I'm not an atheist but I was having a look around and found it interesting, so I joined, as you can see. I probably disagree with the majority of views here but what's life without differences in opinion? I'm not convinced by any of the arguments against there being a god, but there you go. And now, to lurk, and probably join in soon.
Quote from: "Filanthropod"I'm not an atheist but I was having a look around and found it interesting, so I joined, as you can see.
So far, so good!
Quote from: "Filanthropod"I probably disagree with the majority of views here
Which of the following do you disagree with.
The Earth is essentially a spherical body.
The Universe appears to be in the order of 13.5 billion years old.
Evolution driven by natural selection, and without deistic intervention, is the reason we see the variety of life on Earth that we do today.
President Obama is an American.
The gun laws in Texas are perfect as they are.
Beer tastes good.
Cheese is better than Bacon.
Muslims are more moral than Christians.
Car tyres are round when viewed from the side.
2+2 = 4
Richard Dawkins is a good scientist but lacks empathy with the 'common people.'
Quote from: "Filanthropod"but what's life without differences in opinion?
Peaceful, obviously you are not married
Quote from: "Filanthropod"I'm not convinced by any of the arguments against there being a god,
As yet, because you wouldn't want to be considered close minded would you?
Quote from: "Filanthropod"but there you go. And now, to lurk, and probably join in soon.
Please do join in by all means but just join in as you, please leave the evangelist at the door.
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Quote from: "Tank"Cheese is better than Bacon.
Now that all depends on the type of cheese and how you cook the bacon
I'm not an evangelist, Tank. You're not an evangelist yourself, are you?
Quote from: "Filanthropod"I'm not an evangelist, Tank. You're not an evangelist yourself, are you?
Of course I am! Atheism rules
While I wrote those questions rather tongue in cheek I would rather like to know the answers just out of plain old curiosity.
The Earth is essentially a spherical body.
Agreed. It's an ellipsoid.
The Universe appears to be in the order of 13.5 billion years old.
Don't know. I haven't looked at it that closely.
Evolution driven by natural selection, and without deistic intervention, is the reason we see the variety of life on Earth that we do today.
Yes and no. Yes there's evolution, and no it is not without deistic involvement.
President Obama is an American.
Haha, nope.
The gun laws in Texas are perfect as they are.
I don't know the gun laws in Texas.
Beer tastes good.
Yes.
Cheese is better than Bacon.
Depends what you do with it.
Muslims are more moral than Christians.
Per se, no.
Car tyres are round when viewed from the side.
Round enough.
2+2 = 4
For everyday purposes, yes.
Richard Dawkins is a good scientist but lacks empathy with the 'common people.'
I'm sure he's a good scientist. He's friendly enough with common people. A bit patronizing but in a very subtly funny way, although I'm not sure if it's intentional. Doesn't ask the right questions, spends too much time with charlatans, doesn't challenge himself as much as he could.
Quote from: "Filanthropod"The Earth is essentially a spherical body.
Agreed. It's an ellipsoid.
Yep.
Quote from: "Filanthropod"The Universe appears to be in the order of 13.5 billion years old.
Don't know. I haven't looked at it that closely.
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/uni_age.html (http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/uni_age.html)
Quote from: "Filanthropod"Evolution driven by natural selection, and without deistic intervention, is the reason we see the variety of life on Earth that we do today.
Yes and no. Yes there's evolution, and no it is not without deistic involvement.
So your world view is approximately Theistic Evolution?
Quote from: "Filanthropod"President Obama is an American.
Haha, nope.
;)
Quote from: "Filanthropod"Beer tastes good.
Yes.
Quote from: "Filanthropod"Cheese is better than Bacon.
Depends what you do with it.
I meant taste wise, but each to their own.
Quote from: "Filanthropod"Muslims are more moral than Christians.
Per se, no.
This will bear further investigation in it's own thread, interesting!
Quote from: "Filanthropod"Richard Dawkins is a good scientist but lacks empathy with the 'common people.'
I'm sure he's a good scientist. He's friendly enough with common people. A bit patronizing but in a very subtly funny way, although I'm not sure if it's intentional. Doesn't ask the right questions, spends too much time with charlatans, doesn't challenge himself as much as he could.
He should stick to science IMO.
Thanks for the answers. Would you like to ask any in return?
If anything comes to mind, I'll ask. Probably in another thread though.
Welcome! Nice to have another viewpoint to mix into the fray.
Welcome.
Quote from: "Filanthropod"I'm not an atheist but I was having a look around and found it interesting, so I joined, as you can see. I probably disagree with the majority of views here but what's life without differences in opinion? I'm not convinced by any of the arguments against there being a god, but there you go. And now, to lurk, and probably join in soon.
Fil
This was the give away and I was right from the moment I read that. You have a world view and you don't want to change it. You can't afford to change it because it is the foundation of your very psyche. This foundation is that you are not responsible for anything you do or anything you say or any results of your actions as you are Gods toy, his plaything, his puppet. You are just an echo of Gods thoughts.
I expected you to behave in exactly the way you have, you have to come here and try to force people to believe you in ways that you would not accept yourself. So far all we have read is 'I think this... I feel this... You think that... You feel that...' It's all in your head Fil because you want to feel loved by your great sky daddy who will make things better in the end. Get with the programme, there is no Santa Clause to bring you eternal life or some sort of meaning to your existance. You're dead meat, you just haven't died yet, but you will die Fil, that's a given and you'd best get used to the idea that your life is finite and you are mortal, there is no hard evidence to the contrary. You've taken Pascals Wager and swallowed it hook, line and sinker. You're just hanging on by the skin of your teeth to a myth, a fairy story propagated to and by the huddled masses who are scared of peaking out from under their security blanket of superstition.
This is why the ideas you support are dangerous, ultimately the most dangerous, more dangerous than any war, more dangerous than any weapon, more dangerous than any disease. You deny reality. Wars are caused by the our evolutionary past, they are simply tribal battles writ large. If we can not admit our evolved and flawed existance we can't do anything about the reality of the situation we find ourselves in. Denying science is the worst sin of all, not the application, but the process of the scientific method. That process has proved to be the only way of really systematically improving our lot in life. Do you go to the doctor when you are ill or prey? I'd bet you do both as it doesn't hurt to hedge your bets does it Fil?
Does any Holy Book anywhere contain the periodic table of elements? No. What a surprise! Holy books are worthless as descriptions of reality. They exist to codify the mode morals of the time they were written. Some do contain nuggets of wisdom, but only because humanity has grown and learnt by itself through trial and error what morality really means and thus what those nuggets of wisdom are. Gods are an ancient sticky plaster used by our ancestors to cover up the gaps in their understanding. They were created by humanity to explain the wind and rain, night and day and everything else we can perceive but can not explain. It is no surprise that deists seize on the Big Bang and cover it with the sticky plaster of 'God'. God hides in the gaps of humanities understanding and always will, but as long as people like you try to shoe horn God into those gaps our understanding of the universe will be damaged.
I think your ideas, the ones you propound, are truly evil.
You said you liked a difference of opinion, I hope you meant that.
Here's why religion is dangerous --
Intolerance:
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fredemptionjournal.files.wordpress.com%2F2009%2F09%2Ftwin-towers1.jpg&hash=fe0ab51de4ce98df932a853e0300c6c95f0f4ace)
Female circumcision:
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_LjkTcIrZHko%2FSxZcKvPBXiI%2FAAAAAAAAAt0%2FUjw9AXxfAok%2Fs400%2FFemalecircumcision.jpg&hash=2f767b71889c935594676633214dc4b4509e6c6e)
The provision of cover for crimes:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_LjkTcIrZHko/S ... cision.jpg (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_LjkTcIrZHko/SxZcKvPBXiI/AAAAAAAAAt0/Ujw9AXxfAok/s400/Femalecircumcision.jpg)
The needless deaths of many, including children, due to superstitious medical practices:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.h ... 946096D6CF (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9E0CE7DB1231E233A25752C0A9649D946096D6CF)
... and I could go on ...
Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"... and I could go on ...
Oh, please do:
Christian Witch Hunt Revival in Africa (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/dec/09/tracymcveigh.theobserver)
Same thing, different source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4705201.stm)
Who would turn away a child who's seeking sanctuary from Christian nutters who beat and kill them? (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/nigeria/3407882/Child-witches-of-Nigeria-seek-refuge.html)
Another laughable post by Tank. Let's break it down.
I have a world view, and I don't want to change it - Well not really, it's just that you desperately want to convert me to your world view. It frustrates you that you can't convert me.
The foundation of my psyche is that I'm not responsible for anything - Really? In that case, all hail Tank, the omniscient.
You expected me to behave exactly the way I have - Again, all hail Tank, the omniscient.
I have come here to try and force people to believe me... - Actually that's completely incorrect, I haven't tried to force anyone to do anything. Are you so feeble that you actually feel forced? Wow, that's amazing.
...in ways that I wouldn't accept myself - Really? All hail Tank, the omniscient.
I want to feel loved by my great sky daddy... - Well that's because I'm a christian, right? Wrong, try again.
...who will make things better in the end - Really? Well, all hail Tank the omniscient. I had no idea I believed that. Thanks for the heads up.
Get with the programme, there is no [god]... - All hail Tank, the omniscient, the omnipresent. And there you go again, trying so hard to convert me. You're the king of irony, Tank.
...to bring me eternal life - Really? Is that what I believe? All hail Tank, the omniscient.
You're dead meat - Huh? Are you going to beat me up? Ok ok, that one was cheeky, I know what you meant. You were just trying to convert me, I get it.
I'd better get used to the idea that my life is finite, and I'm a mortal... - Right you are, reverend. My, we are particularly preachy today.
...there is no hard evidence to the contrary - What? You went everywhere, had a butchers, and saw nothing? Good work, sherlock. All hail Tank the omnipresent.
All of the above constitutes a reason why the ideas that I support are dangerous - Can you run that by me again? How did you work that one out? Oh, yes of course, I forget. All hail Tank the omniscient.
My ideas are dangerous - I assure you and your fellow nonbelievers that I pose no threat. I promise. The nearest Al-C.I.A.da cell is miles from me and I'll be damned if I'm getting on a bus. Besides, they serve awful cakes at those meetings, trust me. And they never have any bacon sandwiches. Yeah, I know, go figure.
My ideas are more dangerous than any war, weapon, or disease - Haven't you been listening? I just said It's bloody miles away!
I deny reality - Not really, no. I just don't believe you when you say that there's no god, however much you desperately want to convert me.
Denying science is the worst sin of all - Gee, I thought murder was pretty high up on the list, but obviously belief in your doctrine seems more important to you. By the way, you really are starting to sound like a preacher. What other sins should I abstain from, reverend?
The scientific method - All hail the holy scientific method. By the way, does it come with commandments?
Holy books {blah blah blah] - Are you a christian? Why are you talking about holy books now? Gee, one minute you preach from the atheist pulpit, the next you're talking about holy books. I'm sorry but I don't know nearly as much as you do about holy books. Oh I get it. You think I'm a christian, I see. All hail Tank the omniscient.
Some do contain nuggets of wisdom - Well, I'm sure you know more about that than I do, reverend.
As long as people like me try to shoehorn god into the gaps, our understanding of the universe will be damaged - Hold on. Denying science is more serious than murder, understanding of the universe is more important than anything else, and every last individual who believes in god must be eradicated or at least converted. This is of the utmost importance, so that the self righteous self procalimed elite can shine. You sound like a nazi. Alles Heil Tank, the omniscient, omnibenevolent.
You think my ideas are truly evil - The only idea you know so far is that I believe in god. That's singular, not plural. Aaah, yes yes I get it. All hail Tank, the omniscient, who knows all my thoughts.
Everything else - Desperate, frenzied preaching.
I said I like a difference of opinion - After that post, I'm loving it. Maybe you should learn to like differences.
All hail Tank, the omniscient.
Quote from: "Filanthropod"Another laughable post by Tank. Let's break it down.
I have a world view, and I don't want to change it - Well not really, it's just that you desperately want to convert me to your world view. It frustrates you that you can't convert me.
The foundation of my psyche is that I'm not responsible for anything - Really? In that case, all hail Tank, the omniscient.
You expected me to behave exactly the way I have - Again, all hail Tank, the omniscient.
I have come here to try and force people to believe me... - Actually that's completely incorrect, I haven't tried to force anyone to do anything. Are you so feeble that you actually feel forced? Wow, that's amazing.
...in ways that I wouldn't accept myself - Really? All hail Tank, the omniscient.
I want to feel loved by my great sky daddy... - Well that's because I'm a christian, right? Wrong, try again.
...who will make things better in the end - Really? Well, all hail Tank the omniscient. I had no idea I believed that. Thanks for the heads up.
Get with the programme, there is no [god]... - All hail Tank, the omniscient, the omnipresent. And there you go again, trying so hard to convert me. You're the king of irony, Tank.
...to bring me eternal life - Really? Is that what I believe? All hail Tank, the omniscient.
You're dead meat - Huh? Are you going to beat me up? Ok ok, that one was cheeky, I know what you meant. You were just trying to convert me, I get it.
I'd better get used to the idea that my life is finite, and I'm a mortal... - Right you are, reverend. My, we are particularly preachy today.
...there is no hard evidence to the contrary - What? You went everywhere, had a butchers, and saw nothing? Good work, sherlock. All hail Tank the omnipresent.
All of the above constitutes a reason why the ideas that I support are dangerous - Can you run that by me again? How did you work that one out? Oh, yes of course, I forget. All hail Tank the omniscient.
My ideas are dangerous - I assure you and your fellow nonbelievers that I pose no threat. I promise. The nearest Al-C.I.A.da cell is miles from me and I'll be damned if I'm getting on a bus. Besides, they serve awful cakes at those meetings, trust me. And they never have any bacon sandwiches. Yeah, I know, go figure.
My ideas are more dangerous than any war, weapon, or disease - Haven't you been listening? I just said It's bloody miles away!
I deny reality - Not really, no. I just don't believe you when you say that there's no god, however much you desperately want to convert me.
Denying science is the worst sin of all - Gee, I thought murder was pretty high up on the list, but obviously belief in your doctrine seems more important to you. By the way, you really are starting to sound like a preacher. What other sins should I abstain from, reverend?
The scientific method - All hail the holy scientific method. By the way, does it come with commandments?
Holy books {blah blah blah] - Are you a christian? Why are you talking about holy books now? Gee, one minute you preach from the atheist pulpit, the next you're talking about holy books. I'm sorry but I don't know nearly as much as you do about holy books. Oh I get it. You think I'm a christian, I see. All hail Tank the omniscient.
Some do contain nuggets of wisdom - Well, I'm sure you know more about that than I do, reverend.
As long as people like me try to shoehorn god into the gaps, our understanding of the universe will be damaged - Hold on. Denying science is more serious than murder, understanding of the universe is more important than anything else, and every last individual who believes in god must be eradicated or at least converted. This is of the utmost importance, so that the self righteous self procalimed elite can shine. You sound like a nazi. Alles Heil Tank, the omniscient, omnibenevolent.
You think my ideas are truly evil - The only idea you know so far is that I believe in god. That's singular, not plural. Aaah, yes yes I get it. All hail Tank, the omniscient, who knows all my thoughts.
Everything else - Desperate, frenzied preaching.
I said I like a difference of opinion - After that post, I'm loving it. Maybe you should learn to like differences.
All hail Tank, the omniscient.
tl;dr
Quote from: "Filanthropod"Another laughable post by Tank. Let's break it down.
I have a world view, and I don't want to change it - Well not really, it's just that you desperately want to convert me to your world view. It frustrates you that you can't convert me.
The foundation of my psyche is that I'm not responsible for anything - Really? In that case, all hail Tank, the omniscient.
You expected me to behave exactly the way I have - Again, all hail Tank, the omniscient.
I have come here to try and force people to believe me... - Actually that's completely incorrect, I haven't tried to force anyone to do anything. Are you so feeble that you actually feel forced? Wow, that's amazing.
...in ways that I wouldn't accept myself - Really? All hail Tank, the omniscient.
I want to feel loved by my great sky daddy... - Well that's because I'm a christian, right? Wrong, try again.
...who will make things better in the end - Really? Well, all hail Tank the omniscient. I had no idea I believed that. Thanks for the heads up.
Get with the programme, there is no [god]... - All hail Tank, the omniscient, the omnipresent. And there you go again, trying so hard to convert me. You're the king of irony, Tank.
...to bring me eternal life - Really? Is that what I believe? All hail Tank, the omniscient.
You're dead meat - Huh? Are you going to beat me up? Ok ok, that one was cheeky, I know what you meant. You were just trying to convert me, I get it.
I'd better get used to the idea that my life is finite, and I'm a mortal... - Right you are, reverend. My, we are particularly preachy today.
...there is no hard evidence to the contrary - What? You went everywhere, had a butchers, and saw nothing? Good work, sherlock. All hail Tank the omnipresent.
All of the above constitutes a reason why the ideas that I support are dangerous - Can you run that by me again? How did you work that one out? Oh, yes of course, I forget. All hail Tank the omniscient.
My ideas are dangerous - I assure you and your fellow nonbelievers that I pose no threat. I promise. The nearest Al-C.I.A.da cell is miles from me and I'll be damned if I'm getting on a bus. Besides, they serve awful cakes at those meetings, trust me. And they never have any bacon sandwiches. Yeah, I know, go figure.
My ideas are more dangerous than any war, weapon, or disease - Haven't you been listening? I just said It's bloody miles away!
I deny reality - Not really, no. I just don't believe you when you say that there's no god, however much you desperately want to convert me.
Denying science is the worst sin of all - Gee, I thought murder was pretty high up on the list, but obviously belief in your doctrine seems more important to you. By the way, you really are starting to sound like a preacher. What other sins should I abstain from, reverend?
The scientific method - All hail the holy scientific method. By the way, does it come with commandments?
Holy books {blah blah blah] - Are you a christian? Why are you talking about holy books now? Gee, one minute you preach from the atheist pulpit, the next you're talking about holy books. I'm sorry but I don't know nearly as much as you do about holy books. Oh I get it. You think I'm a christian, I see. All hail Tank the omniscient.
Some do contain nuggets of wisdom - Well, I'm sure you know more about that than I do, reverend.
As long as people like me try to shoehorn god into the gaps, our understanding of the universe will be damaged - Hold on. Denying science is more serious than murder, understanding of the universe is more important than anything else, and every last individual who believes in god must be eradicated or at least converted. This is of the utmost importance, so that the self righteous self procalimed elite can shine. You sound like a nazi. Alles Heil Tank, the omniscient, omnibenevolent.
You think my ideas are truly evil - The only idea you know so far is that I believe in god. That's singular, not plural. Aaah, yes yes I get it. All hail Tank, the omniscient, who knows all my thoughts.
Everything else - Desperate, frenzied preaching.
I said I like a difference of opinion - After that post, I'm loving it. Maybe you should learn to like differences.
All hail Tank, the omniscient.
lol
Quote from: "Filanthropod"The foundation of my psyche is that I'm not responsible for anything - Really? In that case, all hail Tank, the omniscient.
You expected me to behave exactly the way I have - Again, all hail Tank, the omniscient.
Quote from: "Filanthropod"...in ways that I wouldn't accept myself - Really? All hail Tank, the omniscient.
Quote from: "Filanthropod"...who will make things better in the end - Really? Well, all hail Tank the omniscient. I had no idea I believed that. Thanks for the heads up.
Quote from: "Filanthropod"...to bring me eternal life - Really? Is that what I believe? All hail Tank, the omniscient.
Quote from: "Filanthropod"All of the above constitutes a reason why the ideas that I support are dangerous - Can you run that by me again? How did you work that one out? Oh, yes of course, I forget. All hail Tank the omniscient.
Quote from: "Filanthropod"Oh I get it. You think I'm a christian, I see. All hail Tank the omniscient.
"all hail Tank, the omniscient." is not an argument. It's an ad hominem attack. Other fallacies in your petty response include...
Quote from: "Filanthropod"Another laughable post by Tank. Let's break it down.
"laughable" your just undermining the argument with a Fallacy of weak induction
Quote from: "Filanthropod"I have a world view, and I don't want to change it - Well not really, it's just that you desperately want to convert me to your world view. It frustrates you that you can't convert me.
Quote from: "Filanthropod"Get with the programme, there is no [god]... - All hail Tank, the omniscient, the omnipresent. And there you go again, trying so hard to convert me. You're the king of irony, Tank.
tu quoque: Avoiding making an argument for your behavior by saying "You too!". Circumstantial ad hominem.
Quote from: "Filanthropod"I have come here to try and force people to believe me... - Actually that's completely incorrect, I haven't tried to force anyone to do anything. Are you so feeble that you actually feel forced? Wow, that's amazing.
Conclusion doesn't not follow from any premise: That's not even an argument. Another ad hominem at the end!
Quote from: "Filanthropod"I want to feel loved by my great sky daddy... - Well that's because I'm a christian, right? Wrong, try again.
False Dichotomy? Not quite. Try again! It's still not even an argument!
Quote from: "Filanthropod"You're dead meat - Huh? Are you going to beat me up? Ok ok, that one was cheeky, I know what you meant. You were just trying to convert me, I get it.
Red Herring.
Quote from: "Filanthropod"I'd better get used to the idea that my life is finite, and I'm a mortal... - Right you are, reverend. My, we are particularly preachy today.
Circumstantial ad hominem! Tu Quoque! Stop pawning your own illogical-ness off on Tank!
Quote from: "Filanthropod"...there is no hard evidence to the contrary - What? You went everywhere, had a butchers, and saw nothing? Good work, sherlock. All hail Tank the omnipresent.
Mustn't forget Occam's Razor. This is a complex Question, instead of making an argument you present a question for which any answer simply supports your claim. In this instance, the "argument" the question is meant to support is actually just another ad hominem! I will say one thing, he should have changed his statement to "there is no hard evidence to the contrary THAT WE KNOW OF."
Quote from: "Filanthropod"My ideas are dangerous - I assure you and your fellow nonbelievers that I pose no threat. I promise. The nearest Al-C.I.A.da cell is miles from me and I'll be damned if I'm getting on a bus. Besides, they serve awful cakes at those meetings, trust me. And they never have any bacon sandwiches. Yeah, I know, go figure.
Petitio Principii. You create the illusion that inadequate premises support your conclusion. This looks like Either a Straw Man, or a Hasty Generalization. But really, it's just unintelligible. Being unintelligible doesn't count as a fallacy. It's just a bad argument
Quote from: "Filanthropod"My ideas are more dangerous than any war, weapon, or disease - Haven't you been listening? I just said It's bloody miles away!
Non Sequitur?
Quote from: "Filanthropod"I deny reality - Not really, no. I just don't believe you when you say that there's no god, however much you desperately want to convert me.
Tu Quoque.
Quote from: "Filanthropod"Denying science is the worst sin of all - Gee, I thought murder was pretty high up on the list, but obviously belief in your doctrine seems more important to you. By the way, you really are starting to sound like a preacher. What other sins should I abstain from, reverend?
While I aggree with you on this specific point (Murder is worse than denying science)This is a Fallacy of Weak Induction: Appeal to Unqualified Authority. In this case you are using sarcasm to discredit your opponent to make it appear that HE is the one who has employed this fallacy. In this respect, you have also created a Straw Man!
Quote from: "Filanthropod"The scientific method - All hail the holy scientific method. By the way, does it come with commandments?
First, these are the Commandments of the scientific method, as opposed to the logical chain of religious mythology.
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Secondly, this is another Tu Quoque.
Quote from: "Filanthropod"Holy books {blah blah blah] - Are you a christian? Why are you talking about holy books now? Gee, one minute you preach from the atheist pulpit, the next you're talking about holy books. I'm sorry but I don't know nearly as much as you do about holy books. Oh I get it. You think I'm a christian, I see. All hail Tank the omniscient.
There are types of God- Belief I respect, and types I don't. If you don't hide your spirituality behind religious mythology and superstition, and, as you imply, are not a Christian, and don't care about holy books, I may be able to respect that.
That being said, this is an Appeal to Ignorance (Another fallacy of weak induction.) "I see. All hail Tank the omniscient." = Circumstantial Ad Hominem.
Quote from: "Filanthropod"Some do contain nuggets of wisdom - Well, I'm sure you know more about that than I do, reverend.
Appeal to Unqualified Authority. In this case you are using sarcasm to discredit your opponent to make it appear that HE is the one who has employed this fallacy. In this respect, you have also created a Straw Man!
Quote from: "Filanthropod"As long as people like me try to shoehorn god into the gaps, our understanding of the universe will be damaged - Hold on. Denying science is more serious than murder, understanding of the universe is more important than anything else, and every last individual who believes in god must be eradicated or at least converted. This is of the utmost importance, so that the self righteous self procalimed elite can shine. You sound like a nazi. Alles Heil Tank, the omniscient, omnibenevolent.
SO MANY FALLACIES, THIS MADE MY DAY!
Missing the Point. Suppressed Evidence. False Cause. Slippery Slope. Weak Analogy. Begging the Question. Straw Man. Appeal to unqualified Authority. And a disgusting AD HOMINEM!
Quote from: "Filanthropod"You think my ideas are truly evil - The only idea you know so far is that I believe in god. That's singular, not plural. Aaah, yes yes I get it. All hail Tank, the omniscient, who knows all my thoughts.
Ad Hominem.
Quote from: "Filanthropod"Everything else - Desperate, frenzied preaching.
Ad Hominem. Suppressed Evidence.
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I'm majoring in philosophy at my local Community College. This was an excellent way for me to study for my
Logic and Critical Thinking Midterm. So many fallacies, it's always good to practice recognizing them.
@ KebertX
Glad to have been of assistance in your mid-term lol
I think I'll start a thread to discuss the 'Murder is worse than science denial' comment and expand my thoughts on that. I'll be interested to have my thoughts criticised. Thread here viewtopic.php?p=72321#p72321 (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=72321#p72321)