Happy Atheist Forum

What is your most watched/favourite news channel?

Currently, I am switching between BBC News and Al Jazeera English - though I am starting to feel the BBC has become a touch bland recently.

I always get a good laugh from Fox News.

BBC ad Channel 4 in the UK

I'm not a big Youtuber.  I like QualiaSoup http://www.youtube.com/user/QualiaSoup.  His voice is calming.  

Well, this one's a program and not a channel but: Democracy Now. It's the most unbiased source I can find. The reporter just reads the facts, they play a little audio or video clip from the event and they move on. Plus she only talks about important events that a lot of stations miss because they're too busy talking about Tiger's wood.  

For some reason I read the OP as asking for people's favorite Youtube channel, not news channel.  Now I feel silly!  Hahaha.  

Quote from: "Dretlin"What is your most watched/favourite news channel?

Currently, I am switching between BBC News and Al Jazeera English - though I am starting to feel the BBC has become a touch bland recently.

I can tell you from personal expirience Al Jazeera is an increadably biased news source who will out right change or docter facts, when they bother to find them in the first place, to suit the way the want the world to be instead of how it is. From that same expirience I can say that CNN just re-reports a very wrong Aljazera stories as thier own again with out fact checking.

Journalism is dead.  

Well, we only have one news channel in Norway, and we don't have it in my house.
I do watch news on other channels, though. Them being NRK1 and TV2.

Quote from: "JillSwift"Journalism is dead.  

That's a rather sweeping statement. Journalism has a history of personal exploitation by people with agenda's. For example Charles Dickens produced his own pamphlet Household Words (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_Words). It supported his world view, why wouldn't it? For Journalism to have 'died' it would have had to have been 'alive' or in some state different from that which it is now, and was somehow better than it is now. I'm not sure that is the case. Would it be reasonable to say that in general one's opinion of the state of Journalism is proportional to how closely the general trends in Journalism match ones own opinions?

Quote from: "Tank"

Quote from: "JillSwift"Journalism is dead.  

That's a rather sweeping statement. Journalism has a history of personal exploitation by people with agenda's. For example Charles Dickens produced his own pamphlet Household Words (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_Words). It supported his world view, why wouldn't it? For Journalism to have 'died' it would have had to have been 'alive' or in some state different from that which it is now, and was somehow better than it is now. I'm not sure that is the case. Would it be reasonable to say that in general one's opinion of the state of Journalism is proportional to how closely the general trends in Journalism match ones own opinions?

No.

I derive my opinion from how often mainstream news sources repeat unchecked stories, or generate stories from unchecked facts. I would expect bias-per-organization, and for those biases to differ significantly from organization to organization. Sadly, there are fewer and fewer organizations, they just get larger and have more "arms". Ad revenue has gained too high an influence over what gets page A1, generating a sensationalist attitude in the newsroom that was generally absent a couple of decades ago.

Just my opinion as someone who ran the IT systems at a newspaper for 15 years. YMMV, take with a grain of salt, etc.

Quote from: "Tanker"

Quote from: "Dretlin"What is your most watched/favourite news channel?

Currently, I am switching between BBC News and Al Jazeera English - though I am starting to feel the BBC has become a touch bland recently.

I can tell you from personal expirience Al Jazeera is an increadably biased news source who will out right change or docter facts, when they bother to find them in the first place, to suit the way the want the world to be instead of how it is. From that same expirience I can say that CNN just re-reports a very wrong Aljazera stories as thier own again with out fact checking.

I have noticed a, frankly frightening, difference between Al Jazeera English and the main broadcaster Al Jazeera. I do not take any news broadcaster at face value.

I did however find Al Jazeera English to have a perspective that I had not considered, aslong as its taken, with a pinch of salt. As clearly, for all to see, it leans toward than Arabic bias.

I do however like CNN as well.

I find The Onion to be a reputable news outlet. Their stories are always poignant, timely and boast a considerable level of journalistic integrity. You never get those outlandish and obviously biased stories like you get on something like, I dunno, the BBC.  

Quote from: "JillSwift"

Quote from: "Tank"

Quote from: "JillSwift"Journalism is dead.  

That's a rather sweeping statement. Journalism has a history of personal exploitation by people with agenda's. For example Charles Dickens produced his own pamphlet Household Words (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_Words). It supported his world view, why wouldn't it? For Journalism to have 'died' it would have had to have been 'alive' or in some state different from that which it is now, and was somehow better than it is now. I'm not sure that is the case. Would it be reasonable to say that in general one's opinion of the state of Journalism is proportional to how closely the general trends in Journalism match ones own opinions?

No.

I derive my opinion from how often mainstream news sources repeat unchecked stories, or generate stories from unchecked facts. I would expect bias-per-organization, and for those biases to differ significantly from organization to organization. Sadly, there are fewer and fewer organizations, they just get larger and have more "arms". Ad revenue has gained too high an influence over what gets page A1, generating a sensationalist attitude in the newsroom that was generally absent a couple of decades ago.

Just my opinion as someone who ran the IT systems at a newspaper for 15 years. YMMV, take with a grain of salt, etc.

Was there a time in your opinion as an insider that Journalism was 'adequate'? I'll not suggest perfect because I doubt it ever could have been given the nature of the beast (institutionalised gossip). I agree with the sensationalism though I have witnessed that get worse and worse in my lifetime. So it's the functionality of the processes surrounding news production that is killing Journalism?

Quote from: "Dretlin"

Quote from: "Tanker"

Quote from: "Dretlin"What is your most watched/favourite news channel?

Currently, I am switching between BBC News and Al Jazeera English - though I am starting to feel the BBC has become a touch bland recently.

I can tell you from personal expirience Al Jazeera is an increadably biased news source who will out right change or docter facts, when they bother to find them in the first place, to suit the way the want the world to be instead of how it is. From that same expirience I can say that CNN just re-reports a very wrong Aljazera stories as thier own again with out fact checking.

I have noticed a, frankly frightening, difference between Al Jazeera English and the main broadcaster Al Jazeera. I do not take any news broadcaster at face value.

I did however find Al Jazeera English to have a perspective that I had not considered, aslong as its taken, with a pinch of salt. As clearly, for all to see, it leans toward than Arabic bias.

I do however like CNN as well.

Well I'm saying I know for a fact Al jazera reports outright lies as fact and then CNN just re-reported those same lies nearly word for word as thier own. What I should have said instead of biased was they lie instead of report facts when they don't match the party line. Not exagerate, not fib, not generalise, not edit, LIE.

Quote from: "Tanker"Well I'm saying I know for a fact Al jazera reports outright lies as fact and then CNN just re-reported those same lies nearly word for word as thier own. What I should have said instead of biased was they lie instead of report facts when they don't match the party line. Not exagerate, not fib, not generalise, not edit, LIE.

As I said in my post, which you quoted, I make a clear distinction between Al Jazeera and Al Jazeera English. Al Jazeera English is not Al Jazeera with sub titles or dubed, it is a separate body. I could not care less about defending either as only the truth matters. Which I said, in an even earlier post, lays in the place in the middle.

Quote from: "Tank"Was there a time in your opinion as an insider that Journalism was 'adequate'? I'll not suggest perfect because I doubt it ever could have been given the nature of the beast (institutionalised gossip). I agree with the sensationalism though I have witnessed that get worse and worse in my lifetime. So it's the functionality of the processes surrounding news production that is killing Journalism?

No single source could be adequate, but having multiple sources each with their own bias allowed for some mitigation of those biases. As they've become large conglomerates, it's now near impossible to play one source against another. The process itself hasn't changed much, save for the sensationalization (is that a word?), it's just we're missing a key method of correcting for bias.

Quote from: "JillSwift"No single source could be adequate, but having multiple sources each with their own bias allowed for some mitigation of those biases. As they've become large conglomerates, it's now near impossible to play one source against another. The process itself hasn't changed much, save for the sensationalization (is that a word?), it's just we're missing a key method of correcting for bias.

No real independence anymore and corporate money mitigating against radical differences in presentation and outlook. In the UK we may be a little better off as there are laws that prevent one company owning too many media outlets. But the sensationalism in the tabloid press does get worse and worse. I've been a photographer (as a hobby) since '77 and the attitude to a person carrying a camera has changed out of all recognition. 30 years ago I wouldn't have thought twice about photographing kids playing in the street, today I'd probably get reported to the police. That is one area where digital photography has not been a good thing as there is no developing process and the images can be transferred, or simply posted and anybody can see them, but that's a whole new thread.

Surprised no one mentioned MSNBC. I tend to alternate between MSNBC, CNN, BBC on occasion when it's on and of course I peruse the internet for my news.

For news, I go for Al Jazeera ENG, BBC and local NRK. If it's something comtroversial or something that is likely to be distorted depending on the observer, then I go for shotgun approach to news channels.

Quote from: "Dretlin"What is your most watched/favourite news channel?

Currently, I am switching between BBC News and Al Jazeera English - though I am starting to feel the BBC has become a touch bland recently.

Holy shit I read from both of them myself! The only thing they seem to fuck up on is about guns but that is every news outlet. I should bill myself out as a consultant or some shit.

None of them, they are all full of shit on a regular basis, and full of subliminal programming. Especially when it concerns war, or major world events..