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*GASP*
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/sarah-palin-its-quite-clear-that-we-would-create-law-based-on-the-god-of-the-bible/

I know, hard to believe.

But I think she's right, and I think we should tell her to start with 1 Timothy 2:12 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+2:12&version=NIV).

1 Corinthians 14:34 has a higher priority imho.

Unrelated: Eww.

Apparently she's never heard of the separation of church and state.

I wish she'd drift away on a glacier or some shit.  That'll teach her about global warming.

I don't know any other woman in politics, who is more stupid than Sara Palin.

Quote from: "Tom62"I don't know any other [strike:2az9ayla]woman[/strike:2az9ayla] person in politics, who is more stupid than Sara Palin.

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Quote from: "Tom62"I don't know any other [strike:1v0nwk9x]woman[/strike:1v0nwk9x] person in politics, who is more stupid than Sara Palin.

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Thanks!

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Quote from: "Tom62"I don't know any other [strike:1k0soay1]woman[/strike:1k0soay1] person in politics, who is more stupid than Sara Palin.

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Thanks!

You're welcome. As far as dumb goes Palin really is the best definition you can get, except of course for the people who vote for her as they must be dumber still!

Quote from: "Tom62"I don't know any other woman in politics, who is more stupid than Sara Palin.

Nancy Pelosi.

By the way, I'll bet money that most U.S. politicians would say the same thing, including moderate Democrats. Remember Jimmy Carter?

Let's not get too biased in our anti-zealot zeal.  

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Quote from: "Tom62"I don't know any other woman in politics, who is more stupid than Sara Palin.

Nancy Pelosi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Pelosi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Pelosi) I had a read of the wiki, she doesn't appear too bad, am I missing something?

The aims of political leaders is to arouse public opinion and the means of doing so is not as significant as the results it obtains. It places their name on the voter as it causes more curiosity and the needs to know more about the politician in question. :devil:

Quote from: "hvargas"The aims of political leaders is to arouse public opinion and the means of doing so is not as significant as the results it obtains. It places their name on the voter as it causes more curiosity and the needs to know more about the politician in question. :devil:

Popularity politics at it's worst.

I don't know what is meant by 'remember Jimmy Carter?' because I'm too young, but I do know that if anyone is honestly trying to argue that Pelosi is more stupid than Sara-I can see Russia from my house, write notes on my hand cuz' Jesus did it, Africa is a country, they asked me 'gotcha' questions, The founding fathers meant the USA to be  Christian nation-Palin, I missed something huge that happened with Pelosi.

Quote from: "pinkocommie"I don't know what is meant by 'remember Jimmy Carter?' because I'm too young, but I do know that if anyone is honestly trying to argue that Pelosi is more stupid than Sara-I can see Russia from my house, write notes on my hand cuz' Jesus did it, Africa is a country, they asked me 'gotcha' questions, The founding fathers meant the USA to be  Christian nation-Palin, I missed something huge that happened with Pelosi.

There's plenty of stupid in lots of politicians. The point is that most of them say really stupid things, but we tend to focus on disliking politicians as it suits our personal beliefs and biases. I think Pelosi is dumber than rocks. I think Hillary Clinton is a vile human being. I think Palin is too. But I try not to let my political affiliations (or lack thereof) color my like or dislike of these politicos. I try to judge them based on their actions overall.

Sorry you don't remember Jimmy Carter. He is a piece of work. And there was no bigger god-lovin'-guy in the Executive Office than him in the past 50 years, George Bushes included. But back then, and because he is a Democrat, it was "okay" to be christian and political. Not so much, now.

But without getting too much off track (because my likes or dislikes aren't the point of the thread), I agree that it's outrageous and foolish to base American law on the god of the bible. Or any law.

I have a general rule:  Theocracy is bad.

Quote from: "Heretical Rants"I have a general rule:  Theocracy is bad.

M'Kay.

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Quote from: "Heretical Rants"吾 have a 総 則:  Theocracy is æ,ª.

M'Kay.

Mmhmm.

This is what my brain does when I listen to Sarah Palin:

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I know this is pretty well circulated, but I couldn't help but think of this supposed letter to a radio personality: http://www.humanistsofutah.org/2002/WhyCantIOwnACanadian_10-02.html

Quote from: "philosoraptor"I know this is pretty well circulated, but I couldn't help but think of this supposed letter to a radio personality: http://www.humanistsofutah.org/2002/WhyCantIOwnACanadian_10-02.html

Wait.

Shit.


The hell am I supposed to do with my Canadians?

My pressing issue is that I live in an apartment building, so there's really no good place to burn or stone my neighbors for their sins, other than the middle of the street.

Quote from: "philosoraptor"My pressing issue is that I live in an apartment building, so there's really no good place to burn or stone my neighbors for their sins, other than the middle of the street.

Surly that is the best place to stone them so everybody can see they are being punished?

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Quote from: "philosoraptor"My pressing issue is that I live in an apartment building, so there's really no good place to burn or stone my neighbors for their sins, other than the middle of the street.

Surly that is the best place to stone them so everybody can see they are being punished?

You're probably right.  Best to make an example for all the other heathens and sinners.  

[youtube:1w0tsmv4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j9h0ZKehxI[/youtube:1w0tsmv4]

Quote from: "curiosityandthecat"This is what my brain does when I listen to Sarah Palin:

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I really really really want to know what the hell that is.

Well at least under these rules, I won't have to go through the whole trial thing for rape, just pay the father 120 shekels and I own the woman.  

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Quote from: "curiosityandthecat"This is what my brain does when I listen to Sarah Palin:

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I really really really want to know what the hell that is.

By the look of it some sort of implosion test! Rather spectacular!

[youtube:35zgr9lr]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz95_VvTxZM[/youtube:35zgr9lr]

Here you go!

So does this mean Sarah Palin would have her daughter stoned to death for being an adulteress?

Quote from: "philosoraptor"My pressing issue is that I live in an apartment building, so there's really no good place to burn or stone my neighbors for their sins, other than the middle of the street.

No, the real problem is pavement.  For a traditional stoning the person is buried up to her neck, leaving only the head exposed for throwing rocks at.  At least that's what they do to child rape victims in the Middle East.

Quote from: "Kylyssa"So does this mean Sarah Palin would have her daughter stoned to death for being an adulteress?

Well she would have to kill her daughter if she gets married as a non-virgin.

It's obvious that Palin owns a cherry picker.

Quote from: "JillSwift"It's obvious that Palin owns a cherry picker.

For some reason this put a picture in my mind of a Dr. Seuss like machine that was designed specifically for picking cherries of any kind.

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Quote from: "JillSwift"It's obvious that Palin owns a cherry picker.

For some reason this put a picture in my mind of a Dr. Seuss like machine that was designed specifically for picking cherries of any kind.

I suspect that if metaphor were made real, that's precisely what it'd look like.  

I have a far dirtier mind because something rather more pornographic occurred to me.

Quote from: "Kylyssa"I have a far dirtier mind because something rather more pornographic occurred to me.

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Quote from: "Kylyssa"I have a far dirtier mind because something rather more pornographic occurred to me.

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At HAF we know that atheists are often happy ethical people just like anyone else.

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Quote from: "Kylyssa"I have a far dirtier mind because something rather more pornographic occurred to me.

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I loved that episode of Extras (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extras)!  Daniel Radcliffe rocked that part.

Quote from: "Tom62"I don't know any other woman in politics, who is more stupid than Sara Palin.

MicHELLe Bachmann from Minnesota is right up there. Totally batshit, both of them.

She is a very attractive woman for her age and I find myself drawn to her. Though I think Tina Fey is even more attractive. Seriously though I wonder if she has ever actually read The Bible? And why not The Koran instead - that too is the word of God - but unlike it's predecessor it has been retained in it's original format as was dictated to Mohammad by the angel Gabriel. So that would be a much more reliable authority. But she prefers the other. O.K. We all know that it is so full of contradictions that it would be impossible to have United States law based on it, unless one engaged in a massive programme of cherry-picking and that would be self-defeating. Do her fellow Americans really want to be living in a society where children, grandchildren and great grandchildren are to be punished for the wrongdoing of their ancestors as God himself references in Exodus. The same God who also claims to be slow to anger? I know I wouldn't but there again as we all know that God doesn't actually exist - which is why Sarah should be basing the foundation of the law on something a tad more convincing. Still she is rather beautiful - I think it must be the glasses . . .

Quote from: "zerofivetwoseven"Still she is rather beautiful - I think it must be the glasses . . .

It may be time to reconsider that celibacy thing before the vacuum cleaner starts looking provocative.  

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Quote from: "zerofivetwoseven"Still she is rather beautiful - I think it must be the glasses . . .

It may be time to reconsider that celibacy thing before the vacuum cleaner starts looking provocative.  

Far from it - natural beauty is not compromised by intellectual inability no more than academic brilliance is by physical imperfection - look at Einstein.

Not that it isn't possible to have both - but I like Sarah without having to agree with a single word that emanates from those beautiful Alaskan lips . . .

Quote from: "zerofivetwoseven"those beautiful Alaskan lips . . .

You're just getting weird now aren't you?

Palin's not stupid.  She's just courting.

And I would prefer her over Barack Obama, by far.

Quote from: "jduster"Palin's not stupid.

There is some strong evidence out there that would refudiate this statement I think.  

Quote from: "JillSwift"It's obvious that Palin owns a cherry picker.

Well, it appears that kid Levi stole the keys.

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Quote from: "jduster"Palin's not stupid.

There is some strong evidence out there that would refudiate this statement I think.  

I'll correct myself and say:

Palin's not THAT stupid.  She's just courting.

And still, I would prefer her over Obama, by far.

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Quote from: "jduster"Palin's not stupid.

There is some strong evidence out there that would refudiate this statement I think.  

I'll correct myself and say:

Palin's not THAT stupid.  She's just courting.

And still, I would prefer her over Obama, by far.

You can't possibly mean that.  Does the red blue thing really go that deep?  She's an idiot.

Quote from: "jduster"Palin's not stupid.  She's just courting.

And I would prefer her over Barack Obama, by far.

Seriously?  Your worldview space says atheist.  I can understand you being a Republican but there are Republican politicians out there who wouldn't try to force you to straight up follow the Bible.  You are seriously for censorship in libraries, abstinence only education, religious reprogramming for homosexuals, and wait - laws based on the biblical God?

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Quote from: "jduster"Palin's not stupid.  She's just courting.

And I would prefer her over Barack Obama, by far.

Seriously?  Your worldview space says atheist.  I can understand you being a Republican but there are Republican politicians out there who wouldn't try to force you to straight up follow the Bible.  You are seriously for censorship in libraries, abstinence only education, religious reprogramming for homosexuals, and wait - laws based on the biblical God?

Yeah, I feel like this is more of an 'anybody but a democrat' statement than a statement about Palin being a respectable political figure.  You know who I like who is a republican?  McCain's daughter.  I've heard her speak and I disagree with her on some key issues, but she seems at least intelligent, rational and realistic.  I don't know if she's planning on going into politics professionally, but I see her as an example of someone who I don't necessarily agree with, but I can at least respect.

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Quote from: "jduster"Palin's not stupid.  She's just courting.

And I would prefer her over Barack Obama, by far.

Seriously?  Your worldview space says atheist.  I can understand you being a Republican but there are Republican politicians out there who wouldn't try to force you to straight up follow the Bible.  You are seriously for censorship in libraries, abstinence only education, religious reprogramming for homosexuals, and wait - laws based on the biblical God?

I don't support any of those religion laws you mentioned, but I feel Palin would be the lesser of the two evils.

Quote from: "jduster"I don't support any of those religion laws you mentioned, but I feel Palin would be the lesser of the two evils.

I gotta ask. Why?

Quote from: "jduster"I don't support any of those religion laws you mentioned, but I feel Palin would be the lesser of the two evils.

When I first saw Palin she seemed like a pretty successful politician who knew what she was doing. The more I see of her the dumber I think she is and the more repulsed I am by her stupidity. She wants to be president but can't even come out in support of the First Amendment for the Park-51 community Center. Even the conservative Christopher Hitchens ended up saying "Vote Obama" (http://www.slate.com/id/2202163) because "Palin is simply a disgrace."

Quote from: "jduster"Palin's not stupid.  She's just courting.

Who is she "courting?"  The American people?  What about the people of her home state, that apparently she "jilted" in favor of pursuing a more attractive "mate?"  Even if she weren't such an ignorant termagant, this alone would make me wary of her.  When one runs for and wins a public office such as governor of a state, one is making a commitment to serve the people of that state to the best of one's ability for the full term of office.  Doing so demonstrates integrity and respect for the people who elected you, and for the office which you've sworn to honor.  When she blithely ducked out of her commitment to the state of Alaska to embrace punditry and practice her skills as a demagogue, she proved herself to be a meretricious opportunist. What about the topic of the OP; her willingness to discard the establishment clause?  A person who's serious about following such a policy can truly be described as "un-American."  I think that the Republican party can do much better than Sarah Palin.  If not, then they will assure that President Obama gets a second term. Something to which I would not object strenuously, despite the fact that I did not support him, and am not particularly fond of some of his policies. (Mainly his willingness to continue the despicable trimming of civil liberties instituted by his predecessor.) I find his air of professorial gravitas annoying at times, but it's preferable to the antics of  many other politicians.

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Quote from: "jduster"I don't support any of those religion laws you mentioned, but I feel Palin would be the lesser of the two evils.

When I first saw Palin she seemed like a pretty successful politician who knew what she was doing. The more I see of her the dumber I think she is and the more repulsed I am by her stupidity. She wants to be president but can't even come out in support of the First Amendment for the Park-51 community Center. Even the conservative Christopher Hitchens ended up saying "Vote Obama" (http://www.slate.com/id/2202163) because "Palin is simply a disgrace."

He wasn't alone.  This atheist, registered Libertarian, voted Obama in part to avoid voting a ticket with her on it.

Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"He wasn't alone.  This atheist, registered Libertarian, voted Obama in part to avoid voting a ticket with her on it.

Same for me. I would have voted for McCain, if 1. he had chosen a better running mate and 2. if I were an American.

Clearly, there are distinct differences between Obama and McCain, and McCain making a poor choice of a running mate shouldn't tip the balance.  Either you favor the government supplanting our health care system or you do not.  I personally do not.

Libertarians for Obama.  Interesting.  Isn't he the polar opposite of what they stand for.

It's unfortunate that the GOP doesn't have any great candidates.  It's unfortunate, I have to say, that no politican alive today can save us from our problems.  We just have to settle for the lesser of the two evils.

I wouldn't call it supplanting by any means but - wait a minute - didn't the Republicans originally support some form of Health Care makeover before Obama came into the picture?

Quote from: "jduster"Clearly, there are distinct differences between Obama and McCain, and McCain making a poor choice of a running mate shouldn't tip the balance.

If MCain were twenty years younger, even ten years younger it wouldn't have made such a difference but he's not.  Like it or not, McCain is past the age which average American males die at.  Don't get me wrong, he could live to a hundred but with a history of cancer and at an age by which most Americans have already died, there was a very real danger that Palin would become president.  Once the added stresses of being president were added to McCain's age and health factors there would have been an even greater chance of his death.  It's simply reality that men in their seventies drop dead all the time. Republicans wanted McCain but Sarah Palin scared the crap out of them.  There was just too much risk of McCain dying and someone with a completely different set of skills and morals from McCain's taking over.    

I'm not into Republicans as I'm anti-war, pro science-based sex education, pro science, and against having health care controlled by for-profit insurance companies who can decide against you on a whim, no matter how much you and your small business owner employer have paid in.  But as far as Republicans go McCain is not all that bad on those issues.  If he'd chosen a running mate more like himself, I think he'd be president right now.  

You say you aren't for those religious laws but Sarah Palin has outright said she wanted them.  So why would you be for her?  You can't have her without her values, it's an all or nothing package.  She supports "praying out the gay", abstinence only "education", censorship of library books, the removal of animals from endangered species lists so they can be hunted to extinction or so their habitats can be destroyed with impunity.  You may want lower taxes if you are in the highest tax bracket and you may prefer to pay more for substandard health care to insure that no one who isn't deserving gets medical care but you don't need to embrace a religious fanatic to get those things.

Quote from: "jduster"Either you favor the government supplanting our health care system or you do not.  I personally do not.

Why is it important to you to pay more for substandard health care?  Is it that you'd rather get poorer health care and spend more money on it than have a single person you don't feel deserves health care getting it?

Are you aware that people in countries with socialized school systems have more college educated people?  (Hint, hint, we have socialized schooling which now includes sending your child to a charter school if you want - so more choice rather than less)  Are you also aware that in countries with socialized or mixed health care systems they have lower infant mortality rates (America barely rates better than Afghanistan for post natal deaths of mothers and infants.), higher life expectancies, and a higher level of overall health among their citizens.  They also pay less for the quality care they get than we pay for the piss-poor care (longest time before diagnosis of major diseases from onset of any developed nation, highest infant mortality rate of same,and more) and fickle care we get.  

This talk of death panels is bullshit, straight bullshit.  Insurance companies are in existence and they are the death panels.  They can decide to deny coverage for treatment for cancer until treatment is too late.  They can call a liver transplant for a girl whose liver got smashed in an auto accident "experimental treatment" and let the girl die with donors lined up around the block and surgeons ready and able to do the surgery standing by.  They can drop your coverage in an instant, no matter how much you or your employer paid in.  They can send you home straight from ICU with tubing still attached if they want.  And if some of those things are less likely now, it's because of the evil Health Care bill you fear.

Quote from: "jduster"Clearly, there are distinct differences between Obama and McCain, and McCain making a poor choice of a running mate shouldn't tip the balance.  Either you favor the government supplanting our health care system or you do not.  I personally do not.

Actually, his incredibly poor judgment in nominating Palin, and his obvious willingness to place the nation at risk for the sake of charming the extreme right wing of his own party, both indicate that he lacks the judgment to be a good president.

QuoteLibertarians for Obama.  Interesting.  Isn't he the polar opposite of what they stand for.

This libertarian thinks both candidates put up were flawed, and voted for the one who seemed less-so.   As Kylyssa pointed out, McCain's advanced age made his death in office a serious possibility, and Sarah Palin is hardly qualified to run a Kwik-e-Mart.  Given the scandal following her around, my thinking on her is not just based on the deep contempt I have for her utter lack of intellectual rigor.

QuoteIt's unfortunate that the GOP doesn't have any great candidates.  It's unfortunate, I have to say, that no politican alive today can save us from our problems.  We just have to settle for the lesser of the two evils.

I'm glad the GOP has no great candidates.  They are by far the greatest threat to American liberty in the 21st century.  Yes, moreso than bin-Laden.

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Quote from: "jduster"Either you favor the government supplanting our health care system or you do not.  I personally do not.

Insurance companies are in existence and they are the death panels.  They can decide to deny coverage for treatment for cancer until treatment is too late.  They can call a liver transplant for a girl whose liver got smashed in an auto accident "experimental treatment" and let the girl die with donors lined up around the block and surgeons ready and able to do the surgery standing by.  They can drop your coverage in an instant, no matter how much you or your employer paid in.  They can send you home straight from ICU with tubing still attached if they want.  And if some of those things are less likely now, it's because of the evil Health Care bill you fear.

Let's add to this the insurance companies that would rather pay for ongoing treatment instead of preventative care.  Or the company when asked to cover a hysterectomy for a woman who would suffer severe problems in pregnancy possibly including death, refuses to budge and insists on hormonal birth control instead that severely affects her blood pressure causing her to be on high doses of BP meds.  (ask me about this nightmare, I'm living it)
You and your doctor are not in control of your health care in this country.  The insurance companies are.

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Quote from: "jduster"Either you favor the government supplanting our health care system or you do not.  I personally do not.

Insurance companies are in existence and they are the death panels.  They can decide to deny coverage for treatment for cancer until treatment is too late.  They can call a liver transplant for a girl whose liver got smashed in an auto accident "experimental treatment" and let the girl die with donors lined up around the block and surgeons ready and able to do the surgery standing by.  They can drop your coverage in an instant, no matter how much you or your employer paid in.  They can send you home straight from ICU with tubing still attached if they want.  And if some of those things are less likely now, it's because of the evil Health Care bill you fear.

Let's add to this the insurance companies that would rather pay for ongoing treatment instead of preventative care.  Or the company when asked to cover a hysterectomy for a woman who would suffer severe problems in pregnancy possibly including death, refuses to budge and insists on hormonal birth control instead that severely affects her blood pressure causing her to be on high doses of BP meds.  (ask me about this nightmare, I'm living it)
You and your doctor are not in control of your health care in this country.  The insurance companies are.

Ah, but that's freedom!