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Why are Christians volunteering to kill.

Thousands of Christians are in the US and UK Armed forces volunteering to kill [including padres].

What happened to 'thou shall not kill'.

Quote from: "jobee"Why are Christians volunteering to kill.

Thousands of Christians are in the US and UK Armed forces volunteering to kill [including padres].

What happened to 'thou shall not kill'.

Could you expand on what you mean exactly?

Religious values can be seen to stand alongside cultural ones. Such as defending a nations values and interests.

Even though this can be seen as a contradiction. Is this what you are referring to?

FYI, the OP is unlikely to respond coherently to your posts; please see his intro thread replies for al ink to how he acted on raving atheist.

Quote from: "Dretlin"

Quote from: "jobee"Why are Christians volunteering to kill.

Thousands of Christians are in the US and UK Armed forces volunteering to kill [including padres].

What happened to 'thou shall not kill'.

Could you expand on what you mean exactly?

Religious values can be seen to stand alongside cultural ones. Such as defending a nations values and interests.

Even though this can be seen as a contradiction. Is this what you are referring to?

 Either Christianity is pacifist, or it is not. No Iraqi attacked the US or UK for political or religious reasons.

Aside from that, I want to know why Christians are volunteering to kill at all.

Their famous sixth is quite specific [thou shall not kill].

Quote from: "Whitney"FYI, the OP is unlikely to respond coherently to your posts; please see his intro thread replies for al ink to how he acted on raving atheist.

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Would you kindly discuss the topic, not the poster.
Raving atheists attacked me as soon as i posted two atheist posts. Why? i dont know.

As I said in my previous post, perhaps when one feels they are defending their values and beliefs - that is defending their god/gods/unicorns or whatever people decide they want to worship.

Quote from: "jobee"Would you kindly discuss the topic, not the poster.
Raving atheists attacked me as soon as i posted two atheist posts. Why? i dont know.

Maybe it was because you posted the same thing more than once like you did here just before I wrote what you responded to above?

Quote from: "jobee"Why are Christians volunteering to kill.

Thousands of Christians are in the US and UK Armed forces volunteering to kill [including padres].

What happened to 'thou shall not kill'.

Technically, it says Thou shalt not murder (unlawful killing). Nothing unlawful about killing in war.

Quote from: "Whitney"

Quote from: "jobee"Would you kindly discuss the topic, not the poster.
Raving atheists attacked me as soon as i posted two atheist posts. Why? i dont know.

Maybe it was because you posted the same thing more than once like you did here just before I wrote what you responded to above?

Maybe is because you addressed the poster and not the post. The same as raving atheist did.

I'll try again, why are Christians volunteering to kill, 'anywhere' governments send them.

Thousands went killing in Vietnam when they must have known the Vietnamese people had every right to unite their own

country if they wish to do so.

What happened to 'thou shall not kill'. Please answer the post.

If you have the conviction that an all powerful god loves you, then it becomes easy to rationalise, "Oh, well, this might be a bit dodgy, but god loves me, and I am more or less decent, I am sure god will let me into heaven", it of course helps that god is American, and the people you happen to be killing are godless heathens. People largely pick and choose what they want from the bible, so they can justify their own actions, while condemning people they don't like, it should be no surprise they do that in this instance also, it's easy, "Oh, that old testament stuff does not apply to me, Jesus sorted it out by getting hung like a picture for us" or during the crusades , "The people I am killing are blasphemers, the pope said they don't even have souls, killing them is fine in god's eyes I'm sure"

Just so you know, telling the owner of the site what to do, on her own forums, is not the wisest move in the world, even if she normally is pretty level headed.

Quote from: "SSY"Just so you know, telling the owner of the site what to do, on her own forums, is not the wisest move in the world, even if she normally is pretty level headed.

Indeed.

Quote from: "Dretlin"As I said in my previous post, perhaps when one feels they are defending their values and beliefs - that is defending their god/gods/unicorns or whatever people decide they want to worship.

So they are doing what they like, Christian morals no longer exist.

Quote from: "SSY"If you have the conviction that an all powerful god loves you, then it becomes easy to rationalise, "Oh, well, this might be a bit dodgy, but god loves me, and I am more or less decent, I am sure god will let me into heaven", it of course helps that god is American, and the people you happen to be killing are godless heathens. People largely pick and choose what they want from the bible, so they can justify their own actions, while condemning people they don't like, it should be no surprise they do that in this instance also, it's easy, "Oh, that old testament stuff does not apply to me, Jesus sorted it out by getting hung like a picture for us" or during the crusades , "The people I am killing are blasphemers, the pope said they don't even have souls, killing them is fine in god's eyes I'm sure"

Just so you know, telling the owner of the site what to do, on her own forums, is not the wisest move in the world, even if she normally is pretty level headed.

Yes, Tony Blair sent the army killing in Iraq [a country that had done nothing to the UK] after his slaughter the Pope accepted him into the the Catholic Church-nice little twosome.

[Thou shall not kill]

If I may counter your initial question with an equlivalent question:

Why does an atheist who would, presumably, describe himself as a rational thinker go on an atheist forum to ask atheists to speculate on the motivations of christians?

Jobee shouldn't this question be directed at Christians.

Quote from: "elliebean"If I may counter your initial question with an equlivalent question:

Why does an atheist who would, presumably, describe himself as a rational thinker go on an atheist forum to ask atheists to speculate on the motivations of christians?

I ditto this.

You seem to be getting upset that a bunch of Atheists wont give you a straight answer on a subject they can't really know. We can make educated guesses but not really claim deffinitively why anyone who is not us decideds to do anything. Go to a Christian forum I think they may be able to tell how Christian feel about it.

Quote from: "Dretlin"As I said in my previous post, perhaps when one feels they are defending their values and beliefs - that is defending their god/gods/unicorns or whatever people decide they want to worship.

But why dont the leading prelates speak up about the 'voluntary' killers in the their ranks.


[thou shall not kill]

Quote from: "Sophus"

Quote from: "jobee"Why are Christians volunteering to kill.

Thousands of Christians are in the US and UK Armed forces volunteering to kill [including padres].

What happened to 'thou shall not kill'.

Technically, it says Thou shalt not murder (unlawful killing). Nothing unlawful about killing in war.

Its about time they sorted it out

Multiple translations exist of the sixth commandment; the Hebrew words לא תרצח are variously translated as "thou shalt not kill" or "thou shalt not murder." Older Protestant translations of the Bible, those based on the Vulgate and Roman Catholic translations usually render it as "Thou shalt not kill," whereas Jewish and newer Protestant versions tend to use "You shall not murder." There is controversy as to which translation is more faithful, and both forms are quoted in support of many opposing ethical standpoints.

Quote from: "Dretlin"

Quote from: "jobee"Why are Christians volunteering to kill.

Thousands of Christians are in the US and UK Armed forces volunteering to kill [including padres].

What happened to 'thou shall not kill'.

Could you expand on what you mean exactly?

Religious values can be seen to stand alongside cultural ones. Such as defending a nations values and interests.

Even though this can be seen as a contradiction. Is this what you are referring to?

this is what i mean


1.     I, the Lord, am your God. You shall not have other gods besides me.
2.     You shall not take the name of the Lord God in vain
3.     Remember to keep holy the Lord's Day
4.     Honor your father and your mother
5.     You shall not kill
6.     You shall not commit adultery
7.     You shall not steal
8.     You shall not bear false witness
9.     You shall not covet your neighbor's wife
10. You shall not covet your neighbor's goods

http://www.catholicbible101.com/thetencommandments.htm (http://www.catholicbible101.com/thetencommandments.htm)

If I were a Christian and were trying to explain why it was okay for people to kill others when directed by God that it could only make sense to use the thou shall not "murder" translation as thou shall not kill not only makes other parts of the bible hypocritical but would also prevent us from eating anything more than fruits and nuts.

That said, those who pointed out how silly it is to ask atheists what is going through a Christian's mind had a great point.

Quote from: "elliebean"If I may counter your initial question with an equlivalent question:

Why does an atheist who would, presumably, describe himself as a rational thinker go on an atheist forum to ask atheists to speculate on the motivations of christians

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There are Christians on here, why dont they speak up about this anomaly.
Also, the Arch Bishop of Canterbury never speaks up about these voluntary killers.
Why does'n't he speak up about his Padres that volunteer.

Quote from: "Whitney"If I were a Christian and were trying to explain why it was okay for people to kill others when directed by God that it could only make sense to use the thou shall not "murder" translation as thou shall not kill not only makes other parts of the bible hypocritical but would also prevent us from eating anything more than fruits and nuts.

That said, those who pointed out how silly it is to ask atheists what is going through a Christian's mind had a great point.

Thou shall not murder is the jewish translation.
Thou shall not kill is what the roman catholics supposed to obey.
But the Pope accepted Blair into the catholic church after Blair's unprovoked attack on Iraq.
Thus,Christians are encouraging war.

Also, it was Christian countries that started the 'first' and 'second' world war.

Quote from: "jobee"

Quote from: "Whitney"If I were a Christian and were trying to explain why it was okay for people to kill others when directed by God that it could only make sense to use the thou shall not "murder" translation as thou shall not kill not only makes other parts of the bible hypocritical but would also prevent us from eating anything more than fruits and nuts.

That said, those who pointed out how silly it is to ask atheists what is going through a Christian's mind had a great point.

Thou shall not murder is the jewish translation.
Thou shall not kill is what the roman catholics supposed to obey.
But the Pope accepted Blair into the catholic church after Blair's unprovoked attack on Iraq.
Thus,Christians are encouraging war.

Also, it was Christian countries that started the 'first' and 'second' world war.

World war 1 nor 2 was motivated by faith.

You also neglect to mention the war in the East, which began much earlier.

There also some violent Buddhists. Go figure. Did you expect religion to be rational?

But the Bible is filled with conquering and killing in the name of God. Doesn't surprise me that the tradition carries on today.

Quote from: "Tanker"Jobee shouldn't this question be directed at Christians.

Quote from: "elliebean"If I may counter your initial question with an equlivalent question:

Why does an atheist who would, presumably, describe himself as a rational thinker go on an atheist forum to ask atheists to speculate on the motivations of christians?

I ditto this.

You seem to be getting upset that a bunch of Atheists wont give you a straight answer on a subject they can't really know. We can make educated guesses but not really claim deffinitively why anyone who is not us decideds to do anything. Go to a Christian forum I think they may be able to tell how Christian feel about it.

I've been barred from every Christian forum i've put this question to, they dish it out, but they cant take it.

Quote from: "jobee"I've been barred from every Christian forum i've put this question to, they dish it out, but they cant take it.

Care to name a few?

Quote from: "Dretlin"

Quote from: "jobee"

Quote from: "Whitney"If I were a Christian and were trying to explain why it was okay for people to kill others when directed by God that it could only make sense to use the thou shall not "murder" translation as thou shall not kill not only makes other parts of the bible hypocritical but would also prevent us from eating anything more than fruits and nuts.

That said, those who pointed out how silly it is to ask atheists what is going through a Christian's mind had a great point.

Thou shall not murder is the jewish translation.
Thou shall not kill is what the roman catholics supposed to obey.
But the Pope accepted Blair into the catholic church after Blair's unprovoked attack on Iraq.
Thus,Christians are encouraging war.

Also, it was Christian countries that started the 'first' and 'second' world war.

The Germany of world war 2 was deeply Christian==read on==

http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm (http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm)

http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm (http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm)

World war 1 nor 2 was motivated by faith.

You also neglect to mention the war in the East, which began much earlier.

Quote from: "Dretlin"

Quote from: "jobee"I've been barred from every Christian forum i've put this question to, they dish it out, but they cant take it.

Care to name a few?

Try it yourself, see what happens.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm (http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm)

Quote from: "elliebean"If I may counter your initial question with an equlivalent question:

Why does an atheist who would, presumably, describe himself as a rational thinker go on an atheist forum to ask atheists to speculate on the motivations of christians?

Because you get barred from Christian forums when you ask embarrassing questions.
Try posting this on one.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm (http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm)

http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm (http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm)

Quote from: "jobee"

Quote from: "Dretlin"

Quote from: "jobee"I've been barred from every Christian forum i've put this question to, they dish it out, but they cant take it.

Care to name a few?

Try it yourself, see what happens.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm (http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm)

A link isn't an answer.  Maybe you got banned because you can't help but spam the forums you participate on with links instead of answering direct questions?

Or you get banned for spamming them with natzi links instead of first introducing yourself.

Quote from: "Whitney"If I were a Christian and were trying to explain why it was okay for people to kill others when directed by God that it could only make sense to use the thou shall not "murder" translation as thou shall not kill not only makes other parts of the bible hypocritical but would also prevent us from eating anything more than fruits and nuts.

That said, those who pointed out how silly it is to ask atheists what is going through a Christian's mind had a great point.

I tried it on this forum, they started swearing. I was banned off others.

http://com4.runboard.com/bcoventryalternativeforums.f6 (http://com4.runboard.com/bcoventryalternativeforums.f6)

http://com4.runboard.com/bcoventryalternativeforums.f6 (http://com4.runboard.com/bcoventryalternativeforums.f6)

Quote from: "Whitney"Or you get banned for spamming them with natzi links instead of first introducing yourself.

Try it yourself, instead of guessing about me.These are there fellow Christians.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm (http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm)

http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm (http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm)

Why is anyone even trying to answer this question? You don't come to an atheist forum to ask this question (besides the fact it is a loaded question). You go to a christian forum and ask it in a respectful way.

Moving on.

Quote from: "McQ"Why is anyone even trying to answer this question? You don't come to an atheist forum to ask this question (besides the fact it is a loaded question). You go to a christian forum and ask it in a respectful way.

Moving on.

You are not reading the post, i've already done it many times.

I've also left you a post site address.

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One does not simply Walken to an atheist forum and ask questions about Christian motivation.

The point is, Christians have no morals.

They are both killers and paedophiles.

Quote from: "jobee"The point is, Christians have no morals.

They are both killers and paedophiles.

The point is that you have no valid point here. Here are some other "groups" that also have among them both killers and pedophiles:

Tall people
Short people
Black people
White people
People with lisps
People who like chocolate
Left handed people
People who can't program their alarm clocks
Actors
Dentists
Salespeople
People who spell "misspelled" wrong
Nazis
Not Nazis
Christians
Muslims
Monkeys
People who make lists of shit
People who don't make lists of shit

ad nauseam[/list]

Quote from: "jobee"http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm

http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm (http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm)

This does nothing to challenge my statement.

Quote from: "McQ"

Quote from: "jobee"The point is, Christians have no morals.

They are both killers and paedophiles.

The point is that you have no valid point here. Here are some other "groups" that also have among them both killers and pedophiles:

Tall people
Short people
Black people
White people
People with lisps
People who like chocolate
Left handed people
People who can't program their alarm clocks
Actors
Dentists
Salespeople
People who spell "misspelled" wrong
Nazis
Not Nazis
Christians
Muslims
Monkeys
People who make lists of shit
People who don't make lists of shit

ad nauseam[/list]

Off topic, i'm talking about Christians, self styled moral pacesetters.

Quote from: "McQ"Why is anyone even trying to answer this question? You don't come to an atheist forum to ask this question (besides the fact it is a loaded question). You go to a christian forum and ask it in a respectful way.

Moving on.

People answer what questions they like, you sound like another dictator.

Quote from: "Dretlin"

Quote from: "jobee"http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm

http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm (http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm)

This does nothing to challenge my statement.

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Did you scroll down,i't shows you more symbols of moral pacesetters.

Quote from: "Tanker"Jobee shouldn't this question be directed at Christians.

Quote from: "elliebean"If I may counter your initial question with an equlivalent question:

Why does an atheist who would, presumably, describe himself as a rational thinker go on an atheist forum to ask atheists to speculate on the motivations of christians?

I ditto this.

You seem to be getting upset that a bunch of Atheists wont give you a straight answer on a subject they can't really know. We can make educated guesses but not really claim deffinitively why anyone who is not us decideds to do anything. Go to a Christian forum I think they may be able to tell how Christian feel about it.

See another post on here called==Why are Christians so rude.

I think this has gone on long enough.  

jobee,  consider this strike 2 for not promoting civil discussion.  It's your choice on what happens from this point on.

Quote from: "Whitney"jobee,  consider this strike 2 for not promoting civil discussion.  It's your choice on what happens from this point on.

i dont know what you mean, i haven't struck anyone.

I'm just illustrating how far Christianity has strayed off the beaten track.

A, covering up paedophilia. B, volunteering to kill anywhere governments send them.

These wouldn't listen. =http://com4.runboard.com/bcoventryalternativeforums.f6

http://com4.runboard.com/bcoventryalternativeforums.f6 (http://com4.runboard.com/bcoventryalternativeforums.f6)

Quote from: "jobee"i dont know what you mean, i haven't struck anyone.

I think someone needs to read the forum rules....

Quote from: "jobee"i dont know what you mean, i haven't struck anyone.

:blink:

Quote from: "jobee"A, covering up paedophilia. B, volunteering to kill anywhere governments send them.

A, Catholics, don't apply the failings of one religious organization to all others. B, there's atheists in foxholes, buddy. Religion and patriotism, though conflated often in this country, are not synonymous.

Quote from: "jobee"

Quote from: "Tanker"Jobee shouldn't this question be directed at Christians.

Quote from: "elliebean"If I may counter your initial question with an equlivalent question:

Why does an atheist who would, presumably, describe himself as a rational thinker go on an atheist forum to ask atheists to speculate on the motivations of christians?

I ditto this.

You seem to be getting upset that a bunch of Atheists wont give you a straight answer on a subject they can't really know. We can make educated guesses but not really claim deffinitively why anyone who is not us decideds to do anything. Go to a Christian forum I think they may be able to tell how Christian feel about it.

See another post on here called==Why are Christians so rude.

You actually responded to me twice. On page 2 and on page 3. What does your post from here http://happyatheistforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4503 have to do with my response

I'VE often wondered why the pope's never speak up about this anomaly of killer Christians volunteering to go anywhere politicians want killing done. 'You shall not kill' should be taken very serious by senior prelates.

This would get christianity back on track.

http://com4.runboard.com/bcoventryalternativeforums.f6 (http://com4.runboard.com/bcoventryalternativeforums.f6)

ou actually responded to me twice. On page 2 and on page 3. What does your post from here http://happyatheistforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4503 (http://happyatheistforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4503) have to do with my response


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I've been on Christians forums, some say they are 'not' christians if they volunteer to kill. Some forums just ban me.

But i've never heard a senior prelate condemn killer christians.

http://com4.runboard.com/bcoventryalternativeforums.f6 (http://com4.runboard.com/bcoventryalternativeforums.f6)

Mr Pope your members are killing.


http://www.pray4ourforces.org.uk/ (http://www.pray4ourforces.org.uk/)


http://www.pray4ourforces.org.uk/ (http://www.pray4ourforces.org.uk/)

I don’t understand this…. Are you saying that Christians and Jews shouldn’t be in the military because of the 10 commandments? Who should be then?
And… why do you care what religion the soldiers of your home country are?

Regardless of your problems finding answers from Christians it still begs the question why ask us? We can only give opinions or at best previous life experiences. We can't give you a diffinitive answer.

It's like asking an Astronomer "why do people read horoscopes?" when a better person to ask is an Astrologist.


You know what I want you to answer? Your own question for us. Since being the subject of the question is not required you obviously have as much as an expert opinion as the next random person. As soon as you answer me about the moral conundrum Christians in uniform face I'll know what you want to hear and I can return the favor.

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Am I the only one who feels this way?  

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Am I the only one who feels this way?  

Definitely not. Excellent visual of the feeling, too.

I put jobee on a one week ban for not following my instructions

Quote from: "elliebean"If I may counter your initial question with an equlivalent question:

Why does an atheist who would, presumably, describe himself as a rational thinker go on an atheist forum to ask atheists to speculate on the motivations of christians?

Because lots of them are anti Christian.

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Am I the only one who feels this way?  lol

Quote from: "jobee"

Quote from: "elliebean"If I may counter your initial question with an equlivalent question:

Why does an atheist who would, presumably, describe himself as a rational thinker go on an atheist forum to ask atheists to speculate on the motivations of christians?

Because lots of them are anti Christian.

That doesn't make sense.

Okay, carry on killing Christians, case closed.

Quote from: "jobee"Okay, carry on killing Christians, case closed.

that just got you banned...go hang out at angry atheist forum.