Title: Iron Man or Spiderman?
Post by: i_am_i on February 18, 2010, 12:34:15 AM
Post by: i_am_i on February 18, 2010, 12:34:15 AM
You're at a party and as things begin to wind down you wander over to a group of guys engaged in a heated debate. It turns out that the debate is over who's more powerful, Iron Man or Spiderman. Each guy has his point to make, and all the girls at the party have split so you hang around to listen.
After awhile you're either going to decide that it's time to leave quietly, or you're going to say "Come on, guys! These are comic book characters!"
That's how I feel when I read some of these discussions with theists that always involve some sort of metaphysical/ontological premise where the idea of god is concerned.
I signed up as a member here not because I don't believe in God but because over the years I have come to be convinced that God is a human invention and nothing more. Humanity doesn't need God anymore than it needs the covered wagon or player pianos. And it wouldn't matter at all if it weren't for the fact that this country is so bloody religious that Christianity actually plays a role in how some of this country's laws are made and interpreted.
For centuries people have been arguing about something that is entirely made up. Untold lives have been lost, civilizations have been devastated, great thinkers have occupied themselves with this man-made fantasy instead of turning their minds to the study of humanity, in the middle-east there is poisonous hatred based entirely on the fables contained in a human creation.
And yet we keep on arguing about it, as though this argument will ever produce anything worth a damn.
My beef with religion is that it demeans the achievements of human beings. It wants us to believe that nothing we do is good enough, that any attempt we make to understand ourselves better as autonomous human beings is sinful, it wants us to believe that we don't matter, that this life doesn't matter, that nothing we do matters, that we can know nothing without believing in ancient myths that have been stamped for approval by a priest class that has made itself the ultimate authority on life and death and everything in between.
Humanity has made itself ridiculous by taking this great con-game seriously for as long as it has. It's the twenty-first century and we're still arguing about comic book characters.
(Oh, and Spiderman would win in a one-to-one match with Iron Man. Any day.)
After awhile you're either going to decide that it's time to leave quietly, or you're going to say "Come on, guys! These are comic book characters!"
That's how I feel when I read some of these discussions with theists that always involve some sort of metaphysical/ontological premise where the idea of god is concerned.
I signed up as a member here not because I don't believe in God but because over the years I have come to be convinced that God is a human invention and nothing more. Humanity doesn't need God anymore than it needs the covered wagon or player pianos. And it wouldn't matter at all if it weren't for the fact that this country is so bloody religious that Christianity actually plays a role in how some of this country's laws are made and interpreted.
For centuries people have been arguing about something that is entirely made up. Untold lives have been lost, civilizations have been devastated, great thinkers have occupied themselves with this man-made fantasy instead of turning their minds to the study of humanity, in the middle-east there is poisonous hatred based entirely on the fables contained in a human creation.
And yet we keep on arguing about it, as though this argument will ever produce anything worth a damn.
My beef with religion is that it demeans the achievements of human beings. It wants us to believe that nothing we do is good enough, that any attempt we make to understand ourselves better as autonomous human beings is sinful, it wants us to believe that we don't matter, that this life doesn't matter, that nothing we do matters, that we can know nothing without believing in ancient myths that have been stamped for approval by a priest class that has made itself the ultimate authority on life and death and everything in between.
Humanity has made itself ridiculous by taking this great con-game seriously for as long as it has. It's the twenty-first century and we're still arguing about comic book characters.
(Oh, and Spiderman would win in a one-to-one match with Iron Man. Any day.)
Title: Re: Iron Man or Spiderman?
Post by: Typist on February 18, 2010, 12:55:07 AM
Post by: Typist on February 18, 2010, 12:55:07 AM
QuoteMy beef with religion is that it demeans the achievements of human beings. It wants us to believe that nothing we do is good enough, that any attempt we make to understand ourselves better as autonomous human beings is sinful, it wants us to believe that we don't matter, that this life doesn't matter, that nothing we do matters, that we can know nothing without believing in ancient myths that have been stamped for approval by a priest class that has made itself the ultimate authority on life and death and everything in between.
It might help a bit to recall that theists are very diverse, just like atheists.
C'mon now, there's some truth to what you say above, but the sweeping generic way you state it, as if it applies to all religions and all religious people, is a human invention, a comic book description, not science, logic and facts.
The best way for any of us to promote science, logic and facts is to demonstrate our loyalty to these principles.
Title: Re: Iron Man or Spiderman?
Post by: Will on February 18, 2010, 01:12:03 AM
Post by: Will on February 18, 2010, 01:12:03 AM
Spider-Man, no question. While Iron Man is certainly very powerful, there's no way he'd be able to keep up with Spider-Man. 
Title: Re: Iron Man or Spiderman?
Post by: elliebean on February 18, 2010, 01:14:03 AM
Post by: elliebean on February 18, 2010, 01:14:03 AM
Quote from: "Typist"The best way for any of us to promote science, logic and facts is to demonstrate our loyalty to these principles.You're more than welcome to start any time you like. Go ahead. Bring out the science, logic and facts.
Title: Re: Iron Man or Spiderman?
Post by: pinkocommie on February 18, 2010, 01:25:04 AM
Post by: pinkocommie on February 18, 2010, 01:25:04 AM
Quote from: "Will"Spider-Man, no question. While Iron Man is certainly very powerful, there's no way he'd be able to keep up with Spider-Man. :yay:
Title: Re: Iron Man or Spiderman?
Post by: karadan on February 18, 2010, 10:46:21 AM
Post by: karadan on February 18, 2010, 10:46:21 AM
Quote from: "Will"Spider-Man, no question. While Iron Man is certainly very powerful, there's no way he'd be able to keep up with Spider-Man. wtfbbqMcpwn Ironman but the Toby Macguire version? The whinging whiney loser? Iron man would pummel him. He can fly, has rockets which esplode tanks and energy pwnage devices strapped to his hands. One of those at point-blank to spidey's shit-eating grin would prove a decisive win for Stark, methinks :)
Title: Re: Iron Man or Spiderman?
Post by: SSY on February 18, 2010, 11:46:51 AM
Post by: SSY on February 18, 2010, 11:46:51 AM
Please, iron-Man would pwn him, the reason I like iron man, is that he is nothing more than some rich, self righteous wanker, he thinks having some suit of power gives him the right to go around fucking up peoples shit. Also spiderman wears spandex.
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.richjones.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F09%2Ffat-spiderman.jpg&hash=0c328574c45735a07aef4dc87d743a835fbb6ce4)
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Title: Re: Iron Man or Spiderman?
Post by: pinkocommie on February 18, 2010, 01:01:03 PM
Post by: pinkocommie on February 18, 2010, 01:01:03 PM
Quote from: "SSY"Please, iron-Man would pwn him, the reason I like iron man, is that he is nothing more than some rich, self righteous wanker, he thinks having some suit of power gives him the right to go around fucking up peoples shit. Also spiderman wears spandex.
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.richjones.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F09%2Ffat-spiderman.jpg&hash=0c328574c45735a07aef4dc87d743a835fbb6ce4)
So what about Iron Man vs. Batman? Batman hands down, by the way. His motivation for avenging gives him an edge. And he's a bad ass.
Title: Re: Iron Man or Spiderman?
Post by: G-Roll on February 20, 2010, 08:40:40 PM
Post by: G-Roll on February 20, 2010, 08:40:40 PM
QuoteAm i the only one who thought all the spiderman films sucked ass? Couldn't spiderman have been played by someone with a little more backbone?no you are not the only one. i cant watch those movies without wanting to punch him in the face.
QuoteSo what about Iron Man vs. Batman? Batman hands down, by the way. His motivation for avenging gives him an edge. And he's a bad ass.batman is a freaking ninja!!!!
QuoteC'mon now, there's some truth to what you say above, but the sweeping generic way you state it, as if it applies to all religions and all religious people, is a human invention, a comic book description, not science, logic and facts.i find it difficult to find differences between modern man made stories that we know are false, and ancient man made stories with authors who died long before i was born.
i would imagine if we as a human spiecies where far more ignorant (like the ancient people of the biblical time) and stumbled upon a superman comic, might see it as a close version of a modern god. perhaps thats something like how all this started...
Title: Re: Iron Man or Spiderman?
Post by: kelltrill on February 20, 2010, 08:52:51 PM
Post by: kelltrill on February 20, 2010, 08:52:51 PM
Quote from: "karadan"Am i the only one who thought all the spiderman films sucked ass? Couldn't spiderman have been played by someone with a little more backbone?Mass agreement from my side. I couldn't stand the Toby Maguire version. Iron Man wins this one.
None of my mates agree with me on this point
Although, I think Iron Man would have kicked Spiderman's ass in the comic books as well. Despite all Spidey's agility I don't think he'd be able to outmatch a couple of hundred kilograms of cold, hard, jet-proppelled weaponry.
Title: Re: Iron Man or Spiderman?
Post by: karadan on February 22, 2010, 12:23:12 PM
Post by: karadan on February 22, 2010, 12:23:12 PM
Quote from: "kelltrill"Quote from: "karadan"Am i the only one who thought all the spiderman films sucked ass? Couldn't spiderman have been played by someone with a little more backbone?
None of my mates agree with me on this point :cool:
