Title: A time when the pledge didn't include "under God"
Post by: Whitney on January 28, 2010, 11:56:34 PM
Post by: Whitney on January 28, 2010, 11:56:34 PM
[youtube:yvap7p36]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4zjviQrmcM[/youtube:yvap7p36]
Title: Re: A time when the pledge didn't include "under God"
Post by: kenh on January 29, 2010, 01:02:26 AM
Post by: kenh on January 29, 2010, 01:02:26 AM
I remember the pledge (just barely) without "Under god", in the first and second grade. We moved to Florida in 1952 and I noticed that it then had under god added. I thought it was a Florida thing, but it was added during the Eisenhower administration.
Title: Re: A time when the pledge didn't include "under God"
Post by: Nahuel on January 29, 2010, 01:32:37 AM
Post by: Nahuel on January 29, 2010, 01:32:37 AM
Here we have to swear loyalty to the flag in the 4th grade. They mention God somewhere, can't remember.
In Manuel Belgrano[li]'s proclaim, he says:
Hear me, soldiers of the homeland: Do not ever forget that our work [the flag] is God's work; He gives us this flag and commands us to sustain it
He mentions God a few more times, but that one speaks of how God actually created the flag and how it was commanded to us to sustain it.
[li]Creator of the flag.
In Manuel Belgrano[li]'s proclaim, he says:
QuoteEa, pues, soldados de la patria: no olvidéis jamás que nuestra obra es de Dios; que El nos ha concedido esta Bandera, que nos manda la sostengamos.Roughly translated:
Hear me, soldiers of the homeland: Do not ever forget that our work [the flag] is God's work; He gives us this flag and commands us to sustain it
He mentions God a few more times, but that one speaks of how God actually created the flag and how it was commanded to us to sustain it.
[li]Creator of the flag.
Title: Re: A time when the pledge didn't include "under God"
Post by: Prometheus on February 01, 2010, 06:02:35 AM
Post by: Prometheus on February 01, 2010, 06:02:35 AM
Yeah I heard they slipped that one in during the "Red Scare". Funny how religion thrives when people are frightened.
Title: Re: A time when the pledge didn't include "under God"
Post by: curiosityandthecat on February 01, 2010, 06:15:07 PM
Post by: curiosityandthecat on February 01, 2010, 06:15:07 PM
Quote from: "Prometheus"Yeah I heard they slipped that one in during the "Red Scare". Funny how religion thrives when people are frightened.Funny's one word for it.
Title: Re: A time when the pledge didn't include "under God"
Post by: SSY on February 01, 2010, 08:14:56 PM
Post by: SSY on February 01, 2010, 08:14:56 PM
It scans better without the "under god" bit.
Title: Re: A time when the pledge didn't include "under God"
Post by: theTwiz on February 23, 2010, 08:14:01 AM
Post by: theTwiz on February 23, 2010, 08:14:01 AM
My family has a currency collection that has some old $1 silver certificates that lack the "In God We Trust" insignia found today. IIRC they were issued in 1934 or 1935. I'm also currently trying to track down the Washington dollar coins that were struck without the phrase on accident back in 2006 or 2007. They're well-known among coin collectors though so I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: A time when the pledge didn't include "under God"
Post by: PeytonFarquhar on February 23, 2010, 07:11:15 PM
Post by: PeytonFarquhar on February 23, 2010, 07:11:15 PM
The original Pledge of Allegiance salute:
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhistory.verdeserve.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F01%2Funtitled-21.jpg&hash=a4ffc4c18deed4d11cf8ec5287448f4d41c0dff0)
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhistory.verdeserve.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F01%2F2.jpg&hash=09cdc8b9cc64db396012d6d66f05fe4e0e1e2356)
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhistory.verdeserve.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F01%2F11.jpg&hash=3d3ed55beabcbc3133d1e7f31c602c5362cdd877)
Gotta love those fascist symbols. The next time someone tries to tell you that the Pledge of Allegiance is patriotic, direct them to the early salute that was "required" for all "patriotic" citizens.
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhistory.verdeserve.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F01%2Funtitled-21.jpg&hash=a4ffc4c18deed4d11cf8ec5287448f4d41c0dff0)
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhistory.verdeserve.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F01%2F2.jpg&hash=09cdc8b9cc64db396012d6d66f05fe4e0e1e2356)
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhistory.verdeserve.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F01%2F11.jpg&hash=3d3ed55beabcbc3133d1e7f31c602c5362cdd877)
Gotta love those fascist symbols. The next time someone tries to tell you that the Pledge of Allegiance is patriotic, direct them to the early salute that was "required" for all "patriotic" citizens.
Title: Re: A time when the pledge didn't include "under God"
Post by: McQ on February 23, 2010, 07:15:57 PM
Post by: McQ on February 23, 2010, 07:15:57 PM
Quote from: "kenh"I remember the pledge (just barely) without "Under god", in the first and second grade. We moved to Florida in 1952 and I noticed that it then had under god added. I thought it was a Florida thing, but it was added during the Eisenhower administration.
Just now catching this thread, and all I gotta say is I'm so happy someone here is an older fogey than me! Thanks, Ken!
Title: Re: A time when the pledge didn't include "under God"
Post by: pinkocommie on February 24, 2010, 12:12:57 AM
Post by: pinkocommie on February 24, 2010, 12:12:57 AM
Wow, those pictures are both amazing and frightening. I had no idea about that original salute. Heil America, indeed. 
Title: Re: A time when the pledge didn't include "under God"
Post by: theTwiz on February 24, 2010, 07:08:49 AM
Post by: theTwiz on February 24, 2010, 07:08:49 AM
Quote from: "pinkocommie"Wow, those pictures are both amazing and frightening. I had no idea about that original salute. Heil America, indeed.
You have to keep in mind that back when these pictures were taken, that salute carried a different meaning than it does today. For that reason, I don't necessarily find them frightening, but you won't find me using that salute either.
Title: Re: A time when the pledge didn't include "under God"
Post by: pinkocommie on February 24, 2010, 07:16:11 AM
Post by: pinkocommie on February 24, 2010, 07:16:11 AM
Quote from: "theTwiz"Quote from: "pinkocommie"Wow, those pictures are both amazing and frightening. I had no idea about that original salute. Heil America, indeed. :secret: