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Religion => Religion => Topic started by: Ellainix on January 11, 2010, 04:15:23 AM

Title: Which evil dictator is most like God?
Post by: Ellainix on January 11, 2010, 04:15:23 AM
For reference, I mean the Jewish/Christian/Muslim God. Pick whatever religious canon you want.

Simple question, what evil dictator has the most in common with God?
Title: Re: Which evil dictator is most like God?
Post by: Mark L Holland on January 11, 2010, 04:39:26 AM
The question would be better said as which evil dictator is least like God
 :bananacolor:
Title: Re: Which evil dictator is most like God?
Post by: Tom62 on January 11, 2010, 06:10:40 AM
Perhaps the question should have been "Which dictator acts/acted most like God?"
Title: Re: Which evil dictator is most like God?
Post by: Tanker on January 11, 2010, 02:12:24 PM
Which god?
Title: Re: Which evil dictator is most like God?
Post by: G-Roll on January 11, 2010, 02:31:27 PM
Quote from: "Tanker"Which god?
QuoteJewish/Christian/Muslim God

nero. he didnt do anything when action was needed.
Title: Re: Which evil dictator is most like God?
Post by: curiosityandthecat on January 11, 2010, 02:34:02 PM
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Just kidding. Actually, it'd probably be this guy:

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Title: Re: Which evil dictator is most like God?
Post by: Sophus on January 11, 2010, 08:18:00 PM
Yeah Vlad the Impaler. Maybe Joseph Stalin because of what he did to those whom he felt threatened his sense of power.
Title: Re: Which evil dictator is most like God?
Post by: LoneMateria on January 12, 2010, 01:47:04 AM
How many dictators have tried to commit Genocide in the past century?  My money would be on those ones.  I'd say Hitler but God did a much better job of eliminating those he was bigoted against.
Title: Re: Which evil dictator is most like God?
Post by: AlP on January 12, 2010, 04:09:45 AM
The communist dictators of last century killed the most people: Stalin, Mao, Lenin and Pol Pot killed tens and tens of millions between them. Lenin and Pol Pot have the dubious distinction of having killed less people than Hitler.
Title: Re: Which evil dictator is most like God?
Post by: curiosityandthecat on January 12, 2010, 02:14:39 PM
Quote from: "AlP"The communist dictators of last century killed the most people: Stalin, Mao, Lenin and Pol Pot killed tens and tens of millions between them. Lenin and Pol Pot have the dubious distinction of having killed less people than Hitler.
Yeah, but Stalin, Mao, Lenin and Pol Pot killed their own people. Hitler killed people next door. After a while we won't stand for that, will we?  roflol

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Title: Re: Which evil dictator is most like God?
Post by: frog818 on January 13, 2010, 03:35:28 AM
I don't think you can make proper comparisons between the two as God is totally fictitious and hence any deeds he committed are totally non-existent. Brutal dictators on the other hand are real genuine people whose atrocities can be studied with both primary and secondary sources.

But just for the heck of it, I would say Napoleon would have to be the closest.  He forced entire nations to his ideology at the point of the sword and succeeded.  His right or wrong belief of self-grandeur coupled with his megalomaniac personality makes him a strong contender for the most evil dictator most like God.
Title: Re: Which evil dictator is most like God?
Post by: AlP on January 13, 2010, 04:22:59 AM
Quote from: "curiosityandthecat"Yeah, but Stalin, Mao, Lenin and Pol Pot killed their own people. Hitler killed people next door. After a while we won't stand for that, will we?  roflol
Title: Re: Which evil dictator is most like God?
Post by: some light plz on January 15, 2010, 10:17:50 PM
hello Ellainix

When man announces his judgement  against God without giving himself time to think , then he is a unjust person .. also thankless .. !!! surely .
Do not be angry of me ,  until you complete reading  my post .. and please notice that I am speaking about a thing above my knowledge . and humankind's knowledge .

( A ) : Natural phenomena: [ earthquakes , volcanoes , storms , …… ] .
these phenomena existent  before us , we can not say they are evils , the real name of them " creatures " have been created before human creation or as you believe before our evolution  , they used their destructive force to fix and cure  earth before human existence . and truly they are not destroying earth , these phenomena are repairing earth from inside  by this destructive force . and the repair period for each phenomena are different :
earthquakes : 1 or 2 mins in each 10 years or more .
volcanoes: I do not know its period… but I think 1 day in each 15 years or more .
these  phenomena do not divide between people [ believers or non-believers , adult or a baby ] it could happen in SA or USA .or in any area on earth .
a simple example is the snake , it is a creature , we consider it evil when it bites a person , but it is useful for environment,  it eats rats , we could use its poison in some medicine , females love snake's skin , in China people eat the snakes .
 also the Natural phenomena are creatures , we consider them evil when they harmed people , but they are useful for earth and  environment , the volcanoes soil are the best soil for farming and many metals exit by volcanoes .

( B ) : diseases :  [ about sick  babies ]
Reasons are so many [ genetic , viruses , radiation , bacteria , biological , … ] who knows ?
This is very important thing you must know : Until the science knows all the reasons , then  you Decide on whom the blame ?  
But you have no right to put the  blame on God without an evidences … stop .
Possibility according to :
1- a family all their kids are healthy … the rate [        %] .
2- a family all their kids are healthy except one … the rate [        %] .
3- a family all their kids are sick … the rate [        %].
4- a family has no kids … the rate [        %].
Actually I don’t know the rates . but I am sure number ( 1 ) has the highest rate , and number ( 3 ) is the lowest  rate maybe in the world the rate is [ 3 % ] .

( C ) : diseases [ after many years ] :
You came to this life a healthy baby have no diseases , and grew up a child then a boy , young and finally you became a strong adult . until you reach the age of 50 or 60 years . suddenly a cancer has been discovered in your body [ forbid ] .
From your subject : you will blame God not evolution for this disease .
Where was God in your life  during the previous 50 years ?
why did you ignore him and reject him in the happiness time  but  you blame him in sadness time ?
why you were thankless during 50 years for all of his blessing and favor on you ?
even more : you do not want to admit that he is existent .

( D  ) : Wars :
Did God command us to kill  ?
Forbid on Allah ( God ) he  did not commands his followers to kill people  . if you are depending on bible , then I told you most of the bible is lying against God and prophets  .
At holy Quran : ((32. On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. )) Surah 5
it is ordained on Christians , Muslims and all humankind  â€¦ Allah said do not kill … and made  the choices in our hands … whatever we do , we are the responsible . and should not blame him .
same as the Traffic System : " stop during  the red signal   "  but you ignore the signal , then you killed a person . do you blame the Traffic System ?  

finally this is Allah ,
the prophet is that among the sayings he relates from his Lord is that He said: "
O My servants, I have forbidden oppression for Myself and have made it forbidden amongst you, so do not oppress one another.
O My servants, all of you are astray except for those I have guided, so seek guidance of Me and I shall guide you.
O My servants, all of you are hungry except for those I have fed, so seek food of Me and I shall feed you.
O My servants, all of you are naked except for those I have clothed, so seek clothing of Me and I shall clothe you.
O My servants, you sin by night and by day, and I forgive all sins, so seek forgiveness of Me and I shall forgive you.
O My servants, you will not attain harming Me so as to harm Me, and you will not attain benefiting Me so as to benefit Me.
O my servants, were the first of you and the last of you, the human of you and the jinn of you to become as pious as the most pious heart of any one man of you, that would not increase My kingdom in anything.
O My servants, were the first of you and the last of you, the human of you and the jinn of you to be as wicked as the most wicked heart of any one man of you, that would not decrease My kingdom in anything.
O My servants, were the first of you and the last of you, the human of you and the jinn of you to rise up in one place and make a request of Me, and were I to give everyone what he requested, that would not decrease what I have, any more than a needle decreases the sea if put into it.
O My servants, it is but your deeds that I reckon up for you and then recompense you for, so let him who finds good praise Allah, and let him who finds other than that blame no one but himself."

my regard
Title: Re: Which evil dictator is most like God?
Post by: Ellainix on January 16, 2010, 06:44:23 AM
Quote from: "some light plz"hello Ellainix

When man announces his judgement  against [...]
I'm a woman.
Title: Re: Which evil dictator is most like God?
Post by: AlP on January 16, 2010, 07:45:35 AM
Quote from: "Ellainix"
Quote from: "some light plz"hello Ellainix

When man announces his judgement  against [...]
I'm a woman.
Nice :).

If your guy is sleeping with another girl and you haven't agreed to an open relationship or similar then he isn't meeting his obligations. Dump him now. He's being a disrespectful asshole. Does he even feel shame for hurting you? Is there any reason to expect he will change? Don't be a slave. Dump the loser and move on.

Edit:
A|P notes that he's on the wrong thread. Sorry about that.
Title: Re: Which evil dictator is most like God?
Post by: G-Roll on January 16, 2010, 02:35:07 PM
QuoteEdit:
A|P notes that he's on the wrong thread. Sorry about that.

classy. very classy.
Title: Re: Which evil dictator is most like God?
Post by: Ellainix on January 16, 2010, 05:02:14 PM
Quote from: "AlP"
Quote from: "Ellainix"
Quote from: "some light plz"hello Ellainix

When man announces his judgement  against [...]
I'm a woman.
Nice :).

If your guy is sleeping with another girl and you haven't agreed to an open relationship or similar then he isn't meeting his obligations. Dump him now. He's being a disrespectful asshole. Does he even feel shame for hurting you? Is there any reason to expect he will change? Don't be a slave. Dump the loser and move on.

Your words speak wisdom to me, I will now stop dating Yahweh.
Title: Re: Which evil dictator is most like God?
Post by: curiosityandthecat on January 16, 2010, 05:17:18 PM
Quote from: "Ellainix"Your words speak wisdom to me, I will now stop dating Yahweh.

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Title: Re: Which evil dictator is most like God?
Post by: Mark L Holland on January 16, 2010, 05:48:50 PM
To curiosityandthecat

  Good one when does the X rated version of Jesus and Marry come out.
 :bananacolor:
Title: Re: Which evil dictator is most like God?
Post by: AlP on January 16, 2010, 11:11:52 PM
lol
Title: Re: Which evil dictator is most like God?
Post by: Ellainix on January 17, 2010, 03:44:54 AM
Quote from: "curiosityandthecat"
Quote from: "Ellainix"Your words speak wisdom to me, I will now stop dating Yahweh.

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I asked Jesus to touch me  :blush:
Title: Re: Which evil dictator is most like God?
Post by: patience on January 23, 2010, 06:52:18 AM
Hi,
The devil first introduced sin. If he hadn't disobeyed, we'd still be in a perfect world! There would be no pain or suffering, and we would all have intimate relationships with God!
But luckily for us, Heaven is going to be better! I can't even imagine what it's like...but I know it will be the greatest thing ever made!
Title: Re: Which evil dictator is most like God?
Post by: pinkocommie on January 23, 2010, 06:57:19 AM
Quote from: "patience"Hi,
The devil first introduced sin. If he hadn't disobeyed, we'd still be in a perfect world! There would be no pain or suffering, and we would all have intimate relationships with God!
But luckily for us, Heaven is going to be better! I can't even imagine what it's like...but I know it will be the greatest thing ever made!

...ok. :hmm:   Well, the question was "Which evil dictator is most like God?"  I don't really see how your post is relevant and there's a pretty strict 'no proselytizing' rule here from what I can gather.
Title: Re: Which evil dictator is most like God?
Post by: Mark L Holland on January 23, 2010, 07:54:32 AM
To Patience

  Let's see, God created Satan who was the most beautiful and perfect of all his creations.  God took off and left Satan in charge of the earth.  The humans only seeing Satan around started worshipping Satan as God.  God comes back from his vacation and Satan tells God hey you gave up the God hood of this planet when you left, the humans have made me God of this World so get lost.  God being all knowing and all seeing and all that other righteous stuff, knew that all of this was going to happen and had deliberately built a flaw into his most beautiful and most perfect creation Satan knowing he would turn evil and even after Satan committed the one unforgivable sin (rejecting God) instead of killing him he allows Satan to run around instigating evil at every turn for thousands and thousands of years.

  So not only did the Christian God invent evil, but he supported and endorsed that evil for thousands and thousands of years so in the final analysis who is evil Satan or the God that created and supports and endorses Satan.  Patience you need a new God there are a lot of them out there to choose from and non of them are as screwed up as yours is.
 :bananacolor:
Title: Re: Which evil dictator is most like God?
Post by: Zyva on January 24, 2010, 02:33:27 AM
There's no such thing as the devil or satan, patience.
He's sorta like Santa Claus, an imaginative character who convinces children go to bed early and be good, only well... you know, for grown-ups.

Oops! forgot to stick to the topic. :blush:  
I'm going with Hitler because he chose to kill those people who's beliefs were different than his own, exactly what the biblical God did. The only difference being, that God gave the ok to keep the virgin girl children of the opposing tribe to have sex with, and I'm not aware of Hitler making that distinction. It's possible of course, but I've never read it.
Title: Re: Which evil dictator is most like God?
Post by: Mark L Holland on January 24, 2010, 04:55:45 AM
To Zyva

  actually Hitler considered the Norwegians and Nordic and Swiss people to be Arian in nature and had no problems with mixing German blood with their blood with no problem.  I have little problem with Hitler’s belief with a supreme race and culture could be made through genetic manipulation and genetic weeding.  Although personally I prefer the Asian Culture myself.

  I personally belief that the Asian race is the superior race of mankind.  Their culture and history is far better then the history and reality of the other races.  If the Asian culture had been able to evolve without Christian interference I believe it would have been a far better choice for the people at large then the peasants of Christianity have in today’s reality.

  If God gave me the choice of deciding the future of mankind I would say destroy the White, Black, and Hispanic races and allow the Asian Race to not only survive but to be the only remaining power upon the earth.  there is no redemption value to the European or American way of life.  In a post global disaster scenario I would rather have the Chinese survive then the American or European nations.
 :bananacolor:
Title: Re: Which evil dictator is most like God?
Post by: Tom62 on January 24, 2010, 11:49:42 AM
To Mark L. Holland

Sorry, but I don't believe in Asian racial superiority. The Asians have a history of genocides and other atrocities, just like we do. Look for example at the war crimes that the Japanese committed from 1937 till  1945, like the Nanjing massacre, human experimentation, biological warfare, torture of POW's, etc. There are other Asian countries that share a similar dark history.  Even today, some of the worse inhumane regimes are in Asia and some of the more democratic Asian countries have racial purity laws in place or officially support racial discrimination. With other words, the Asian race is just as good or as bad as all other races that populate this small, blue planet.
Title: Re: Which evil dictator is most like God?
Post by: Mark L Holland on January 24, 2010, 02:10:53 PM
To Tom

  Heck the human race as a whole is nothing to write home about.  While all other races were cowering around their fires at night the Asian cultures were living in cities and had written languages.  The Chinese culture dates back over 10,000 years, they developed agriculture irrigation long before the other races.  Asians while just as violent as the other races tended to stay in their own backyards, while Europeans expanded all over the globe Asians had a habit of building walls and staying behind them.

  Asian cultures also tend towards being far more serious about education, your statement about Asians being just as brutal as the other races is like the Christians when faced with their flaws will say, but what we do is no different then anyone else.  While Asian cultures can be just as pig headed and brutal as the other races, they can also excel in other areas.  And personally I like Asian women.
Title: Re: Which evil dictator is most like God?
Post by: Tom62 on January 24, 2010, 02:53:20 PM
Quote from: "Mark L Holland"And personally I like Asian women.
Me too, but don't tell my wife  ;).
Title: Re: Which evil dictator is most like God?
Post by: curiosityandthecat on January 24, 2010, 03:21:30 PM
Quote from: "Tom62"
Quote from: "Mark L Holland"And personally I like Asian women.
Me too, but don't tell my wife  :blush:
Title: Re: Which evil dictator is most like God?
Post by: SSY on January 26, 2010, 02:04:11 AM
None of these suggestions capture the most bizarre thing about god, he does it in a  loving way. When he kills people, it is for all the right reasons, when he inflicts suffering, it is because he wants us to be free (just not free of pain). I can't for the life of me think of someone who is quite that mad, who insists on being loved, truly adored, and worshipped, under penalty of death. Having said that, CeauÅŸescu had specially fattened cows shipped to wherever he was visiting, to make the famine seem more bearable, so he gets my vote, not withstanding the fact he built the heaviest building in the world, which is awesome.