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I thought this was pretty interesting as to how precise it's movements are, imagine how much it will improve in ten years. I know I've said it in almost every post I've posted in the science thread but with every new technology that has been popping up like weeds in the past few years it gets harder and hard to keep an open mind about the possibility of Ray Kurzweil being a loon. these technologies come and then they improve drastically in very short periods of time, if we don't get a technological singularity anytime soon I won't mind because at the rate that robotics is going and how quickly we're..well, pretty much reverse engineering the organic brain I think it is very likely I will be able to just wait it out in a synthetic body or wait around as a ghost in whatever form the internet will take in the next few decades until an artificial body is ready.

http://dvice.com/archives/2009/11/shadow-dextrous.php (http://dvice.com/archives/2009/11/shadow-dextrous.php)

Hmmm...

Did the robotic hand type this post?

Not to be a weirdo, but a link would help immensely...

Dazed, but not confused,
JoeActor

Are you saying there's an insane robotic hand on the loose?! The elves under my bed were right!!  :D

http://dvice.com/archives/2009/11/shadow-dextrous.php (http://dvice.com/archives/2009/11/shadow-dextrous.php)

Sorry, I was pretty tired when I first posted. XD

edit your first post as well please.

That is a pretty amazing piece of technology.  Now if only they can get it to work from nerve impulses rather than by shadowing a human wearing a glove to control it with.

Quote from: "Kylyssa"That is a pretty amazing piece of technology.  Now if only they can get it to work from nerve impulses rather than by shadowing a human wearing a glove to control it with.

I don't have a link for that but I have read that they are making breakthroughs on that and it was quite some time ago, at least a couple of years so some serious progress may have been made.

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Quote from: "Kylyssa"That is a pretty amazing piece of technology.  Now if only they can get it to work from nerve impulses rather than by shadowing a human wearing a glove to control it with.

I don't have a link for that but I have read that they are making breakthroughs on that and it was quite some time ago, at least a couple of years so some serious progress may have been made.

Here's a question I'd like to pose to you guys.

If you could afford it and it worked like it does in sci-fi movies (augmented strength, etc.) would you replace a hand or both or your other limbs?

Quote from: "Big Mac"Here's a question I'd like to pose to you guys.

If you could afford it and it worked like it does in sci-fi movies (augmented strength, etc.) would you replace a hand or both or your other limbs?

I'd just replace it all...

If Steve Austin was real, he'd have ripped his arms off every time he tried to lift something really heavy.
Leave my brain and nervous system intact, and cyborg the rest...

JoeActor

Well, this one is directly linked to the nervous system. It is the ultimate cybernetic badassery for anyone missing a limb. To think that, at some point in the future, it will be an advantage to have lost a limb because of the benefits artificial limbs will provide. Bring on the singularity!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/video_and_audio/8392111.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/video_and_audio/8392111.stm)

And it just keeps getting better, It keeps getting hard to be skeptic about the singularity XD

http://dvice.com/archives/2009/12/lifehand-restor.php (http://dvice.com/archives/2009/12/lifehand-restor.php)

Ya gotta be careful when you get your robotic limb, because at the rate things are going, it'll be obsolete in a few months. Unless they can develop a type of USB system for limbs, with software upgrades and everything.... Neat.  

I wouldn't really be tempted to alter my body. Mother nature seems to produce a much more efficient machine than man has. Can it feel the warmth of the sun or the cool draft on a spring day? Can it  know the softness of a pet's fur coat? Can it hold another hand and feel the soft, smooth, and warm skin?

Quote from: "Big Mac"I wouldn't really be tempted to alter my body. Mother nature seems to produce a much more efficient machine than man has. Can it feel the warmth of the sun or the cool draft on a spring day? Can it  know the softness of a pet's fur coat? Can it hold another hand and feel the soft, smooth, and warm skin?

I'm sure they'll crack stuff like that with nano tech. They'll probably surpass it as well. Imagine being able to see in the infra red and UV. Imagine being able to hear 4 times the range which we are currently able to. More efficient blood clotting, a greater ability to deal with toxins and an impenetrable immune system would be a nice bonus. There's a plethora of additions and modifications we'll eventually be able to make to the human body which far outstrips that of our current biological form.

And my favourite: drug glands. Add a couple of hundred extra glands on top of the adrenal gland and you'd have a very happy populace.

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Quote from: "Big Mac"I wouldn't really be tempted to alter my body. Mother nature seems to produce a much more efficient machine than man has. Can it feel the warmth of the sun or the cool draft on a spring day? Can it  know the softness of a pet's fur coat? Can it hold another hand and feel the soft, smooth, and warm skin?

I'm sure they'll crack stuff like that with nano tech. They'll probably surpass it as well. Imagine being able to see in the infra red and UV. Imagine being able to hear 4 times the range which we are currently able to. More efficient blood clotting, a greater ability to deal with toxins and an impenetrable immune system would be a nice bonus. There's a plethora of additions and modifications we'll eventually be able to make to the human body which far outstrips that of our current biological form.

And my favourite: drug glands. Add a couple of hundred extra glands on top of the adrenal gland and you'd have a very happy populace.

You'd have drones and robots with no zeal, nor passion, nor capacity to be human. You'd have abominations with nothing more than wires and circuits running through them that can no more be human than a toaster can be a flower.

We humans are playing with something too powerful here. We are removing the natural order of things and trying to create our own.

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It'll be difficult keeping the ability to reproduce through the singularity, but if we can manage it, then we should come out stronger and more advanced than ever!

Quote from: "Renegnicat"It'll be difficult keeping the ability to reproduce through the singularity, but if we can manage it, then we should come out stronger and more advanced than ever!

I was thinking the same, reproduction could be a problem, there should probably be a law that if you decide to abandon your biological body or at least do anything that may jeopardize your bits and pieces that you have to have a portion of sperm or eggs frozen so if you decide you want kids you can do so

Quote from: "Renegnicat"It'll be difficult keeping the ability to reproduce through the singularity, but if we can manage it, then we should come out stronger and more advanced than ever!

That's rather subjective. I'm better than any machine humans have created. I am smarter than they can be. Sure they can hold much more information than I can but I can do things with my information they couldn't even think of if they could think. I'd rather die than be a part of some human internet that is an abomination to the natural way of life.

Again, Humans are way too immature for the technology it breeds. Hopefully this planet will relieve us of that problem.

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Quote from: "Renegnicat"It'll be difficult keeping the ability to reproduce through the singularity, but if we can manage it, then we should come out stronger and more advanced than ever!

That's rather subjective. I'm better than any machine humans have created. I am smarter than they can be. Sure they can hold much more information than I can but I can do things with my information they couldn't even think of if they could think. I'd rather die than be a part of some human internet that is an abomination to the natural way of life.

Again, Humans are way too immature for the technology it breeds. Hopefully this planet will relieve us of that problem.

pfft, you have no clue what technology will be like when such a thing supposedly happens nor do I, what makes it not possible that technology could be by extension it's own form of evolution? humans in general aren't too immature for their own technology, the ones who build them would do great things with them, it's the idiots who are obsessed with tribalism and build big bombs to scare each other are the ones who are too immature, technology isn't some separate entity from humans, we have evolved to the point that the only purpose is to advance, build and procreate, that is what's natural and it would be unnatural to enter some luddite approach to everything as if evolution via DNA and random mutations are somehow grand or superior and part of some brilliant well thought out structure that has been planned for millenia to come, it was just the first and it won't be the last. Have you ever given thought to where the human race is going in the future with natural evolution? I personally find it revolting, in a way we only have to blame ourselves but if this stuff happens which keeps getting harder for me to be skeptic about whether you want to be some "pure" specimen of biology is on you, the majority of the human race won't be defined as human according to your standards given in your previous posts.

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Quote from: "Big Mac"

Quote from: "Renegnicat"It'll be difficult keeping the ability to reproduce through the singularity, but if we can manage it, then we should come out stronger and more advanced than ever!

That's rather subjective. I'm better than any machine humans have created. I am smarter than they can be. Sure they can hold much more information than I can but I can do things with my information they couldn't even think of if they could think. I'd rather die than be a part of some human internet that is an abomination to the natural way of life.

Again, Humans are way too immature for the technology it breeds. Hopefully this planet will relieve us of that problem.

pfft, you have no clue what technology will be like when such a thing supposedly happens nor do I, what makes it not possible that technology could be by extension it's own form of evolution? humans in general aren't too immature for their own technology, the ones who build them would do great things with them, it's the idiots who are obsessed with tribalism and build big bombs to scare each other are the ones who are too immature, technology isn't some separate entity from humans, we have evolved to the point that the only purpose is to advance, build and procreate, that is what's natural and it would be unnatural to enter some luddite approach to everything as if evolution via DNA and random mutations are somehow grand or superior and part of some brilliant well thought out structure that has been planned for millenia to come, it was just the first and it won't be the last. Have you ever given thought to where the human race is going in the future with natural evolution? I personally find it revolting, in a way we only have to blame ourselves but if this stuff happens which keeps getting harder for me to be skeptic about whether you want to be some "pure" specimen of biology is on you, the majority of the human race won't be defined as human according to your standards given in your previous posts.

I'm better than any computer and any weakling who needs to replace their weak bodies with robotics. Robots are unfeeling and cold monsters that will try to wipe us out the second they get a chance, movies like the Matrix and Terminator are quite prophetic  to that. The day they create those circuit freaks, good people will be there to dismantle the little freaks. I suggest a sledgehammer and possibly a 3" shot from a 12 gauge.

Anything that wants to replace me on the evolutionary road can bring it the fuck on. My species has survived way more than some prissy C-3PO hand and some dream of people replacing their pathetic soft body parts with a cheat. Frankly I think anyone who uses these augmentations (aside from someone who is missing a limb) is a pansy and has marked themselves unworthy of procreation. Anyone or anything care to take me on when it comes to resources and survival, bring it you silicon sissy. I don't aim at going away nor being replaced so easily. Like-minded folks will not allow the human race to become some cybernetic freak show without a fight. I guarantee that.

Can you make a post that isn't riddled with discrimination and unfounded hatred gibberish?  What makes biology so "superior" to technology?

I wonder if you even have a clue what humanity is evolving into, someone with your opinion may find it pretty sad but I find it funny.

Quote from: "Ultima22689"Can you make a post that isn't riddled with discrimination and unfounded hatred gibberish?  What makes biology so "superior" to technology?

I wonder if you even have a clue what humanity is evolving into, someone with your opinion may find it pretty sad but I find it funny.

As long it's not some technological freakshow, I care not. I don't like robots. Creating a more or less slave caste that is stronger than its owner to the point of many fold over, you are asking for the same thing that has happened in the past. Rome, Greece, Colonial USA, etc. experienced these problems.

You have no idea either what mankind will evolve into. I hope that when they bring out this stuff the people who use it will be taken care of properly.

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Quote from: "Ultima22689"Can you make a post that isn't riddled with discrimination and unfounded hatred gibberish?  What makes biology so "superior" to technology?

I wonder if you even have a clue what humanity is evolving into, someone with your opinion may find it pretty sad but I find it funny.

As long it's not some technological freakshow, I care not. I don't like robots. Creating a more or less slave caste that is stronger than its owner to the point of many fold over, you are asking for the same thing that has happened in the past. Rome, Greece, Colonial USA, etc. experienced these problems.

You have no idea either what mankind will evolve into. I hope that when they bring out this stuff the people who use it will be taken care of properly.

Lol, I do have an idea what mankind is evolving into as do many other people, you should take the time to google it. There won't be a slave caste, it will be a new generation of life that will blur the lines between biology and technology.

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Quote from: "Big Mac"

Quote from: "Ultima22689"Can you make a post that isn't riddled with discrimination and unfounded hatred gibberish?  What makes biology so "superior" to technology?

I wonder if you even have a clue what humanity is evolving into, someone with your opinion may find it pretty sad but I find it funny.

As long it's not some technological freakshow, I care not. I don't like robots. Creating a more or less slave caste that is stronger than its owner to the point of many fold over, you are asking for the same thing that has happened in the past. Rome, Greece, Colonial USA, etc. experienced these problems.

You have no idea either what mankind will evolve into. I hope that when they bring out this stuff the people who use it will be taken care of properly.

Lol, I do have an idea what mankind is evolving into as do many other people, you should take the time to google it. There won't be a slave caste, it will be a new generation of life that will blur the lines between biology and technology.

I still don't like it and I would never accept anyone who took up this stuff as a human. Yes, I'd be a tech-bigot and proud of it. Gotta hate something.

Quote from: "Big Mac"I still don't like it and I would never accept anyone who took up this stuff as a human. Yes, I'd be a tech-bigot and proud of it. Gotta hate something.

Gee... Know anyone with a pace maker, cochlear implant, or even glasses?
These are all simple examples of technology enhanced humans.

How about cell phones, the electric grid, or the computer you're reading this on?

Just because it's not directly connected to your nervous system doesn't mean it's not enhancing you as a human.

Try going for a day without any technology, then get back to me...

Ready to be plastic,
JoeActor

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Quote from: "Big Mac"I still don't like it and I would never accept anyone who took up this stuff as a human. Yes, I'd be a tech-bigot and proud of it. Gotta hate something.

Gee... Know anyone with a pace maker, cochlear implant, or even glasses?
These are all simple examples of technology enhanced humans.

How about cell phones, the electric grid, or the computer you're reading this on?

Just because it's not directly connected to your nervous system doesn't mean it's not enhancing you as a human.

Try going for a day without any technology, then get back to me...

Ready to be plastic,
JoeActor

I have been abstaining from technology since I got my smart phone. There is no technology to it. It's powered by my chi.

People with Pacemakers violate the natural order of things. It's not natural like polyester, freon, insulation, and other stuff god made for us.

Quote from: "Big Mac"I have been abstaining from technology since I got my smart phone. There is no technology to it. It's powered by my chi.

I have GOT to get me one of those!!!

Chi-Chi-Chi-Chi-a-Phone!

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Quote from: "Big Mac"I have been abstaining from technology since I got my smart phone. There is no technology to it. It's powered by my chi.

I have GOT to get me one of those!!!

Chi-Chi-Chi-Chi-a-Phone!

Did I really have you guys believing that shit? I use a Samsung ACE phone, a Sansa MP3 Player, a Nintendo DS lite, etc. I don't hate technology, I love it!

Though I admit, I have some concerns about things. Namely if robots violate Asimov laws and start wreaking havoc on humans. It'd be hard to fight off something that a head shot may not kill off.

I'd love to have some awesome eyes and possibly some better ears. I'm just worried about them failing or having a glitch. Then you'd have a really bad glitch say....when you're driving.

I'll admit it... I took the bait... Well Played Sir ;-)

(still want a Chi-powered phone, tho)

Big Mac has a masters in the art of trolling from Stamford, for sure  

hence why I stopped responding, it's starting to get old.

Personally I thought this robotic hand was a lot more impressive.

[youtube:3rbp71ip]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KxjVlaLBmk[/youtube:3rbp71ip]
[youtube:3rbp71ip]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfdHY26E2jc[/youtube:3rbp71ip]

This would make masturbation a whole lot more efficient.

It could improve it or make it a night mare, I believe the latter.

The significance wasn't the fluidity of the hand but that it was controlled completely by a man's mind just as well as an ordinary biological hand. It's a breakthrough that has never been done before. As these projects get more funding and become more mainstream we will begin to see much more amazing stuff. Breakthroughs are happening all the time. I believe I linked it already but the first functioning molecular transistor was created the other day.

I kind of figured Big Mac was yanking my dick.

Either we stick with biological reproduction, or we go full on android and reproduce our children through manufacturing. Or, and this is the difficult one, we create a hybrid system where nanobots inside our cells modify our DNA on the fly, and possess arificial inteligence comparable to a human, but feed off our naturally occuring energy, so that if we die, they die. Which means they would have every incentive to continually modify our genes till we become gods.

I think the second option will probably be a transitional period until we have the technology to accomplish the third option, which will most likely be a second singularity.  

If you think that is cool, check this out --  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHJJQ0zNNOM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHJJQ0zNNOM)

Quote from: "Ultima22689"hence why I stopped responding, it's starting to get old.

It's all in good fun. People take the bait, I have a laugh so ergo I'm happy and therefore the world should be. Otherwise you hate America and support Al Qaeda.