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Hello, it's obvious that  proving a false theory  in mathematic we need just a one    "against example" .
Ok God make many challenges in the Holy Quran for the disbeliever.
For me i take 3 challenges ,we can say that any one win just 1 challenge he will prove that God doesn't exisit because God is unbeatable.
1-The first challenge:
i find a good explanation deals with this challenge wrote by muslim brother:"The Arabs of the 6th and 7th centuries CE were masters of the Arabic language. Eloquence and rhetoric were their lifeblood. The liveliness that marked their gatherings, the gaiety of their fairs, and the virtues of which they boasted, all found expression through poetry and literature. They were so proud of their literary accomplishments that they disdainfully dubbed all the other peoples of the world as “’Ajam” or “Dumb.” It was in this atmosphere that there appeared on the scene an unlettered person, Muhammad sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) . He presented before them an oration, and declared it to be the Word of Allaah, which claimed (what means):
“If mankind and the jinn were to gather together to produce the like of this Quran, they could never produce the like thereof, even if they backed up one another.” [Quran 17:88] " the end.
for more infromation go here http://www.55a.net/firas/en1/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=359:the-miracle-of-quran&catid=55:quran-exegesis&Itemid=109
also God says:"21. O ye people! Adore your Guardian-Lord, who created you and those who came before you, that ye may have the chance to learn righteousness;
22. Who has made the earth your couch, and the heavens your canopy; and sent down rain from the heavens; and brought forth therewith Fruits for your sustenance; then set not up rivals unto Allah when ye know (the truth).
23. And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true.
24. But if ye cannot- and of a surety ye cannot- then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith. [the cow]"
the conclusion that if you want to prove that God doesn't exist and the Quran is word of human beeing just write a Sura like the Quran, so in the first step try to learn the arabic language wich is the language of Quran.
just i want to say that masters of the Arabic language from the 6th centry to the 21th centry try to make this but they failed.
sorry,now i have to go i promise to give the two other challenge tomorrow inchaAllah.

Why would anyone want to learn arabic, just to disprove God? I do not feel the need to try and disprove the existence of Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, Zeus, Thor, the Invisible Pink Unicorn or any of the other products of the overactive imaginations of men. I don't even have to learn a different language for most of those so you have no chance.

I do not claim that there is a God, I merely claim that there is insufficient evidence supporting the existence of a God, for me to bother banging my head against the ground to try and earn his favour.

The burden of proof is on you as the one who is making the extraordinary claims, to provide extraordinary evidence in support of those claims.

omdatov....you need to learn how to format what you write into something that is easy to read.  You know...hit enter every now and then.

So...the short version of your challenge is for us all to go learn arabic?  I have more important things to do.  A truly powerful god would not have to make it so his word could only be read in one language.

There are other languages I am trying to learn, such as 日本語 and Español, and life is too short to dedicate years to something I don't even believe in.

Omdatov, I challenge you to disprove Odin. All you have to do is learn any of the Scandinavian languages and write a Norse saga.

omdatov, I would very much appreciate it if you were to familiarize yourself with the forum rules (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1522):

QuoteNO PREACHING: While everyone is welcome to discuss their views in a civil manner, this forum is not a podium for those that only wish to preach. This rule applies to atheists and theists alike.

I'm excited for you to share yourself with the Happy Atheist Forum, but if you're only here to preach this might not be the place for you.

QuoteNO PREACHING: While everyone is welcome to discuss their views in a civil manner, this forum is not a podium for those that only wish to preach. This rule applies to atheists and theists alike.

And what would an atheist preaching look like? Just out of curiosity....

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Quote from: "Sophus"

QuoteNO PREACHING: While everyone is welcome to discuss their views in a civil manner, this forum is not a podium for those that only wish to preach. This rule applies to atheists and theists alike.

lol...

It says that not only to be fair but because there are some atheists who wrongly think those who don't accept their reasons for being an atheist are not "true" atheists and then proceed to 'preach' about it.  I've come across more than one recently on atheist think tank and PalTalk...I think they aren't thinking.

Quote from: "Whitney"It says that not only to be fair but because there are some atheists who wrongly think those who don't accept their reasons for being an atheist are not "true" atheists and then proceed to 'preach' about it.  I've come across more than one recently on atheist think tank and PalTalk...I think they aren't thinking.

They're almost as bad as the fundies sometimes.

I have no time for trolls like this anymore. It's like a Mac user joining a PC forum. No amount of dialogue, no matter how sincere, on the part of the PC user is going to convert that Mac user if s/he's solely there to preach the Church of Apple.  

Quote from: "Karras"Omdatov, I challenge you to disprove Odin. All you have to do is learn any of the Scandinavian languages and write a Norse saga.

How  can you compare a God worshiped by more than 5 billion in the world (muslim,critian and jewish) and dozen of billion from the beginning of the humanity when Allah (God) create Adam, peace be upon him, who represent the father of all the humanity (not like Darwin alleged that the men was a monkey!!), untill this day
also Allah sent thousands of prophets to their nation and give them miracles which is proved in our modern science, Allah sent down more than one hundred celestial book the last one is the Quran which contains hundreds of miracles also the Quran is full of challenges to the disbeliever to prove that the Quran is wrong but from the 7th centry to this day their attemps is failed to prove that the Quran isn't word of God and be sure they will fail in the futur , God says that he will preserve our Quran and more than 1430 years passed and all the attempts to add or remove only a one letter is failed and it will fail in the futur.
so how can you compare the legend of Oden with the creator,all things in the world witness that he is the one God, just look to your self, to the sky with the infinte number of stars .......you will see the power of the creator.

2-The second challenge:
Allah says:"73. O men! Here is a parable set forth! listen to it! Those on whom, besides Allah, ye call, cannot create (even) a fly, if they all met together for the purpose! and if the fly should snatch away anything from them, they would have no power to release it from the fly. Feeble are those who petition and those whom they petition!
[Qu'ran 73]" , Allah knows that the humanity with this huge essor in science can't create even a fly,it's not by chance that Allah choose this small fly, ok the modern science prove that "
Fly extend  her mouth from the bottom of the head to the surface in front of it, this will produce a tube to absorb the food, if you look carefully to  the absorber tube  you will find that the extremity which toutches the surface of food is a bit huge like a vacuum cleaner. Then  the fly uses a liquid that enable her to analyze,lick and absorb the carbohydrates materials and others existing in the food and then these materials begin the degradation to become microscopic ones to let their absorption through the tube very easy .
flies do not have a complex digestive system that why it uses the external digestion by using the secretion liquid,so these microscopic materials (wich is digested outside the body) will enter to the digestive tube
parts are going to be absorbed in the blood cells to become part of the energy to enable it flying, other parts are transforming to the cells ,tissues and organic components,the last part is the garbage of fly.
=> Allah had create billion and billion of flys, the seven sky, the seven earth and all things (humans,animals,oceans...) between them
=> All the scientist of all the world couldn't create a small fly!!!
By the way, speaking about flys we have a Hadith which says:
    Narrated Abu Huraira:
    The Prophet said "If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease." (Sahih Al-Bukhari: Volume 4, Book 54, Number 537)
=>This hadith was written in more than 1430 years ago.
in few years ago there is an atheist who say "how can you muslims believe that the fly which carries many bacteria and parasites can have the cure for the disease? and how can you dip a fly in a drink then you drink it? it's illogic act and any minded person can't do this"   
 The surprise is at the beginning of experiences deals with the antidote and immunity using insects in the 20th centry, an australian doctor who's named "Juan Clark" found that the fly carries in its outside surface antidotes which is the cure for many diseases!!!  
for more infromation try to read this topic http://thequranmiracles.canalblog.com/archives/insects_miracles/index.html
 Finally the third challenge i will write it tomorrow inchaAllah.
 Please i have a simple request : if someone want to reply or critic what's written here ,i want him to be  exact in answering and don't write anything about anything .
 thanx

Quote from: "omdatov"How  can you compare a God worshiped by more than 5 billion in the world (muslim,critian and jewish) and dozen of billion from the beginning of the humanity when Allah (God) create Adam, peace be upon him, who represent the father of all the humanity (not like Darwin alleged that the men was a monkey!!)

The same way you can compare a Jane Austen book with the movie Clueless: they're both fictional accounts, one of which is vastly more popular than the other (I'll leave it to you to decide which is which   ). Popularity does not presume reality, otherwise there'd be a Death Star somewhere out in space and the Jonas Brothers would be good musicians.

omdatov, please read the forum rules your "challenges" are just preaching and not a discussion topic.  There is nothing to discuss when you are basically saying "god did it" in respect to flies.  This is your second rules reminder (maybe third if another moderator has reminded you since the first reminder), you will be getting warnings after this (if you read the rules you'll know how that process works too).

The quality of your posts does not really improve with time Omdatov, save perhaps comedy value.

Argument from popularity and argument from "look at the stars dammit" in one post. That's two logical fallacies for the price of one.

Considering your "holy" scribblings also make such a big deal out of killing Jews and other non-Muslims, I think you have a lot of nerve declaring Jews and Christians to be allies as well.

Odin is just as credible as your skydaddy. Gods are not proven or disproven, they just win or lose popularity contests. Yours is currently pretty popular. Big deal!

I have zero interest in trying to disprove your god, just as I have zero interest in disproving Odin. I do however have plenty of interest in throwing as much ridicule your way as forum rules allow.

You believe in Allah, I believe in the Mysterious Stranger:

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Hello evry body,are you ready for the third challenge!!
3-third challenge:
In the Holy Quran ( also in Hadith) Allah and Mohammad, peace be upon him, are ordering us to do or not to do many things .
It means that when Allah and Mohammad, peace be upon him, order us to do something  it must have benifit for the humanity, and when they order us to not to do something it means that it's harmful for us.
So the callenge consist in : can any atheist prove that Allah and Mohammad, peace be upon him, order us to do something that it's harmful for us or order us to not to do something that it has benifits for the humanity,for infromation the Holy Quran and Hadith contain hundreds of orders.
i will choose one as an example is the prohibition of the pork , many disbelievers tease of muslims and say the pork still a meat of cattle why your God forbid it,it's so silly!!
the answer for this question is here http://www.55a.net/en/miracles/a059.php.

Does this actually interest anyone? Sometimes a theist makes an interesting argument. Sometimes they misunderstand something and I think it's worth explaining what they don't understand or pointing them to an appropriate source of information. Is this worth your response?

Quote from: "AlP"Does this actually interest anyone? Sometimes a theist makes an interesting argument. Sometimes they misunderstand something and I think it's worth explaining what they don't understand or pointing them to an appropriate source of information. Is this worth your response?

...is it supposed to be interesting? I've seen C-SPAN sessions on mute that are more interesting.