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Ok, I'm going to start rough because I need to get this out, I'm having some really serious issues with fucking PETA.

I used to think that they were just FOR animals. Which, I admit, I don't mind. I can understand that we don't want to abuse animals, we want to encourage pet adoption, we want to avoid excessive abuse of farm animals -- but the SPCA does that as well.

The SPCA, however, doesn't do this:

QuoteIn Wake of Shooting, PETA Urges Both Sides in Abortion Debate to Go Vegetarian

Wichita, Kan. -- With the debate between pro-choice and pro-life adherents rekindled following the shocking murder of abortion provider Dr. George Tiller at a Wichita church on Sunday, PETA plans to place two billboards in the city. One features the text "Pro-Life? Go Vegetarian" and the other reads, "Pro-Choice? Choose Vegetarian." The group hopes that the ads will help Wichita residents on both sides of the controversy find common ground in concern for the suffering of billions of living beings horrifically abused on factory farms and in slaughterhouses.
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http://www.peta.org/mc/NewsItem.asp?id=13131

WHAT -- THE -- FUCK?!

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Dr. Tiller's body wasn't even cold and PETA exploits the death of one of the few doctors left who perform late term abortions, a hero to desperate women everywhere, to promote their stupid bullshit about farming practices or vegetarianism.

I knew PETA was a bit on the extreme side, but I never really cared to look into PETA until the 2008 CA referendum where both Prop 2 and Prop 8 passed -- giving more rights to farm animals while taking away rights from homosexuals. And I had to pause -- and ask myself, "How the hell did that happen?" How can people care about animals more than they care about other people? I didn't get it; I couldn't wrap my head around it.

Then I realized it, it's PETA. It's PETA and idiots who think like PETA who, for whatever reason, put other animals before people.

Here's another of PETA's projects I came across:

QuoteRead PETA's letter to Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield

September 23, 2008

Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield, Cofounders

Ben & Jerry's Homemade Inc.

Dear Mr. Cohen and Mr. Greenfield,

On behalf of PETA and our more than 2 million members and supporters, I'd like to bring your attention to an innovative new idea from Switzerland that would bring a unique twist to Ben and Jerry's.

Storchen restaurant is set to unveil a menu that includes soups, stews, and sauces made with at least 75 percent breast milk procured from human donors who are paid in exchange for their milk. If Ben and Jerry's replaced the cow's milk in its ice cream with breast milk, your customers-and cows-would reap the benefits.
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http://www.wptz.com/news/17539127/detail.html (http://www.wptz.com/news/17539127/detail.html)

More here: http://www.peta.org/mc/NewsItem.asp?id=12015 (http://www.peta.org/mc/NewsItem.asp?id=12015)

The campaign is linked to this:

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What he hell is going on at PETA? Does PETA know where human breast milk comes from and how we get it? Women only produce breast milk during and for some time after pregnancy -- essentially PETA is advocating to take milk away from infants to protect cows.

Secondly, the link between milk and autism is through casein supported by testimonials and non-double-blinded studies brought to us by the same idiots who brought us the MMR vaccine-autism causality -- that is to say that there is no provable link between casein (or gluten for that matter) and autism, and that every controlled and clinical trial indicates that there is no link between casein, and thereby milk, and autism.

Look, I care about animals -- I just don't care about animals more than I care about people.

I donated money to PETA once and if there was a way to get my money back I would. My boycotting of PETA won't affect them in any tangible by since I never intended to give them money even before I found all this crap.

If you do donate to PETA, please look at some of their projects and really ask yourself if it's worth your money. Please, I beg you, look into PETA and decide for yourself if it is worth any support at all.

Oh, right, PeTA... People for Extortion, Terrorism and Abuse. I know them.  

Quote from: "curiosityandthecat"Oh, right, PeTA... People for Extortion, Terrorism and Abuse. I know them.  

Has PETA always been this full of shit or is this something new?

A true PETA member would not eat anything that is alive...after all, who are we to decide to end the life of an innocent plant.

PETA is a nutball organization.  I like animals, I think they should have rights as far as humane treatment is concerned.  However, we all need to eat (including the carnivore animals) and not everyone likes veggies and not everyone can be healthy on a vegetarian diet.

Have you heard of the idiots who try to make their pet cats vegetarians...guess what they end up with?  Dead cats.

PeTA is an organization that values animal life over human life, run by a woman, Ingrid Newkirk, whose synthetic insulin was developed by testing on animals.

Hellooooo...

 

Check out Penn & Teller's Bullshit! episode about them. It's entertaining and mind-numbing at the same time.

Quote from: "Whitney"A true PETA member would not eat anything that is alive...after all, who are we to decide to end the life of an innocent plant.

PETA is a nutball organization.  I like animals, I think they should have rights as far as humane treatment is concerned.  However, we all need to eat (including the carnivore animals) and not everyone likes veggies and not everyone can be healthy on a vegetarian diet.

Have you heard of the idiots who try to make their pet cats vegetarians...guess what they end up with?  Dead cats.

I totally know what you mean.

Whenever I talk to vegetarians or vegans about eating meat I get this half-formed un-refined argument that eating meat is a form of human exceptionalism; that farming and raising animals for the express purpose of consuming them is unnatural and wrong -- as though the state of something being natural or unnatural made it good or evil, and constructing a weak wall separating what is natural vs unnatural. Even ignoring the fact that some species of ants have agriculture, and that some ants raise caterpillars for the purpose of milking them, and the idea that we have put ourselves a step ahead of other animals by eating them is a fallacious one -- because other animals also eat other animals; even if we ignore all that, the analogism of natural/unnatural to good/bad is an ignorant and stupid one. Cancer is absolutely natural, but I wouldn't advocate that anyone get it. Glasses are absolutely unnatural but I wouldn't smash another person's glasses because of their unnaturalness.

(There are idiots who go on Oprah (damn Oprah) and say that synthetic vitamins are poison or worthless while *natural* vitamins are life savers. They advocate against drinking milk with Vitamin D (because of that stupid, refuted claim that casein in milk causes autism) in favor of sitting in the sun -- and getting skin cancer, presumably. They totally ignore the fact that most *unnatural* vitamins are produced in laboratories with the same metabolic processes that *natural* vitamins are made and that most *natural* and *unnatural* vitamins have the same effectiveness to the exception of Vitamin E for which laboratories have not been able to control the stereochemistry and have only been able to produce racemic mixtures of the vitamin.)

I will admit that I make a conscious effort to eat less meat and to avoid eating, at any one time, excessively more meat than my body can process into muscle; I don't like to waste meat so I restrict how much I consume to what my body can integrate.

There is nothing exceptional about eating animals, predation is a reality of nature. It happens. That we do it too is the exact opposite of human exceptionalism. But even if it wasn't natural, even if no other animal ate another animal, the nutritional benefits of eating meat and the necessity of having animal protein ready for growing children and adults who want to maintain muscle mass throughout their life is reason enough to eat meat.

QuoteWhat he hell is going on at PETA? Does PETA know where human breast milk comes from and how we get it? Women only produce breast milk during and for some time after pregnancy -- essentially PETA is advocating to take milk away from infants to protect cows.

Most things that lactate will continue to lactate so long as there is something drawing the milk from the breasts.  Think about dairy cows, they get preggers once and because they are milked twice a day after the calf is old enough to be weaned the cow continues to produce milk.  People are the same way.

I'm an odd ball and I have a different take on PETA.  Three words.

Evil

Super

Genius  

I'm sure that most of the members/supports of PETA are bat shit crazy and are nothing more than mindless foot soldiers in the PETA machine.  But I think that within the highest ranks of the PETA leadership somebody got the bright idea that to see anything change in any incremental way you have to push for an extreme position that advocates for something way farther than what your target is.

Example:

PETA advocates a total vegan diet.  PETA makes lots of noise about the benefits of being vegan and why eating meat is bad.  PETA uses methods that offend lots of people.  People start talking and often come to the conclusion that, on some points they agree with PETA but don't really like the organization.  People try to find a middle ground between eating excessive amounts of conventionally produced meat and eating nothing but veggies.  People start to pay attention to what they are eating, where it comes from, start small organic/natural farms that provide for a local customer base (organic chicken, grass feed and finished beef, raw milk, home made cheese, locally harvested honey, local in season pesticide free produce, etc).

So people who kinda agree with some of what the PETA people agitate for decide that they don't like how either PETA behaves or how the current system functions and create a third way.  Hooray for market systems!

I would like to agree, but I don't think they're that smart. Any popular shift towards being more healthy is a side-effect and not the intention of PETA's ridiculous campaigns.

I don't think this result is a third way so much as it's a false balance. Apart from the idiots who advocate the Atkins diet (who aren't nearly as loud but equally as stupid as PETA), there are no groups who advocate for the exclusive consumption of animals. There are no even slightly legitimate organizations who advocate for the abuse of animals. The line is between people who don't abuse animals and PETA who says that those people do abuse animals. The "third way" is making un-guilty people feel guilt for something they don't do, and that's wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I love some of what PETA does. Naked girls, painted up, in cages, in public places is always enjoyable -- for me. If that was all PETA did, I'd be all for it. They could advocate whatever the hell they wanted, if they did it like that I would be fine. But they don't work like that -- unfortunately. People take PETA seriously, and that's the problem.

My objection to PETA is the same objection I have against Jenny McCarthy, Jim Carrey, and their ilk who advocate against vaccination. Their aim is clear but what will the results be if they succeed? Is the "third way" really preferable to the norm?

What is the aim of PETA's advocating against animal testing -- unless it's human testing or no testing at all. Both of which would halt almost all medical and biological and psychological research as the former would never be permitted and the latter would end it outright. What is the purpose of lying about medical research practices except to end research? There are already strict ethical standards with respect to animal testing not to mention clinical reasons to avoid abuse of test subjects. Any "third way" in that respect is unacceptable.

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This is why PETA deserves to be massacared by a gentetically altered cow.

QuoteI don't think this result is a third way so much as it's a false balance. Apart from the idiots who advocate the Atkins diet (who aren't nearly as loud but equally as stupid as PETA), there are no groups who advocate for the exclusive consumption of animals. There are no even slightly legitimate organizations who advocate for the abuse of animals. The line is between people who don't abuse animals and PETA who says that those people do abuse animals. The "third way" is making un-guilty people feel guilt for something they don't do, and that's wrong.

I guess I didn't do a good enough job of stating my point.  It wasn't about finding a balance but letting people know that there are other ways to think about your food.  PETA says if its got a face and you eat it, you've murdered it.  Agri-biz says it doesn't matter if people in New York eat tomatoes from Mexico instead of growing their own (or purchasing the produce from a more local source).  People in both camps can do whatever they want, but there are probably a lot of people who have never thought much about their food (like where it comes from, how it was produced).  

So PETA goes out and acts like a bunch of assholes in their attempts to push people into a viewpoint that many may consider extreme only wind up opening an avenue for those who do not believe that animals should be raised in battery cages but don't mind eating the animal when its raised in a different manner.  

Its not about balance, just doing things a different way.

Jolly has a good point, in that people need to know where their food comes from. I mean, I've seen slaughterhouses and I still eat beef, so it didn't change my view, per se, but it still seems important.

Jamie Oliver's Fowl Dinners (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=187CA3C2C40D5241&search_query=fowl+dinner) is a good place to start.

PETA's dead. The barrage of stupid ad campaigns over the past 10 years have sealed the tomb forever. It was over long before sea kittens.

Quote from: "Will"PETA's dead. The barrage of stupid ad campaigns over the past 10 years have sealed the tomb forever. It was over long before sea kittens.

AAAHHHHH who's that person on your avatar?!  ;)

Quote from: "curiosityandthecat"Jolly has a good point, in that people need to know where their food comes from. I mean, I've seen slaughterhouses and I still eat beef, so it didn't change my view, per se, but it still seems important.

Jamie Oliver's Fowl Dinners (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=187CA3C2C40D5241&search_query=fowl+dinner) is a good place to start.

Omnivores Dilemma and Fast Food Nation were pretty good books.

PETA is an interesting organization and although their views on most things are extreme to the average Joe at least they are consistent in their loonacy.  You know exactly where those people stand, and they don't bend or waver and are actually pretty effective when they get their minds/hearts set on things.

It is interesting that the two bilboards related to the abortion terminology has vegetarian listed on it because they advocate staunch veganism,.  But, I guess they figure if they posted that word on those billboards people would flee.  Vegan is kind of like atheist, it scares people.  Although vegans are actually scary and ethical vegans are extremely militant!

The factory farms are horrendous, and it's not intentional but it's unfortunately a reality when we consider the number of meat-eaters there are.  It's not like sweet little family farms would be able to manage our population.  So, I'm glad there are more people moving towards vegetarianism, and there are people willing to consume less meat for health reasons or whatever, so those conditions may change some in the future.  However, stating that the process of harvesting honey is torture and cruel to bees, that fish experience suffering, and that the milk I drink is full of infectous pus is freakin' ridiculous.

They've definitely drawn a lin in the sand.  And filled it in with concrete!  Nothing surprises me when it comes to their campaigns, statements, or marketing tools.

Makes one wonder why celebrities are drawn to PETA and Scientology when they're obviously both bat shit insane. Is it just a kind of gravity, a snowball effect? Power draws power toward it, that sort of thing? Still, wow, stupid.

Sometimes I think people join PETA because they just want to be a part of a cause, and PETA is well know. I mean, if they were truly passionate about saving the lives of animals, they'd join Sea Shepherd (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Shepherd_Conservation_Society), you know?   Throwing red paint on fur coats is pretty weak compared to throwing bottles of acid onto the deck of a Japanese whaling ship.

Quote from: "curiosityandthecat"Makes one wonder why celebrities are drawn to PETA and Scientology when they're obviously both bat shit insane. Is it just a kind of gravity, a snowball effect? Power draws power toward it, that sort of thing? Still, wow, stupid.

Sometimes I think people join PETA because they just want to be a part of a cause, and PETA is well know. I mean, if they were truly passionate about saving the lives of animals, they'd join Sea Shepherd (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Shepherd_Conservation_Society), you know?   Throwing red paint on fur coats is pretty weak compared to throwing bottles of acid onto the deck of a Japanese whaling ship.

Maybe it's like those Operation Rescue nuts who don't openly advocate the murder of doctors and the bombing and vandalism of clinics, but knowingly generate the conditions such that violent and criminal vigilantism is inevitable.

The raiding of medical research labs may be evidence of that. The fact that university level researches have changed documentation standards to make themselves more anonymous in fear of these groups.

In my last year at University they closed down all roads onto campus because of a bomb threat made to the university's medical school and medical research center.

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Quote from: "VanReal"The factory farms are horrendous, and it's not intentional but it's unfortunately a reality when we consider the number of meat-eaters there are.  It's not like sweet little family farms would be able to manage our population.  So, I'm glad there are more people moving towards vegetarianism, and there are people willing to consume less meat for health reasons or whatever, so those conditions may change some in the future.  However, stating that the process of harvesting honey is torture and cruel to bees, that fish experience suffering, and that the milk I drink is full of infectous pus is freakin' ridiculous.

So is there a consensus among scientific community about the fish not experiencing suffering? I'm just curious I guess, don't really know much about the issue, have been fishing and at least it seems that the fish is not enjoying but it sure is hard to tell what it experiences. What Is It Like to Be a Bat (http://filosofia.fi/node/787), like Nagel puts it.

I have been de facto vegetarian since 2003, right after the army service (I think it would be a somewhat bad idea to be a veggie in the Finnish military). De facto, namely because I'd accept non-factory meat, but it was not regularly available, at least not then, so it was easier to just refrain from meat altogether. Fish for me is the same thing, it is not usually available ethically. My cousin is an elk hunter, and I got some of that stuff from him earlier.

I too think that PETA is an interesting organization! We don't have anything quite like that in Finland, although you may have heard about ALF (Animal Liberation Front), but it is decentralized so I don't know whether it can be compared to an organization like that. Occasionally they strike to a mink or fox farm and liberate the animals. Stupid of course, since these are fierce predators and not native here so they just pillage the wildlife near the farm. I think the farming is unnecessary and cruel business though, we don't actually need the fur, and the cages are way too small for growing that kind of animals without immense suffering.

Peter Singer is a good read, I think.

Edit: Oh, and I'm not sure how wise it is to irritate a group like PETA with photos like that? Provoking worked so well for Harry Harlow!

Quote from: "VanReal"The factory farms are horrendous, and it's not intentional but it's unfortunately a reality when we consider the number of meat-eaters there are.  It's not like sweet little family farms would be able to manage our population.  

There are things in between that would work OK.  But in the 80's, small to moderate farms and large but not gigantic farms collapsed.  Government subsidies to corporate farms made it impossible for non-corporate farms to compete and the economy finished them off.  

I also think people, domestic animals, and the environment would benefit greatly if people consumed less meat.  If people could reduce their meat consumption, those 'large but not gigantic' farms would be enough.

Quote from: "Kylyssa"There are things in between that would work OK.  But in the 80's, small to moderate farms and large but not gigantic farms collapsed.  Government subsidies to corporate farms made it impossible for non-corporate farms to compete and the economy finished them off.  

I also think people, domestic animals, and the environment would benefit greatly if people consumed less meat.  If people could reduce their meat consumption, those 'large but not gigantic' farms would be enough.

I agree.  Less consumption alone would benefit people healthwise, benefit the animals, and the environment but I think we are a long way off from convincing, americans at least, that we don't have to have scrumptous body parts on our plate for each meal.  It's hard to change that way of thinking, especially here in Texas, home of the huge servings and yummy barbecue!  As long as we consume as we do there's not much hope for changes in farming.  I guess it's one of those things we do what we are comfortable with.

Quote from: "guest"So is there a consensus among scientific community about the fish not experiencing suffering? I'm just curious I guess, don't really know much about the issue, have been fishing and at least it seems that the fish is not enjoying but it sure is hard to tell what it experiences. What Is It Like to Be a Bat, like Nagel puts it.

No, I don't think there is any consensus on that.  I don't think the fish are enjoying it either, and I am sure they experience pain, they have a brain and nerve ending.  I just don't think they are released from the hook (in a catch and release for example) and then wallow around in the water thinking about the terrible ordeal they experienced.  It's of course my opinion, I just don't find it to be the same as say stringing or boxing up a baby lamb so it can't move and will be nice and tender for eating later.  Maybe I'm a "fishist".

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Quote from: "guest"So is there a consensus among scientific community about the fish not experiencing suffering? I'm just curious I guess, don't really know much about the issue, have been fishing and at least it seems that the fish is not enjoying but it sure is hard to tell what it experiences. What Is It Like to Be a Bat, like Nagel puts it.

No, I don't think there is any consensus on that.  I don't think the fish are enjoying it either, and I am sure they experience pain, they have a brain and nerve ending.  I just don't think they are released from the hook (in a catch and release for example) and then wallow around in the water thinking about the terrible ordeal they experienced.  It's of course my opinion, I just don't find it to be the same as say stringing or boxing up a baby lamb so it can't move and will be nice and tender for eating later.  Maybe I'm a "fishist".

Yeah, and I've heard about goldfish memory, like in the movie Memento, the fish can no longer remember what happened a moment ago. Although on Mythbusters it seemed that they were able to teach a goldfish to swim through a simple maze... That is certainly not the same thing, I agree that treating a lamb the same way as fish would indeed be crueler (is that a word, even?). Maybe it is partly because a lamb resembles us more than fish.

And while I think that while it is indeed laughable to think that bees suffer from honey harvesting, for example it would be somewhat unethical to allow kids to tear wings or otherwise freely torture bees. For example compared to playing with plants or non-living material, it seems to me that there is some difference.

I guess there is same kind of warped reason to give credit for PETA because of their policy of treating all animal life the same, as with the pro-life people or fundamentalists in general: at least they are consistent! Nevermind that it verges on insanity...  

In the issue of animal rights I feel like being the Liberal Christian (or as I myself like to call em: New Age Christian), I get ridiculed both from fundies (vegans), and atheists (carnivores) alike for being inconsistent.

I believe when PETA made the ad stating studies show autism and cow milk were related, they were using logic based on coincidence. just because an autistic person drinks cow milk, does not mean they are related. coincidences are real.

Quote from: "disposablechild"I believe when PETA made the ad stating studies show autism and cow milk were related, they were using logic based on coincidence. just because an autistic person drinks cow milk, does not mean they are related. coincidences are real.

Yeah, it's basically the ice cream/murder correlation everyone learned in Psych 101. Violent crime goes up in the summer. So does the sale of ice cream. Therefore, the two are directly related.  

I think celebs etc join PETA without really thinking about it.

"Yea, helping animals, I can't see anyway that could be bad, YAY PETA!"

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This statement is slightly off topic but what does PETA expect us to do?

If we all went vegan or just vegetarian we would still have to hire hunters and traps to kill animals. If we did not then there would be no crops left to eat. I mean we are far from the only species that eats this stuff. This is what crop growers do now and have always had to do.

This is a fact in nearly all agricultural activity. So no matter what food product we eat will be funding farmers to kill animals on our behalf instead of doing it ourselves.

That said I think since animals experience pain they should be treated in the most humane way possible but I still do not think that gives them full rights like that of a human. You need to be able to be cognitive of human rights to get them. What i mean is you need to be able to understand why attacking someones house is wrong. Now not all humans follow that ethic but they can understand it even if they do not believe in that ethic. Therefore those who break into houses can be held morally responsible whereas a Gorilla cannot be since they are not cognitive of abstract thought (though they are an amazingly smart and respectable species).

Nor do all  humans even get the full extent of rights. Growing children and the insane cannot sign contracts or vote since they cannot grasp the situations involved.

Quote from: "Moses"Nor do all  humans even get the full extent of rights. Growing children and the insane cannot sign contracts or vote since they cannot grasp the situations involved.

Well, a question pops in to mind, why don't we eat them then? Or better yet, some who just is not cognitive of human rights (and will not be in the future), for example people who were born as "a veggie"?

I used to be a vegetarian. I also thought peta was only around for people who didn't like animal abuse.    Stupid me.

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Quote from: "Moses"Nor do all  humans even get the full extent of rights. Growing children and the insane cannot sign contracts or vote since they cannot grasp the situations involved.

Well, a question pops in to mind, why don't we eat them then? Or better yet, some who just is not cognitive of human rights (and will not be in the future), for example people who were born as "a veggie"?

Well children are developing cognition so they do have rights since the potential is there.

The insane are far more cognitive than animals. For instance a mentally retarded adult is far more capable of reason than a dog or ape.

Hence laws that restrict the actions of incapable humans tend to be there to protect them. As far as people born "veggie" I think that might be up to the parents afterall I dont have a problem with euthanisia in certain circumstances. Now when it comes to eating them there is a whole host of public health issues. For instance cannabilization as a practise leads to all sorts of diseases.


Cannabilism:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg1 ... ealth.html (http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg15821350.900-warning-cannibalism-is-bad-for-your-health.html)

Wow.

Humans FIRST.

Really, don't be suprised that PETA is full of nutcases and morons, they realized rational protest wasn't in vogue so they waded into the pool of douschebaggery, the more shocking the better. (though the naked celebrities were nice).

There was a brilliant Penn & Teller: Bullshit episode on this. It's on YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAt1z_TgPQ4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAt1z_TgPQ4).
I love these guys.

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Quote from: "Moses"Nor do all  humans even get the full extent of rights. Growing children and the insane cannot sign contracts or vote since they cannot grasp the situations involved.

Well, a question pops in to mind, why don't we eat them then? Or better yet, some who just is not cognitive of human rights (and will not be in the future), for example people who were born as "a veggie"?

Well children are developing cognition so they do have rights since the potential is there.

Your'e pro-life then, because every fetus has the potential to develop cognition too?

Quote from: "Moses"The insane are far more cognitive than animals. For instance a mentally retarded adult is far more capable of reason than a dog or ape.

That depends, really. What would you think about those people that are cabable to same kind of reason (or lower) as an ape?

Quote from: "Moses"Hence laws that restrict the actions of incapable humans tend to be there to protect them. As far as people born "veggie" I think that might be up to the parents afterall I dont have a problem with euthanisia in certain circumstances. Now when it comes to eating them there is a whole host of public health issues. For instance cannabilization as a practise leads to all sorts of diseases.

Cannabilism:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg1 ... ealth.html (http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg15821350.900-warning-cannibalism-is-bad-for-your-health.html)

Yep, mostly problems with cannibalism result from poor handling of the meat though, like with Kuru. If the meat is well cooked, then there should be no health problems!

I'm sorry if I sound combative or that I try to take a higher moral ground, I don't, but I have noticed that there are no simple answers either.