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Title: Fun Excercise
Post by: perspective on May 21, 2009, 07:30:55 PM
Ok you bunch of atheists. Ok pretending to be Christian, what would you say is the strongest argument FOR Christianity. Meaning if you had to be on the Christian side of the debate what would you say? (I can hear the clicking of mocking being typed out already), but do try to be serious and give it thought.  :pop:
Title: Re: Fun Excercise
Post by: curiosityandthecat on May 21, 2009, 08:16:46 PM
Fear.

The fear that there could just be a pit of lava waiting for people who don't abide by God's law.

Fear is religion's best friend, especially Christianity.
Title: Re: Fun Excercise
Post by: Wendy on May 21, 2009, 08:26:39 PM
This was fun! I couldn't think of anything.
Title: Re: Fun Excercise
Post by: Whitney on May 21, 2009, 09:17:30 PM
Quote from: "Wendy"This was fun! I couldn't think of anything.

Same here....there are no strong arguments for Christianity.  At some point someone just decides they like Christianity better than some other religion (or were raised to like Christianity best) then start figuring out how they can support that position.  

I guess the only argument that holds any water (even though it is an argument from popularity) is that they are currently the most followed religion in the world.  Still, that is only if you count all Christians as TRUE Christians.  I think we all know most Christians aren't willing to do that.  But, this is just as strong of evidence as the videos people have of big foot and UFOs; something was caught on video; but we can't be sure it is what they want us to think it is.

Even most Christians will admit that it takes faith to think Christianity is true because they know there isn't any hard evidence.
Title: Re: Fun Excercise
Post by: McQ on May 21, 2009, 09:39:22 PM
Quote from: "perspective"Ok you bunch of atheists. Ok pretending to be Christian, what would you say is the strongest argument FOR Christianity. Meaning if you had to be on the Christian side of the debate what would you say? (I can hear the clicking of mocking being typed out already), but do try to be serious and give it thought.  :pop:

Strongest argument?

The belief I once held. That I believed out of faith. No proof, no need to prove. Because I wanted to believe, so I did.
Title: Re: Fun Excercise
Post by: templeboy on May 22, 2009, 12:14:24 AM
The argument from personal experience. They can say "I've experienced god, thats proof for me, I know it doesn't hold any water for you, but if only you would open your heart to god, you would feel him yourself."

But there are so many lines of reply to this...hit me with them!
Title: Re: Fun Excercise
Post by: rlrose328 on May 22, 2009, 12:23:48 AM
Quote from: "perspective"Ok you bunch of atheists. Ok pretending to be Christian, what would you say is the strongest argument FOR Christianity. Meaning if you had to be on the Christian side of the debate what would you say? (I can hear the clicking of mocking being typed out already), but do try to be serious and give it thought.  :beer:
Title: Re: Fun Excercise
Post by: Whitney on May 22, 2009, 12:29:45 AM
Quote from: "rlrose328"Potlucks.  I miss a good church potluck.   :beer:

lol...you can't have the beer at a church potluck.
Title: Re: Fun Excercise
Post by: rlrose328 on May 22, 2009, 12:32:43 AM
Quote from: "Whitney"
Quote from: "rlrose328"Potlucks.  I miss a good church potluck.   :pop:  ??    :D
Title: Re: Fun Excercise
Post by: Wendy on May 22, 2009, 12:37:15 AM
Quote from: "rlrose328"
Quote from: "perspective"Ok you bunch of atheists. Ok pretending to be Christian, what would you say is the strongest argument FOR Christianity. Meaning if you had to be on the Christian side of the debate what would you say? (I can hear the clicking of mocking being typed out already), but do try to be serious and give it thought.  :beer:

Oh that is a good one. You could always hit a funeral in a church once in a while, they usually have a good potluck after those.
Title: Re: Fun Excercise
Post by: curiosityandthecat on May 22, 2009, 12:39:26 AM
Quote from: "Whitney"lol...you can't have the beer at a church potluck.
Then that's no church I want to be a part of!  :beer:
Title: Re: Fun Excercise
Post by: Whitney on May 22, 2009, 01:48:14 AM
Quote from: "Wendy"Oh that is a good one. You could always hit a funeral in a church once in a while, they usually have a good potluck after those.

I prefer free-thinker pot lucks.  You don't have to sit through a sermon and you can have beer.  :beer:
Title: Re: Fun Excercise
Post by: Wendy on May 22, 2009, 03:28:01 AM
Quote from: "Whitney"
Quote from: "Wendy"Oh that is a good one. You could always hit a funeral in a church once in a while, they usually have a good potluck after those.

I prefer free-thinker pot lucks.  You don't have to sit through a sermon and you can have beer.  :P
Title: Re: Fun Excercise
Post by: Will on May 22, 2009, 03:49:11 AM
Quote from: "perspective"Ok you bunch of atheists. Ok pretending to be Christian, what would you say is the strongest argument FOR Christianity. Meaning if you had to be on the Christian side of the debate what would you say? (I can hear the clicking of mocking being typed out already), but do try to be serious and give it thought.  :pop:
My strongest argument would read something like this:
 "Faith doesn't work in the same way logic or reason work. Faith isn't a matter of fact or evidence, it's a matter of an entirely subjective and unique experience. In the same way that some experiences can't be quantified, faith in the supernatural cannot be quantified. The mere attempt at trying to "prove" god or faith would be a contradiction."
... but I'm afraid it would still be very easy for your average atheist to tear holes in this.
Title: Re: Fun Excercise
Post by: Sophus on May 22, 2009, 05:56:26 AM
"God is a comedian playing to an audience to afraid to laugh."

The only way any of it would make any sense.
Title: Re: Fun Excercise
Post by: karadan on May 22, 2009, 09:00:08 AM
If you lack any moral fiber and have no regard for your fellow human, you can become obscenely rich through christianity in the US. Just make a church!
Title: Re: Fun Excercise
Post by: SektionTen on May 23, 2009, 03:38:39 AM
I'd say the best argument a christian to make is that Jesus will solve all of your problems. I mean, who doesn't want everything to be easy peasy, with no responsibility for their actions so long as they "repent"? That's probably the most tantalizing seduction of all, but only the weak succumb to it.  :cool:
Title: Re: Fun Excercise
Post by: curiosityandthecat on May 23, 2009, 02:00:35 PM
Quote from: "SektionTen"I'd say the best argument a christian to make is that Jesus will solve all of your problems. I mean, who doesn't want everything to be easy peasy, with no responsibility for their actions so long as they "repent"? That's probably the most tantalizing seduction of all, but only the weak succumb to it.  :cool:
Just goes to show that people, by and large, would rather have false comfort than uncomfortable truth.
Title: Re: Fun Excercise
Post by: Sophus on May 24, 2009, 06:57:50 PM
You know, I try to think like Christians a lot of the time. But I just can't get my head that far up my ass.
Title: Re: Fun Excercise
Post by: jcm on May 24, 2009, 11:13:34 PM
Everlasting life? Who wouldn’t want that? Now, if I could only believe it were true.
Title: Re: Fun Excercise
Post by: ProRealism on May 25, 2009, 01:12:05 AM
Quote from: "McQ"Strongest argument?

The belief I once held. That I believed out of faith. No proof, no need to prove. Because I wanted to believe, so I did.
I think that's a good enough answer as long as you don't go around pushing it on other people.

Though if I were going to make some argument about Christianity being "right" I'd say something about social conformity and the dangers of being metaphorically burned like a modern day witch or shunned otherwise.

Quote from: "SektionTen"I'd say the best argument a christian to make is that Jesus will solve all of your problems. I mean, who doesn't want everything to be easy peasy, with no responsibility for their actions so long as they "repent"? That's probably the most tantalizing seduction of all, but only the weak succumb to it.  :cool:
I think that's the worst part of Christianity to be honest.
If you're going to hold a set of beliefs you should at least be loyal to your own subjectivity rather than asking forgiveness for your own inconsistency. That pretty much makes anything you believe invalid if you consider it all excusable yet still "wrong".

The entire concept of that is somewhat mind blowing to me. "I personally believe it's wrong but I'm going to do it anyway" Well... uh how the fuck was it "wrong" then?
Title: Re: Fun Excercise
Post by: Caligula's Ghost on May 25, 2009, 05:28:46 PM
Strongest argument...?  For me...I'm going to have to say those pretty young things going to church all dressed up in their finest clothes.  Though they were clean on the outside their soul reeked of weed, booze, sex and sweat from the previous night.  Yeah I really miss that.  The more involved at the church I was the more the girls seemed to want to pollute my "soul".  Nothing was more sexy to them than a corruptible man.  And boy I was impressionable at that age.  (https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc00.deviantart.com%2Ffs24%2Ff%2F2007%2F311%2Ff%2F4%2F_innocent__rvmp_by_bad_blood.gif&hash=e6f03569ddf4a4e87bb629a9c098a8b62e86c435)

Even when I had "given up the ghost" I stuck around mainly because it was like shooting fish in a barrel.  So strange though, I didn't try to lure "good" Christian girls into doing anything bad.  They "lured" me.  (https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc04.deviantart.com%2Ffs18%2Ff%2F2007%2F158%2F6%2F8%2FHaha_emoticon_by_smiekie.gif&hash=fa7f6b2992cd050d589a02f6543aa2005a402dfd)
Title: Re: Fun Excercise
Post by: curiosityandthecat on May 25, 2009, 05:31:45 PM
Quote from: "Caligula's Ghost"Strongest argument...?  For me...I'm going to have to say those pretty young things going to church all dressed up in their finest clothes.  Though they were clean on the outside their soul reeked of weed, booze, sex and sweat from the previous night.  Yeah I really miss that.  The more involved at the church I was the more the girls seemed to want to pollute my "soul".  (https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc00.deviantart.com%2Ffs24%2Ff%2F2007%2F311%2Ff%2F4%2F_innocent__rvmp_by_bad_blood.gif&hash=e6f03569ddf4a4e87bb629a9c098a8b62e86c435)

Even when I had "given up the ghost" I stuck around mainly because it was like shooting fish in a barrel.  So strange though, I didn't try to lure "good" Christian girls into doing anything bad.  They "lured" me.  (https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc04.deviantart.com%2Ffs18%2Ff%2F2007%2F158%2F6%2F8%2FHaha_emoticon_by_smiekie.gif&hash=fa7f6b2992cd050d589a02f6543aa2005a402dfd)
:devil:
Title: Re: Fun Excercise
Post by: VanReal on May 25, 2009, 07:18:05 PM
Quote from: "Whitney"
Quote from: "rlrose328"Potlucks.  I miss a good church potluck.   :beer:

lol...you can't have the beer at a church potluck.

Hehe, you guys were obviously not catholics....

Speaking of that, I guess my biggest argument for christianity would be the "confession".  You can screw up as much as you want, and then tell a middle man and all will be okay again after a couple of repetitive prayers.  Nothing like a good cleansing and removal of all guilt and responsibility, "Heaven here I come"!!
Title: Re: Fun Excercise
Post by: SektionTen on May 25, 2009, 09:48:08 PM
Some of the best meals I've ever had were on Catholic Sanit Feast days. Stuff my face. :pop: