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This all may be old business with some on this forum, but it never fails to astound me how many people have not put the two ideologies together: The KKK is clearly an evangelical Christian sect.

To make the case two pieces of evidence; first a video shows at numerous points the evangelical Christian foundations of the KKK:

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Next, couple that video with the following excerpts from a KKK website, and the case becomes shut and closed: the KKK is based on the Christian Bible and its exegesis by evangelical founders Martin Luther and John Calvin.  

KKK website ... http://www.kelticklankirk.com/KKK_The_Klan.htm (http://www.kelticklankirk.com/KKK_The_Klan.htm)

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Quote from: "the KKK quoting the New Testament"1: Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
2: And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.
3: Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
4: No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

II Timothy, chapter 2: 1-4 of the HOLY BIBLE

Quote from: "KKK"The Holy Bible is The Book

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Quote from: "KKK"
Traditional Klans and Christian Identity Klans are exclusively Christian and do not allow Pagans and other non-Christians in their ranks.


â€" 2 Corinthians 6:14: Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness ?

Quote from: "the KKK, quoting the Christian Bible"The "Jews"

Revelation 2: 9

9: I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

The Kikes

Revelation 3: 9 - 11

9: Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
10: Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11: Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

http://www.kelticklankirk.com/Jews_ZOG_and_ZOGlings.htm (http://www.kelticklankirk.com/Jews_ZOG_and_ZOGlings.htm)

Quote from: "KKK"Calvinistic Christian Identity

John Calvin

”Their [the Jews] rotten and unbending stiffneckedness deserves that they be oppressed unendingly and without measure or end and that they die in their misery without the pity of anyone.”

http://www.kelticklankirk.com/Jews_ZOG_and_ZOGlings.htm (http://www.kelticklankirk.com/Jews_ZOG_and_ZOGlings.htm)

Quote from: "KKK"~ Serpent's  Seed ~
Jew Seedline of Satan

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Quote from: "the KKK, quoting the Father of Evangelical Christianity, Martin Luther""In sum, they are the devil's children, damned to Hell..." -- Martin Luther

Quote from: "KKK"True Christians Oppose SO-CALLED Judeo-"Christianity" BECAUSE IT IS NOT THE FAITH OF OUR FATHERS, AND IT IS NOT THE TRUE CHRISTIAN FAITH.

On the Jews and Their Lies, 1543
The Complete Book Online

Martin Luther (1483 - 1546)

Quote from: "of the Jews, Martin Luther, Father of Evangelical Christianity"But when they disdained John and his [Christ's] message and miracles, reviling them as the deeds of Beelzebub, he spoiled and ruined matters entirely. He rebuked and chided them severely something he should not, of course, have done for being greedy, evil, and disobedient children, false teachers, seducers of the people, etc.; in brief, a brood of serpents and children of the devil.

http://www.kelticklankirk.com/Luther__o ... r_lies.htm (http://www.kelticklankirk.com/Luther__on_the_jews_and_their_lies.htm)

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Seriously why do they bother denying that the KKK and other white supremacist groups in America are Christian sects?  It's like the insistence that Hitler was an atheist despite substantial evidence to the contrary.

Christians love to disown anyone that doesn't practice their particular flavor of Christianity.

Quote from: "Kylyssa"Seriously why do they bother denying that the KKK and other white supremacist groups in America are Christian sects?  It's like the insistence that Hitler was an atheist despite substantial evidence to the contrary.

Christians love to disown anyone that doesn't practice their particular flavor of Christianity.

The common ad hoc response from Christian apologists is that members of the KKK are not 'real' Christians.  Of course, Christians who are members of the KKK would respond that these denouncing Christians are not themselves true Christians based on a different set of a priori assumptions.  (as I'm sure you know, these types of rebuttals are a logical fallacy known as the 'No true Scotsman' argument)

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Nowhere in the New Testament did Jesus Christ tell his followers to hate people because of the color of their skin, or their nationality background. The KKK are scum.


THE BIBLE SAYS... "DO NOT JUDGE OTHERS!"

What do the KKK do best? hmm? JUDGE OTHERS?

They are hardly Christian.

Quote from: "Psalm23"Nowhere in the New Testament did Jesus Christ tell his followers to hate people because of the color of their skin, or their nationality background. The KKK are scum.


THE BIBLE SAYS... "DO NOT JUDGE OTHERS!"

What do the KKK do best? hmm? JUDGE OTHERS?

They are hardly Christian.

Are you aware that this statement is judging?

Technically, the bible says, "Judge not lest ye be judged by the same measure."  It does not say not to judge at all, just to be sure you can pass the same judgment.

This quote is a perfect example of Christians disowning anyone who doesn't practice Christianity the same way they do.  The same is often said of Catholics, Swedenborgians, Mormons, Unitarians, Christian Universalists, and Unity Church members.  There are some Christians who will not recognize ANY other branch of Christianity but their own.  Types of Calvinist, Christian Reformed Church members, and Seventh Day Adventists tend to deny the Christian status of any other group.  

This is probably why, although over 80% of Americans identify as Christians, many Christians claim they are an oppressed minority in the US.  They have no respect whatsoever for what people self-identify as.

They're not Scotsmen, either!  

The other funny thing is how, whenever a Christian cult gets raided by the law and they find questionable goings on, the media does not call it a Christian Cult, they name the cult after whatever illegal thing it did.  Like the Christian cult that was practicing non-consensual polygamy with minor children - they called it a polygamy cult when in fact, it was a Christian cult which practiced pedophilia, ephebephilia, and coerced polygamy.

Quote from: "Kylyssa"The other funny thing is how, whenever a Christian cult gets raided by the law and they find questionable goings on, the media does not call it a Christian Cult, they name the cult after whatever illegal thing it did.  Like the Christian cult that was practicing non-consensual polygamy with minor children - they called it a polygamy cult when in fact, it was a Christian cult which practiced pedophilia, ephebephilia, and coerced polygamy.

Good point.  

Who are we to say who is or who is not a "Christian?"  I realize we all have titles- "Christian," "atheist," "agnostic," etc...but to what avail?  To be labeled?  I can call myself anything, who are you to say I'm not?  Or am, for that matter?  I can call myself a generous individual, but, if I never gave away anything in my life, would I be considered generous?  I think not.  I may think I am.

Honestly, I don't believe it's an individuals authority, although we certainly have the right, to label ourselves.  That is society's assumed role.  We, as a society with our deducing eyes, are the real proprietors of labels, taking into consideration, of course, what they call themselves, based on our own beliefs and understandings.  Is that moral?

As a Christian, I do not believe we should "judge" people.  After all, who am I to judge?  I am in the wrong with everybody else.

These are my opinions of course, but, whether or not you believe in a God or not, as a human being you have a responsibility to uphold moral principles if you wish to peacefully coincide with everyone else.

That word, judge, is very ambiguous.  Labeling someone doesn't constitute ruling on their fate, I believe.  If merely labeling a person constitutes judgement, then the title "stamp collector" would involve judgement.  The KKK considers themselves Christian, and I think that's all we're taking note of.  If you're not calling the KKK on their claim, then there is very little wrong with taking their word.  How one becomes a true Christian is too ambiguous, and the limits as to what atrocity a person can commit once they are a Christian, and still be considered such, is equally unspecified.

Whether we should call them a Christian sect or a sect of Christians or a sect of people who believe themselves to be Christians, however, is a blend of semantics I'd rather not deal with.

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Quote from: "Psalm23"Nowhere in the New Testament did Jesus Christ tell his followers to hate people because of the color of their skin, or their nationality background. The KKK are scum.


THE BIBLE SAYS... "DO NOT JUDGE OTHERS!"

What do the KKK do best? hmm? JUDGE OTHERS?

They are hardly Christian.

Are you aware that this statement is judging?

Technically, the bible says, "Judge not lest ye be judged by the same measure."  It does not say not to judge at all, just to be sure you can pass the same judgment.

This quote is a perfect example of Christians disowning anyone who doesn't practice Christianity the same way they do.  The same is often said of Catholics, Swedenborgians, Mormons, Unitarians, Christian Universalists, and Unity Church members.  There are some Christians who will not recognize ANY other branch of Christianity but their own.  Types of Calvinist, Christian Reformed Church members, and Seventh Day Adventists tend to deny the Christian status of any other group.  

This is probably why, although over 80% of Americans identify as Christians, many Christians claim they are an oppressed minority in the US.  They have no respect whatsoever for what people self-identify as.

Actually, you mis-quoted the bible, my son.

"Do not judge lest you want to be judged in return" - Jesus Christ
"He who is without sin, shall cast the first stone!" - Jesus Christ

Are the members of the Klan without sin? I think not..

The KKK are not Christian.

end of discussion.

Quote from: "Psalm23"Actually, you mis-quoted the bible, my son.

"Do not judge lest you want to be judged in return" - Jesus Christ
"He who is without sin, shall cast the first stone!" - Jesus Christ

Are the members of the Klan without sin? I think not..

The KKK are not Christian.

end of discussion.

Wow, I had no idea Kylyssa was a man. Did you start taking hormone supplements, Kylyssa?  

Psalm, first, anybody who claims to be a Christian can be a Christian (no differently than anyone who claims to be a  Seinfeld fan is a Seinfeld fan). Second, no one is without sin and judgment, so by your way of thinking no one is Christian.

lrn2logic

Quote from: "curiosityandthecat"Psalm, first, anybody who claims to be a Christian can be a Christian (no differently than anyone who claims to be a  Seinfeld fan is a Seinfeld fan). Second, no one is without sin and judgment, so by your way of thinking no one is Christian.lrn2logic

Listen, anyone who claims they are a Christian.. and then they go out and join the KKK.. they are hardly followers of Jesus Christ. I don't recall Jesus Christ preaching hatred towards people because of the color of the skin. Can you supply these verses that can justify the Klan?

learn logic, my son.

Quote from: "Psalm23"Listen, anyone who claims they are a Christian.. and then they go out and join the KKK.. they are hardly followers of Jesus Christ. I don't recall Jesus Christ preaching hatred towards people because of the color of the skin. Can you supply these verses that can justify the Klan?

Don't need to provide verses. Being a Christian doesn't come with a checklist and a certificate. It's accomplished by simple self-identification. Still, you may want to look at the original text of Matthew 15:23 and 22:36-40.

Quote from: "mississippidays.com"The hierarchy of the Ku Klux Klan was drawn exclusively from the hierarchy of the white Southern Baptist church. There were no Catholics, Jews or Jehovah's Witnesses in the Klan. There were a few Methodists in their ranks but their Kleagles, Exalted Cyclopses, Grand Wizards, etc., were all deacons, Sunday school teachers, ministers and preachers of that violent religion. The Klan was the enforcement wing of that white Southern Baptist church.

Quotelearn logic, my son.

That's rich, coming from a Christian.  

Quote from: "Psalm23"Listen, anyone who claims they are a Christian.. and then they go out and join the KKK.. they are hardly followers of Jesus Christ. I don't recall Jesus Christ preaching hatred towards people because of the color of the skin. Can you supply these verses that can justify the Klan?

learn logic, my son.

Why are they not Christians?  They certainly think they are  ---> http://www.kkk.bz/vision.htm (http://www.kkk.bz/vision.htm)  If you scan read their vision, they don't necessarily 'hate' the other races they just don't think they are equal to White Christians.  How is this any different from the Christian slave owners who felt it was perfectly normal to keep minority slaves as property?

The KKK is just as Christian as any other Christian group that has weird ideas.  I think if you read through their vision you'll be hard pressed to be able to find a biblical reason to disagree with their views.

Honestly, the only reason it doesn't make any sense for them to be pro White Christianity is because Jesus wouldn't have been white.  Well, there are other reasons...but they have nothing to do with Christianity...just have to do with biology and race.

Quote from: "Psalm23"Listen, anyone who claims they are a Christian.. and then they go out and join the KKK.. they are hardly followers of Jesus Christ. I don't recall Jesus Christ preaching hatred towards people because of the color of the skin. Can you supply these verses that can justify the Klan?

learn logic, my son.

What makes a christian a christian, then, if it's more than claiming to be one? Exactly what makes one a christian?

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Quote from: "Psalm23"Listen, anyone who claims they are a Christian.. and then they go out and join the KKK.. they are hardly followers of Jesus Christ. I don't recall Jesus Christ preaching hatred towards people because of the color of the skin. Can you supply these verses that can justify the Klan?

learn logic, my son.

What makes a christian a christian, then, if it's more than claiming to be one? Exactly what makes one a christian?

Uh oh... don't ask that to a Christian.

It's actually somewhat amusing. Often times Christians use the argument of how large their religion is to "overwhelm" you into believing. When in fact, with more than 3,000 sects of Christianity, many of them don't consider others Christians at all.

No one is a christian just because they announce they are,the same applies to being atheist,hindu,buddhist,muslim and so forth and so on.You can't remove the ideas and principles of any belief system and make it fit what you want to believe or what you want to believe about that system.You are to accept the system for what it says and then enter into that system as a believer.So to define a christian you are to accept Jesus as who he says he is"savior for all"and then follow His teachings.Now for all of you who say you know the Bible and believe that the KKK is a christian organization go to the Bible and prove it,you are the ones making this claim so the ball is in your court. You need to stop playing games and take on some responsibility of proving your claims.What I read in some of the replies seemed to have the same hate message towards christians that the KKK has towards blacks,Jews and anyone else they choose to hate.I think it is disgusting that anyone would link the christian church to such a hate group as the KKK,that to me is no different than comparing the Girl Scouts to drug dealers just because the girls sale their cookies on the street,door to door,in the work place or any other place that 's similar to where drug dealers sale their junk.Jesus teaches love,when He was asked what are the two greatest commandments He replied the 1st is to love the Lord your God with all your heart,mind and soul and the second is like the first love thy neighbor as thy self.How is the underlined in any way like the KKK.

Quote from: "Godschild"No one is a christian just because they announce they are,the same applies to being atheist,hindu,buddhist,muslim and so forth and so on.You can't remove the ideas and principles of any belief system and make it fit what you want to believe or what you want to believe about that system.You are to accept the system for what it says and then enter into that system as a believer.So to define a christian you are to accept Jesus as who he says he is"savior for all"and then follow His teachings.Now for all of you who say you know the Bible and believe that the KKK is a christian organization go to the Bible and prove it,you are the ones making this claim so the ball is in your court. You need to stop playing games and take on some responsibility of proving your claims.What I read in some of the replies seemed to have the same hate message towards christians that the KKK has towards blacks,Jews and anyone else they choose to hate.I think it is disgusting that anyone would link the christian church to such a hate group as the KKK,that to me is no different than comparing the Girl Scouts to drug dealers just because the girls sale their cookies on the street,door to door,in the work place or any other place that 's similar to where drug dealers sale their junk.Jesus teaches love,when He was asked what are the two greatest commandments He replied the 1st is to love the Lord your God with all your heart,mind and soul and the second is like the first love thy neighbor as thy self.How is the underlined in any way like the KKK.

You'll get no argument from me on the KKK debate. I don't think that just because some, or even if every single one of them said they were a christian sect, that it would make it true. That argument was brought up by one person. I don't buy into it.

However, I'd still like to know exactly what makes a person a christian, in your belief. By what mechanism is the acceptance made? By thought? By speaking it openly? By asking Jesus to be your lord and savior? I ask not as a trick, but to make a point. The point being that lots of people who call themselves christians cannot agree on the answer to this question. I am hoping to get your take on it.

Still, you have to admit that the KuKluxKlan believe they are christian. In other words, christian theology has informed their actions.

I don't think that christian theology caused their actions. Without the bible, they would still be as hateful and stupid as ever. It's just that they wanted to appear legitimate, so they used the particular holy book that everyone accepted as truthful at the time to justify their hate. And why not? With all the contradictions and vague phrasing of the bible, you could justify whatever the hell you want with it.

All right, well, It's getting late, so I'm gonna turn in. Till later, boyos.

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Quote from: "Psalm23"Listen, anyone who claims they are a Christian.. and then they go out and join the KKK.. they are hardly followers of Jesus Christ. I don't recall Jesus Christ preaching hatred towards people because of the color of the skin. Can you supply these verses that can justify the Klan?

learn logic, my son.

What makes a christian a christian, then, if it's more than claiming to be one? Exactly what makes one a christian?

Well, For starters.. someone that walks down the street raising their right arm towards the sky chanting "Hile Hilter" is definitely not a description of a God fearing man.

Jesus said "do not judge others, lest you want to be judged in return".
The KKK judge human beings by the color of their skin.

That is hardly the words Jesus preached 2,000 years ago.

The KKK take matters into their own hands.
Down in the South, they kill afro-american people just for being black.
Didn't the LORD say.. "THOU SHALT NOT MURDER!"?

The KKK hates JEWS. I don't recall Jesus Christ preaching to his Disciples to hate the Jews.

So, out of sheer curiosity.. I would like to know which denomination of the Christianity the KKK come from?

A Christian is someone who helps lead the blind back to God. And a Christian does not judge others for their acts or bad habits.

Yes!! Even the ancient Christian Crusaders were not following the words of CHRIST..

I don't remember the verse(s) where Jesus said.. "GO OUT AND KILL IN MY NAME!!"
Can you supply these verses?

Mankind is too judgemental.
Yes.. even those who claim to be Christian.

Quote from: "Psalm23"So, out of sheer curiosity.. I would like to know which denomination of the Christianity the KKK come from?

Looks like you missed my reply.

Claiming to be Christian is a simple as saying, "I believe that Christ was our lord." As to the extent of how closely they follow Christ's teachings, that's another matter. They're obviously just very bad Christians. Just like Paris Hilton is a bad actress, she's still an actress... because she acts. Technically.

Your whole argument just reeks of haggis.

Quote from: "McQ"You'll get no argument from me on the KKK debate. I don't think that just because some, or even if every single one of them said they were a christian sect, that it would make it true. That argument was brought up by one person. I don't buy into it.
However, I'd still like to know exactly what makes a person a christian, in your belief. By what mechanism is the acceptance made? By thought? By speaking it openly? By asking Jesus to be your lord and savior? I ask not as a trick, but to make a point. The point being that lots of people who call themselves christians cannot agree on the answer to this question. I am hoping to get your take on it.

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Quote from: "Godschild"No one is a christian just because they announce they are,the same applies to being atheist,hindu,buddhist,muslim and so forth and so on.You can't remove the ideas and principles of any belief system and make it fit what you want to believe or what you want to believe about that system.You are to accept the system for what it says and then enter into that system as a believer.So to define a christian you are to accept Jesus as who he says he is"savior for all"and then follow His teachings.

McQ I hope what I write isn't confussing.You are correct in saying that different denominations see the acceptance of salvation in different ways.Many denominations believe that you must do something to gain salvation or that you must do something so one doesn't lose thier salvation. This is called salvation by works,this belief is not found in the New Testament.Now to be truthful about these denominations they all believe in the acceptance of Jesus as Lord and Savior.The only thing I'll say about works at this time is works depends on an action on ones part,be it physical,mental or spiritual.

This is what I believe,one can not do anything to earn or save their salvation.John 3:16 For God so loved the world(people)that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him will not perish but will have everlasting life.Paul the writer of most of the New Testament said that by grace and grace alone are you saved.Grace is defined as unmerited love,this means no works are involved.So how is one saved,by believing in ones heart and mind that Jesus is the Son of God,He gave His life on the cross for our sins and that He was raised from the dead into new life on the third day.That's it no works involved you do not do anything outside of believing.You are accepting what God has done for mankind.I know some will say that you must confess your belief by mouth and it's true for Jesus said this and people will say this is a work outside of faith.It's not first of all Jesus said we are to do this it is not something we do on our own.Jesus is telling us if you can not confess your belief in Me before others then why do you think you have received the gift of salvation,part of the gift of salvation is receiving the Holy Spirit and He will give you the strength you need to wittness Me before others.Jesus had to do the work to be our Savior,He had to pay our penalty to be our savior and all He ask of us is to believe that He did this out of love.This is what I call the greatest love.I hope I've answered your question.

Quote from: "Godschild"This is called salvation by works,this belief is not found in the New Testament.

"Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself." James 2:17

I know the Bible better.  

Quote from: "Sophus"

Quote from: "Godschild"This is called salvation by works,this belief is not found in the New Testament.

"Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself." James 2:17

I know the Bible better.

I knew that was coming.So by your statment who's right Paul or James.The way you understand scripture there is a contradiction I do not see it that way.

Quote from: "Godschild"The way you understand scripture there is a contradiction I do not see it that way.

Well, in that case...  

Quote from: "Sophus"

Quote from: "Godschild"This is called salvation by works,this belief is not found in the New Testament.

"Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself." James 2:17

I know the Bible better.

I don't think so you have taken one verse and used it out of context James is saying that if a person says he has faith in Christ Jesus and yet does nothing the persons faith was not faith at all thus the person is not a christian to start with.This is what I've been trying to get across to you all this time.I'm also saying that Klansmen are not christians by what they are and what they are not doing.Read James 2:14-2:26.

Quote from: "Godschild"McQ I hope what I write isn't confussing.You are correct in saying that different denominations see the acceptance of salvation in different ways.Many denominations believe that you must do something to gain salvation or that you must do something so one doesn't lose thier salvation. This is called salvation by works,this belief is not found in the New Testament.Now to be truthful about these denominations they all believe in the acceptance of Jesus as Lord and Savior.The only thing I'll say about works at this time is works depends on an action on ones part,be it physical,mental or spiritual.

This is what I believe,one can not do anything to earn or save their salvation.John 3:16 For God so loved the world(people)that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him will not perish but will have everlasting life.Paul the writer of most of the New Testament said that by grace and grace alone are you saved.Grace is defined as unmerited love,this means no works are involved.So how is one saved,by believing in ones heart and mind that Jesus is the Son of God,He gave His life on the cross for our sins and that He was raised from the dead into new life on the third day.That's it no works involved you do not do anything outside of believing.You are accepting what God has done for mankind.I know some will say that you must confess your belief by mouth and it's true for Jesus said this and people will say this is a work outside of faith.It's not first of all Jesus said we are to do this it is not something we do on our own.Jesus is telling us if you can not confess your belief in Me before others then why do you think you have received the gift of salvation,part of the gift of salvation is receiving the Holy Spirit and He will give you the strength you need to wittness Me before others.Jesus had to do the work to be our Savior,He had to pay our penalty to be our savior and all He ask of us is to believe that He did this out of love.This is what I call the greatest love.I hope I've answered your question.

Yes, thank you. It clarifies and answers my question. I really wanted to know where you were coming from in relation to salvation. I think you explained it fully. Much appreciated.

Quote from: " curiosityandthecat"Your whole argument just reeks of haggis.

I understand the reference here (no true Scotsman...  haggis) but think it unnecessarily demeans and besmirches the noble dish of Scotland (http://www.worldburnsclub.com/begin/address_to_a_haggis.htm).

 

Quote from: "Robert Burns"Fair fa' your honest, sonsie face,
Great chieftain o' the puddin-race!

I would say rather, that like pretty much all of Psalm23's arguments presented here at HAF, it's simply offal (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/offal) (see definition 2.)
The fact that he does not even attempt to answer many of the replies and counter-arguments would seem to show that he knows this.
 
 

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Quote from: "Psalm23"So, out of sheer curiosity.. I would like to know which denomination of the Christianity the KKK come from?

Looks like you missed my reply.

Claiming to be Christian is a simple as saying, "I believe that Christ was our lord." As to the extent of how closely they follow Christ's teachings, that's another matter. They're obviously just very bad Christians. Just like Paris Hilton is a bad actress, she's still an actress... because she acts. Technically.

Your whole argument just reeks of haggis.

So what you're saying is.. I can walk into a wal-mart and kill 40 people, but as long as I say "I'm a Christian," that actually means I am following the Christian way? And that is "do not judge others" and "do not kill".

i hardly believe any sect of the Klan are followers of Jesus Christ.

The KKK are using Jesus' name in a derogatory manner, and they cannot justify their actions.

The KKK shall face GOD one day.

Quote from: "Psalm23"The KKK shall face GOD one day.

 :banna:

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Quote from: "Psalm23"The KKK shall face GOD one day.

 :banna:

Jesus also said, "very few shall enter into the Kingdom of God.."

and GOD himself said, "No one shall be righteous, not one!"

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Jesus also said, "very few shall enter into the Kingdom of God.."

and GOD himself said, "No one shall be righteous, not one!"[/quote]

The Trinity is a bit confused aren't they (it, he, she, them ) . . . .

It really is hard to keep all of the lies straight isn't it?

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Quote from: "Psalm23"The KKK shall face GOD one day.

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I see that gave you a good laugh,Psalm23 is correct they will face God one day just as you will and if you and they keep the same views of God the choice of your eternal life ....well it will not be with God.

Matthew 7:21-23 Not everyone who says to Me,'Lord,Lord,'will enter the kingdom of heaven;but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven.Many will say to Me on that day,'Lord,Lord,did we not prophesy in Your name,and in Your name cast out demons,and in Your name perform many miracles?'And then I will declare to them,'I never knew you;depart from Me,you who practice lawlessness.'

The Klansmen believe they are casting out demons.The Klan believes it is prophesying.Some TV preachers believe they are prophesying and doing miracles.

"on that day"....means the day you come before Jesus Christ and that is a day true christians look forward to how about you?

Quote from: "Godschild"I see that gave you a good laugh,Psalm23 is correct they will face God one day just as you will and if you and they keep the same views of God the choice of your eternal life ....well it will not be with God.

Matthew 7:21-23 Not everyone who says to Me,'Lord,Lord,'will enter the kingdom of heaven;but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven.Many will say to Me on that day,'Lord,Lord,did we not prophesy in Your name,and in Your name cast out demons,and in Your name perform many miracles?'And then I will declare to them,'I never knew you;depart from Me,you who practice lawlessness.'

The Klansmen believe they are casting out demons.The Klan believes it is prophesying.Some TV preachers believe they are prophesying and doing miracles.

"on that day"....means the day you come before Jesus Christ and that is a day true christians look forward to how about you?

Using scripture to try to convince atheists of the justification behind this rather spectacular rationalizing... brilliant. Why didn't anyone ever try this before? It's bulletproof!  

When will that day be, Godschild? Do you have a date? I'm assuming you think it'll be sometime in your lifetime. Funny how everybody thinks that, and so far, everyone has been wrong.

On that date I hope to be lounging on a beach somewhere, drinking a nice, cold beer, silently chuckling to myself. And the next day I will get up and go to work where all my Christian friends will be sitting in their cubicles, convincing themselves that it will happen. Soon. Oh yes, it will happen soon.

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Quote from: "Godschild"I see that gave you a good laugh,Psalm23 is correct they will face God one day just as you will and if you and they keep the same views of God the choice of your eternal life ....well it will not be with God.

Matthew 7:21-23 Not everyone who says to Me,'Lord,Lord,'will enter the kingdom of heaven;but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven.Many will say to Me on that day,'Lord,Lord,did we not prophesy in Your name,and in Your name cast out demons,and in Your name perform many miracles?'And then I will declare to them,'I never knew you;depart from Me,you who practice lawlessness.'

The Klansmen believe they are casting out demons.The Klan believes it is prophesying.Some TV preachers believe they are prophesying and doing miracles.

"on that day"....means the day you come before Jesus Christ and that is a day true christians look forward to how about you?

Using scripture to try to convince atheists of the justification behind this rather spectacular rationalizing... brilliant. Why didn't anyone ever try this before? It's bulletproof! :( .

That's exactly my point, Godschild. You admit that you have no idea when this "day of reckoning" will be, that even assuming to know is against Christian teaching somehow, but you still believe that it'll happen while you and I are still alive.

You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

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Quote from: "Psalm23"The KKK shall face GOD one day.

 :banna:

Jesus also said, "very few shall enter into the Kingdom of God.."

and GOD himself said, "No one shall be righteous, not one!"

That is complete bullshit and you know it.

Go away, troll.  

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Quote from: "Psalm23"The KKK shall face GOD one day.

:banna:

I see that gave you a good laugh,Psalm23 is correct they will face God one day just as you will and if you and they keep the same views of God the choice of your eternal life ....well it will not be with God.

Matthew 7:21-23 Not everyone who says to Me,'Lord,Lord,'will enter the kingdom of heaven;but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven.Many will say to Me on that day,'Lord,Lord,did we not prophesy in Your name,and in Your name cast out demons,and in Your name perform many miracles?'And then I will declare to them,'I never knew you;depart from Me,you who practice lawlessness.'

The Klansmen believe they are casting out demons.The Klan believes it is prophesying.Some TV preachers believe they are prophesying and doing miracles.

"on that day"....means the day you come before Jesus Christ and that is a day true christians look forward to how about you?

I've seen video clips of klansmen killing innocent people just because they are black. I'm sure GOD frowns upon that because "mankind is supposed to love thy neighbor." I don't think the KKK qualifies this description.

If a black man moved in next door to the kkk grand wizard.. I'm sure that black man would be killed.
That sure doesn't sound like "LOVE THY NEIGHBOR" to me.

in the end, all who disobeys GOD's laws are doomed to fire and brimestone!

Quote from: "Psalm23"I've seen video clips of klansmen killing innocent people just because they are black. I'm sure GOD frowns upon that because "mankind is supposed to love thy neighbor." I don't think the KKK qualifies this description.

If a black man moved in next door to the kkk grand wizard.. I'm sure that black man would be killed.
That sure doesn't sound like "LOVE THY NEIGHBOR" to me.

in the end, all who disobeys GOD's laws are doomed to fire and brimestone!

As I understand it, the Klan's attitude toward other "races" is based on the biblical "Curse of Canaan", Genesis 9:20-27.

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Quote from: "Psalm23"I've seen video clips of klansmen killing innocent people just because they are black. I'm sure GOD frowns upon that because "mankind is supposed to love thy neighbor." I don't think the KKK qualifies this description.

If a black man moved in next door to the kkk grand wizard.. I'm sure that black man would be killed.
That sure doesn't sound like "LOVE THY NEIGHBOR" to me.

in the end, all who disobeys GOD's laws are doomed to fire and brimestone!

As I understand it, the Klan's attitude toward other "races" is based on the biblical "Curse of Canaan", Genesis 9:20-27.

Trust me, the Klan does NOT base their movement upon the book of "Genesis". They always quote the Gospels when they go on their protests, or marches.. whatever they call it. All I know is, the klan are evil dictators and they despise other races. according to my K.J.V that is not very CHRIST-like. Jesus frowns upon the klan.

These are not the words Jesus taught, and I'm sure he's pissed off!

Quote from: "Psalm23"Trust me, the Klan does NOT base their movement upon the book of "Genesis". They always quote the Gospels when they go on their protests, or marches.. whatever they call it. All I know is, the klan are evil dictators and they despise other races. according to my K.J.V that is not very CHRIST-like. Jesus frowns upon the klan.

These are not the words Jesus taught, and I'm sure he's pissed off!

I don't trust you. The Klan has made statements to that effect with regularity, also stating they take the bible as a whole to heart, claiming others fail to accept it properly.

In short, they say others claiming to be Christian, aren't.

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Quote from: "Psalm23"Trust me, the Klan does NOT base their movement upon the book of "Genesis". They always quote the Gospels when they go on their protests, or marches.. whatever they call it. All I know is, the klan are evil dictators and they despise other races. according to my K.J.V that is not very CHRIST-like. Jesus frowns upon the klan.

These are not the words Jesus taught, and I'm sure he's pissed off!

I don't trust you. The Klan has made statements to that effect with regularity, also stating they take the bible as a whole to heart, claiming others fail to accept it properly.

In short, they say others claiming to be Christian, aren't.

So, according to you. I can go out and kill people as long as I'm holding a bible in my hand? It doesn't work like that. You are making Christians out to be a terrorist network.

Do you know all 613 laws Jesus taught?

I don't think "hating other people" was one of them..

Listen, I've already proven the klan are evil dictators and they do not have a place in Christianity. No way, No how!

Quote from: "Psalm23"So, according to you. I can go out and kill people as long as I'm holding a bible in my hand? It doesn't work like that. You are making Christians out to be a terrorist network.

Do you know all 613 laws Jesus taught?

I don't think "hating other people" was one of them..

Listen, I've already proven the klan are evil dictators and they do not have a place in Christianity. No way, No how!

I'm making no such judgment. All I'm saying is, the Klan disagrees with you.
It illustrates a problem with religion: Interpretation. For every group of Christians, there is a different interpretation of the bible. Each group thinks hey have it right and the others do not. The differences can be small and inconsequential, or large and dramatic. I find it impossible to decipher.

Quote from: "Psalm23"Listen, I've already proven the klan are evil dictators and they do not have a place in Christianity. No way, No how!

Yes, but they still use their own version of christian principles to justify what they do. They would still call themselves christian. Does that not piss you off? If so, what are you and the rest of christianity going to do about it?

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Quote from: "Psalm23"So, according to you. I can go out and kill people as long as I'm holding a bible in my hand? It doesn't work like that. You are making Christians out to be a terrorist network.

Do you know all 613 laws Jesus taught?

I don't think "hating other people" was one of them..

Listen, I've already proven the klan are evil dictators and they do not have a place in Christianity. No way, No how!

I'm making no such judgment. All I'm saying is, the Klan disagrees with you.
It illustrates a problem with religion: Interpretation. For every group of Christians, there is a different interpretation of the bible. Each group thinks hey have it right and the others do not. The differences can be small and inconsequential, or large and dramatic. I find it impossible to decipher.

I would love nothing more than to sit down "one on one" with a member of the klan and discuss the bible with him. and i will show them they are wrong and what they believe in is not the same GOD i believe in.

How can "love thy neighbor", "do not judge others" and "do not kill" be misinterpreted?

well of course, most of the klan are from the south.. so they probably do not know how to read correctly.

let alone trying to understand ancient hebrew. . yikes!!

i think the bible is way over their head.

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Quote from: "Psalm23"So, according to you. I can go out and kill people as long as I'm holding a bible in my hand? It doesn't work like that. You are making Christians out to be a terrorist network.

It is far more likely that they would convince you to join them.

I find it entertaining to see your hipocrisy.  The same arguments that you would use to convince them are those that they would use to convince you.

Quote from: "Psalm23"I would love nothing more than to sit down "one on one" with a member of the klan and discuss the bible with him. and i will show them they are wrong and what they believe in is not the same GOD i believe in.

How can "love thy neighbor", "do not judge others" and "do not kill" be misinterpreted?

well of course, most of the klan are from the south.. so they probably do not know how to read correctly.

let alone trying to understand ancient hebrew. . yikes!!

i think the bible is way over their head.

How judgmental and unloving of you.

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Quote from: "Psalm23"I would love nothing more than to sit down "one on one" with a member of the klan and discuss the bible with him. and i will show them they are wrong and what they believe in is not the same GOD i believe in.

How can "love thy neighbor", "do not judge others" and "do not kill" be misinterpreted?

well of course, most of the klan are from the south.. so they probably do not know how to read correctly.

let alone trying to understand ancient hebrew. . yikes!!

i think the bible is way over their head.

How judgmental and unloving of you.

speaking the truth and being judgemental are two different things.

Quote from: "Psalm23"speaking the truth and being judgemental are two different things.

When the Klan hates dark-skinned people, they base it on the "Curse of Canaan" - part of the Bible, the "inerrant" word of god.

Where in that Bible does it mention people from the southern United States are too dim to understand the Bible? Alternatively, I'll accept citations to no fewer than three peer-reviewed studies suggesting the same.

If you can't tell me, then I guess you're just being judgmental and Biblically one step behind the Klan.

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Quote from: "Psalm23"speaking the truth and being judgemental are two different things.

When the Klan hates dark-skinned people, they base it on the "Curse of Canaan" - part of the Bible, the "inerrant" word of god.

Where in that Bible does it mention people from the southern United States are too dim to understand the Bible? Alternatively, I'll accept citations to no fewer than three peer-reviewed studies suggesting the same.

If you can't tell me, then I guess you're just being judgmental and Biblically one step behind the Klan.

does the KKK hate muslims because they are dark skinned? if so.. the KKK should have a field-day and go visit IRAN and tell those dark-skinned Islamic radicals they should die because of the color of their skin, right?

the kkk would be hanged on sight.

listen to me closely. "CHRIST"ianity. The CHRIST. The Annointed Messiah, The Christos; did not represent hatred towards races. this arguement is flawed to the core!!

Nowhere in scripture did the CHRIST tell his people to hate other races because of skin color.

for some unknown reason.. you will fight with me until death on this subject, but the bottom line is quite simple.
Jesus Christ.. ya know.. the guy who originated Christianity did NOT preach hatred.. nor did he teach racism!

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Quote from: "Psalm23"speaking the truth and being judgemental are two different things.

When the Klan hates dark-skinned people, they base it on the "Curse of Canaan" - part of the Bible, the "inerrant" word of god.

Where in that Bible does it mention people from the southern United States are too dim to understand the Bible? Alternatively, I'll accept citations to no fewer than three peer-reviewed studies suggesting the same.

If you can't tell me, then I guess you're just being judgmental and Biblically one step behind the Klan.

does the KKK hate muslims because they are dark skinned? if so.. the KKK should have a field-day and go visit IRAN and tell those dark-skinned Islamic radicals they should die because of the color of their skin, right?

the kkk would be hanged on sight.

listen to me closely. "CHRIST"ianity. The CHRIST. The Annointed Messiah, The Christos; did not represent hatred towards races. this arguement is flawed to the core!!

Nowhere in scripture did the CHRIST tell his people to hate other races because of skin color.

for some unknown reason.. you will fight with me until death on this subject, but the bottom line is quite simple.
Jesus Christ.. ya know.. the guy who originated Christianity did NOT preach hatred.. nor did he teach racism!

This did not answer my question.

You asserted that southerners are too dim to understand the bible.
Where in that Bible does it mention people from the southern United States are too dim to understand the Bible?
If you can't tell me, then I guess you're just being judgmental.

Quote from: "Psalm23"for some unknown reason.. you will fight with me until death on this subject, but the bottom line is quite simple.

If I may...

Yes, the bottom line is quite simple, indeed. You will fight until death to make whatever rationalization or weakly constructed justification to defend your shallow, intolerant, farce of a religion. It's how you define yourself. You are nothing without your religion.

Should one of us decide to change their minds a bit, hey, great, whatever, we're always open to new evidence. That person doesn't lose a part of him or herself. On the other hand... you....

On a side note, I find it interesting that many Christians, yourself included Psalm, are so quick to hate Muslims, but forget that the Crusades, a purely Christian venture, were fought mainly against Muslims. Christians slaughtered--in the purest sense of the word--Muslims for, literally, hundreds of years. I have Iranian friends, man. They're nice people. It's people like you and the hatemongers you parrot that promote this idea that Muslims are evil, devil-horned monsters who would as soon kill a Christian as look at him.

Quote from: "JillSwift"You asserted that southerners are too dim to understand the bible.
Where in that Bible does it mention people from the southern United States are too dim to understand the Bible?
If you can't tell me, then I guess you're just being judgmental.

No, it's just common knowledge that people from the south have a low I.Q rate. It's Science.

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Quote from: "JillSwift"You asserted that southerners are too dim to understand the bible.
Where in that Bible does it mention people from the southern United States are too dim to understand the Bible?
If you can't tell me, then I guess you're just being judgmental.

No, it's just common knowledge that people from the south have a low I.Q rate. It's Science.

Do you count Texas in that? Just wondering.  

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Quote from: "Psalm23"for some unknown reason.. you will fight with me until death on this subject, but the bottom line is quite simple.

If I may...

Yes, the bottom line is quite simple, indeed. You will fight until death to make whatever rationalization or weakly constructed justification to defend your shallow, intolerant, farce of a religion. It's how you define yourself. You are nothing without your religion.

Should one of us decide to change their minds a bit, hey, great, whatever, we're always open to new evidence. That person doesn't lose a part of him or herself. On the other hand... you....

On a side note, I find it interesting that many Christians, yourself included Psalm, are so quick to hate Muslims, but forget that the Crusades, a purely Christian venture, were fought mainly against Muslims. Christians slaughtered--in the purest sense of the word--Muslims for, literally, hundreds of years. I have Iranian friends, man. They're nice people. It's people like you and the hatemongers you parrot that promote this idea that Muslims are evil, devil-horned monsters who would as soon kill a Christian as look at him.

Ugh, I hope you're not a Moderator for Pete's sake!! Read the Title of the Thread! THE KKK IS CHRISTIAN!!

My answer is short and sweet, kiddo!

JESUS CHRIST did not preach racism in any form or manner!

Quit trying to tell me the KKK are worshippers of Jesus Christ!

Ancient Christians would be ashamed of you for talking this nonsensical b.s.

All you are doing, my friend is pissing off the man who is returning within your lifetime.

Don't be alarmed when a man claiming to be the Christ is walking into Temples in Jerusalem, and it's being broadcast all over CNN, FOX, MSNBC, NBC, ABC...etc..etc... because GOD said, "every eye shall witness this event!"

and this was not even possible until the 20th century..

the day of the LORD is coming soon.. it will be a day of great DOOM and DARKNESS!

"If you reject me on this earth - then I shall reject you in front of My FATHER.." JESUS CHRIST - 33 A.D.

Quote from: "Psalm23"Ugh, I hope you're not a Moderator for Pete's sake!! Read the Title of the Thread! THE KKK IS CHRISTIAN!!

Why, yes it is!  

Quick argument: I have two Pink Floyd tattoos. I consider myself a Pink Floyd fan. That's how I display my liking for them. If someone else claims to like Pink Floyd but doesn't go to that extent, doesn't agree with me that Echoes was their best song, or thinks that the band was better after Roger Waters left, are they less of a fan than I am?

QuoteMy answer is short and sweet, kiddo!

JESUS CHRIST did not preach racism in any form or manner!

Quit trying to tell me the KKK are worshippers of Jesus Christ!

Did Jesus teach that you should go and annoy people on internet forums? I'm pretty sure he didn't.

QuoteAncient Christians would be ashamed of you for talking this nonsensical b.s.

All you are doing, my friend is pissing off the man who is returning within your lifetime.

I feel ashamed. I really, really do. I'm sorry ancient people who believed the same claptrap as the modern people! I really am! Forgive me!

QuoteDon't be alarmed when a man claiming to the Christ is walking into Temples in Jerusalem, and it's being broadcast all over CNN, FOX, MSNBC, NBC, ABC...etc..etc... because GOD said, "every eye shall witness this event!"

Men claiming to be Christ are walking all over the earth, right now. Have been for ages. They're either liars or schizophrenics. The former have something to sell. The latter, well, at least they really believe it.

Quoteand this was not even possible until the 20th century..

the day of the LORD is coming soon.. it will be a day of great DOOM and DARKNESS!

Psalm, you are going to continue this idiocy for the rest of your life, and you are going to die never having seen your predictions come to pass. I'm sorry, but that's the truth.

Quote from: "curiosityandthecat"Why, yes it is!  :)

QuotePsalm, you are going to continue this idiocy for the rest of your life, and you are going to die never having seen your predictions come to pass. I'm sorry, but that's the truth.

You know it's funny, because the Old Testament said there would be a coming Messiah.. and everyone laughed at them.. 'where is this Messiah?' .. who appeared 1,300 years later riding a Donkey into Jerusalem? Oh boy, the look on their faces if those skeptics were alive to witness it.

Quote from: "Psalm23"Ok, you're with me thus far. Nice.

Uhm, you just agreed with the point you are arguing against. You're saying the KKK isn't Christian. We're saying it is. You do realize that, right?

QuoteYes, any fan that would mark their body with a photo of Roger Waters' face would be considered a diehard fan. The other person, well I guess he would be just a fan, I suppose..

So the method by which they express their liking doesn't matter so much as the fact that they do like the music, right? Same with being a Christian, Psalm. One person (you) trolls forums, annoying atheists and quoting (poorly) scripture. Another (a KKK member) does their crap. Both Christian, I'm afraid.

QuoteNo, but if internet forums existed in 33 a.d. i'm sure jesus would have had one heck of a blog. but no, being serious, yes, Jesus would say.. go and preach my word to the blind. which in Jesus language, that would mean, YOU!

Judging by what I've read about Jesus' teachings, he'd tell you to stop. You are to bring the word to people who are willing to hear it, offer it to those who are not. You've offered it. We've rejected it (in fact, many of us here were you before becoming atheist -- this ain't our first rodeo). You can stop now.

QuoteYou know it's funny, because the Old Testament said there would be a coming Messiah.. and everyone laughed at them.. 'where is this Messiah?' .. who appeared 1,300 years later riding a Donkey into Jerusalem? Oh boy, the look on their faces if those skeptics were alive to witness it.

Cherry picking again, I see. The parts of the OT you believe bolster your position are worthwhile. Other aspects are apocryphal or antiquated and should not be paid attention to, right?

Trust me, if anyone should feel sad, it's us. For you. You are blind, Psalm. Not us.

Quote from: "Psalm23"Yes, any fan that would mark their body with a photo of Roger Waters' face would be considered a diehard fan. The other person, well I guess he would be just a fan, I suppose..

Capacity to appreciate has nothing to do with fanaticism. I too enjoy Pink Floyd and love The Wall as I relate it to a time of isolation in my life. However I don't fancy the idea of having a permanent marking on my body. It's the old To Have Or To Be? concept. Having more fan merchandise and so on does not make me actually become a bigger fan.

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Quote from: "JillSwift"You asserted that southerners are too dim to understand the bible.
Where in that Bible does it mention people from the southern United States are too dim to understand the Bible?
If you can't tell me, then I guess you're just being judgmental.

No, it's just common knowledge that people from the south have a low I.Q rate. It's Science.

Remember I said I'd only accept no less than three peer-reviewed studies to that effect as an answer. That, or a bible verse.
As you can not provide either, you are being judgmental - and by your own words, are thus not a Christian. Q.E.D.

Quote from: "curiosityandthecat"Uhm, you just agreed with the point you are arguing against. You're saying the KKK isn't Christian. We're saying it is. You do realize that, right?

You're saying the KKK is Christian.. and I believe i asked for proof from the word of Jesus that justifies the KKK. No one has been able to do so. So, therefore, I have debunked this madness.

QuoteSo the method by which they express their liking doesn't matter so much as the fact that they do like the music, right? Same with being a Christian, Psalm. One person (you) trolls forums, annoying atheists and quoting (poorly) scripture. Another (a KKK member) does their crap. Both Christian, I'm afraid.

annoying atheists is not a commandment. killing people is. don't compare me to the KKK. that's an insult, and according to moderators, that is a violation of forum rules.

QuoteJudging by what I've read about Jesus' teachings, he'd tell you to stop. You are to bring the word to people who are willing to hear it, offer it to those who are not. You've offered it. We've rejected it (in fact, many of us here were you before becoming atheist -- this ain't our first rodeo). You can stop now.

Yes, I agree with you, at some point, Jesus said, "shake the dust from your feet and walk away from them." Once again, meaning, YOU! but you see, atheists didn't have bulletin boards in 33 a.d that wants to discuss Jesus and his teachings. All you atheists are doing is promoting Christianity, whether you like it or not. The main topic in every atheist forum is Christianity, and maybe every once in awhile someone will mention Islam, but other than that.. the topic is usually 99.9% Christianity discussion.

QuoteCherry picking again, I see. The parts of the OT you believe bolster your position are worthwhile. Other aspects are apocryphal or antiquated and should not be paid attention to, right?

“Yea, all the kings shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him. For he shall deliver the needy when he crieth; the poor also, and him that hath no helper... His name shall endure forever, his name shall be continued as long as the sun, and men shall be blessed in him, all nations shall call him blessed” (Ps. 72:11-12, 17). This verse is about Jesus Christ "the Messiah" my friend..

QuoteTrust me, if anyone should feel sad, it's us. For you. You are blind, Psalm. Not us.

The Lord is my SHEPHERD my friend.. If I am blind.. that's why I'm called PSALM23. The LORD shall leadeth me to his Kingdom..

Quote from: "Psalm23"The Lord is my SHEPHERD my friend.. If I am blind.. that's why I'm called PSALM23. The LORD shall leadeth me to his Kingdom..

But only if you do not have long hair.

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Quote from: "curiosityandthecat"Uhm, you just agreed with the point you are arguing against. You're saying the KKK isn't Christian. We're saying it is. You do realize that, right?

You're saying the KKK is Christian.. and I believe i asked for proof from the word of Jesus that justifies the KKK. No one has been able to do so. So, therefore, I have debunked this madness.

 This is coming from the same person who denies Hitler was a Catholic. Jesus never directly acknowledged Calvanism, or Baptists either? So every sect of Christianity is false. In sense I do agree with Psalm.... The last Christian died on a cross.

This is alot like playing Whack-a-Mole, except this is Whack-a-Troll!!   :banna:

Quote from: "Psalm23"You're saying the KKK is Christian.. and I believe i asked for proof from the word of Jesus that justifies the KKK. No one has been able to do so. So, therefore, I have debunked this madness.

Jesus is God, correct? The word of Jesus is the word of God, and vice versa, correct? If God said it (at any time, in any scripture), then, by extension, Jesus said it. If anyone, anywhere does anything that is in any way based on any scripture, it was, by extension, done in Jesus' name. Either you acquiesce that, or you deny that Jesus and God are one and the same.

It's a fun little mythology you have going, here. Great fun.

Quoteannoying atheists is not a commandment. killing people is. don't compare me to the KKK. that's an insult, and according to moderators, that is a violation of forum rules.

Actually not killing people is a commandment, though, judging by the history of the church, not a very important one. Are you going to tell me that every person who has ever killed in God's name was not a Christian? And I'm not comparing you to the KKK. I'm saying you both have the same guidebook, the same how-to guide on life, the same little book of stories. A man who lights a cigarette and a man who burns down a theater are both starting fires.

QuoteYes, I agree with you, at some point, Jesus said, "shake the dust from your feet and walk away from them." Once again, meaning, YOU! but you see, atheists didn't have bulletin boards in 33 a.d that wants to discuss Jesus and his teachings. All you atheists are doing is promoting Christianity, whether you like it or not. The main topic in every atheist forum is Christianity, and maybe every once in awhile someone will mention Islam, but other than that.. the topic is usually 99.9% Christianity discussion.

Yes, so follow his suggestion: shake the dust from your mouse and surf away from us. Atheists didn't discuss their atheism in the past because... wait for it... we were killed for doing so. By whom, you ask? Christians! Yep! Thanks for playing. Atheists talk about Christianity for the same reasons African Americans talk about racism or women talk about sexism. Surely you're not so dense as to fail to see that.

Quote“Yea, all the kings shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him. For he shall deliver the needy when he crieth; the poor also, and him that hath no helper... His name shall endure forever, his name shall be continued as long as the sun, and men shall be blessed in him, all nations shall call him blessed” (Ps. 72:11-12, 17). This verse is about Jesus Christ "the Messiah" my friend..

Oh boy, more scripture. By the way, that's called "postdiction." Look it up.

QuoteThe Lord is my SHEPHERD my friend.. If I am blind.. that's why I'm called PSALM23. The LORD shall leadeth me to his Kingdom..

You were born with that moniker? On your birth certificate it says "John Smith, aka Psalm23"? God came down from his heavenly Lay-z-Boy and told you you shall go forth into the interwebz and you shall be called Psalm23? That's really weird, man.

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Quote from: "JillSwift"You asserted that southerners are too dim to understand the bible.
Where in that Bible does it mention people from the southern United States are too dim to understand the Bible?
If you can't tell me, then I guess you're just being judgmental.

No, it's just common knowledge that people from the south have a low I.Q rate. It's Science.

Cite the references or withdraw the statement immediately.[/color]

Quote from: "Psalm23"No, it's just common knowledge that people from the south have a low I.Q rate. It's Science.

Common knowledge? You mean a common stereotype? Seriously, all in favor of giving the troll the boot say Aye.

Anyone ever think to just read what the KKK have to say about their status?

Perhaps reading why they say they are christians from their own official web pages would shed some light on this debate. They certainly claim to be christians. Take some time to read their convoluted platform and charters. It is both illuminating and sickening.

http://www.kukluxklan.bz/index.html (http://www.kukluxklan.bz/index.html)

http://www.kkk.bz/ourgoal.htm (http://www.kkk.bz/ourgoal.htm)

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Quote from: "Psalm23"No, it's just common knowledge that people from the south have a low I.Q rate. It's Science.

Common knowledge? You mean a common stereotype? Seriously, all in favor of giving the troll the boot say Aye.

If he doesn't comply with my post for references, it'll be strike one.

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Quote from: "JillSwift"You asserted that southerners are too dim to understand the bible.
Where in that Bible does it mention people from the southern United States are too dim to understand the Bible?
If you can't tell me, then I guess you're just being judgmental.

No, it's just common knowledge that people from the south have a low I.Q rate. It's Science.

Remember I said I'd only accept no less than three peer-reviewed studies to that effect as an answer. That, or a bible verse.
As you can not provide either, you are being judgmental - and by your own words, are thus not a Christian. Q.E.D.

You got it ...

First, I noticed that the Christians posting on this thread immediately diverted the argument from the Christian anti-Semitism of the KKK to racism.  So, let's reconsider this aspect of KKK Christianity and a bible verse which completely validates the KKK's postition.

First let's look at a part of a KKK website which quotes Martin Luther, the father of Evangelical Christianity, where he calls Jews "the children of the devil" ...

Quote from: "KKK"On the Jews and Their Lies, 1543
The Complete Book Online

Martin Luther (1483 - 1546)

Quote from: "of the Jews, Martin Luther, Father of Evangelical Christianity"But when they disdained John and his [Christ's] message and miracles, reviling them as the deeds of Beelzebub, he spoiled and ruined matters entirely. He rebuked and chided them severely something he should not, of course, have done for being greedy, evil, and disobedient children, false teachers, seducers of the people, etc.; in brief, a brood of serpents and children of the devil.

http://www.kelticklankirk.com/Luther__o ... r_lies.htm (http://www.kelticklankirk.com/Luther__on_the_jews_and_their_lies.htm)

Now here's the Bible verse of the Jesus character telling the Jews who do not believe that he is the son of the God character that they are children of the devil:  

Quote from: "the author of the Gospel of John"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

John 8:44

There are other examples which validate Christian hatred of the Jews. Hence, the Gospels, specifically the Gospel of John, is clearly anti-semitic.  The historical fact is that it was the Bible that served as the foundation of what was normative anti-semitic Christianity right into the 20th century.  

Martin Luther's anti-Semitic theology of the 16th century was just a continuation of this Christian hatred which ultimately manifested as the Holocaust in which 6,000,000 Jewish children, women and men were executed simply for for being Jewish.  

The KKK is only continuing what is the most historically normative form of Christianity.

Your turn.

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Quote from: "McQ"Perhaps reading why they say they are christians from their own official web pages would shed some light on this debate.

This is a debate? I thought we were trying to teach the unteachable?  

Quote from: "Sophus"This is a debate? I thought we were trying to teach the unteachable?  lol

Hey Psalm,
why is it you and most christians only like to quote the good things in the bible? Have you ever really read the bible?
In the old testament God  says it's ok to own slaves, even tells you how to mark them as your own. You can even beat a slave without being punished unless he dies with in a day or 2. Hmmmm maybe thats where the KKK gets it's hatred.
 Is this ok with you morally? does it sound like a loving God? God also says you should take an unruley child to the edge of town and stone it, hmmmm doesn't sound to loving to me.
Ya know God killed a lot of people in the old testament for very messed up reasons, sounds like an evil pissed off, childish prick if you ask me. But thats right he loves us, I forgot. LOL
 Oh I know you'll probally use the excuse that what happened in the new testament made what was in the old testament ok, but come on. If God screwed up that bad he had to come to earth as Jesus and be killed to make it right, and then to come back as a zombie,why would I want to worship an almighty being that screws up and can't get it right?
 And don't say the old T doesn't count either, because if you believe the bible is the word of "God", you can't pick and choose what in it is right or wrong.

Little long for my first post LOL, I just get tired of people being so naive and believing everything they read.
Jammer

I've read more trash about christians and atheist sense I posted last night.Whats wrong with all of you the KKK is nothing more than a bunch of people that hate anyone that is different than what they can accept.The KKK should have never been argued over,their type of thinking is a detriment to society.All anyone cares about is that they are right this is childish and shameful.I do not care whither the KKK claims to be a christian group or an atheist group what they claim and what they are ....well they are two different things.These people are full of hate and should have never gotten this much attention,the christians and atheist on this site all claim they do not hate others if this is so how about showing it.Psalm 23 you just keep pushing the atheist on and atheist you just feed into his pushing.I hope that what was said here was truly not meant if they were God help us all.

Quote from: "Godschild"I've read more trash about christians and atheist sense I posted last night.Whats wrong with all of you the KKK is nothing more than a bunch of people that hate anyone that is different than what they can accept.The KKK should have never been argued over,their type of thinking is a detriment to society.All anyone cares about is that they are right this is childish and shameful.I do not care whither the KKK claims to be a christian group or an atheist group what they claim and what they are ....well they are two different things.These people are full of hate and should have never gotten this much attention,the christians and atheist on this site all claim they do not hate others if this is so how about showing it.Psalm 23 you just keep pushing the atheist on and atheist you just feed into his pushing.I hope that what was said here was truly not meant if they were God help us all. :eek:

Quote from: "curiosityandthecat"I.. have no idea what you just said.  

He said "Make Love Not War" in some cosmic, hippy Jesus vernacular.

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Quote from: "Godschild"I've read more trash about christians and atheist sense I posted last night.Whats wrong with all of you the KKK is nothing more than a bunch of people that hate anyone that is different than what they can accept.The KKK should have never been argued over,their type of thinking is a detriment to society.All anyone cares about is that they are right this is childish and shameful.I do not care whither the KKK claims to be a christian group or an atheist group what they claim and what they are ....well they are two different things.These people are full of hate and should have never gotten this much attention,the christians and atheist on this site all claim they do not hate others if this is so how about showing it.Psalm 23 you just keep pushing the atheist on and atheist you just feed into his pushing.I hope that what was said here was truly not meant if they were God help us all. :eek:

Why does that not suprise me.Sophus is right we can care about each other despite our different views isn't this tolerance.

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Quote from: "curiosityandthecat"I.. have no idea what you just said.  :blink:

Look, I care about everybody. I really do. Even people I would rather never see again. I'd never wish harm upon them. I'm not sure what that has to do with the KKK being, at it's very core and inception, a Christian entity.

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Quote from: "Godschild"I've read more trash about christians and atheist sense I posted last night.Whats wrong with all of you the KKK is nothing more than a bunch of people that hate anyone that is different than what they can accept.The KKK should have never been argued over,their type of thinking is a detriment to society.All anyone cares about is that they are right this is childish and shameful.I do not care whither the KKK claims to be a christian group or an atheist group what they claim and what they are ....well they are two different things.These people are full of hate and should have never gotten this much attention,the christians and atheist on this site all claim they do not hate others if this is so how about showing it.Psalm 23 you just keep pushing the atheist on and atheist you just feed into his pushing.I hope that what was said here was truly not meant if they were God help us all. :eek:

Why does that not suprise me.Sophus is right we can care about each other despite our different views isn't this tolerance.

I'm allowed to take offence when someone lumps me in the same category as murderers, child molesters and rapists just because i'm an atheist... I'm not going to be tolerant of someone just because they are religious. They have to earn my tolerance like everyone else.

This is the Happy Atheist Forum, not the Pissed Because Psalm32 Is Calling Us Evil Forum.

Quote from: "Ninteen45"This is the Happy Atheist Forum, not the Pissed Because Psalm32 Is Calling Us Evil Forum.

Who's pissed? I'm not pissed! I'm ... quite happy! Bursting with happiness!

(Could be because I'm getting married tomorrow, though.   )

Quote from: "curiosityandthecat"Who's pissed? I'm not pissed! I'm ... quite happy! Bursting with happiness!

(Could be because I'm getting married tomorrow, though.  :bananacolor:

[quote="curiosityandthecat(Could be because I'm getting married tomorrow, though.   )[/quote]

Congrats curio is any of her family coming in from Tiawan or do you plan on going ther afterwards or whatever? Anyway congrates again.
(what kind of service are you having?)

I honestly tought that was a mail order bride joke there. Anyway, Congratz!

wait... Arn't you supposed to be having a stag night?

 :drugs:  

Quote from: "Tanker"Congrats curio is any of her family coming in from Tiawan or do you plan on going ther afterwards or whatever? Anyway congrates again.
(what kind of service are you having?)

Nah, no family coming. Way too far and way, way too expensive. We'll be having another wedding over there. This is the little one (~60 people)... that one will be ten times the size.  :blush:

Quote from: "Godschild"I do not care whither the KKK claims to be a christian group

Let's do an analogy: The KKK validates its doctrine and existence on Christian scripture (ie: New Testament) in a similar way that Al Qaeda validates its doctrine and existence on Muslim scripture (ie: Qur'an).

Would you disagree with this analogy; if so, why?


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