Title: Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy
Post by: Kylyssa on May 15, 2009, 09:30:04 PM
Post by: Kylyssa on May 15, 2009, 09:30:04 PM
Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ap_on_he_me/us_med_forced_chemo)
Finally, someone got it right! There's no way a kid shouldn't be treated for cancer with a 90% survival rate with treatment and a 5% chance of survival without.
Finally, someone got it right! There's no way a kid shouldn't be treated for cancer with a 90% survival rate with treatment and a 5% chance of survival without.
Title: Re: Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy
Post by: McQ on May 15, 2009, 10:36:40 PM
Post by: McQ on May 15, 2009, 10:36:40 PM
You just beat me to posting this, Kylissa!
Sadly, the parents and the boy will likely fight the judge's ruling. And after only one cycle of chemo so far, there's pretty much no way this kid is cured. He'll need all of them and maybe radiation too.
I went on that weirdo sect's website. Damn thing doesn't make any sense at all to me.
Sadly, the parents and the boy will likely fight the judge's ruling. And after only one cycle of chemo so far, there's pretty much no way this kid is cured. He'll need all of them and maybe radiation too.
I went on that weirdo sect's website. Damn thing doesn't make any sense at all to me.
Title: Re: Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy
Post by: SSY on May 16, 2009, 12:19:50 AM
Post by: SSY on May 16, 2009, 12:19:50 AM
At last, some sense. If only all the other judges had their heads screwed on like this one.
Title: Re: Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy
Post by: Kylyssa on May 20, 2009, 04:22:22 PM
Post by: Kylyssa on May 20, 2009, 04:22:22 PM
Update:
The mother has gone on the lam with the kid to prevent the treatment (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090520/ap_on_re_us/us_forced_chemo)
Apparently, before the mother ran off with the child he was examined by a doctor who says his disease is progressing and his tumor has grown since treatment has stopped.
I think this is a terrible crime. These people are doing their best to kill their child for their religious beliefs.
The mother has gone on the lam with the kid to prevent the treatment (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090520/ap_on_re_us/us_forced_chemo)
Apparently, before the mother ran off with the child he was examined by a doctor who says his disease is progressing and his tumor has grown since treatment has stopped.
I think this is a terrible crime. These people are doing their best to kill their child for their religious beliefs.
Title: Re: Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy
Post by: Kylyssa on May 20, 2009, 04:24:34 PM
Post by: Kylyssa on May 20, 2009, 04:24:34 PM
In my opinion, it's kidnapping and attempted murder.
Title: Re: Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy
Post by: curiosityandthecat on May 20, 2009, 04:29:56 PM
Post by: curiosityandthecat on May 20, 2009, 04:29:56 PM
Why is it that the people who want to refuse treatment for their children based on religious beliefs never themselves get the cancer? 
Title: Re: Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy
Post by: BadPoison on May 20, 2009, 06:05:39 PM
Post by: BadPoison on May 20, 2009, 06:05:39 PM
Quote from: "Kylyssa"In my opinion, it's kidnapping and attempted murder.Agreed.
Title: Re: Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy
Post by: perspective on May 20, 2009, 09:41:19 PM
Post by: perspective on May 20, 2009, 09:41:19 PM
Ironic that the people that want freedom from "religious oppression" are the ones that unanimously praise the oppression of the government. I don't think I will ever understand. Just keep jumping on Big Brothers train. I think the end of the line is a big explosive crash.
Title: Re: Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy
Post by: Jolly Sapper on May 20, 2009, 09:53:45 PM
Post by: Jolly Sapper on May 20, 2009, 09:53:45 PM
Quote from: "perspective"Ironic that the people that want freedom from "religious oppression" are the ones that unanimously praise the oppression of the government. I don't think I will ever understand. Just keep jumping on Big Brothers train. I think the end of the line is a big explosive crash.
You mean oppression "from" government correct?
Well, the answer to your question is that the government is supposed to try to protect the weakest among us (you could substitute society for government, or even religion/church if it floats your boat).
Now if the kid is old enough to make the decision to refuse chemo then it shouldn't be up to anybody else, parents or other wise. If the kid doesn't get any say in the matter, then I see no reason why the government should not step in on the side of the kid getting chemo treatment.
Title: Re: Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy
Post by: curiosityandthecat on May 20, 2009, 10:06:36 PM
Post by: curiosityandthecat on May 20, 2009, 10:06:36 PM
No greater Big Brother than God.
Title: Re: Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy
Post by: McQ on May 21, 2009, 02:16:36 AM
Post by: McQ on May 21, 2009, 02:16:36 AM
(putting on my old christian hat for a moment)
Of course, you guys all realize that this entire thing is god's will, right? He foresaw all of this from before the time we were all created by him. He planned it, shaped it, allowed it to unfold and happen to demonstrate his glory. This whole drama going on is brought about so that we will be awed by his love and power over creation. For those who are doubting, this will show them that no one is above god or his will.
It demonstrates, through human suffering, that we can only be sure of one thing: his love for us.
The very battle that the boy, his parents and family, and the courts are going through is occurring in order to bring to light the foolishness of man and the perfection that is god.
If you can't see that for yourselves, then you are still blinded by satan and have not yet heard the soft, still voice.
(hat off)
Any takers?
I didn't think so.
Of course, you guys all realize that this entire thing is god's will, right? He foresaw all of this from before the time we were all created by him. He planned it, shaped it, allowed it to unfold and happen to demonstrate his glory. This whole drama going on is brought about so that we will be awed by his love and power over creation. For those who are doubting, this will show them that no one is above god or his will.
It demonstrates, through human suffering, that we can only be sure of one thing: his love for us.
The very battle that the boy, his parents and family, and the courts are going through is occurring in order to bring to light the foolishness of man and the perfection that is god.
If you can't see that for yourselves, then you are still blinded by satan and have not yet heard the soft, still voice.
(hat off)
Any takers?
I didn't think so.
Title: Re: Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy
Post by: Kylyssa on May 21, 2009, 02:25:21 AM
Post by: Kylyssa on May 21, 2009, 02:25:21 AM
Quote from: "perspective"Ironic that the people that want freedom from "religious oppression" are the ones that unanimously praise the oppression of the government. I don't think I will ever understand. Just keep jumping on Big Brothers train. I think the end of the line is a big explosive crash.
I'm assuming you mean that it's Big Brother-like for the government to prevent parents from letting their children die from medical neglect? So do you really think parents have the right to allow their children to die if they want to?
I think that children deserve to be protected from anyone who would cause their death whether actively or passively even if that person is a parent.
I find it funny that people who consider fetuses to be people whose lives deserve protect don't believe the same of a child that has already been born.
Not letting people to allow their child to die of a treatable disease isn't oppression, it's civilization.
This poor kid's parents talked him out of life saving treatment by telling him that chemo would kill him. This is not an adult we are talking about who may make an informed decision to die from a treatable illness if they want to, Daniel is a thirteen year old child with a learning disability.
Title: Re: Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy
Post by: Kylyssa on May 21, 2009, 02:30:59 AM
Post by: Kylyssa on May 21, 2009, 02:30:59 AM
And what about eleven year old Madeline Neumann who died a slow agonizing death last year for her parents beliefs? Was that OK, too?
If it were atheists allowing their kids to die from neglect, I'd be all over them, too. The thing is, that we have no group we belong to that allows or encourages such things.
We only see the big, horrible abuses such as deaths of children whose parents deny them treatment. How many less severe instances of this abuse must occur?
If it were atheists allowing their kids to die from neglect, I'd be all over them, too. The thing is, that we have no group we belong to that allows or encourages such things.
We only see the big, horrible abuses such as deaths of children whose parents deny them treatment. How many less severe instances of this abuse must occur?
Title: Re: Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy
Post by: curiosityandthecat on May 21, 2009, 02:31:41 AM
Post by: curiosityandthecat on May 21, 2009, 02:31:41 AM
Quote from: "Kylyssa"I find it funny that people who consider fetuses to be people whose lives deserve protect don't believe the same of a child that has already been born.Just like the old saying: love the fetus, hate the child.
Not letting people to allow their child to die of a treatable disease isn't oppression, it's civilization.
This poor kid's parents talked him out of life saving treatment by telling him that chemo would kill him. This is not an adult we are talking about who may make an informed decision to die from a treatable illness if they want to, Daniel is a thirteen year old child with a learning disability.
Title: Re: Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy
Post by: karadan on May 21, 2009, 10:23:23 AM
Post by: karadan on May 21, 2009, 10:23:23 AM
Quote from: "Kylyssa"In my opinion, it's kidnapping and attempted murder.
Agreed. Those 'parents' should be tried as murderers. They should be subject to the same penalties as any other criminal on trial for first degree murder.
Those motherfuckers.
Title: Re: Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy
Post by: McQ on May 21, 2009, 01:05:02 PM
Post by: McQ on May 21, 2009, 01:05:02 PM
BTW, my post was meant to show some of the arguments that I've heard and wanted to believe, back in the day. "Real christians" use that rationale every day to explain misery, sickness, evil, etc. You guys realize that it's bullshit and that I haven't suddenly turned religiotarded, right? 
Title: Re: Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy
Post by: Jolly Sapper on May 21, 2009, 02:46:58 PM
Post by: Jolly Sapper on May 21, 2009, 02:46:58 PM
Quote from: "McQ"BTW, my post was meant to show some of the arguments that I've heard and wanted to believe, back in the day. "Real christians" use that rationale every day to explain misery, sickness, evil, etc. You guys realize that it's bullshit and that I haven't suddenly turned religiotarded, right?
I'm pretty sure you'd have to try a lot harder than that to convince us that you've "turned."
Title: Re: Judge rules family can't refuse chemo for boy
Post by: karadan on May 21, 2009, 03:51:36 PM
Post by: karadan on May 21, 2009, 03:51:36 PM
Quote from: "Jolly Sapper"Quote from: "McQ"BTW, my post was meant to show some of the arguments that I've heard and wanted to believe, back in the day. "Real christians" use that rationale every day to explain misery, sickness, evil, etc. You guys realize that it's bullshit and that I haven't suddenly turned religiotarded, right?
I'm pretty sure you'd have to try a lot harder than that to convince us that you've "turned."
Haha, indeed.