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I am an atheist. I tried my luck with Christianity, but couldn't find it was right for me. And I believe everyone should believe what ever they want to. People shouldn't tell others how to think. Everyone has their own feelings and opinions and they should be able to express them. Not only that, in America (sorry if this does not apply to all) we have the freedom of religion. But anyway, I got talking about this because of a text message I got. Someone tried to insult me by calling me gay, and I asked if they had a problem with it. This hardcore christian then replied with the following:
"I have a problem with you. So stop texting me. And yes gay sex is nasty and God spits on anyone who is gay. read the bible if you don't believe me. Now i..."
I decided to post this because I'm immature, and homosexuality ties to Christianity through the bible. Now I completely disagree with what she said, I believe that's ignorance at its worst. Any opinions?

It sounds like the person texting you couldn't think of anything mean ENOUGH to say, so she started spouting off about homosexuality.  Who even knows where that came from, but she sounds like an ignorant, pitiful person who probably isn't very smart.  Seriously, that's the best she could do for an insult??  

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Quote from: "disposablechild"I am an atheist. I tried my luck with Christianity, but couldn't find it was right for me. And I believe everyone should believe what ever they want to. People shouldn't tell others how to think. Everyone has their own feelings and opinions and they should be able to express them. Not only that, in America (sorry if this does not apply to all) we have the freedom of religion. But anyway, I got talking about this because of a text message I got. Someone tried to insult me by calling me gay, and I asked if they had a problem with it. This hardcore christian then replied with the following:
"I have a problem with you. So stop texting me. And yes gay sex is nasty and God spits on anyone who is gay. read the bible if you don't believe me. Now i..."
I decided to post this because I'm immature, and homosexuality ties to Christianity through the bible. Now I completely disagree with what she said, I believe that's ignorance at its worst. Any opinions?

Text her one last time, apologise for texting her back in the first place, let her know you are deleting her number as soon as you press send and thank her profusely for her "kind" christian thoughts :D

She's an idiot. Ignore that kind of stupidity, lest it gets on you and you have to pay for the dry cleaning.

She sounds just about as intelligent as this guy:
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This used to annoy me when I was younger, but then I realized that it wasn't really the opinion that gay sex is "nasty" that annoyed me -- I think that straight sex is nasty -- it was the act of stating this. I wouldn't walk up to people and tell them how nasty the thought of them having sex is to me. That's is quite rude, and I see no point at all in stating it other than to insult. It's just a mean thing to say.

You don't walk up to people that you don't find physically attractive, and tell them how nasty the thought of them naked is to you (unless you lack a social conscience). That's just cruel.

I'd tell her not to knock it until she has tried it. At least my opinion comes from experience.  

When I was a theist, I thought of gays as unnatural, but I never felt that they should be mistreated, I felt that what they did with each other in the bedroom was THEIR buisness and not mine or anyone elses for that matter.

Now as an agnostic atheist...I don't think of being gay as unnatural, but something that isn't too common amongst species - but it exists in nature. My stance on gays hasn't changed much really, I was always a softie to every one even as a theist

Quote from: "Sorz"When I was a theist, I thought of gays as unnatural, but I never felt that they should be mistreated, I felt that what they did with each other in the bedroom was THEIR buisness and not mine or anyone elses for that matter.

Now as an agnostic atheist...I don't think of being gay as unnatural, but something that isn't too common amongst species - but it exists in nature. My stance on gays hasn't changed much really, I was always a softie to every one even as a theist

Same.  I was told a couple times that I was being soft as a way to please everyone, but in that, I was sidestepping God's will.  I took their word for it, point blank, but now I realize how stupid that was.

For instance disposablechild, I have no problem with saying whoever you were talking to is a bigoted ass.  And I'd add a good bit if I thought it was willful, but odds are strong they had their opinion on the matter chosen for them, with no reasoning of their own applied at any point in the process.

You know, homosexual relationships involve more than just having sex privately in backrooms. A lot of us want social, and public recognition, and endorsement of our relationships as legitimate, and to have families, and lives that don't involve hiding, just like you normies.

Quote from: "Hitsumei"You know, homosexual relationships involve more than just having sex privately in backrooms. A lot of us want social, and public recognition, and endorsement of our relationships as legitimate, and to have families, and lives that don't involve hiding, just like you normies.

Freedom to be yourself. What a novel concept. I like it.

I don't think gay people should try and reason with fundamentalist Christians. Their argument is pretty clear cut:

QuoteLeviticus 18:22  Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13  If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

It is not helpful to argue with someone who's is calling for a group of people's death. Luckily for gay people, most people haven't read the Bible, or if they have, just cherry pick the parts they like. There are some nutjobs, like the notorious Westboro Baptist Church who make the persecution of homosexuals their central tenant.

I would recommend to the original poster of this topic, to use the Bible against the Bible Thumper. In the book of Samuel, there is a description of a very Brokeback Mountain style relationship between David and Jonathan, who "kissed one another, and wept with one another." It even includes an angry rant from David's father, ashamed of their homosexual love:

Quote(20:30) "Thou hast chosen the son of Jesse to thine own confusion, and unto the confusion of thy mother's nakedness."

This whole story of David's relationship with Jonathan, perhaps the love of his life, is sure to make anti-gay Christians very uncomfortable.

I hate gays. The drown puppies and made the jews.

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The ironic thing is those who are cruel to homosexuals are usually fighting something within themselves. I would direct her toward the study that concluded this. If nothing els, it should at least shut her up.

The song is great, by the way. Though, the preview frame confuses me, you know, down there.

Is anyone else mildly concerned that this hit and run poster one and only post on this forum is a "hot topic" (I did air quotes in the rw too lol). I also noticed that the first thing he did was qualify his first post's first sentence by stating that hes an atheist. I might just be jaded from so many loaded questions, innocent quizes, and "hit and runs" over the years but something about the OP rings false with me. Apologies ahead of time if your real.

I never really understood what the big deal is. Love is love. Who cares whos putting what into where. I have a theory however. The taboo may have arisen because of a cultural need to expand the influence of christianity/other religions. Its easier to do this with a higher population(More people to fight for your side as well as to peacefully displace rival groups.). And obviously gay couples don't have very many children(That was a joke). A lot of our cultural taboos don't make much sense in modern context. What can ya do? The "rules" are taught to us from birth and we're made to believe that without them we lose our cultural identity(And become a morally corrupt outcast in the process perhaps. This threat is what subconsciously enforces the taboos and makes the weak willed into willing slaves to the culture. (Hive mind lol)). We should all consider ourselves lucky that we are strong willed enough to abandon old customs and prejudices when they cease to make sense for us. The rest of the world seems to be too weak to think for themselves sometimes, we should pity them and definately ignore their inane ranting when we find it offensive. Maybe we secularists will oneday lead the mindless rabble into some sort of true utopia? Or maybe history will continue as always, with but a small percentage of the population actually being aware of whats really going on and the rest just following blindly most anthing they are told. Has anyone seen the movie "Idiocrasy"? I fear we've been living in one for millenia. I find myself feeling more and more like an intellectual giant among a sea of drooling idiots everyday. What about the rest of you?

Quote from: "Prometheus"Love is love. Who cares whos putting what into where.

My sentiments, exactly.

I also believe that people who have over-the-top reactions and disgust toward homosexuality often harboring confusing feelings about their own sexualities.

Quote from: "disposablechild"I am an atheist. I tried my luck with Christianity, but couldn't find it was right for me. And I believe everyone should believe what ever they want to. People shouldn't tell others how to think. Everyone has their own feelings and opinions and they should be able to express them. Not only that, in America (sorry if this does not apply to all) we have the freedom of religion. But anyway, I got talking about this because of a text message I got. Someone tried to insult me by calling me gay, and I asked if they had a problem with it. This hardcore christian then replied with the following:
"I have a problem with you. So stop texting me. And yes gay sex is nasty and God spits on anyone who is gay. read the bible if you don't believe me. Now i..."
I decided to post this because I'm immature, and homosexuality ties to Christianity through the bible. Now I completely disagree with what she said, I believe that's ignorance at its worst. Any opinions?

I'm a Christian, and I believe homosexuality is a curse from Satan.

Just imagine if the very first two living species (male and female) were not attracted to each other? I think we would have a huge problem!!

Homosexuality + no reproductive system = no origin of life.

you people who support homosexuality better think about that one!

Quote from: "Psalm23"I'm a Christian, and I believe homosexuality is a curse from Satan.

Just imagine if the very first two living species (male and female) were not attracted to each other? I think we would have a huge problem!!

Homosexuality + no reproductive system = no origin of life.

you people who support homosexuality better think about that one!

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Quote from: "Psalm23"Just imagine if the very first two living species (male and female) were not attracted to each other? I think we would have a huge problem!!

Homosexuality + no reproductive system = no origin of life.

you people who support homosexuality better think about that one!

While I love curio's response (nice one!  Love Fry!), I have to point out that your premise only works if we accept the ludicrous premise that life started with two humans created by a sky god.  Because that is not scientifically possible, your argument is nul and void.

Besides, perhaps god created or allows homosexuality for purposes of population control.  You people who don't support homosexuality better think about that one.

Next.

Quote from: "Psalm23"I'm a Christian, and I believe homosexuality is a curse from Satan.

Are you a homosexual? If not, then in what way do you feel that you are cursed by homosexuality? I certainly don't feel that I am cursed. I actually think that my life is pretty good.

QuoteJust imagine if the very first two living species (male and female) were not attracted to each other? I think we would have a huge problem!!

There were no "first two living species", and I think you mean organisms, as species don't tend to interbreed in the wild. The first life was all asexual, and reproduced without sharing genetic information with other members of the species, so for quite a long time, all life was female, and then males were a way to double the genetic diversity available for selection in offspring.

QuoteHomosexuality + no reproductive system = no origin of life.

Homosexuals are not infertile, generally, we can still reproduce offspring if we wanted. People have sex with people they're not really attracted to all the time. I don't know why people seem to think that homosexuals can't have children.

Quoteyou people who support homosexuality better think about that one!

Yes, I've heard of all these strange, ill-conceived objections before. I think that a little more thought on the subject would retard one from putting forward "that one".

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Explain.

Heaven knows we're horribly underpopulated and we're drowning in so much excess food that we need to breed more children to eat it all.  

Only when no child goes to bed hungry dare we complain if people don't or can't reproduce together.

I can't reproduce because someone shoved a knife through my uterus, does that mean I should be banned from having sex because I can't reproduce?

Even freakish, selfish, child abusive quiverfull religious nuts can only have 17 or 18 children in a lifetime - even they have lots and lots of sex without reproduction.  Should they be punished or hated for all that non-reproductive sex they've had?

I can't understand why "the religion of love" fears love yet loves hate so much.

Quote from: "rlrose328"Besides, perhaps god created or allows homosexuality for purposes of population control.  You people who don't support homosexuality better think about that one. Next.

Hi, and let me correct you on something. God does not allow homosexuality! Do you know how I know? Here, let me help you out..

"Man SHALL NOT lay with a man, and a woman SHALL NOT lay with a woman!"

I'm sorry, but God vomits at homosexuality..

Did it say anything about gay marrage?

Quote from: "Psalm23"I'm sorry, but God vomits at homosexuality..

Of course the god of hate would vomit on sexualities that don't support a patriarchy!  What else are we to expect of a god created to justify hatred?  That Jesus character was just thrown in there by some damned hippies trying to confuse you.  All that stupid stuff about loving people - what a moron!  

Love is horribly counter to a society that arranges marriages by their financial and political expediency while supporting the notion that women are unequal to men, a kind of cattle to be traded between men.  What if people were to marry out of love instead of a desire to produce heirs and soldiers for god?  That would be awful in such a society!

If women thought that reproduction and service to men were not their only purpose in life they might stop marrying old men that beat them and force them to the childbed.  They might get silly ideas like that women shouldn't be sold or exchanged by the fathers that own them from conception to the husbands that own them upon marriage and then are free to do anything to them - as long as the stick they beat them with is not too big.

The whole society might fall apart if men refused to follow the rules and chose their partners from love.  How could the patriarchy keep its hold if men stopped caring about producing the right heirs and cared about finding someone to love and cherish their whole life long?  Inevitably some of those partners of love would be men as some men are naturally inclined to love men.

Since those clinging to the patriarchal society can't prove that male-female marriages aren't proper heir producing vehicles they turn their grasping hands to homosexual marriages which fly in the face of keeping a patriarchal society based on heirs to serve the father and the god.

The problem with trying to control people's feelings is that society, unlike some types of religion, has evolved.  In civilized places, women are no longer bred to death as a rule.  Women are equals and valued in their own right as humans rather than as mere vessels for seed.  It's allowable for people to marry for love.  The population is in no danger of dying out.  In civilized countries people are now free to choose a religion rather than forced to follow one upon pain of death.

Surely, you "sin" every day of your life, often in ways you have no plan to change.  So why choose this particular sin to feel better about yourself?  Are you trying to diminish or cover for your own sins by choosing to point out the sin of love?

That hippie Jesus and all his talk of love - I get the impression that if he were real, he would vomit on hatred and desires to coerce others to your will.  That character seemed to think people should come to him willingly not because the hounds of god were nipping at their heels in hatred.

Kylyssa, expand on that and turn it into a blog or AP post. Don't want that energy to go to waste on someone like Psalm.

Quote from: "Psalm23"Hi, and let me correct you on something. God does not allow homosexuality! Do you know how I know? Here, let me help you out..

"Man SHALL NOT lay with a man, and a woman SHALL NOT lay with a woman!"

I'm sorry, but God vomits at homosexuality..

Verse please.  Please provide the verse that says that god vomits at homosexuality.  I just love how christians act as if they know what was meant in every thing someone wrote down that was added to the bible.  And how you cherry pick which things are to be taken literally and which are not. Who are you to know what makes god vomit?  I bet you guys kick ass during shakespear in class.  Why aren't you all picketing the social service offices to get our right to beat our kids to quiet submission back, or joining government to put women back in their place and to bring back slavery?  

By the way if you were referring to Leviticus 18:6 in the wuote above it does not say "woman shall not lay with a woman"...please review your bible.  Also, this was not directed towards the layman nor to christians.

Oh, and please provide the passage that has anything about homosexuality being addressed by jesus....

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God <3 lesbians!

Also, Psalm's post reminds me of the south park episode where Mrs' Garrison grows a penis on a mouse.

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Quote from: "rlrose328"Besides, perhaps god created or allows homosexuality for purposes of population control.  You people who don't support homosexuality better think about that one. Next.

Hi, and let me correct you on something. God does not allow homosexuality! Do you know how I know? Here, let me help you out..

"Man SHALL NOT lay with a man, and a woman SHALL NOT lay with a woman!"

I'm sorry, but God vomits at homosexuality..

But that's the thing, isn't it.  God continued to exist after the bible was written... can you honestly tell me that you know for sure that God has never  changed his mind and just never let anyone know so they could write it down?  Religion is finite, unchanging.  The world is ALWAYS changing.  Science is always changing.

So... perhaps got ALLOWS or CREATED homosexuality to purposes of population control.  Your bible quote means nothing to the world as a whole.  

And really... you want to worship a being who vomits on people and things?  

Quote from: "Kylyssa"That hippie Jesus and all his talk of love - I get the impression that if he were real, he would vomit on hatred and desires to coerce others to your will.  That character seemed to think people should come to him willingly not because the hounds of god were nipping at their heels in hatred.

 :hail:

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Quote from: "disposablechild"I am an atheist. I tried my luck with Christianity, but couldn't find it was right for me. And I believe everyone should believe what ever they want to. People shouldn't tell others how to think. Everyone has their own feelings and opinions and they should be able to express them. Not only that, in America (sorry if this does not apply to all) we have the freedom of religion. But anyway, I got talking about this because of a text message I got. Someone tried to insult me by calling me gay, and I asked if they had a problem with it. This hardcore christian then replied with the following:
"I have a problem with you. So stop texting me. And yes gay sex is nasty and God spits on anyone who is gay. read the bible if you don't believe me. Now i..."
I decided to post this because I'm immature, and homosexuality ties to Christianity through the bible. Now I completely disagree with what she said, I believe that's ignorance at its worst. Any opinions?

I'm a Christian, and I believe homosexuality is a curse from Satan.

Just imagine if the very first two living species (male and female) were not attracted to each other? I think we would have a huge problem!!

Homosexuality + no reproductive system = no origin of life.

you people who support homosexuality better think about that one!

Do you really care that much what other people do with their own lives? You are religious so in your mind you are going to heaven. What do you care what other people do? Surely it is their choice to go to hell....

Stop whining and let people do with their lives what they wish.

Or do you prefer to be thought of as a bigot?

Quote from: "Psalm23"

Quote from: "rlrose328"Besides, perhaps god created or allows homosexuality for purposes of population control.  You people who don't support homosexuality better think about that one. Next.

Hi, and let me correct you on something. God does not allow homosexuality! Do you know how I know? Here, let me help you out..

"Man SHALL NOT lay with a man, and a woman SHALL NOT lay with a woman!"

I'm sorry, but God vomits at homosexuality..

I projectile vomit on religious lunatics.

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Everyone take a step back.  Way back.  Stop anthropomorphizing humanity.  

QuoteAt the cutting edge of Darwinism, there's really no difference between a computer virus and a biological virus, with human consciousness somewhere in between.  -H+ Magazine

The universe is composed of recombinant information.  Be it, weather patterns, gravitational patters, or the interactions of proteins, the only thing that makes it unique is that it has the ability to interact with the universe in such a way that it's existence continues, or something like it or almost like it is produced that can also survive.  Let's bring this home.

Homosexuality is a moot point.  Humanity is a moot point.  I've heard the argument that if everyone were homosexual then the human species would go extinct.  My answer:  so what?  Quarks, atoms, matter, the periodic table, planets, and biological life (among other things), are all quirks of the universe as we know it.  Suppose the entire universe as we know it is converted to higher states of energy and there's not one atom left connected to another.  From there, the universe through natural interactions and large amounts of time would restructure itself into something radically different from what we know now, but following the same basic principle: recombinant information; the perpetuation of patterns.

Of course from here, we could get into a lot of messy philosophy concerning free will, but that's another thread.

On that note, I don't care what homosexuals do because I'm not them and, in the end, it really doesn't matter.  If xtians are really trying to save them from an eternity in a giant torture chamber, you'd think they could at least be nice about it and bugger off when they're turned down.

I'm not going to tell anyone that homosexuality is wrong, but I believe that a woman is the missing part of the man and vice versa. It's probably because I'm not gay, but I couldn't imagine what it would be like to spend the rest of my life with another man. I guess it's just what kind of world you want to live in.

Quote from: "Graham"It's probably because I'm not gay, but I couldn't imagine what it would be like to spend the rest of my life with another man.

I think that's probably precisely why you couldn't imagine it.

Quote from: "Graham"I believe that a woman is the missing part of the man and vice versa.

That's pretty presumptive.  You're saying that approximately 12,000,000 people in the United States alone are incomplete because they're gay.

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Quote from: "Graham"It's probably because I'm not gay, but I couldn't imagine what it would be like to spend the rest of my life with another man.

I think that's probably precisely why you couldn't imagine it.

I imagine there would be less arguments, and more drinking+sports.

Sounds tempting.

Quote from: "Graham"It's probably because I'm not gay, but I couldn't imagine what it would be like to spend the rest of my life with another man. I guess it's just what kind of world you want to live in.

I can. I just wouldn't be driven to put my penis in his anus, or vice-versa (not that that is the definition of being gay but you get my point). Apart from living a life being rather sexually unfulfilled, i'd be rather happy in the company of another man. Better that than being alone for the rest of my days. This is the age of the broseph, after all.

Everyone deserves equal treatment. How can anyone claim what is right and wrong? Homosexuality is nothing to be ashamed of. If you are in love with another man that's fine by me. If a woman is involved with another woman that's fine by me. I honestly don't see what's so wrong and hideous about it.

Wow this is an old post. I only joined thsi to make this post, not thinking anyone would view it let alone comment on it. Cool. I kinds of think i should've cooled down before going to this extent. Umm... I'm back!

I have no problem whatsoever with homosexuality.

I have no problem with polygamy either.

Neither am I bothered by incest.

What any number of consenting adults want to put in each other, in privacy, is of no concern to me.

Quote from: "Tanker"Is anyone else mildly concerned that this hit and run poster one and only post on this forum is a "hot topic" (I did air quotes in the rw too ). I also noticed that the first thing he did was qualify his first post's first sentence by stating that hes an atheist. I might just be jaded from so many loaded questions, innocent quizes, and "hit and runs" over the years but something about the OP rings false with me. Apologies ahead of time if your real.

yes that was a hasty post months ago and i forgot about it. i came back and saw all the replies and was amazed. hey, i'm here to stay.

Quote from: "thiolsulfate"I have no problem whatsoever with homosexuality.

I have no problem with polygamy either.

Neither am I bothered by incest.

What any number of consenting adults want to put in each other, in privacy, is of no concern to me.

I agree. people who hate homosexuals 95% of the time are really ignorant. I have a few gay friends and they are really cool guys. Well i guess as long as there are ignorant people some minority has to be hated upon -.-

I do think your opinion on gays is directly linked to your beliefs. I'm bi and I've so far told three friends, two Atheists and one Christian. My Atheist friends were fine, they apparently didn't expect it at all but they were supportive. My other friend.....not so much. He started right off on how god hates gays(even though I'm only half gay) and tried to "fix" me.