Title: Et Tu, Canada?
Post by: grahamers on March 18, 2009, 04:34:41 PM
Post by: grahamers on March 18, 2009, 04:34:41 PM
Apparently, Canada's Science Minister doesn't believe in evolution:
http://galileogallery.blogspot.com/2009 ... anada.html (http://galileogallery.blogspot.com/2009/03/et-tu-canada.html)
Doesn't he know it goes: fish, reptile, hockey player, ape, homo sapien?
http://galileogallery.blogspot.com/2009 ... anada.html (http://galileogallery.blogspot.com/2009/03/et-tu-canada.html)
Doesn't he know it goes: fish, reptile, hockey player, ape, homo sapien?
Title: Re: Et Tu, Canada?
Post by: Hitsumei on March 18, 2009, 04:40:57 PM
Post by: Hitsumei on March 18, 2009, 04:40:57 PM
Excuse me while I write a series of what a Canadian considers to be angry letters.
Title: Re: Et Tu, Canada?
Post by: PipeBox on March 18, 2009, 04:49:03 PM
Post by: PipeBox on March 18, 2009, 04:49:03 PM
Makes me wonder how you can get the job of Science Minister when you discard what science you don't like. His job is to advise others based on the state of the sciences, no? Seems counter-productive to the job, and if it weren't evolution, I'd be surprised if he was able to get away with it. Anyone know any Science Ministers who ascribe to geocentrism?
Title: Re: Et Tu, Canada?
Post by: Will on March 18, 2009, 05:30:08 PM
Post by: Will on March 18, 2009, 05:30:08 PM
Quote from: "Hitsumei"Excuse me while I write a series of what a Canadian considers to be angry letters.An angry Canadian letter? Like this?
QuoteHello, Friend.So much hatred and venom!
I'm corresponding with you today out of a concern over scientific honesty. It's been brought to my attention that you hold beliefs that may not be in accordance with your position. I find this to be somewhat disconcerting. I respectfully request that you review the evidence for evolution and keep an open mind.
Have a wonderful day,
Canadian
Title: Re: Et Tu, Canada?
Post by: Hitsumei on March 18, 2009, 05:38:11 PM
Post by: Hitsumei on March 18, 2009, 05:38:11 PM
That actually reads very much like something I'd write. When I write letters like this I always say "it has been recently brought to my attention".
Title: Re: Et Tu, Canada?
Post by: Will on March 18, 2009, 06:07:18 PM
Post by: Will on March 18, 2009, 06:07:18 PM
The poor fellow has now said that he supports evolution, and to prove it he gave an inaccurate description of the process.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090317.wevol0317/BNStory/politics/?page=rss&id=RTGAM.20090317.wevol0317
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090317.wevol0317/BNStory/politics/?page=rss&id=RTGAM.20090317.wevol0317
Title: Re: Et Tu, Canada?
Post by: grahamers on March 18, 2009, 07:01:05 PM
Post by: grahamers on March 18, 2009, 07:01:05 PM
Which begs the question: Why is it that in Canada there is such an outcry over a Science minister denying evolution while in the U.S., three of the SERIOUS candidates for the presidency said that they don't believe in evolution (http://galileogallery.blogspot.com/2009/03/religion-declining-in-us-good-news-bad.html) and no-one batted an eye? I guess I owe the Canadians an apology.
Title: Re: Et Tu, Canada?
Post by: Will on March 18, 2009, 07:11:13 PM
Post by: Will on March 18, 2009, 07:11:13 PM
Canada is generally a lot smarter and more capable than their neighbors to the south, especially when it comes to government. They've got more than 2 political parties, a budget surplus, a very low crime rate, universal health care, and a slew of other things. Sure, Canada gave us Celene Dion, but we forgave them for that years ago. As an American, the last thing I want is for Canada to make the same mistakes we're making. I'm having a tough enough time trying to clean up our messes.
Title: Re: Et Tu, Canada?
Post by: Ihateyoumike on March 18, 2009, 07:22:55 PM
Post by: Ihateyoumike on March 18, 2009, 07:22:55 PM
Quote from: "Will"Sure, Canada gave us Celene Dion, but we forgave them for that years ago.
I can never forgive them for that!
Title: Re: Et Tu, Canada?
Post by: McQ on March 18, 2009, 07:33:23 PM
Post by: McQ on March 18, 2009, 07:33:23 PM
Excuse me for a moment while I say...
Holy Shit!!!
I just read the guy's back-pedaling explanation of how he believes in evolution and was stunned that he believes in something that Darwin himself tried to make people understand is wrong. Good grief, has this guy ever heard of Natural Selection?
But then again, he is a "doctor" of chiropractic medicine, so I guess Canada should have known what they were in for when they appointed him.
I have to go lie down now for awhile.
Holy Shit!!!
I just read the guy's back-pedaling explanation of how he believes in evolution and was stunned that he believes in something that Darwin himself tried to make people understand is wrong. Good grief, has this guy ever heard of Natural Selection?
Quote from: "the canadian whackadoo"On Tuesday, Mr. Goodyear said twice during the CTV interview that he did believe in evolution.
“We are evolving every year, every decade. That's a fact, whether it is to the intensity of the sun, whether it is to, as a chiropractor, walking on cement versus anything else, whether it is running shoes or high heels, of course we are evolving to our environment. But that's not relevant and that is why I refused to answer the question. The interview was about our science and tech strategy, which is strong.â€
But then again, he is a "doctor" of chiropractic medicine, so I guess Canada should have known what they were in for when they appointed him.
I have to go lie down now for awhile.
Title: Re: Et Tu, Canada?
Post by: SteveS on March 18, 2009, 07:44:29 PM
Post by: SteveS on March 18, 2009, 07:44:29 PM
Canada is okay with me --- but then again, my Dad is still a Canadian citizen (never naturalized), so, I may be tad biased. (Does this mean I'm half Canadian?) Plus, I love hockey. Which means I have to take exception to this statement:
Quote from: "grahamers"Doesn't he know it goes: fish, reptile, hockey player, ape, homo sapien?Come on now; that's just silly. I know a great many hockey players, and only some of them are pre-simian.
Title: Re: Et Tu, Canada?
Post by: Hitsumei on March 18, 2009, 08:26:05 PM
Post by: Hitsumei on March 18, 2009, 08:26:05 PM
Quote from: "Will"Sure, Canada gave us Celene Dion, but we forgave them for that years ago.
Forgiving means that you stop bringing it up!
Title: Re: Et Tu, Canada?
Post by: LARA on March 19, 2009, 12:33:23 AM
Post by: LARA on March 19, 2009, 12:33:23 AM
Anyone got a link to the original Globe and Mail interview the science minister gave over which this whole thing started up? I tried to find it but was unsuccessful.
And shouldn't it be "Eh" Tu, Canada?
(Why isn't there a vomiting smiley around here somewhere?)
And shouldn't it be "Eh" Tu, Canada?
(Why isn't there a vomiting smiley around here somewhere?)
Title: Re: Et Tu, Canada?
Post by: Hitsumei on March 19, 2009, 01:36:40 AM
Post by: Hitsumei on March 19, 2009, 01:36:40 AM
Quote from: "LARA"Anyone got a link to the original Globe and Mail interview the science minister gave over which this whole thing started up? I tried to find it but was unsuccessful.
And shouldn't it be "Eh" Tu, Canada?
(Why isn't there a vomiting smiley around here somewhere?)
In the linked article, the word "reporting" links to it, but here (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090317.wgoodyear16/BNStory/National/home) it is, in any case.
Title: Re: Et Tu, Canada?
Post by: Ninteen45 on March 19, 2009, 06:03:05 PM
Post by: Ninteen45 on March 19, 2009, 06:03:05 PM
WTH? So, He's a christian, Unless he starts cutting budgets left and right should we avoid a lynching.
Title: Re: Et Tu, Canada?
Post by: PipeBox on March 19, 2009, 08:46:38 PM
Post by: PipeBox on March 19, 2009, 08:46:38 PM
Oh, he can believe whatever he wants, so long as he has his facts straight. An understanding of science is sorta part of the job. If he were willing to live in cognitive dissonance to maintain his position, a conflict between his comprehensive understanding of evolution and his desire for the Bible to be truth and/or to not be an evolved life form, that'd be fine. I really doubt this is the case. In fact, if you read the article, you'll find it isn't.
*EDIT*
He has since "clarified" that he does indeed believe in evolution. To prove this to us, he gave a comment describing exactly what it is not. Guy is a chiropractor. I've got to ask Canada again: WTH?
*EDIT*
He has since "clarified" that he does indeed believe in evolution. To prove this to us, he gave a comment describing exactly what it is not. Guy is a chiropractor. I've got to ask Canada again: WTH?
Title: Re: Et Tu, Canada?
Post by: Tanker on March 19, 2009, 09:42:59 PM
Post by: Tanker on March 19, 2009, 09:42:59 PM
Quote from: "Will"Canada is generally a lot smarter and more capable than their neighbors to the south, especially when it comes to government. They've got more than 2 political parties, a budget surplus, a very low crime rate, universal health care, and a slew of other things. Sure, Canada gave us Celene Dion, but we forgave them for that years ago. As an American, the last thing I want is for Canada to make the same mistakes we're making. I'm having a tough enough time trying to clean up our messes.
I would just like to point out that America does infact have more then two political parties. We have dozens of others but added together they probably don't make up more then 10% of 15% of the total. That is of course not take into account all the people registered as independent so they don't have to vote for a paticular candidate only because they are a party member. Everything was right on as far as I know.
That said I think it's ridiculous for a science minister to be so totaly ignorant of science, that seems like something Bush would pull.
I'm curious what are the religious demogrphics of Canada? What is your percentage of Atheists? (I'm to lazy to look it up myself.