Title: Obama Reverses Restrictions on Stem Cell Research
Post by: Godless on March 07, 2009, 11:17:24 PM
Post by: Godless on March 07, 2009, 11:17:24 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29554619/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29554619/)
Hurray for Obama! Now maybe shit can actually get done without Bible Boy Bush's born-again Christian policies impeding science. Kudos to our president.
Hurray for Obama! Now maybe shit can actually get done without Bible Boy Bush's born-again Christian policies impeding science. Kudos to our president.
Title: Re: Obama Reverses Restrictions on Stem Cell Research
Post by: VanReal on March 08, 2009, 04:17:50 PM
Post by: VanReal on March 08, 2009, 04:17:50 PM
Too bad this didn't happen before octomom was allowed to implant her remaining embryos.....
I really hope this goes through without a massive uproar from the fundies, which is not likely. This is a pivotal move for our new president, hope all goes well.
I really hope this goes through without a massive uproar from the fundies, which is not likely. This is a pivotal move for our new president, hope all goes well.
Title: Re: Obama Reverses Restrictions on Stem Cell Research
Post by: curiosityandthecat on March 08, 2009, 04:47:20 PM
Post by: curiosityandthecat on March 08, 2009, 04:47:20 PM
Hooray for smart people having power!
Title: Re: Obama Reverses Restrictions on Stem Cell Research
Post by: Twiddler on March 08, 2009, 09:45:25 PM
Post by: Twiddler on March 08, 2009, 09:45:25 PM
Its nice to see science starting to make a comeback...
Title: Re: Obama Reverses Restrictions on Stem Cell Research
Post by: karadan on March 09, 2009, 09:08:56 AM
Post by: karadan on March 09, 2009, 09:08:56 AM
Yay!! That is definitely something to drink to when i go to the pub tonight.
Well done USA for electing someone with a brain!
Well done USA for electing someone with a brain!
Title: Re: Obama Reverses Restrictions on Stem Cell Research
Post by: liveyoungdiefast on March 09, 2009, 05:32:46 PM
Post by: liveyoungdiefast on March 09, 2009, 05:32:46 PM
Let the fundies roar, as long as they're powerless once again they can roar away.
This is a great victory for health, and common sense. I think anyone who seriously thinks an embryo created in a lab is a human being with a soul needs to check themselves into a mental institution as well.
This is a great victory for health, and common sense. I think anyone who seriously thinks an embryo created in a lab is a human being with a soul needs to check themselves into a mental institution as well.
Title: Re: Obama Reverses Restrictions on Stem Cell Research
Post by: Hitsumei on March 10, 2009, 07:27:38 AM
Post by: Hitsumei on March 10, 2009, 07:27:38 AM
This is excellent news indeed. I was very very pleased to hear that he would be over turning that decision so early in his term. We know that the us has at least two solid years of medical advancement ahead of her.
Title: Re: Obama Reverses Restrictions on Stem Cell Research
Post by: Lilbeth on March 15, 2009, 12:55:22 AM
Post by: Lilbeth on March 15, 2009, 12:55:22 AM
I say YAH, as well! I was moved to tears when he signed that......Finally, the Bush regime is over for now, unless Jeb is waiting in the wings for the future.....GHOD, I hope not....Obama is my man, too.
Title: Re: Obama Reverses Restrictions on Stem Cell Research
Post by: Kodanshi on March 15, 2009, 01:47:23 PM
Post by: Kodanshi on March 15, 2009, 01:47:23 PM
I read about this a few days ago and it really thrilled me. It seems America has indeed elected a decent president. Now why couldn’t he have taken over from Gordon Brown instead?! 
Title: Re: Obama Reverses Restrictions on Stem Cell Research
Post by: McQ on March 15, 2009, 04:21:18 PM
Post by: McQ on March 15, 2009, 04:21:18 PM
In a way, this is more important as a socio-political advancement than a medical breakthrough, since pluripotent stem cells can be gathered in several ways. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for it. But from a medical standpoint, we were doing pretty well with learning to gather stem cells from sources other than fetal tissue or embryos.
But this will help lift a big burden and bad stigma off of the research that's being done and allow researchers a wider range of options. That very good. So +1 for this decision!
But this will help lift a big burden and bad stigma off of the research that's being done and allow researchers a wider range of options. That very good. So +1 for this decision!
Title: Re: Obama Reverses Restrictions on Stem Cell Research
Post by: verybigv on March 17, 2009, 06:08:30 PM
Post by: verybigv on March 17, 2009, 06:08:30 PM
liveyoungdiefast: I'm an agnostic/atheist.I am very humanist. I don't believe in god. But I do believe that an embryo created in a lab very well might be human. I don't believe it has a soul (unless it came from the James Brown stem cell line). What's going to happen to these embryoes if they are allowed to develop a little further for the advancement of science? When will they be human enough for legal,moral and ethical protection? I'd rather err on the side of caution and say "now".
Title: Re: Obama Reverses Restrictions on Stem Cell Research
Post by: Sophus on March 18, 2009, 08:04:49 PM
Post by: Sophus on March 18, 2009, 08:04:49 PM
QuoteBut I do believe that an embryo created in a lab very well might be human.
It's only as much human as the egg you ate for breakfast is chicken.
Title: Re: Obama Reverses Restrictions on Stem Cell Research
Post by: verybigv on March 19, 2009, 12:55:04 AM
Post by: verybigv on March 19, 2009, 12:55:04 AM
Sophus: Then why don't they use chicken embryoes for stem cell research? This is obviously a rhetorical question. We all know that a chicken embryo develops into a chicken. With any luck, and compassion, a human embryo develops into a human.
Title: Re: Obama Reverses Restrictions on Stem Cell Research
Post by: Hitsumei on March 19, 2009, 01:30:54 AM
Post by: Hitsumei on March 19, 2009, 01:30:54 AM
Depends on what you mean by "human", if you mean a member of the hominid family, then I would say as soon as they have the correct twenty three chromosome pairs (this is of course hyperbole, so if anyone feels the need to throw down syndrome at me, refrain), but then it is not really relevant. A hominid with a liquefied neocortex is no less a human, but I have zero qualms with not keeping their body alive.
If you mean a "human" in the sense of having the attributes of a person, then a child is not fully a human until roughly the age of five, when they have a fully developed self-awareness. Before the age of three, any mentally healthy adult ape is more of a person, and within the first six months to a year, pretty much any mentally healthy adult mammal is more of a person.
If you mean a "human" in the sense of having the attributes of a person, then a child is not fully a human until roughly the age of five, when they have a fully developed self-awareness. Before the age of three, any mentally healthy adult ape is more of a person, and within the first six months to a year, pretty much any mentally healthy adult mammal is more of a person.
Title: Re: Obama Reverses Restrictions on Stem Cell Research
Post by: Sophus on March 19, 2009, 01:50:57 AM
Post by: Sophus on March 19, 2009, 01:50:57 AM
Quote from: "verybigv"Sophus: Then why don't they use chicken embryoes for stem cell research? This is obviously a rhetorical question. We all know that a chicken embryo develops into a chicken. With any luck, and compassion, a human embryo develops into a human.
Well you answered your own question. And that's percisely my point: It will develop into a human. It would be difficult to transform into something if you're already that something. QED.
QuoteDepends on what you mean by "human", if you mean a member of the hominid family, then I would say as soon as they have the correct twenty three chromosome pairs (this is of course hyperbole, so if anyone feels the need to throw down syndrome at me, refrain), but then it is not really relevant. A hominid with a liquefied neocortex is no less a human, but I have zero qualms with not keeping their body alive.
If you mean a "human" in the sense of having the attributes of a person, then a child is not fully a human until roughly the age of five, when they have a fully developed self-awareness. Before the age of three, any mentally healthy adult ape is more of a person, and within the first six months to a year, pretty much any mentally healthy adult mammal is more of a person.
Not to be rude but you're just plain wrong.
Title: Re: Obama Reverses Restrictions on Stem Cell Research
Post by: Hitsumei on March 19, 2009, 10:06:50 PM
Post by: Hitsumei on March 19, 2009, 10:06:50 PM
Quote from: "Sophus"Not to be rude but you're just plain wrong.
About what specifically?
Title: Re: Obama Reverses Restrictions on Stem Cell Research
Post by: Kodanshi on March 19, 2009, 10:33:41 PM
Post by: Kodanshi on March 19, 2009, 10:33:41 PM
As opposed to goodâ€"looking wrong 
Title: Re: Obama Reverses Restrictions on Stem Cell Research
Post by: Hitsumei on March 19, 2009, 10:36:57 PM
Post by: Hitsumei on March 19, 2009, 10:36:57 PM
Quote from: "Kodanshi"As opposed to goodâ€"looking wrong
I do strive to be attractively-wrong.
Title: Re: Obama Reverses Restrictions on Stem Cell Research
Post by: Nulono on March 22, 2009, 10:07:29 PM
Post by: Nulono on March 22, 2009, 10:07:29 PM
He also repealed funding of adult stem cell research.
:sigh:
So much for governing from the center.
Embryonic stem cells are completely unnecessary. Scientists can make pluripotent stem cells from skin now (induced Pluripotent Stem cells), and adult stem cells are now encroaching onto turf once considered strictly embryonic turf. Embryonic stem cells have not helped a single patient, while adult stem cells have helped many. iPS cells are much safer and much less controversial.
:sigh:
So much for governing from the center.
Embryonic stem cells are completely unnecessary. Scientists can make pluripotent stem cells from skin now (induced Pluripotent Stem cells), and adult stem cells are now encroaching onto turf once considered strictly embryonic turf. Embryonic stem cells have not helped a single patient, while adult stem cells have helped many. iPS cells are much safer and much less controversial.
Title: Re: Obama Reverses Restrictions on Stem Cell Research
Post by: Kylyssa on March 22, 2009, 11:08:15 PM
Post by: Kylyssa on March 22, 2009, 11:08:15 PM
Quote from: "Kodanshi"I read about this a few days ago and it really thrilled me. It seems America has indeed elected a decent president. Now why couldn’t he have taken over from Gordon Brown instead?!
But you really can't deny we needed him more after the last eight years we have weathered.
Title: Re: Obama Reverses Restrictions on Stem Cell Research
Post by: McQ on March 23, 2009, 12:40:35 AM
Post by: McQ on March 23, 2009, 12:40:35 AM
Quote from: "Kylyssa"Quote from: "Kodanshi"I read about this a few days ago and it really thrilled me. It seems America has indeed elected a decent president. Now why couldn’t he have taken over from Gordon Brown instead?! :D
j/k!