Title: Scientists just found life on Mars!!!!
Post by: Runamukk on January 15, 2009, 10:50:58 PM
Post by: Runamukk on January 15, 2009, 10:50:58 PM
Here's the link:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... 133475.ece (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2133475.ece)
What do you guys think the implications of this are?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... 133475.ece (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2133475.ece)
What do you guys think the implications of this are?
Title: Re: Scientists just found life on Mars!!!!
Post by: Will on January 15, 2009, 11:13:08 PM
Post by: Will on January 15, 2009, 11:13:08 PM
It's fascinating. Still, we don't know if abiotic processes exist that could have created the methane, so this evidence needs corroboration. Still, it's a really good piece of evidence.
Title: Re: Scientists just found life on Mars!!!!
Post by: Asmodean on January 15, 2009, 11:19:01 PM
Post by: Asmodean on January 15, 2009, 11:19:01 PM
I'm hesitant to jump to any conclusions... Don't other planets and moons in our solar system have methane in their atmosphere..?
Title: Re: Scientists just found life on Mars!!!!
Post by: curiosityandthecat on January 16, 2009, 12:16:50 AM
Post by: curiosityandthecat on January 16, 2009, 12:16:50 AM
Wow.
(Insert doubtful scientific pessimism and rigor here.)
But... wow.
(Insert doubtful scientific pessimism and rigor here.)
But... wow.
Title: Re: Scientists just found life on Mars!!!!
Post by: Whitney on January 16, 2009, 12:30:07 AM
Post by: Whitney on January 16, 2009, 12:30:07 AM
Quote from: "Runamukk"Here's the link:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... 133475.ece (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2133475.ece)
What do you guys think the implications of this are?
While it is cool that they have found out more information about Mars, it's not yet something to be overly excited about. The methane could have been created by geological processes (even ones that are no longer active). They are needing to do more experiments to determine if life is a possible source or not.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mars/ ... thane.html (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mars/news/marsmethane.html)
Title: Re: Scientists just found life on Mars!!!!
Post by: SSY on January 16, 2009, 03:57:51 PM
Post by: SSY on January 16, 2009, 03:57:51 PM
Reported in The Sun? That alone makes me doubtful
However, this could just be amazing if its true, a totally seperate, independant form of life in no way connected to us. The universes own little reverse entropy engines popping up everywhere.
Did anything ever come from that meteorite from mars that NASA clamied to contain fossilised life?
However, this could just be amazing if its true, a totally seperate, independant form of life in no way connected to us. The universes own little reverse entropy engines popping up everywhere.
Did anything ever come from that meteorite from mars that NASA clamied to contain fossilised life?
Title: Re: Scientists just found life on Mars!!!!
Post by: Ihateyoumike on January 16, 2009, 06:30:55 PM
Post by: Ihateyoumike on January 16, 2009, 06:30:55 PM
Quote from: "SSY"Reported in The Sun? That alone makes me doubtful
However, this could just be amazing if its true, a totally seperate, independant form of life in no way connected to us. The universes own little reverse entropy engines popping up everywhere.
Did anything ever come from that meteorite from mars that NASA clamied to contain fossilised life?
That's funny, because that's the first thing my brother said when I sent it to him. "The Sun, isn't that just a tabloid?" Yeah, but the link to NASA's website makes it less doubtful. Except maybe to someone who thinks the moon-landing never occurred.
As for myself, I'm skeptical, but excited, because I would love to see PROOF in my lifetime of life elsewhere. It just seems to me by the sheer numbers, it HAS to exist somewhere else, in some form.
Title: Re: Scientists just found life on Mars!!!!
Post by: SSY on January 17, 2009, 04:32:58 AM
Post by: SSY on January 17, 2009, 04:32:58 AM
Oh I agree, the drake equation certainly predicts a lot of life out there, even with the most gloomy of inputs. Finding it on such a close planet, that was previously considered incompatible with life though, would drasticly change our view of finding life in the nearby universe.
If it was true, we would be 2/2 on finding life, thats pretty amazing when you think about how fragile life seems,
If it was true, we would be 2/2 on finding life, thats pretty amazing when you think about how fragile life seems,
Title: Re: Scientists just found life on Mars!!!!
Post by: Ihateyoumike on January 18, 2009, 08:20:57 AM
Post by: Ihateyoumike on January 18, 2009, 08:20:57 AM
Quote from: "SSY"If it was true, we would be 2/2 on finding life, thats pretty amazing when you think about how fragile life seems,
No kidding, and if we found life in 2 places in our tiny little solar system with life, it would seem that it would be vastly more abundant than anyone could have ever imagined.
How would the religious crowd spin that one, I wonder?
Title: Re: Scientists just found life on Mars!!!!
Post by: Ninteen45 on January 18, 2009, 06:30:35 PM
Post by: Ninteen45 on January 18, 2009, 06:30:35 PM
Quote from: "Ihateyoumike"How would the religious crowd spin that one, I wonder?
I can't wait to see Nasa on an expedition, only to find a missionary next to a pile of rocks!
Title: Re: Scientists just found life on Mars!!!!
Post by: MariaEvri on January 18, 2009, 07:32:56 PM
Post by: MariaEvri on January 18, 2009, 07:32:56 PM
Quote from: "Ihateyoumike"Quote from: "SSY"If it was true, we would be 2/2 on finding life, thats pretty amazing when you think about how fragile life seems,
How would the religious crowd spin that one, I wonder?
aw cmon we all know how
God/satan is tempting us XD
Title: Re: Scientists just found life on Mars!!!!
Post by: Kyuuketsuki on January 19, 2009, 11:12:55 AM
Post by: Kyuuketsuki on January 19, 2009, 11:12:55 AM
Quote from: "Runamukk"What do you guys think the implications of this are?
I think it's worrying that an atheist reads a comic ("The Sun").
Kyu
Title: Re: Scientists just found life on Mars!!!!
Post by: karadan on January 19, 2009, 12:44:15 PM
Post by: karadan on January 19, 2009, 12:44:15 PM
Quote from: "Ihateyoumike"Quote from: "SSY"If it was true, we would be 2/2 on finding life, thats pretty amazing when you think about how fragile life seems,
No kidding, and if we found life in 2 places in our tiny little solar system with life, it would seem that it would be vastly more abundant than anyone could have ever imagined.
How would the religious crowd spin that one, I wonder?
Indeed. I see an image like this:
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimagecache2.allposters.com%2Fimages%2Fpic%2FSTKPOD%2FGEN10027s%7EThe-Sombrero-Galaxy-Posters.jpg&hash=de3ff955e01d5eb8baaa29e3e584ff36766d1635)
And i think how can there not be life out there?
Title: Re: Scientists just found life on Mars!!!!
Post by: DennisK on January 20, 2009, 07:06:41 PM
Post by: DennisK on January 20, 2009, 07:06:41 PM
If it is true, what would be the probability of life on the other planets and moons in our solar system? How would that change our current understanding of life origins? 
Title: Re: Scientists just found life on Mars!!!!
Post by: SSY on January 21, 2009, 04:16:49 AM
Post by: SSY on January 21, 2009, 04:16:49 AM
Once we encounter aliens ( I am sure it will happen one day ), the religious crowd will have to face the fact that either god created them too, or that they are horribly, horribly wrong.
Also, I really hope we get over the whole religion thing before we meet martians, how embarrassing really.
Also, I really hope we get over the whole religion thing before we meet martians, how embarrassing really.
Title: Re: Scientists just found life on Mars!!!!
Post by: Arie on February 14, 2009, 02:12:31 AM
Post by: Arie on February 14, 2009, 02:12:31 AM
Hi Runamukk and everyone,
In a book I have been reading for eight years now...it says that our universe contains millions upon millions of inhabited worlds in various stages of development. It says that these inhabited worlds are actually originated by a multitude of "life implantation" techniques by a higher order of beings. These beings are called, "Life Carriers" who are the very intelligent creatures who "plant" very primitive life plasms...single and multicellular organisms onto the planet. They only do this though when the geological conditions are ripe for that type of microbial life. Like on our planet for example...the Life Carriers implanted life in three favorable shallow sea regions on the planet about 500million years ago. They knew these "spawning grounds" for life would then be taken to the far reaches of the earth due to the inevitable break and drift of the continents.
58:1.2 It should be made clear that Life Carriers cannot initiate life until a sphere is ripe for the inauguration of the evolutionary cycle. Neither can we provide for a more rapid life development than can be supported and accommodated by the physical progress of the planet.
58:1.3 The Life Carriers had projected a sodium chloride pattern of life; therefore no steps could be taken toward planting it until the ocean waters had become sufficiently briny. The Earth type of protoplasm can function only in a suitable salt solution. All ancestral lifeâ€"vegetable and animalâ€"evolved in a salt-solution habitat. And even the more highly organized land animals could not continue to live did not this same essential salt solution circulate throughout their bodies in the blood stream which freely bathes, literally submerses, every tiny living cell in this "briny deep."
58:1.4 Your primitive ancestors freely circulated about in the salty ocean; today, this same oceanlike salty solution freely circulates about in your bodies, bathing each individual cell with a chemical liquid in all essentials comparable to the salt water which stimulated the first protoplasmic reactions of the first living cells to function on the planet.
In a book I have been reading for eight years now...it says that our universe contains millions upon millions of inhabited worlds in various stages of development. It says that these inhabited worlds are actually originated by a multitude of "life implantation" techniques by a higher order of beings. These beings are called, "Life Carriers" who are the very intelligent creatures who "plant" very primitive life plasms...single and multicellular organisms onto the planet. They only do this though when the geological conditions are ripe for that type of microbial life. Like on our planet for example...the Life Carriers implanted life in three favorable shallow sea regions on the planet about 500million years ago. They knew these "spawning grounds" for life would then be taken to the far reaches of the earth due to the inevitable break and drift of the continents.
58:1.2 It should be made clear that Life Carriers cannot initiate life until a sphere is ripe for the inauguration of the evolutionary cycle. Neither can we provide for a more rapid life development than can be supported and accommodated by the physical progress of the planet.
58:1.3 The Life Carriers had projected a sodium chloride pattern of life; therefore no steps could be taken toward planting it until the ocean waters had become sufficiently briny. The Earth type of protoplasm can function only in a suitable salt solution. All ancestral lifeâ€"vegetable and animalâ€"evolved in a salt-solution habitat. And even the more highly organized land animals could not continue to live did not this same essential salt solution circulate throughout their bodies in the blood stream which freely bathes, literally submerses, every tiny living cell in this "briny deep."
58:1.4 Your primitive ancestors freely circulated about in the salty ocean; today, this same oceanlike salty solution freely circulates about in your bodies, bathing each individual cell with a chemical liquid in all essentials comparable to the salt water which stimulated the first protoplasmic reactions of the first living cells to function on the planet.
Title: Re: Scientists just found life on Mars!!!!
Post by: SSY on February 14, 2009, 07:44:36 AM
Post by: SSY on February 14, 2009, 07:44:36 AM
And your evidence for this is where?
Title: Re: Scientists just found life on Mars!!!!
Post by: Arie on February 14, 2009, 02:15:56 PM
Post by: Arie on February 14, 2009, 02:15:56 PM
Hi SSY,
Evidence? Absolutely none. But to me...it makes good sense. If life was so easy to spontaneously come into existence, then how come scientists can't create life? You know...I was listening to J. Craig Venter, the guy who decoded the human genome...and if there was one guy who would know how to create life, it would be him. Venter and his team, they now know how to extract and implant new DNA into various organisms...and under the new "software" aka DNA...the lifeform actually begins to mutate and grow according to the new instructions. He calls this "digitizing" life because he can program it all from a computer and actually design various microbes with certain functions. But this is still far from creating life.
But yeah...for sure, I have no evidence. Just look at it as a work of fiction...do you find it remotely interesting?
36:3.1 Life does not spontaneously appear in the universes; the Life Carriers must initiate it on the barren planets. They are the carriers, disseminators, and guardians of life as it appears on the evolutionary worlds of space. All life of the order and forms known on Earth arises with these Sons, though not all forms of planetary life are existent on Earth.
36:3.2 The corps of Life Carriers commissioned to plant life upon a new world usually consists of one hundred senior carriers, one hundred assistants, and one thousand custodians. The Life Carriers often carry actual life plasm to a new world, but not always. They sometimes organize the life patterns after arriving on the planet of assignment in accordance with formulas previously approved for a new adventure in life establishment. Such was the origin of the planetary life of Earth.
Evidence? Absolutely none. But to me...it makes good sense. If life was so easy to spontaneously come into existence, then how come scientists can't create life? You know...I was listening to J. Craig Venter, the guy who decoded the human genome...and if there was one guy who would know how to create life, it would be him. Venter and his team, they now know how to extract and implant new DNA into various organisms...and under the new "software" aka DNA...the lifeform actually begins to mutate and grow according to the new instructions. He calls this "digitizing" life because he can program it all from a computer and actually design various microbes with certain functions. But this is still far from creating life.
But yeah...for sure, I have no evidence. Just look at it as a work of fiction...do you find it remotely interesting?
36:3.1 Life does not spontaneously appear in the universes; the Life Carriers must initiate it on the barren planets. They are the carriers, disseminators, and guardians of life as it appears on the evolutionary worlds of space. All life of the order and forms known on Earth arises with these Sons, though not all forms of planetary life are existent on Earth.
36:3.2 The corps of Life Carriers commissioned to plant life upon a new world usually consists of one hundred senior carriers, one hundred assistants, and one thousand custodians. The Life Carriers often carry actual life plasm to a new world, but not always. They sometimes organize the life patterns after arriving on the planet of assignment in accordance with formulas previously approved for a new adventure in life establishment. Such was the origin of the planetary life of Earth.
Title: Re: Scientists just found life on Mars!!!!
Post by: SSY on February 14, 2009, 05:15:29 PM
Post by: SSY on February 14, 2009, 05:15:29 PM
Sounds like science fiction, do you view it as science fiction or do you think this actually happened?
Scientists will almost certainly be able to create life someday, we can already do amazing things, as you pointed out.
If all life comes from the carriers, where did the carriers come from?
Scientists will almost certainly be able to create life someday, we can already do amazing things, as you pointed out.
If all life comes from the carriers, where did the carriers come from?
Title: Re: Scientists just found life on Mars!!!!
Post by: McQ on February 14, 2009, 05:31:10 PM
Post by: McQ on February 14, 2009, 05:31:10 PM
Interesting, but I like my book better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Book (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Book)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Book (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Book)
Title: Re: Scientists just found life on Mars!!!!
Post by: SSY on February 14, 2009, 05:45:09 PM
Post by: SSY on February 14, 2009, 05:45:09 PM
Never read the book, but my god, the film was so long, too long. It robbed me of a sizable portion of my life.
Title: Re: Scientists just found life on Mars!!!!
Post by: Arie on February 14, 2009, 06:42:05 PM
Post by: Arie on February 14, 2009, 06:42:05 PM
Quote from: "SSY"Sounds like science fiction, do you view it as science fiction or do you think this actually happened?
I believe it happened.
Quote from: "SSY"If all life comes from the carriers, where did the carriers come from?
I'm not sure...let me find out.
36:1.1 The Life Carriers are the offspring of three pre-existent personalities: the Creator Son, the Universe Mother Spirit, and, by designation, one of the three Ancients of Days presiding over the destinies of the superuniverse concerned.
36:1.2 In the universe of Nebadon we have on record the creation of one hundred million Life Carriers. This efficient corps of life disseminators is not a truly self-governing group. They are directed by the life-determining trio, consisting of Gabriel, the Father Melchizedek, and Nambia, the original and first-born Life Carrier of Nebadon. But in all phases of their divisional administration they are self-governing.
I know you don't know what these various beings are such as "Ancients of Days," but you asked so I found out.
"Nebadon" is the name for the universe which we are in...the "superuniverse" contains many universes, but to give you a realistic magnitude, the UB says that the "core" of the superuniverse is the Milky Way galaxy.
Title: Re: Scientists just found life on Mars!!!!
Post by: Ihateyoumike on February 14, 2009, 06:59:36 PM
Post by: Ihateyoumike on February 14, 2009, 06:59:36 PM
Quote from: "Arie"But yeah...for sure, I have no evidence. Just look at it as a work of fiction...do you find it remotely interesting?
No. I don't.
Title: Re: Scientists just found life on Mars!!!!
Post by: SSY on February 14, 2009, 08:56:12 PM
Post by: SSY on February 14, 2009, 08:56:12 PM
Where did the pre-existant personalities come from? Do you have any evidence of them? Are there any pictures of life carriers ( actual photographs )? How can a universe ( a super one at that ) be inside a galaxy?
Why do you believe in these things if you do not have any evidence for them?
Why do you believe in these things if you do not have any evidence for them?
Title: Re: Scientists just found life on Mars!!!!
Post by: Arie on February 15, 2009, 02:34:45 PM
Post by: Arie on February 15, 2009, 02:34:45 PM
Quote from: "SSY"Are there any pictures of life carriers ( actual photographs )?
SSY...there is no physical evidence for these divine beings. You don't have to believe any of it.
Quote from: "SSY"How can a universe ( a super one at that ) be inside a galaxy?
Well, the terms "superuniverse" and "universe" have different meanings than what most modern people think of in the UB. The UB has numerous terms that have different or expanded meanings than current words.
Quote from: "SSY"Where did the pre-existant personalities come from?
Here is what it says for Creator Sons...
21:0.1 The Creator Sons are the makers and rulers of the local universes of time and space. These universe creators and sovereigns are of dual origin, embodying the characteristics of God the Father and God the Son. But each Creator Son is different from every other; each is unique in nature as well as in personality; each is the "only-begotten Son" of the perfect deity ideal of his origin.
Title: Re: Scientists just found life on Mars!!!!
Post by: Ihateyoumike on February 15, 2009, 06:24:14 PM
Post by: Ihateyoumike on February 15, 2009, 06:24:14 PM
Quote from: "Arie"SSY...there is no physical evidence for these divine beings. You don't have to believe any of it.
If there's no evidence, and you don't care if anybody believes any of your stories. Stop preaching them all over this forum. Or at least make your own thread to talk about your story book. Thanks.
Title: Re: Scientists just found life on Mars!!!!
Post by: SSY on February 15, 2009, 06:27:34 PM
Post by: SSY on February 15, 2009, 06:27:34 PM
Arie, why do you believe in these things if you do not have any evidence for them?
Title: Re: Scientists just found life on Mars!!!!
Post by: VanReal on February 16, 2009, 12:46:03 AM
Post by: VanReal on February 16, 2009, 12:46:03 AM
Quote from: "Ihateyoumike"Yeah, but the link to NASA's website makes it less doubtful. Except maybe to someone who thinks the moon-landing never occurred. :hide: Seriously though, I watched the documentary on the Mars rovers and saw how disappointed all of the scientists were that they found nothing. It would be nice for their hard work to add up to some proof.