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Dear Forum

I am going to share some information with you which you may or may not believe.  I am simply presenting it as information.  You can pay attention to it, find it useful or hopeful, or not.  

For about 30 years, our organization (Share International) has been talking to the public about a group of perfected human beings called the Masters of Wisdom.  For millenia they have lived in the remote regions of our planet, like the Himalaya and the Gobi desert, working silently, telepathically, to push forward the evolution of the various kingdoms on our planet: the mineral, plant, animal, and human kingdoms.  They, the Masters, represent the Fifth kingdom in nature, the kingdom of souls.  Although the Masters are all highly evolved human beings, who at one point were born, upon achieving Mastery, they do not die unless they choose to.  For over a hundred years, information has slowly emerged about their existence, from reliable sources who have worked under their inspiration (A couple of examples are Madame Blavatsky and Alice Bailey). Now, for the first time in countless thousands of years, the Masters plan to work openly among human beings again.  

The first of these wise teachers to emerge will be a figure named Maitreya, who represents the Love aspect of creation, and will act as the World Teacher for this period in history.  His preliminary message to the public will not be a religious one, but intensely practical:  we must begin to share the resources of this planet equally, among all the nations, or we will face complete self-destruction.  He will appeal to the open-minded, to those who have some inkling of what love is, to people of all religious traditions, or those with no beliefs at all:  to save the children who starve daily, to provide the basic essentials to all, food, clothing, shelter, education, and basic medical care.  His tremendous inspiration will foment a rapid change of priorities, and eventually the birth of a saner and more egalitarian civilization.  

Very shortly, a star will appear in the sky, which indicates that Maitreya's first interview is near.  The interview, which will take place on US television on a well-known talk show, will occur about a week after the star appears.  Maitreya will not, at first, go by the name Maitreya, but an assumed name, so as not to scare off his potential audience.  People will be struck by his simplicity, love, and his razor sharp analyses of current events.  

Here are two quotes from Maitreya's teachings:
"Even when you see me, do not run after me. If you run after me, you will lose me. If you parade me, you do not know who I am. I cannot be monopolized -- I belong to everyone."
"I do not want you to believe in me. I want you to experience me."

For more information, please visit:
www.share-international.org (http://www.share-international.org)

I have a question.  What does Maitreya have to say about Malthus's argument related to exponential population growth?  

Quote"The way in which, these effects are produced seems to be this. We will suppose the means of subsistence in any country just equal to the easy support of its inhabitants. The constant effort towards population... increases the number of people before the means of subsistence are increased. The food therefore which before supported seven millions must now be divided among seven millions and a half or eight millions. The poor consequently must live much worse, and many of them be reduced to severe distress. The number of labourers also being above the proportion of the work in the market, the price of labour must tend toward a decrease, while the price of provisions would at the same time tend to rise. The labourer therefore must work harder to earn the same as he did before. During this season of distress, the discouragements to marriage, and the difficulty of rearing a family are so great that population is at a stand. In the mean time the cheapness of labour, the plenty of labourers, and the necessity of an increased industry amongst them, encourage cultivators to employ more labour upon their land, to turn up fresh soil, and to manure and improve more completely what is already in tillage, till ultimately the means of subsistence become in the same proportion to the population as at the period from which we set out. The situation of the labourer being then again tolerably comfortable, the restraints to population are in some degree loosened, and the same retrograde and progressive movements with respect to happiness are repeated."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Malthus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Malthus)

If the above is correct; and many think it is.  Redistributing food equally (although a kind idea) will only increase the total population leading to the same situation again.

I would appreciate if you could address this issue because I simply cannot accept anyone as a "master of wisdom" if their plan won't be sustainable.

Maitreya sounds extremely ignorant of politics and economics, like a child or crappy folk songwriter trying to solve the world's problems. "Share the resources equally among nations?" Are you serious? So Tuvalu and China should get equal amounts of each resource? What's Tuvalu going to do with all those billions of barrels of oil?

Oh, did he mean sharing equally among nations in proportion to their population? Well then why didn't he just say "share equally among all people?" Why mention nations at all?

Here's the central question: why is your so-called "evolved being" talking in terms of the archaic concept of "nations?" He hasn't moved past something as rudimentary as artificial geographical delineations?

An uncontrolled growth of the human population can only lead to shortages of natural resources. There is a limit to the number of people that the plant Earth can sustain, without environmental damages. In my own home country there was a recent environmental study that showed to the ideal number of people living in my country is 10 million. which basically means that we have 7 million people "too many". The plan of the "wise people" therefore sounds extremely naive.

I'd just like to know what miken277 was on when he wrote this. Was it marijuana or LSD? It must have been something good to write about the Masters of the Universe - unless that was on TV at the time.

Perhaps he doesn't think 'gullible' is in the dictionary.  

Quote from: "wheels5894"I'd just like to know what miken277 was on when he wrote this. Was it marijuana or LSD? It must have been something good to write about the Masters of the Universe - unless that was on TV at the time.

Perhaps he doesn't think 'gullible' is in the dictionary.  

What he is a spammer/troll who is just pasting this shit across multiple forums.

Kyu

I'm not a troll...here are my answers to the questions that have been asked, so far.

1.  The problem of overpopulation will be solved by education and redistribution.  It has been reasonably well established that as you increase education and standard of living, the birth rate goes down.  There are multiple other factors which support my argument:  as you enhance education and standard of living, women gain power and responsibility, and control over reproduction.  Eventually there will be far fewer people on this planet.  It is our choice whether we want to have this happen through education and right relationships, or a nuclear cataclysm.  In the first case, humanity will survive.  In the second, it will not.

2.  What I meant when I said equally among all the nations was, of course, equally among all people.  The concept of a nation is not an archaic one.  It is an evolving process.  For most of our history, our idea of nationhood has been "our country, right or wrong", only a step away from fascism.  In the future, it will be based upon a sense of non-separateness from the world as a whole, and upon the expression of the soul of the nation.  The soul of a nation determines the type of service that it brings to the world.  

--Mike

Thanks for coming back Mike.

Look, all this stuff about Masters of Wisdom you have to admit sounds a bit out of the ordinary and normally it would be quite usual to bring some evidence here and not just assert things to advertise your web site. So, what evidence is there of your claims? You mention a couple of people who claim to have met the beings you mention but that hardly counts.

A little more information and evidence would be a great help in getting people to take this seriously.

There are religious scholars who think that Maitreya is the Anti-Christ, because all variations of his name in Hebrew and Greek equals to the number 666. In 1982 there was an advertisement placed by Benjamin Creme (the Share International "movement" leader) that Maitreya would announced his existence in a few months after the advertisement was placed. This created a sensation within some New Age groups, and even among some Evangelical Christians. The promised TV-Broadcast never happened. The excuse was that the people who were out there to see him were not serious enough to receive his message. This makes me wonder what the right time is for him to appear on TV, because people nowadays are not so different than those in 1982.

Can you provide some evidence showing that Maitreya is divine or that any of this is true, for that matter?  And I'm talking empirical or forensic evidence, not theological "evidence".

The religious right is not correct about this.  Maitreya embodies the Love of God, the Christ aspect not the destructive aspect, which the Anti-Christ energy embodies.  As John said, there is not "one" antichrist, there are many.  The most recent exponents of this energy of destruction were Hitler and Nero.  Nero's ray structure was 1-6-6-6-1 (you can learn more about ray structures in the work of Alice Bailey and Benjamin Creme).  The reason the Masters are emerging at this point in history is largely because of the outcome of the second world war.  The allies were partially successful at pushing back the forces of destruction, which Hitler and the Axis powers embodied.  Now, that same energy of destruction is embodied in market forces, which work out as the commercialization of life.  The US is the main pusher of this agenda, and it embodies one corner of the new triangle of evil.  The US is not 100% evil, of course, but it is the main evil in the world at the moment.  The other two corners, according to the Master DK are Israel and a couple of countries in Eastern Europe.


Regarding proof, there are hundreds of miracles which have occurred all over the globe which suggest that something of this magnitude is about to happen.  You will be able to see the "star" for yourself very shortly, so that will be your proof.  And Maitreya's presence (though not declared, yet) will lend credence to this message.  But I am quite sure that many will choose to doubt rather than accept some of these hypotheses, either because they are not familiar, or because they have a low opinion of the intuition.  People want divinity to be given to them on a platter, but that is not the way it works.  You have to work at it, as with anything in life.  Examine the website, become familiar with it.  Then, of your own reckoning, see whether it is true.  I am copying a couple of segments on Maitreya's teachings, from http://www.share-international.org/mait ... chings.htm (http://www.share-international.org/maitreya/Ma_teachings.htm)

On the art of Self-realization

    *

      Maitreya says: "I have not come to found a new religion. I have come to teach the art of Self-realization, which is neither an ideology nor a religion, but benefits people of all religions and those who have none. I seek to express that which I am through you; for this I come."
    *

      The Self alone matters. You are that Self, an immortal being. Suffering is caused by identification with anything and everything which is not the Self. Ask yourself, 'Who am I?' You will see that you are identified either with matter (the body), or with thought (the mind) or with power (spirit). But you are none of these. Mind, spirit and body are the temples of the Lord. The Self experiences in these temples the supreme Being and Becoming of the Lord.
    *

      One of the easiest ways to know me, Maitreya says, is to be honest in your mind, be sincere in your spirit, and practice detachment. Any action performed with dishonesty of mind, an insincere spirit and attachment is destructive. For example, when you think one thing, say another, and do something which is different again, you are lost. Honesty of mind leads to honest speech and honest action. This harmony leads to peace and happiness. Without detachment there is no salvation.
    *

      Be what you are. Do not surrender your self-respect, your dignity, to others. Do not allow anyone to cast his shadow over you. A Master gives experiences, but does not cast his shadow.
    *

      Do not follow one another. If you practice honesty of mind, sincerity of spirit and detachment, you will know me, you will know the Lord.


 

--Mike

I also need to reply to the poster who was talking about the 1982 broadcast.  I would suggest looking at the website for an account of this by Ben himself.  All I know is that Maitreya's emergence before the public is absolutely dependent upon our free will.  We basically have to invite him forward, and be somewhat ready for what he has to say.  The conditions now are actually far better than in 1982.

Hey, Mike, how do we know what Maitreya says? Oh, and how do we know this is really from such a person?

Again, Mike.  Can you please provide some evidence.  I will happily follow your religion if you can prove to me empirically or forensically that it's claims are true.  Will you do that for me?

One more thing:  I'm sorry if I tend to announce this stuff without adequate proof:  the reason I post on these forums is that, in my experience, atheists are occasionally open minded where this type of thing is concerned.  The focus in esotericism is not on belief.  It is on energy.  For the Masters, there is really no need for the suspension of disbelief, for the suspension of logic.  They experience the world in a moment to moment way as the interplay of tremendous energies which we are not yet aware of.  The truths that have made their way into the world's traditions, and also our scientific canon are only as true as our faculties are accurate.  They are not, really.  The role of humanity is to act as the "mind of god", to adapt the Plan to everyday reality, to relate life As It Is to life on this level of perception, to everyday reality.  To me it is not an issue of proof first, it is an issue of experiment first.  You cannot arrive at proof unless you experiment.  The result of the experiments of countless people over the ages (with service, with mediation) is that they came to extraordinary realizations that were not easily communicable in words (Eg. krishnamurti).  The fact that other people cannot instantaneously come to the same level of realization as Krishnamurti or a Master does not prove those levels of awareness do not exist, they prove that those people have not yet done the work to get there.  Many people think that the concrete mind is the most advanced type of awareness in the universe.  It is not.  More broadly, people in general think that the way they look at things is not only real, but the only real reality.  Doubly not true.

re: what Maitreya has said.  Maitreya, between 1977 and 1992 lived in the Brick Lane area of London and regularly gave talks there.  A documentary was made about him, and the community, and was never broadcast.  He now lives in the Hindu temples in the London area, working with the Swamis there.  The teachings on the website are transcribed from those talks, transcribed into english, and put on the website.

re: what Maitreya has said. Maitreya, between 1977 and 1992 lived in the Brick Lane area of London and regularly gave talks there. A documentary was made about him, and the community, and was never broadcast. He now lives in the Hindu temples in the London area, working with the Swamis there. The teachings on the website are transcribed from those talks, transcribed into english, and put on the website.

Quote from: "miken277"One more thing:  I'm sorry if I tend to announce this stuff without adequate proof:  the reason I post on these forums is that, in my experience, atheists are occasionally open minded where this type of thing is concerned.  The focus in esotericism is not on belief.  It is on energy.  For the Masters, there is really no need for the suspension of disbelief, for the suspension of logic.  They experience the world in a moment to moment way as the interplay of tremendous energies which we are not yet aware of.  The truths that have made their way into the world's traditions, and also our scientific canon are only as true as our faculties are accurate.  They are not, really.  The role of humanity is to act as the "mind of god", to adapt the Plan to everyday reality, to relate life As It Is to life on this level of perception, to everyday reality.  To me it is not an issue of proof first, it is an issue of experiment first.  You cannot arrive at proof unless you experiment.  The result of the experiments of countless people over the ages (with service, with mediation) is that they came to extraordinary realizations that were not easily communicable in words (Eg. krishnamurti).  The fact that other people cannot instantaneously come to the same level of realization as Krishnamurti or a Master does not prove those levels of awareness do not exist, they prove that those people have not yet done the work to get there.  Many people think that the concrete mind is the most advanced type of awareness in the universe.  It is not.  More broadly, people in general think that the way they look at things is not only real, but the only real reality.  Doubly not true.

Mike, what you say is all very well but for the fact that we could do with a bit more information and a bit more help.i asked you

QuoteHey, Mike, how do we know what Maitreya says? Oh, and how do we know this is really from such a person?

and you have just ignored my question for whatever reason to tell us about experimentation. So let's start there.

Experimentation
All sorts of things have been the subject of experimentation over the years. One of the great things about this is that an individual does not have to repeat these experiments but can use the results to continue the work. Thus if you get ill, a doctor will not tell you to experiment with moulds until you find something to make you better, he prescribes the correct drug to do this for you. If I wanted to do some work on engines for your car, you would not have to work out how to make a combusion engine but could work from a current design.

So, why not tell us about the results of experiments you have done thus cutting the corner for us?

How do we know there are such beings
So far you have only asserted the existence of these mystical beings without any suggest of evidence at all. Where is your evidence and don't say 'experiment' as that is not evidence and neither is your own experience. You  might indicate how you know the names of these beings and the information about them being humans once but living eternally.

the words of Maltreya
From where do these words come, precisely? I mean what was the chain that brought to words to the page.


I hope you can tackle these important questions. On an atheist forum you must expect to have to provide evidence as people are  not going to just take the word of someone we don't even know however honest they sound.

I tried to reply about where the words come from, but for some reason it wouldn't show up.  The words come from someone who attended one of Maitreya's public lectures, between 1977 and 1992, in the Brick Lane area of London.  They were translated into English and given to Share.  I don't know a great deal of information about the individual who took them down, but I presume he wants to remain anonymous.  

As far as empirical evidence that Maitreya exists, is an actual person, there are plenty of people who have seen him, talked to him, and know he exists, but have been asked not to talk directly to the media.  This includes heads of state from around the world (a press conference was given some years back, at which, among other people, the King of Jordan was present.  The idea for the West Bank was originally given by Maitreya.  The failure of the peace process there, though, is our fault).  The reason they have been asked not to talk to the media is that it would be in an infringement of free will for people of great renown to attest to his presence in the world.  People would believe the information because Princess Di believes it, or Nelson Mandela believes it.  After Maitreya's initial emergence, gradually they will come forward.  This proof is just not available to you all, personally.  You could go to London and try to find Him, if you were so inclined.  You might be given an experience, but I very much doubt that Maitreya would simply tap you on the shoulder and say "here I am".  It does not work that way.  The Masters cannot be manipulated.  They cannot give us proof on a platter, if it would infringe free will.  If the concept of sharing does not stand on its own, as a hypothesis, the rest is useless.  

On the level of phenomena and miracles, there is proof which you can personally experience, and which have been studied.  There are miracles around the world, crosses of light, circles of light, crop circles, increasing UFO sightings, all of which you can examine by going to the website.  

http://www.share-international.org/back ... i_main.htm (http://www.share-international.org/background/miracles/mi_main.htm)

The crosses of light, for example, which just "appear" in the glass of windows around the world cannot be explained simply through natural alterations to the glass.  The actual index of refraction would have to have been changed.  The Masters can do it, and this is probably how they did it.  But if you were going to try to reproduce this miracle, by creating a pane of frosted glass with an index of refraction of 1.561, not more, not less, it is doubtful you could do it.   Check out the following article, which tells about a group of graduate students at the university of Delft who examined the glass.
 
http://www.share-international.org/ARCH ... _ihcro.htm (http://www.share-international.org/ARCHIVES/crosses/cr_ihcro.htm)      

At:  http://www.asdlib.org/onlineArticles/el ... s/Glass(RI (http://www.asdlib.org/onlineArticles/elabware/thompson/Glass/Glass(RI))PFaculty.pdf
it shows that a fairly wide sampling of different types of glass would only range as high as 1.51.  Window glass is usually 1.49, consistently from batch to batch.   The patterns appeared suddenly, they were not there one day, and then they were there.

I have personally examined these, and another phenomena called patterns of light, and can attest to the fact that they actually exist.  The patterns of light (exes and crosses on the sides of buildings), which come from reflected light from an opposite building, do not happen ordinarily.  Often one pane will have a pattern, and the other will not.  I have looked at one of these myself, and it is clear that the pane has been very subtly bent inwards, to focus the light--seemingly slightly melted.  The focus has to be precise to correctly display the pattern, and the focal length changes depending on the circumstances and the buildings involved.  Obviously, no small feat for a hoaxer--and these happen on a grand scale, as you can see on the website, and again just appeared suddenly.

As far as my own personal experience goes, all I can say is that I experience the information to be true, although I don't try to foist my experience on others as "gospel truth".  It is not.  I am operating on faith, on the assumption of the truth of this information.  I have enough information, from my own experiences, to determine that it is true.  What convinced me, more than anything else were the thousands of letters that have been written to Share of miraculous experiences people have had with a familiar or thoughtform of Maitreya (the Masters often use this device to contact people: a "familiar" that can appear and disappear).  I have had a couple of these experiences, and so have my colleagues.  You can believe these stories, or not.  That is the point:  free will.  I do not think, either, that the Masters will go out of their way to prove their divinity beyond all doubt.  People, I think, will be given an opportunity to doubt to their hearts content, because freedom, to the Masters, is sacrosanct.  They are not demi-gods either, over and above the divinity of every human being.  They have, through the process of evolution, fully expressed the divinity that is within all of us.
--Mike

Quote from: "miken277"1.  The problem of overpopulation will be solved by education and redistribution.  It has been reasonably well established that as you increase education and standard of living, the birth rate goes down.  There are multiple other factors which support my argument:  as you enhance education and standard of living, women gain power and responsibility, and control over reproduction.  Eventually there will be far fewer people on this planet.  It is our choice whether we want to have this happen through education and right relationships, or a nuclear cataclysm.  In the first case, humanity will survive.  In the second, it will not.

Although studies have shown that people in developed countries tend to have less children, their populations are still rising at an alarming rate.  So, I am not convinced that education and increased standard of living would be a viable solution.  Not to mention that humanity will probably be extinct well before we could implement a good educational system on such a large scale.  It's a bandage, not a cure.

Here's what redistributing food would do.  Those populations which already had plenty of food with quit growing so much.  The populations that didn't have enough food will see a dramatic increase in population until there are so many that they don't quite have enough food again.  Yet again, it's a bandage, not a cure.

If we want to save the world, we're going to have to quit pretending like our culture is something worth saving and look towards new options for humanity.  Or as Daniel Quinn (a great environmental philosopher novelist) would say; we have to move beyond civilization.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_decline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_decline)

It exists.  There are a number of factors which play into it, but you can't simply say that it is all due to famine, war, or other adverse conditions.  Else, why would the Netherlands, or Iceland be approaching decline, and Japan already in it?  Also, take a look at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ferti ... ld_map.PNG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fertility_rate_world_map.PNG)
The orange, purple and red bits, the ones with the highest birthrates, also *happen* to be the poorest nations on the planet.  Coincidence?  Nope.  I also find it interesting that there is a high correspondence between the presence of non-totalitarian socialism and the plummeting of birth rates.

Also, we are not just talking about redistributing food.  We are talking about redistributing wealth and infrastructure, raw resources of all kinds.  Aid agencies, including the UN are well aware of the fact that if you flood a local economy with cheap grain, nothing is solved.  You have to provide long term assistance in every area.  Right now we are not able to even provide emergency assistance to the starving, malnourished, or Aids ridden, because governments do not think it is important.  We provide token assistance, but it does not last.  It is based on wishful thinking and on a fitful altruism, not on common sense or sound priorities.  It makes no sense to spend billions on counterterrorism efforts in Somalia, when the terrorism there is directly caused by poverty, and the lack of infrastructure.  

I agree that we can't save our culture.  It is basically dead.  My information is that the Masters are here to inspire us to build something better.  The alternative is, according to this information, complete destruction of all life on the planet.    
--Mike

Quote from: "miken277"I tried to reply about where the words come from, but for some reason it wouldn't show up. The words come from someone who attended one of Maitreya's public lectures, between 1977 and 1992, in the Brick Lane area of London. They were translated into English and given to Share. I don't know a great deal of information about the individual who took them down, but I presume he wants to remain anonymous.

As far as empirical evidence that Maitreya exists, is an actual person, there are plenty of people who have seen him, talked to him, and know he exists, but have been asked not to talk directly to the media. This includes heads of state from around the world (a press conference was given some years back, at which, among other people, the King of Jordan was present. The idea for the West Bank was originally given by Maitreya. The failure of the peace process there, though, is our fault). The reason they have been asked not to talk to the media is that it would be in an infringement of free will for people of great renown to attest to his presence in the world. People would believe the information because Princess Di believes it, or Nelson Mandela believes it. After Maitreya's initial emergence, gradually they will come forward. This proof is just not available to you all, personally. You could go to London and try to find Him, if you were so inclined. You might be given an experience, but I very much doubt that Maitreya would simply tap you on the shoulder and say "here I am". It does not work that way. The Masters cannot be manipulated. They cannot give us proof on a platter, if it would infringe free will. If the concept of sharing does not stand on its own, as a hypothesis, the rest is useless.

On the level of phenomena and miracles, there is proof which you can personally experience, and which have been studied. There are miracles around the world, crosses of light, circles of light, crop circles, increasing UFO sightings, all of which you can examine by going to the website.

http://www.share-international.org/back ... i_main.htm (http://www.share-international.org/background/miracles/mi_main.htm)

The crosses of light, for example, which just "appear" in the glass of windows around the world cannot be explained simply through natural alterations to the glass. The actual index of refraction would have to have been changed. The Masters can do it, and this is probably how they did it. But if you were going to try to reproduce this miracle, by creating a pane of frosted glass with an index of refraction of 1.561, not more, not less, it is doubtful you could do it. Check out the following article, which tells about a group of graduate students at the university of Delft who examined the glass.

http://www.share-international.org/ARCH ... _ihcro.htm (http://www.share-international.org/ARCHIVES/crosses/cr_ihcro.htm)

At: http://www.asdlib.org/onlineArticles/el ... s/Glass(RI (http://www.asdlib.org/onlineArticles/elabware/thompson/Glass/Glass(RI))PFaculty.pdf
it shows that a fairly wide sampling of different types of glass would only range as high as 1.51. Window glass is usually 1.49, consistently from batch to batch. The patterns appeared suddenly, they were not there one day, and then they were there.

I have personally examined these, and another phenomena called patterns of light, and can attest to the fact that they actually exist. The patterns of light (exes and crosses on the sides of buildings), which come from reflected light from an opposite building, do not happen ordinarily. Often one pane will have a pattern, and the other will not. I have looked at one of these myself, and it is clear that the pane has been very subtly bent inwards, to focus the light--seemingly slightly melted. The focus has to be precise to correctly display the pattern, and the focal length changes depending on the circumstances and the buildings involved. Obviously, no small feat for a hoaxer--and these happen on a grand scale, as you can see on the website, and again just appeared suddenly.

--Mike

Ummm, yeah.  You come to an atheist website and ask us to look at another website that lists miracles, UFO sightings, crop circles (crop circles have been debunked, by the way, by the actual perpetrators of said crop circles, thus disqualifying them from being recognized as a miracle) and crosses of light, and declare that is proof that some once-human-but-now-evolved-into-a-demi-god dude is coming to give a TV interview and solve all our problems?  Are you serious?

Again, again, again, where is your proof?  Empirical, testable proof.  No websites, tall tales, or words that might or might not have been heard by the King of Jordan between 1977 and 1992 by someone he did or did not know was a Master named Maitreya.  Real, live proof.  Put up or shut up.