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Title: Who's A Pedant?
Post by: Kyuuketsuki on December 18, 2008, 11:01:55 AM
I'm a pedant, I freely admit it! Especially when it comes to spelling and grammar.

The use of the correct word for a given situation bothers me greatly ... for instance the misuse of "affect" & "effect".

What obvious spelling and or grammar howlers bug you?

AFTERTHOUGHT: Or other pedantry!

Kyu
Title: Re: Who's A Pedant?
Post by: MariaEvri on December 18, 2008, 01:09:25 PM
Quote from: "Kyuuketsuki"What obvious spelling and or grammar howlers bug you?



Kyu

when english speaking people mistake their and they're. It just makes my hair stand up.
Title: Re: Who's A Pedant?
Post by: Kyuuketsuki on December 18, 2008, 01:33:45 PM
Quote from: "MariaEvri"when english speaking people mistake their and they're. It just makes my hair stand up.

And "there" I guess! You're right though, we should make allowances for non-English speakers though often they seem to be better at it than many native English.

SMS/text language bugs the hell out of me too.

Kyu
Title: Re: Who's A Pedant?
Post by: MariaEvri on December 18, 2008, 02:31:10 PM
Quote from: "Kyuuketsuki"SMS/text language bugs the hell out of me too.

Kyu

I dont really mind sms language, but leet. or l33t or whatever its called. Now THAT gives me a headache XD
Title: Re: Who's A Pedant?
Post by: Wechtlein Uns on December 18, 2008, 03:12:06 PM
Quote from: "MariaEvri"
Quote from: "Kyuuketsuki"SMS/text language bugs the hell out of me too.

Kyu

I dont really mind sms language, but leet. or l33t or whatever its called. Now THAT gives me a headache XD

4w, bu7 w|-|y?

j00 n33d 70 l1gh73n up, d00d.  :raised:
Title: Re: Who's A Pedant?
Post by: curiosityandthecat on December 18, 2008, 03:14:35 PM
As someone with a degree in English education, it makes me want to kick babies. Srsly.

I cut a lot of slack to non-native speakers; you kind of have to. Native speakers, however, get no such leniency. I consider poor grammar to be the first big, red flag that I'm not going to agree with what that person says. Creative grammar is fine; poor grammar is mind-numbing.
Title: Re: Who's A Pedant?
Post by: BadPoison on December 18, 2008, 04:51:47 PM
People who say:
"Fairly unique"

"I personally"

"At this moment in time"

"Shouldn't of"

People who missuse the words:

"Literally"
"Absolutely"

And anyone who says the word "whatever" as their counterpoint!
Title: Re: Who's A Pedant?
Post by: BadPoison on December 18, 2008, 04:52:50 PM
Ooh, ooh:

irregardless!
Title: Re: Who's A Pedant?
Post by: curiosityandthecat on December 18, 2008, 04:55:04 PM
Quote from: "BadPoison"Ooh, ooh:

irregardless!

Christ, that makes me cringe.

Most people don't even use "regardless" correctly, either!
Title: Re: Who's A Pedant?
Post by: MariaEvri on December 18, 2008, 05:05:28 PM
Quote from: "Wechtlein Uns"4w, bu7 w|-|y?

j00 n33d 70 l1gh73n up, d00d.  :raised:

ehmmm emmm
what?????

edit: okaaaay I understood the second sentence  :)
Title: Re: Who's A Pedant?
Post by: curiosityandthecat on December 18, 2008, 05:06:46 PM
Quote from: "MariaEvri"
Quote from: "Wechtlein Uns"4w, bu7 w|-|y?

j00 n33d 70 l1gh73n up, d00d.  :raised:

ehmmm emmm
what?????

edit: okaaaay I understood the second sentence  :)

"Aw, but why? You need to lighten up, dude." Man, I hate l33t speak, haha.
Title: Re: Who's A Pedant?
Post by: BadPoison on December 18, 2008, 05:07:19 PM
Quote from: "MariaEvri"
Quote from: "Wechtlein Uns"4w, bu7 w|-|y?

j00 n33d 70 l1gh73n up, d00d.  :raised:

ehmmm emmm
what?????

edit: okaaaay I understood the second sentence  :)
I can help!

"Aw, but why?
You need to lighten up, dude. "
Title: Re: Who's A Pedant?
Post by: BadPoison on December 18, 2008, 05:08:15 PM
Curio FTL!

GG
Title: Re: Who's A Pedant?
Post by: MariaEvri on December 18, 2008, 05:39:29 PM
Quote from: "BadPoison"
Quote from: "MariaEvri"
Quote from: "Wechtlein Uns"4w, bu7 w|-|y?

j00 n33d 70 l1gh73n up, d00d.  :raised:

ehmmm emmm
what?????

edit: okaaaay I understood the second sentence  :)
I can help!

"Aw, but why?


You need to lighten up, dude. "

thanks
its that "aww but why" part i couldnt understand
Title: Re: Who's A Pedant?
Post by: Faithless on December 18, 2008, 10:55:09 PM
I must admit to being a most dreadful pedant.  I was a court reporter for 15 years, so not only did I have to deal with bad grammar, I also had to try to punctuate the spoken word, which is sometimes really hard.  On top of that, since everything produced must be verbatim, it's not like I could just change stuff around to make sense.

I have a very long list of grammatical grievances with the English-speaking world in general, but there are a few at the top of my list that make me grit my teeth and want to scream.

The continual inability of almost everyone to properly use an apostrophe.  It's two cars, not two car's!  A plural noun does NOT use an apostrophe.

"They're going over there to eat their lunch."  Read it and learn, America!  That sentence right there should answer all your questions about they're, there, and their!

All the time I see people say stupid things like, "That was given to my husband and I."  Think about it!  If someone gives you something, do you say, "Golly, look what Johnny gave I"?

I have to stop here before I start foaming at the mouth and ripping out my hair.  It's a huge problem for me because I can't even read a newspaper anymore without getting mad and ripping it to shreds.  Thank the FSM for cable or I'd never get any news!
Title: Re: Who's A Pedant?
Post by: BadPoison on December 18, 2008, 11:14:11 PM
Quote from: "Faithless"I have to stop here before I start foaming at the mouth and ripping out my hair.

Post a pic! :D
Title: Re: Who's A Pedant?
Post by: Wechtlein Uns on December 19, 2008, 12:18:37 AM
you know what I say regularly in debate and conversation? The conjunction, "insofaras" Yes, that's right, I use that as a WORD[/i]. ONE WORD.

Ex: It's not likely for them to leave a piece of dog shit on your door, insofaras you haven't pissed 'em off yet.

AHAHAHAHLAHA! You have NOTHING!!! NOOTHIIING!!!!  :shock:
Title: Re: Who's A Pedant?
Post by: Whitney on December 19, 2008, 12:20:39 AM
Quote from: "Wechtlein Uns"4w, bu7 w|-|y?

j00 n33d 70 l1gh73n up, d00d.  :lol:
Title: Re: Who's A Pedant?
Post by: BadPoison on December 19, 2008, 02:22:20 AM
btw, itz 1337 speak
Title: Re: Who's A Pedant?
Post by: Wechtlein Uns on December 19, 2008, 03:29:36 AM
84d p0|50n,

g37 0ff 0ur |<453, 4nd |11 g|v3 j00 4 |<3g.  :D
Title: Re: Who's A Pedant?
Post by: McQ on December 19, 2008, 05:00:39 AM
Quote from: "Kyuuketsuki"I'm a pedant, I freely admit it! Especially when it comes to spelling and grammar.

The use of the correct word for a given situation bothers me greatly ... for instance the misuse of "affect" & "effect".

What obvious spelling and or grammar howlers bug you?

AFTERTHOUGHT: Or other pedantry!

Kyu

There are so many that bug me, it's hard to list them! For some reason, I notice that on the internet, people seem to spell the word definitely wrong. I see a lot of definately. That drives me insane, mostly because it's used a lot and misspelled the same way by so many people. It's almost as if the misspelling has become the accepted way of spelling the word.

I do not like SMS language.

Of course, there's a difference between the occasional typo and constant incorrect usage of language. I make typos all the time. I'll probably see some in this post after I hit the send button!  :D

I have a tendency to overuse the passive voice in written communication. That's what my college English professors told me.

In the time leading up to and during "The Millennium", I couldn't believe the number of times I saw the word millennium misspelled!

My biggest peeve has been the idiotic pronunciation of the word nuclear by a certain White House chimp. I mean, he's the guy with the ability to use them, but he can't even say the word right! Agh!
Title: Re: Who's A Pedant?
Post by: McQ on December 19, 2008, 05:12:02 AM
Oh! I thought of another big one. The mutilation of the meaning of the word, literally. People constantly use it as if it is the word, figuratively.

Example: Let's say you see an athlete run the 100 meter dash in 9.8 seconds. Someone will inevitably describe the runner as "literally on fire", because he was so fast.  :brick:  :D

Also, does anyone ever use the word, moot correctly? Or decimate? Look them up. Moot, when used as an adjective (which is how it is most often used), does NOT mean something is beyond debating. It means just the opposite! That something IS open to debate. Everyone uses it to means a subject is closed to debate.

And in Merriam-Webster's On Line Dictionary, you have to get to the third definition of the word decimate to see the meaning that is constantly used today. Decimate's primary meaning is to reduce by one tenth.
Title: Re: Who's A Pedant?
Post by: BadPoison on December 19, 2008, 05:31:45 AM
Quote from: "Wechtlein Uns"84d p0|50n,

g37 0ff 0ur |<453, 4nd |11 g|v3 j00 4 |<3g.  :D

 ph|_|c|<  j00  $h|+  h0|_3
Title: Re: Who's A Pedant?
Post by: Tom62 on December 19, 2008, 06:24:05 AM
I like the English language, but I'm not a pedant. As a foreigner, I try to not to make any typo's and get the grammar right. My main "mistake" is that I mix-up  British English and American English. I prefer for example the British spelling of words, like colour instead of color, because that was the [correct] spelling that I learned at school. On the other hand, I'm more familiar with American words (like f.i. truck instead of lorry) and American slang, because I read more American than British books and watch more American than British TV-Series and movies. The main problem that we foreigners have is with English language is the word order. That makes us so incomprehensible (and funny) for native speakers. For example, a simple sentence like: "We are washing the cat" becomes in German-English "We are the cat washing". Even more difficult is the common use of pseudo English words in the foreign language. Just guess what these German-English sentences means: "The DJane left her handy in her car" and "The oldtimer was so drunk, that he spilled his food over the pullunder of the talkmaster" ;) .

But, the English language can be confusing for us foreigners as well. English is a rage in Germany - the height of fashion, except that many people don't understand it or, even worse, misunderstand it. Even such straightforward lines like "Come in and find out," for a chain of perfume stores, can be dodgy. When people were asked what that slogan means, they thought it meant, "Come in, but then go back out again." or "You can go in, but it is difficult to find the exit". Study after study has indicated that many Germans don't understand English slogans in advertisements. The Vodafone slogan "Make the Most of Now" has weird associations with fruit juice ("Most") for many Germans. "Welcome to the Beck's Experience" didn't work so well because many thought the last word meant "experiment." The grand prize for slipshod slogans, though, goes to German television station Sat1, which used the catchphrase "Powered by Emotion." This was taken by many to be a modern version of "Kraft durch Freude," the Nazi party's leisure organization, often translated into English as "strength through joy." Oops!
Title: Re: Who's A Pedant?
Post by: Kyuuketsuki on December 19, 2008, 10:05:02 AM
Quote from: "McQ"Also, does anyone ever use the word, moot correctly? Or decimate? Look them up. Moot, when used as an adjective (which is how it is most often used), does NOT mean something is beyond debating. It means just the opposite! That something IS open to debate. Everyone uses it to means a subject is closed to debate.

Moot as in the way they use it in "Lord Of The Rings" (Entmoot ... a meeting of the Ent to discuss justice, strategy etc.)?

Yeah "decimate" derives from the Romans where, when a campaign had gone badly, as a punishment legions would be "decimated" i..e every tenth man pulled out of rank and killed as a lesson to other soldiers.

TBH I don't think it's a bad thing that the meaning of words can change (evolve) as it makes the language more flexible, i just object to people using words wrong ... ignorance I guess.

Besides it's not even hard to do it right ... I use both a word processor (Office 2007) and the British English dictionary add-on for Firefox which, though it doesn't ensure correct grammar, helps me to get things right.

Kyu
Title: Re: Who's A Pedant?
Post by: Kyuuketsuki on December 19, 2008, 10:06:16 AM
Quote from: "BadPoison"
Quote from: "Wechtlein Uns"84d p0|50n,

g37 0ff 0ur |<453, 4nd |11 g|v3 j00 4 |<3g.  :rant:

Kyu
Title: Re: Who's A Pedant?
Post by: Wechtlein Uns on December 19, 2008, 07:14:12 PM
Quote from: "Kyuuketsuki"
Quote from: "BadPoison"
Quote from: "Wechtlein Uns"84d p0|50n,

g37 0ff 0ur |<453, 4nd |11 g|v3 j00 4 |<3g. :rant:

Kyu

lol. Ok, I'm sorry...  :cool:
you know a word you don't here any more? "prattle". You don't hear it. ftw?
Title: Re: Who's A Pedant?
Post by: BadPoison on December 19, 2008, 08:41:14 PM
Quote from: "Wechtlein Uns"lol. Ok, I'm sorry...  :cool:
you know a word you don't here any more? "prattle". You don't hear it. ftw?

(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.danielsjourney.com%2Fblog%2Ffiles%2F2007%2F12%2Ffry-see-what-you-did-there-scaled.jpg&hash=8e96a6f6e34867fed7be70b416cfa92ca3df1ada)
Title: Re: Who's A Pedant?
Post by: Kyuuketsuki on December 20, 2008, 08:48:05 AM
Quote from: "Wechtlein Uns"
Quote from: "Kyuuketsuki"I could easily learn to hate you too :cool:

It was a joke on my part ... I've left a forum in the past because there was too much text speech but that was the norm there, I know people were mucking about here ... er ... at least I think they were  :eek:

Quote from: "Wechtlein Uns"you know a word you don't here any more? "prattle". You don't hear it. ftw?

Not much I agree but you do hear it ... I've used it on occasion particularly to my kids both of whom seem to possess the ability to take incessantly without saying a great deal (at least about anything I understand). Mind you, I see it as a very English word and you're US aren't you? I wouldn't expect it to be used as much in America.

Kyu
Title: Re: Who's A Pedant?
Post by: Wechtlein Uns on December 20, 2008, 10:24:22 PM
for some reason, I'm actually more accustomed to certain british words than american english. Because I read a lot of old works, probably why.