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This may be a touchy subject for some but I was just wondering what reasons were behind the holocaust? It's for my philosophy class; my prof is a theist and it seems like he missed out on somethings. I kind of thought that Hitler killed the Jews because they didn't believe in Jesus. Does anyone know more?

Quote from: "Graham"This may be a touchy subject for some but I was just wondering what reasons were behind the holocaust? It's for my philosophy class; my prof is a theist and it seems like he missed out on somethings. I kind of thought that Hitler killed the Jews because they didn't believe in Jesus. Does anyone know more?

Yes, I do. I am going to bed now, though. But if you specify what he is postulating (or maybe just avoiding to say, if I read your post right), I can respond tomorrow.

It was Social Darwinism. Hitler believed the Aryan race was superior to any other for a number of ridiculous reasons and wanted to "purify" or "cleanse" the world of inferior races. The Jews, the Gypsys and so on. Hitler was a Roman Catholic but I believe his antisemitism was directed at the Jews (race) more so than the Jewish (religion).

There was no one single reason.  There were many factors contributing to the mindset that allowed the Holocaust to happen.   Social Darwinism, or eugenics, was one.  Eugenics movements weren't just localized to Germany.  There were kind of the fashion in the 'civilized' world at the time.  Antisemitism was also widespread and reached a peak at the time.  It really wasn't just Germany, or it would have been stopped sooner.  Disbelief that anything so bad could really be happening was also a huge factor in the Holocaust. People just didn't want to see or believe what was happening. Economic factors and a nasty depression that hit Germany very hard was another contributing factor.  These things combined together so that it was easy for the Nazi's to remove any compassion the masses had for Jews in Germany.  They portrayed them as genetically inferior, immoral, rich and the reason for Germany's economic hardships.  Jewish people were limited in their employment, and people kept ousting them from their countries, so Jewish people simply had to develop strong international family ties and less desirable occupations to survive. They were weathering the depression better than others, being used to having to always be prepared for harsh times and persecution, and this also helped to make them a target as well as a source of wealth for the Nazi's to finance their war.  A good book to read on the Holocaust is Elie Weisel's "Night".  It gives a very straightforward account of the Holocaust from a survivor at the camps and is an excellent read.

Quote from: "Graham"This may be a touchy subject for some but I was just wondering what reasons were behind the holocaust?

Human nature, pure and simple.

Thank you everyone that responded! Lara, your post is very informative you answered a lot of my questions. I just read "Night" last week. I think the book was well and very honest. Zarathustra, my professor took the content of the book and focused on how God was the reason for the Jews survival and just left the question of, "how could such evil happen?" (he is a good professor though, just things have been a little rushed due to my school being on strike for three weeks) I think the theists view is that when Wiesel went through a change but it didn't really happen. He entered the concentration camp with faith and lost it after reasoning with himself that there is no god. Then he returns to normal life with his faith was restored therefore he never lost it. I want mention that he did survive without the comfort of God though. But I might lose marks because my prof won't agree with that, he'll think I missed the point. Sophus, thank you for clearing up up the race and religion part. I was wondering about that.

Another thing I want to know is what is the purpose of the concentration camps? Was it just a test to see if the Jews were strong or was it just a punishment and a death?

There were two types of camps. The "ordinary" concentration camp, where people were locked up who were opponents of the regime or political prisoners; and the extermination camps that were only there to eliminate "inferior" people from the face of the Earth. Many people ended up as slave laborers in the German industry (like IG Farben),  where they were treated just as badly as in the camps. They literally worked themselves to death.

Quote from: "Graham"Zarathustra, my professor took the content of the book and focused on how God was the reason for the Jews survival

I don't know this book. But from the responses I gather that Lara can take care of this one. Of the top of my head, I'll say that if god was the reason for their survival - why did most of them actually not survive?

Quoteand just left the question of, "how could such evil happen?"

It is an interesting question, that you have very good answers for above, and a few extra below. I would however - if I were an American citizen - be a lot more concerned with the question of, "how can such evil happen again? Right now, as we speak about this, but in my own society? Did we learn nothing from the holocaust?"
(Yes, I am thinking of Gitmo, Abu Graib and the "hidden" CIA torture-prisons around the world. Don't worry I'll stop the current politics henceforth.)

Quote(he is a good professor though, just things have been a little rushed due to my school being on strike for three weeks)

Good. Then it should not be a problem that he is a theist at all. I have had (and know)a few professors and scientists, who are also theists. But when at work, they are able to put their beliefs in a paranthesis, so to speak. And therefore completely open to rational discourse and investigation. If your professor is anything like that, he will love your questions.  :unsure: They quoted some well phrased Nietzsche passages out of context. And he was the first public atheist of modern time.
The point is: They quoted the bible as well. (Actually a lot more) But do we say that it implies he did it for christian reasons?
Reading the very well-researched answers for you above, I'd say the approach is somewhat different.  ;)

There is one thing that I feel ambivalent towards though: Morally I'm deeply opposed to the medical camps, but fact of the matter is that modern medicine would not be where it is today, if they hadn't crossed that line and made those experiments. And I do appreciate modern medicine a lot... especially when I am sick of course. It works way better than prayer for me.  

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QuoteGraham wrote:
This may be a touchy subject for some but I was just wondering what reasons were behind the holocaust?

curiosityandthecat wrote:  Human nature, pure and simple.

Oh, so you curious cats think you're better than humans, huh?  Well let's see you catch a hummingbird without harming it, killing it, or eating it.  Now who is cooler?  
And how do you manage to keep the cat hair from getting in your disk drive?  Speciesist!


 :P  

Quote from: "LARA"Oh, so you curious cats think you're better than humans, huh?  Well let's see you catch a hummingbird without harming it, killing it, or eating it.  Now who is cooler?  
And how do you manage to keep the cat hair from getting in your disk drive?  Speciesist!


 :P  ;)

As for the hummingbird, ask and ye shall receive.

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Now back to your regularly scheduled Holocaust.  

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QuoteGraham wrote:
This may be a touchy subject for some but I was just wondering what reasons were behind the holocaust?

curiosityandthecat wrote:  Human nature, pure and simple.

Oh, so you curious cats think you're better than humans, huh?  Well let's see you catch a hummingbird without harming it, killing it, or eating it.  Now who is cooler?  
And how do you manage to keep the cat hair from getting in your disk drive?  Speciesist!


 :P  

Funny stuff. Cats do tend to be all hoity-toity, lol.

Hitler was a bigot. He was one of the best self-promoters in history. I agree with whoever said it was more racially motivated than religiously, but I don't rule religion out all together. He was indeed roman catholic, and to him it was a bit like a modern day crusade.

I just want to point out that Jews do beleive in Jesus they even beleive he was a profet of god. Some jews even beleive he was the son of god ie; Jews for Jesus.

Quote from: "Tanker"Some jews even beleive he was the son of god.

I would think the proper name for them would be "Christians" .  

I can't remember where I read this, but it was said that Hitler was greatly influenced by Martin Luther's anti-semitic writings, The Jews and Their Lies (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Luther_on_Jews.html).  I believe Hitler referenced it in Mein Kampf.  It would be very hard for me to accept that no religious dogma was involved in Hitler's outlook.

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Quote from: "Tanker"Some jews even beleive he was the son of god.

I would think the proper name for them would be "Christians" .  

You're confusing the religion for the race.

There are two types of selection: natural and artificial. Natural selection is a process that occurs without interference from any outside force. Humans developed through natural selection and gave birth to artificial selection. Humans began domesticating livestock and selectively breeding plants for food maybe 15,000 years ago. This process has given us everything from the myriad selection of dogs to the color and shape of a banana.

Unfortunately, some people through our history have come to believe that humans should be artificially bred. This may seem like a good idea at first, attempting to improve our species, but the truth is that it's quite a problem. First off, toying with someone's life or ability to reproduce is a serious breach of the social contract, and would generally be considered deeply immoral and unethical. Second, quite frankly we don't know enough about our current environment or the environments to come to make determinations about what direction to head in even if one were to overlook the moral issue.

In the case of WW2, artificial selection was used by members of the Nazi Party as a pretext to commit genocide. The true motivations were rooted deeply in ignorance, superstition, and racism. World War 1 devastated Germany, you see. It was as if the entire nation fell into a deep depression, and it's during these times that a society can become somewhat open to the dangers of extreme individuals and their views. Germany was in an economic depression, too, which exacerbated the situation only further, as we all know there is at least a correlative link between education and wealth (with the US as the obvious exception). Essentially, Germany (which was largely protestant and already had race issues) was ripe for an extreme voice. A young soldier and artist named Adolph Hitler was that voice.

Thank you very much everyone! You've helped me greatly.  

Quote from: "Graham"This may be a touchy subject for some but I was just wondering what reasons were behind the holocaust? It's for my philosophy class; my prof is a theist and it seems like he missed out on somethings. I kind of thought that Hitler killed the Jews because they didn't believe in Jesus. Does anyone know more?

You're exactly right. Don't let anyone tell you different. Hitler was raised a Xtian. He was good friends with a Pope (Pius the whatever) He killed EVERYONE who wasn't a Xtian, or in his opinion, went against the Bible (Jews, Homosexuals, black people, Gypsies, etc.) Be sure that your prof's faith doesn't get in the way of his teaching. If it does, report him.

Who was that guy that killed all those people in africa? The fat black dictaor who liked scotsmen? Didn't he commit some atrocities? He died recently, right? Who was he?

Quote from: "Wechtlein Uns"Who was that guy that killed all those people in africa? The fat black dictaor who liked scotsmen? Didn't he commit some atrocities? He died recently, right? Who was he?

Idi Amin?

Quote from: "DennisK"Idi Amin?

Yeppers.

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Wow! This is one of our better and more informative threads. Good going, Graham! I just learned some new things that I wasn't aware of regarding Hitler. Thanks to all who contributed to our knowledge here.  

Idi Amin! Yes! that's it! Thank you. I really need to hang on to that bit of info...