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Can't say it makes me think twice about how my beef was born and lved. It's very dead before it gets to me anyways.

That said, most of those plants would be very illegal in my part of the world. I've worked on a milk producing farm for a while and there are books of regulations that have to be followed  

Quote from: "Asmodean"That said, most of those plants would be very illegal in my part of the world. I've worked on a milk producing farm for a while and there are books of regulations that have to be followed  

The same here, but nethertheless I keep wondering where all that super cheap, bad tasting supermarket meat comes from. Anyway I buy my meat at a real good butcher, who either buys high quality organic meat or meat from local farmers from which he knows that they care about the fair treatment of their animals. Last week I tried Kobe beef for the first time. These Kobe cows get the best food, massages and three bottles of beer per day. It was the most delicious piece of meat that I'd ever eaten in my entire life (and friggin' expensive). Knowing that such good thing exists, I could never become a vegetarian.

Quote from: "Tom62"Knowing that such good thing exists, I could never become a vegetarian.

Aye, I hear you loud and clear.  

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...I'm weak.

OMG, curio... my son is a massive bacon addict (not that we feed that addiction much) but he would DIE if he saw that...  :crazy:  

Quote from: "rlrose328"OMG, curio... my son is a massive bacon addict (not that we feed that addiction much) but he would DIE if he saw that...  :crazy:  

I'm just a wealth of this crap, aren't I?

Seriously, though. I'm too much of a carnivore to go vegetarian. I'm like Pavlov's dog: I salivate at the mention of bacon or Kobe beef.

A good little series to watch about chickens, specifically, is Jamie Oliver's Fowl Dinners. It's a gala dinner/documentary (really) that he did in order to educate people how chickens get from the egg to their plates. It's slightly graphic, but, as he said, if you're going to eat it, you need to know where it comes from. All the videos are in the Spoiler to save space.

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Quote from: "curiosityandthecat"Seriously, though. I'm too much of a carnivore to go vegetarian. I'm like Pavlov's dog: I salivate at the mention of bacon or Kobe beef.

I am an extremely carnivorous omnivore myself. For me, any food that does not contain dead animals (be they of aerial, aquatic or terrestrial nature) is boring. And that is why, I'll be buried with a burger at my side. Well would be, that is. If I wasn't cremated.  

Quote from: "quizlixx"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeJfY5CXTM0&feature=related

I can't access YouTube here ... is that the appalling "Meet Your Meat" video (quite possibly one of the least objective pieces of video propaganda I have ever watched)?

Kyu

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Quote from: "quizlixx"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeJfY5CXTM0&feature=related

I can't access YouTube here ... is that the appalling "Meet Your Meat" video (quite possibly one of the least objective pieces of video propaganda I have ever watched)?

Kyu

Yes, it is. The one narrated by Alec Baldwin. I have to agree with you on its objectivity.

I just don't eat as much meat as I use to.  Some weeks I eat a vegetarian diet, others I don't.  The videos about how they treat animals are sad but that doesn't make me want to give up something forever.  The only reason I eat vegetarian as often as I do is because it is healthy.

The video is a fantastic argument against animal cruelty and perhaps farming meat altogether, but if the animals were treated humanly what would be the harm in killing them in their sleep after many wonderful years so that we don't have to chow down on supplements to compensate for essential nutrients that are rare outside of meats?

Meat used to be a luxury when I grew up. We had maybe one or two meat dishes per week on the table. Those portions of meat were extremely small in comparison with what we are eating today. With one chop of meat that you can find now in US supermarkets you could feed an entire family.  I fully agree with laetusatheos' approach. I'm also trying to reduce the amount of meat that I'm eating and if I buy meat then I make sure that it is of the best quality. I truly believe that it is better to have a wonderful organic steak in the weekend than eating bad tasting supermarket meat every day. I love vegetarian dishes as well, providing that they don't try to imitate meat (like with this horrible tasting tofu).

Quote from: "Willravel"The video is a fantastic argument against animal cruelty and perhaps farming meat altogether, but if the animals were treated humanly what would be the harm in killing them in their sleep after many wonderful years so that we don't have to chow down on supplements to compensate for essential nutrients that are rare outside of meats?

On the first yes, the second no (I think it is just preaching to the choir) ... I agree in principle about older animals, use to be we ate mutton now it's lamb and I don't really know why we have to kill them so young. I'm never gonna be a veggy but I'd happily eat older animals and would also be willing to eat less meat, pay more in order for those animals to be farmed humanely. Meat is nice to eat but it isn't all there is.

Kyu

Quote from: "Tom62"(like with this horrible tasting tofu).

I like tofu (my husband will eat it too).  I think the key is to not use it in a way where it is trying to imitate the flavor of meat (as that is not possible).  I buy the extra firm kind and press the excess water out by setting it on a towel with a weighted plate for about 30 min.  The thing about tofu is that is has very little taste of its own so it will pick up the flavors of marinades very well.  Of course, that also means you have to be a bit more careful about how much and what seasonings you try to put on it.

The soft tofu also makes a great replacement for cream cheese in a spinach dip recipe I use.

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Quote from: "Tom62"(like with this horrible tasting tofu).

The soft tofu also makes a great replacement for cream cheese in a spinach dip recipe I use.

o, cool can you send it to me? i love spinach dip

Quote from: "laetusatheos"I like tofu (my husband will eat it too).  I think the key is to not use it in a way where it is trying to imitate the flavor of meat (as that is not possible).  I buy the extra firm kind and press the excess water out by setting it on a towel with a weighted plate for about 30 min.  The thing about tofu is that is has very little taste of its own so it will pick up the flavors of marinades very well.  Of course, that also means you have to be a bit more careful about how much and what seasonings you try to put on it.

The soft tofu also makes a great replacement for cream cheese in a spinach dip recipe I use.

I've tried tofu several of times with different type of seasonings, but there is something in the tofu that my stomach can't handle. Small dices of it in f.e. a miso soup are still o.k., but if I eat a larger portion then my stomach revolts.

Quote from: "quizlixx"o, cool can you send it to me? i love spinach dip

It is very easy...the trick to making it taste good is getting the right balance of seasonings.  I don't measure so I have no clue how much I use.

1 10oz bag of frozen spinach. (you can use an equivalent amount of canned...but frozen looks and tastes better...plus you don't have to drain the frozen kind for this)
1 package of silken tofu (just use the same amount as would come in a box of cream cheese)
Salt, pepper, garlic powder, cayenne and/or red pepper powder to taste.  I usually go heavy on the pepper and garlic and light on the salt.  A small amount of cayenne goes a long way.  If you can find it, jalapeno powder is great too.

Get a medium sized pot and dump the bag of spinach in it.  Heat on medium until it is unfrozen.  Add in the tofu and mix together.  Add in your spices.  Then just heat the mixture through.  

If you toss in some canned or cooked artichoke hearts it taste even better...but I usually leave them out since artichokes are kinda expensive canned and I use this recepie for a cheap and quick meal (yes, we use this as a meal more often than we do as an appetizer).

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Quote from: "quizlixx"o, cool can you send it to me? i love spinach dip

It is very easy...the trick to making it taste good is getting the right balance of seasonings.  I don't measure so I have no clue how much I use.

1 10oz bag of frozen spinach. (you can use an equivalent amount of canned...but frozen looks and tastes better...plus you don't have to drain the frozen kind for this)
1 package of silken tofu (just use the same amount as would come in a box of cream cheese)
Salt, pepper, garlic powder, cayenne and/or red pepper powder to taste.  I usually go heavy on the pepper and garlic and light on the salt.  A small amount of cayenne goes a long way.  If you can find it, jalapeno powder is great too.

Get a medium sized pot and dump the bag of spinach in it.  Heat on medium until it is unfrozen.  Add in the tofu and mix together.  Add in your spices.  Then just heat the mixture through.  

If you toss in some canned or cooked artichoke hearts it taste even better...but I usually leave them out since artichokes are kinda expensive canned and I use this recepie for a cheap and quick meal (yes, we use this as a meal more often than we do as an appetizer).

this recipe was great :lol: