Title: Kyuuketsuki: Kent
Post by: Kyuuketsuki on October 04, 2008, 07:39:49 PM
Post by: Kyuuketsuki on October 04, 2008, 07:39:49 PM
Hi,
I’m 51 years old, originally from Sussex, spent 10 years in Nottingham, a few in London where I did my degree and the rest in Kent where I live with my gorgeous wife and one of my daughters (the other being away at Uni, second year, optometry). I’m an IT professional by trade managing servers (outsourced) in London.
My dear late Dad was Scottish & a strong Roman Catholic, my mother had to convert from Anglican to marry him so we were bought up as Catholics ... I spent virtually all my young educated life being taught in Catholic schools but ceased to believe about 13. My religious upbringing seemed to consist of priests (mainly Irish) and penguins (nuns) who, by threat of hellfire, brimstone threats and general psychological abuse held me in fear god. I’m not joking about the abuse ... few that I know seem to able to understand Catholic near-fundamentalism but I had nightmares for decades after I left the "loving" embrace of the Catholic Church. I adopted several fads (including a phase of von Danikenism) as I shed my religious heritage and ended up believing in not much of anything ... the sort of position most would call agnosticism but I now realise was atheism.
So, once free, I offered no strong views on religion until 12 years ago when my friend introduced me to an Internet forum where we could have a great deal of fun taking the p*** out of a bunch of religious nutters but it wasn’t that before long we realised that it wasn't actually funny; that these “nutters†were the thin end of a group of US organisations that were well organised & funded and, to use my friends own words, science had taken it's eye off the ball. I said to those who would listen that the UK would be next and a few years later we were “lucky†enough to have Reg Vardy build the first of several Creationist academies in the UK and that was when my friend and I co-found the “Science, Just Science†campaign. It dropped dead nearly immediately but went through a revival a few years back with its greatest achievement being a petition on the prime ministers ePetition site and, with 1500 signatures, a good response from the government. At present, after a disastrous attempt at merging with another similar group, the “Science, Just Science†campaign has collapsed to become a blog.
I am a seasoned debater with, at times, an "uncompromising" style and do not suffer fools or foolish viewpoints gladly ... I find it intensely irritating when someone refers to a person as "a good <whatever religion>" since I fail to see the difference between that and being a good person. 12 years ago I became a militant atheist but, whilst I still have some of that in me, I have kind of mellowed ... it’s not so much that I’m more laid back, more that I fail to see the point in debating fundys and cut very rapidly to just slagging the idiots off, the logic being, it would eventually end up there anyway so why not cut out the middle man? Yes, I know that isn’t good debate technique but, with the way creationists and ID’ers twist the facts and lie, sometimes its hard to see the value of researching and constructing arguments especially when they are going to be blown off by irrelevant scriptural quotes & quote mining, appeals to authority and the usual “you’ll understand one day when you’re suffering in hell for all eternity†type threats. I now tend to be kind to have a kind of ambivalent distain for the religious believing religion to be a bad thing but also that moderate religion should be kind of encouraged on the basis that most people seem to need whacky beliefs and what could replace it could well be infinitely worse ... the moderately religious seem to me to be a double-edged sword, yes they protect us from the worst excesses of fundamentalism but they also serve as a kind of seeding ground for the same thing.
Sad as it may seem I not only work in computing, it is my hobby ... at home I have my own server, a gigabit based network and maybe 6 pc’s (not including my family’s own systems). Despite an intense interest in alternative OS’s such as Linux my OS I still prefer Windows (XP) because it works and works well on any viable hardware platform I have chosen.
Outside of science, religion and computing I mainly focus on music, movies & TV ... I have a lot of DVD's and CD's preferring SF/Action/Fantasy, I go to a gym (slacked off recently) and love a decent pint of beer (not that fizzy stuff so many seem to prefer).
Kyu
I’m 51 years old, originally from Sussex, spent 10 years in Nottingham, a few in London where I did my degree and the rest in Kent where I live with my gorgeous wife and one of my daughters (the other being away at Uni, second year, optometry). I’m an IT professional by trade managing servers (outsourced) in London.
My dear late Dad was Scottish & a strong Roman Catholic, my mother had to convert from Anglican to marry him so we were bought up as Catholics ... I spent virtually all my young educated life being taught in Catholic schools but ceased to believe about 13. My religious upbringing seemed to consist of priests (mainly Irish) and penguins (nuns) who, by threat of hellfire, brimstone threats and general psychological abuse held me in fear god. I’m not joking about the abuse ... few that I know seem to able to understand Catholic near-fundamentalism but I had nightmares for decades after I left the "loving" embrace of the Catholic Church. I adopted several fads (including a phase of von Danikenism) as I shed my religious heritage and ended up believing in not much of anything ... the sort of position most would call agnosticism but I now realise was atheism.
So, once free, I offered no strong views on religion until 12 years ago when my friend introduced me to an Internet forum where we could have a great deal of fun taking the p*** out of a bunch of religious nutters but it wasn’t that before long we realised that it wasn't actually funny; that these “nutters†were the thin end of a group of US organisations that were well organised & funded and, to use my friends own words, science had taken it's eye off the ball. I said to those who would listen that the UK would be next and a few years later we were “lucky†enough to have Reg Vardy build the first of several Creationist academies in the UK and that was when my friend and I co-found the “Science, Just Science†campaign. It dropped dead nearly immediately but went through a revival a few years back with its greatest achievement being a petition on the prime ministers ePetition site and, with 1500 signatures, a good response from the government. At present, after a disastrous attempt at merging with another similar group, the “Science, Just Science†campaign has collapsed to become a blog.
I am a seasoned debater with, at times, an "uncompromising" style and do not suffer fools or foolish viewpoints gladly ... I find it intensely irritating when someone refers to a person as "a good <whatever religion>" since I fail to see the difference between that and being a good person. 12 years ago I became a militant atheist but, whilst I still have some of that in me, I have kind of mellowed ... it’s not so much that I’m more laid back, more that I fail to see the point in debating fundys and cut very rapidly to just slagging the idiots off, the logic being, it would eventually end up there anyway so why not cut out the middle man? Yes, I know that isn’t good debate technique but, with the way creationists and ID’ers twist the facts and lie, sometimes its hard to see the value of researching and constructing arguments especially when they are going to be blown off by irrelevant scriptural quotes & quote mining, appeals to authority and the usual “you’ll understand one day when you’re suffering in hell for all eternity†type threats. I now tend to be kind to have a kind of ambivalent distain for the religious believing religion to be a bad thing but also that moderate religion should be kind of encouraged on the basis that most people seem to need whacky beliefs and what could replace it could well be infinitely worse ... the moderately religious seem to me to be a double-edged sword, yes they protect us from the worst excesses of fundamentalism but they also serve as a kind of seeding ground for the same thing.
Sad as it may seem I not only work in computing, it is my hobby ... at home I have my own server, a gigabit based network and maybe 6 pc’s (not including my family’s own systems). Despite an intense interest in alternative OS’s such as Linux my OS I still prefer Windows (XP) because it works and works well on any viable hardware platform I have chosen.
Outside of science, religion and computing I mainly focus on music, movies & TV ... I have a lot of DVD's and CD's preferring SF/Action/Fantasy, I go to a gym (slacked off recently) and love a decent pint of beer (not that fizzy stuff so many seem to prefer).
Kyu
Title: Re: Kyuuketsuki: Kent
Post by: curiosityandthecat on October 04, 2008, 07:49:26 PM
Post by: curiosityandthecat on October 04, 2008, 07:49:26 PM
Welcome! Glad to have yet another techie here!
Btw, any significance behind the ãã,...ã†ã'ã¤ã? ãƒãƒ³ãƒ'ã,¤ã,¢?
Btw, any significance behind the ãã,...ã†ã'ã¤ã? ãƒãƒ³ãƒ'ã,¤ã,¢?
Title: Re: Kyuuketsuki: Kent
Post by: Kyuuketsuki on October 04, 2008, 07:58:15 PM
Post by: Kyuuketsuki on October 04, 2008, 07:58:15 PM
Quote from: "curiosityandthecat"Welcome! Glad to have yet another techie here!
Btw, any significance behind the ãã,...ã†ã'ã¤ã? ãƒãƒ³ãƒ'ã,¤ã,¢?
Is that my handle in Japanese?
Kyu
Title: Re: Kyuuketsuki: Kent
Post by: curiosityandthecat on October 04, 2008, 08:08:25 PM
Post by: curiosityandthecat on October 04, 2008, 08:08:25 PM
Sure is. :lol:
Title: Re: Kyuuketsuki: Kent
Post by: Kyuuketsuki on October 04, 2008, 08:26:14 PM
Post by: Kyuuketsuki on October 04, 2008, 08:26:14 PM
OK ... thanks 
I have debated under a number of handles since hitting the net and debating fundies 12 years ago.
My first handle was "Stormtrooper" chosen simply to be hard-ass I suppose (a tough image). My second was "Fallen Angel" which denoted my fall from grace (Catholicism) to the depths of hell I might (if wrong) one day occupy. The third was "Undead Hedgehog" because I was already called "Hedgehog" in the real world (spikey hair) and I loved anythign to do with vampires. The fourth was "UK Atheist" which isn't hard to figure and my final one Kyuuketsuki which again returned to the undead theme.
So no, nothing special but they do denote a little of my character I suppose.
EDIT: Although the fact that I was doing Karate at the time may have influenced it!
Kyu
I have debated under a number of handles since hitting the net and debating fundies 12 years ago.
My first handle was "Stormtrooper" chosen simply to be hard-ass I suppose (a tough image). My second was "Fallen Angel" which denoted my fall from grace (Catholicism) to the depths of hell I might (if wrong) one day occupy. The third was "Undead Hedgehog" because I was already called "Hedgehog" in the real world (spikey hair) and I loved anythign to do with vampires. The fourth was "UK Atheist" which isn't hard to figure and my final one Kyuuketsuki which again returned to the undead theme.
So no, nothing special but they do denote a little of my character I suppose.
EDIT: Although the fact that I was doing Karate at the time may have influenced it!
Kyu
Title: Re: Kyuuketsuki: Kent
Post by: myleviathan on October 04, 2008, 09:52:08 PM
Post by: myleviathan on October 04, 2008, 09:52:08 PM
Welcome, Kyu - glad to have you!
Title: Re: Kyuuketsuki: Kent
Post by: rlrose328 on October 04, 2008, 11:06:30 PM
Post by: rlrose328 on October 04, 2008, 11:06:30 PM
Welcome, Kyu... very nice to have you here.
Title: Re: Kyuuketsuki: Kent
Post by: McQ on October 05, 2008, 04:49:25 AM
Post by: McQ on October 05, 2008, 04:49:25 AM
Welcome to the forum. Nice avatar. 
Title: Re: Kyuuketsuki: Kent
Post by: Kyuuketsuki on October 05, 2008, 08:30:28 AM
Post by: Kyuuketsuki on October 05, 2008, 08:30:28 AM
Quote from: "McQ"Welcome to the forum. Nice avatar. :)
Thank you all for the welcomes
Kyu
Title: Re: Kyuuketsuki: Kent
Post by: dodgecity on October 05, 2008, 11:14:44 AM
Post by: dodgecity on October 05, 2008, 11:14:44 AM
Hi Kyuuketsuki, and welcome.
I agree. After thinking about it for a while...I've started to believe that while there are other means to protect us from fundies (like the US constitution, in my case), there is no one else to blame for the persistence of fairy tales other than these lukewarm moderates who live neither by their Bible's word nor common sense and conviction.
Quotethey protect us from the worst excesses of fundamentalism but they also serve as a kind of seeding ground for the same thing.
I agree. After thinking about it for a while...I've started to believe that while there are other means to protect us from fundies (like the US constitution, in my case), there is no one else to blame for the persistence of fairy tales other than these lukewarm moderates who live neither by their Bible's word nor common sense and conviction.
Title: Re: Kyuuketsuki: Kent
Post by: McQ on October 05, 2008, 04:00:49 PM
Post by: McQ on October 05, 2008, 04:00:49 PM
Quote from: "Kyuuketsuki"Quote from: "McQ"Welcome to the forum. Nice avatar. :)
Hal? Hal who? Why is he cool?
Title: Re: Kyuuketsuki: Kent
Post by: curiosityandthecat on October 05, 2008, 05:34:08 PM
Post by: curiosityandthecat on October 05, 2008, 05:34:08 PM
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.focusonnature.be%2Ffiles%2Fimages%2Fdaisy2.preview.jpg&hash=c8cb971044e69b8e0bb4a2cecc7808f3e4d53a31)
Title: Re: Kyuuketsuki: Kent
Post by: Kyuuketsuki on October 05, 2008, 09:27:37 PM
Post by: Kyuuketsuki on October 05, 2008, 09:27:37 PM
Quote from: "McQ"Hal? Hal who? Why is he cool?
Um, not sure if I'm missing something here ... I mean HAL9000 (Kubrick/Clarke's "2001: A Space Odyssey") of course and yes he's cool, he's a talking computer driven by logic, he's cool like Kitt (Knight Rider) :lol:
Kyu
Title: Re: Kyuuketsuki: Kent
Post by: McQ on October 06, 2008, 12:44:51 AM
Post by: McQ on October 06, 2008, 12:44:51 AM
Quote from: "Kyuuketsuki"Quote from: "McQ"Hal? Hal who? Why is he cool?
Um, not sure if I'm missing something here ... I mean HAL9000 (Kubrick/Clarke's "2001: A Space Odyssey") of course and yes he's cool, he's a talking computer driven by logic, he's cool like Kitt (Knight Rider) :lol:
Kyu
Kyu. Look at my avatar. I'm pulling your leg, man! Of course I know who HAL is. :banna:
Title: Re: Kyuuketsuki: Kent
Post by: Kyuuketsuki on October 06, 2008, 08:29:51 AM
Post by: Kyuuketsuki on October 06, 2008, 08:29:51 AM
Quote from: "McQ"Look at my avatar. I'm pulling your leg, man! Of course I know who HAL is. :banna:
Doh! I didn't click ... sorry!
I'll try and find another avatar since you had it first
Kyu
Title: Re: Kyuuketsuki: Kent
Post by: McQ on October 06, 2008, 05:39:32 PM
Post by: McQ on October 06, 2008, 05:39:32 PM
Quote from: "Kyuuketsuki"Quote from: "McQ"Look at my avatar. I'm pulling your leg, man! Of course I know who HAL is. :banna:
Doh! I didn't click ... sorry!
I'll try and find another avatar since you had it first :D
Your avatar shows obvious style, sense, wit, and intelligence!
Title: Re: Kyuuketsuki: Kent
Post by: Asmodean on October 06, 2008, 07:27:29 PM
Post by: Asmodean on October 06, 2008, 07:27:29 PM
Quote from: "McQ"Your avatar shows obvious style, sense, wit, and intelligence! :D
Uh... Didn't we have one more HAL somewhere around here..?
Title: Re: Kyuuketsuki: Kent
Post by: McQ on October 06, 2008, 10:10:02 PM
Post by: McQ on October 06, 2008, 10:10:02 PM
Quote from: "Asmodean"Quote from: "McQ"Your avatar shows obvious style, sense, wit, and intelligence! :D
Uh... Didn't we have one more HAL somewhere around here..? :(
Title: Re: Kyuuketsuki: Kent
Post by: Tom62 on October 06, 2008, 10:24:45 PM
Post by: Tom62 on October 06, 2008, 10:24:45 PM
Quote from: "Asmodean"Quote from: "McQ"Your avatar shows obvious style, sense, wit, and intelligence! :D
Uh... Didn't we have one more HAL somewhere around here..?
Oops.. we've got an avatar copyright infringement here. Kyuuketsuki should change the color of the camera eye from red to blue. That would change his HAL to ("her") SAL.
Title: Re: Kyuuketsuki: Kent
Post by: SteveS on October 07, 2008, 04:19:02 PM
Post by: SteveS on October 07, 2008, 04:19:02 PM
Hey Kyu - welcome to the board!