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Post by: joeactor on August 18, 2006, 02:46:43 AM
Post by: joeactor on August 18, 2006, 02:46:43 AM
Hello all,
Just popping in to say "hey"...
I saw an answer by one of your members on Yahoo Answers that I quite enjoyed - and here I am.
For the record, I was raised Roman Catholic (wait for it), and am now an Agnostic Theist.
Go figure.
Hope all is well with all y'all - yakatcha soon,
JoeActor
Just popping in to say "hey"...
I saw an answer by one of your members on Yahoo Answers that I quite enjoyed - and here I am.
For the record, I was raised Roman Catholic (wait for it), and am now an Agnostic Theist.
Go figure.
Hope all is well with all y'all - yakatcha soon,
JoeActor
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Post by: Woody on August 18, 2006, 03:09:28 AM
Post by: Woody on August 18, 2006, 03:09:28 AM
Hi, JoeActor, and welcome.
Agnostic Theist? Does that mean you favour that a god exists but are willing to be convinced otherwise? Could be interesting.
Agnostic Theist? Does that mean you favour that a god exists but are willing to be convinced otherwise? Could be interesting.
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Post by: McQ on August 18, 2006, 03:12:51 AM
Post by: McQ on August 18, 2006, 03:12:51 AM
Welcome, Joe.
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Post by: Whitney on August 18, 2006, 03:25:29 AM
Post by: Whitney on August 18, 2006, 03:25:29 AM
Hey Joe...welcome to the forum
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Post by: Squid on August 18, 2006, 03:59:11 AM
Post by: Squid on August 18, 2006, 03:59:11 AM
Welcome Joe. I've been to Yahoo Answers a few times - I answer under AtheistCoalition (shameless plug, I know).
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Post by: Erinos on August 18, 2006, 04:35:45 AM
Post by: Erinos on August 18, 2006, 04:35:45 AM
Hello! You've taken my "New Guy" title, so thanks, and I hope you stick around.
Aslo, as Woody asked, what exactly do you mean by Agnostic Theist?
Aslo, as Woody asked, what exactly do you mean by Agnostic Theist?
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Post by: joeactor on August 18, 2006, 02:55:42 PM
Post by: joeactor on August 18, 2006, 02:55:42 PM
Hello all - thanks for the warm welcome!
Great question Woody and Erinos, let's see if I can start a good discussion with this one...
Agnosticism deals with knowledge. In essence, I claim no knowledge of god (or gods). Such knowledge of god's form, capabilities, moods, or even existence is super-natural, and therefore out of the realm of the "know-able".
Theism and Atheism are both based on belief, not knowledge. I believe there is a god, but have no proof (nor do I seek proof). You may believe there is no god, but logically cannot prove a negative hypothesis.
The realms of belief and knowledge are often confused by religion. Many claim to "know" things, yet have no proof. What they do have is belief, which is fine, but not knowledge.
So, I'm open to thoughts, concepts and criticism.
Bring it on! (but be gentle...),
JoeActor
Quote from: "Erinos"Hello! You've taken my "New Guy" title, so thanks, and I hope you stick around.
Aslo, as Woody asked, what exactly do you mean by Agnostic Theist?
Great question Woody and Erinos, let's see if I can start a good discussion with this one...
Agnosticism deals with knowledge. In essence, I claim no knowledge of god (or gods). Such knowledge of god's form, capabilities, moods, or even existence is super-natural, and therefore out of the realm of the "know-able".
Theism and Atheism are both based on belief, not knowledge. I believe there is a god, but have no proof (nor do I seek proof). You may believe there is no god, but logically cannot prove a negative hypothesis.
The realms of belief and knowledge are often confused by religion. Many claim to "know" things, yet have no proof. What they do have is belief, which is fine, but not knowledge.
So, I'm open to thoughts, concepts and criticism.
Bring it on! (but be gentle...),
JoeActor
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Post by: iplaw on August 18, 2006, 03:11:41 PM
Post by: iplaw on August 18, 2006, 03:11:41 PM
Lemme see if I understand:
In essence humans trying to use our mind or science to "know" God is like humans trying to measure consciousness with a slide rule or compass. The measuring instrument is insufficient to measure the specimen...The most we could hope for is measuring after effects of whatever interaction this god has with our world. But the idea is ad hoc because even measuring the after effect of god's involvement does not necessarily allow us to draw inferences about that god's ontology.
It's like the premise of Flatland, that humans are fundamentally unable to understand or measure an infinitely dimensional object, in fact, we have problems visualizing or theorizing what an object with even 5 dimensions would be capable of or look like.
FYI, prepare yourself...
In essence humans trying to use our mind or science to "know" God is like humans trying to measure consciousness with a slide rule or compass. The measuring instrument is insufficient to measure the specimen...The most we could hope for is measuring after effects of whatever interaction this god has with our world. But the idea is ad hoc because even measuring the after effect of god's involvement does not necessarily allow us to draw inferences about that god's ontology.
It's like the premise of Flatland, that humans are fundamentally unable to understand or measure an infinitely dimensional object, in fact, we have problems visualizing or theorizing what an object with even 5 dimensions would be capable of or look like.
FYI, prepare yourself...
QuoteYou may believe there is no god, but logically cannot prove a negative hypothesis.Here come the pink unicorns and Santa analogies...
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Post by: MommaSquid on August 18, 2006, 06:16:43 PM
Post by: MommaSquid on August 18, 2006, 06:16:43 PM
Quote from: "joeactor"Agnosticism deals with knowledge. In essence, I claim no knowledge of god (or gods)...(nor do I seek proof).
Have you read the UCTAA Articles of Faith? "I don't know and I don't care" doesn't leave much room for discussion, but it is an amusing way to look at the whole god problem. I kinda like it!
UCTAA (http://apatheticagnostic.com/church.html)
Welcome to the forum, joeactor.
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Post by: joeactor on August 18, 2006, 06:28:56 PM
Post by: joeactor on August 18, 2006, 06:28:56 PM
Quote from: "MommaSquid"Quote from: "joeactor"Agnosticism deals with knowledge. In essence, I claim no knowledge of god (or gods)...(nor do I seek proof).
Have you read the UCTAA Articles of Faith? "I don't know and I don't care" doesn't leave much room for discussion, but it is an amusing way to look at the whole god problem. I kinda like it!
UCTAA (http://apatheticagnostic.com/church.html)
Welcome to the forum, joeactor.
Thanks MommaSquid!
Great link... very funny (even if they didn't intend it!)
I'll attempt to be non-apathetic... but I'm not making any promises!
[glow=red]I'm a frisbeetarian: we believe that when you die, your soul goes up to the roof and gets stuck there. --unknown[/glow]
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Post by: McQ on August 18, 2006, 07:44:06 PM
Post by: McQ on August 18, 2006, 07:44:06 PM
Quote from: "joeactor"Quote from: "MommaSquid"Quote from: "joeactor"Agnosticism deals with knowledge. In essence, I claim no knowledge of god (or gods)...(nor do I seek proof).
Have you read the UCTAA Articles of Faith? "I don't know and I don't care" doesn't leave much room for discussion, but it is an amusing way to look at the whole god problem. I kinda like it!
UCTAA (http://apatheticagnostic.com/church.html)
Welcome to the forum, joeactor.
Thanks MommaSquid!
Great link... very funny (even if they didn't intend it!)
I'll attempt to be non-apathetic... but I'm not making any promises!
[glow=red]I'm a frisbeetarian: we believe that when you die, your soul goes up to the roof and gets stuck there. --unknown[/glow]
HEY! You used my religious quote! LOL! It's "Frisbeean", and the original is attributed to Jim Stafford. I thought I was the only Frisbeean on the board. Boy, am I glad to have company. :-)
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Post by: joeactor on August 18, 2006, 09:04:12 PM
Post by: joeactor on August 18, 2006, 09:04:12 PM
Quote from: "McQ"HEY! You used my religious quote! LOL! It's "Frisbeean", and the original is attributed to Jim Stafford. I thought I was the only Frisbeean on the board. Boy, am I glad to have company. :-)
Cool - thanks for the reference point.
I used to have a button with the Frisbeean frase on it...
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Post by: silviakjell on August 20, 2006, 04:03:54 PM
Post by: silviakjell on August 20, 2006, 04:03:54 PM
Welcome joeactor. Sorry I'm so late, I went out of Shanghai for a little trip with my aunt. :P
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Post by: joeactor on August 20, 2006, 04:10:01 PM
Post by: joeactor on August 20, 2006, 04:10:01 PM
Quote from: "silviakjell"Welcome joeactor. Sorry I'm so late, I went out of Shanghai for a little trip with my aunt. :P
Thanks - hope your trip to Shanghai was enjoyable (never been there myself, but the wife has).
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Post by: Big Mac on August 20, 2006, 04:14:23 PM
Post by: Big Mac on August 20, 2006, 04:14:23 PM
So you were....Shanghaied? Hehehehehehe hahahahaha.
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Post by: silviakjell on August 20, 2006, 04:28:09 PM
Post by: silviakjell on August 20, 2006, 04:28:09 PM
Don't get it... Shanghaied?
Actually I'm still here, returning to America on the 23rd.
Actually I'm still here, returning to America on the 23rd.
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Post by: Big Mac on August 20, 2006, 04:54:23 PM
Post by: Big Mac on August 20, 2006, 04:54:23 PM
Shanghaied means getting kidnapped. It was joke since you are in Shanghai.
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Post by: silviakjell on August 21, 2006, 06:06:46 AM
Post by: silviakjell on August 21, 2006, 06:06:46 AM
It means getting kidnapped? How strange.