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Title: What's this?
Post by: zorkan on May 05, 2024, 05:41:09 PM
https://www.popsci.com/science/ancient-mystery-object/
Title: Re: What's this?
Post by: zorkan on May 05, 2024, 05:42:34 PM
Is it possible: https://phil.cdc.gov/Details.aspx?pid=23312
Title: Re: What's this?
Post by: Dark Lightning on May 05, 2024, 07:06:34 PM
It is an aid for knitting fingers for gloves.
Title: Re: What's this?
Post by: Recusant on May 06, 2024, 03:39:12 AM
Used for an ancient precursor of Dungeons and Dragons, surely.
Title: Re: What's this?
Post by: Icarus on May 06, 2024, 11:19:25 PM
 it is an errant space ship brought by tiny aliens who misplaced their balls.

In fact it is a superb piece of work by a highly skilled artisan. A bit too intricate for a sand cast mold. Probably a clay mold of some sort. The most difficult part of the mold was the cavities for the knobs. Aside from the method of production, the maker of the object knew more than a little about solid geometry and a helping of trig..

I spent a part of my professional life designing molds for various objects and various materials.  I'd have gotten a headache while doing that mold design work. 

Our casting/sculpting/artistic  Hermes might weigh in on the possible method that was used.

The object need not have a specific purpose. It could be an exercise in artful creation by a very clever person.     
Title: Re: What's this?
Post by: Dark Lightning on May 07, 2024, 01:43:15 AM
That particular example in the link above is cast bronze. My wife has one that used nails for the knobs. The different size holes are for different size fingers.
Here is one in use-
Title: Re: What's this?
Post by: billy rubin on May 07, 2024, 02:42:28 AM
yes!!!!
Title: Re: What's this?
Post by: Tank on May 07, 2024, 10:17:57 AM
A pasta measure?

EDIT: They'll be some red faces in academia over that :rofl:
Title: Re: What's this?
Post by: zorkan on May 07, 2024, 12:16:45 PM
Skin massage tool perhaps.
Romans liked cleanliness.
Hold one side with fingers, then all over do it yourself body massage.
Might have been a big seller as many of these have been found.




Title: Re: What's this?
Post by: Tank on May 07, 2024, 02:03:48 PM
Quote from: zorkan on May 07, 2024, 12:16:45 PMSkin massage tool perhaps.
Romans liked cleanliness.
Hold one side with fingers, then all over do it yourself body massage.
Might have been a big seller as many of these have been found.


I think you missed the video like I did :D
Title: Re: What's this?
Post by: Recusant on May 08, 2024, 03:49:41 AM
I don't think the "knitting tool" hypothesis is conclusive. Some of those dodecahedrons are only about 4 centimeters tall (1.5 inches). Seems unlikely that they were knitting gloves for infants (or toddlers for that matter). Some of them are made of stone and solid as well--would not work for the purpose. Then there are the smaller versions made of gold that were found in Asia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_dodecahedron#Similar_objects).

Similarly enigmatic ancient objects: the carved stone balls (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carved_stone_balls) from the British Isles.
Title: Re: What's this?
Post by: hermes2015 on May 08, 2024, 04:58:26 AM
Quote from: Recusant on May 08, 2024, 03:49:41 AMI don't think the "knitting tool" hypothesis is conclusive. Some of those dodecahedrons are only about 4 centimeters tall (1.5 inches). Seems unlikely that they were knitting gloves for infants (or toddlers for that matter). Some of them are made of stone and solid as well--would not work for the purpose. Then there are the smaller versions made of gold that were found in Asia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_dodecahedron#Similar_objects).

Similarly enigmatic ancient objects: the carved stone balls (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carved_stone_balls) from the British Isles.

Thanks for the link; those stone balls are wonderful. They are quite inspiring and I shall look at more examples to use as seeds for my concrete spheres.
Title: Re: What's this?
Post by: hermes2015 on May 08, 2024, 05:12:41 AM
Title: Re: What's this?
Post by: Tank on May 08, 2024, 07:34:11 AM
Quote from: Recusant on May 08, 2024, 03:49:41 AMI don't think the "knitting tool" hypothesis is conclusive. Some of those dodecahedrons are only about 4 centimeters tall (1.5 inches). Seems unlikely that they were knitting gloves for infants (or toddlers for that matter). Some of them are made of stone and solid as well--would not work for the purpose. Then there are the smaller versions made of gold that were found in Asia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_dodecahedron#Similar_objects).

Similarly enigmatic ancient objects: the carved stone balls (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carved_stone_balls) from the British Isles.

Damn! Spoil sport!  >:(
Title: Re: What's this?
Post by: Recusant on May 09, 2024, 02:49:06 AM
Quote from: hermes2015 on May 08, 2024, 04:58:26 AM
Quote from: Recusant on May 08, 2024, 03:49:41 AMI don't think the "knitting tool" hypothesis is conclusive. Some of those dodecahedrons are only about 4 centimeters tall (1.5 inches). Seems unlikely that they were knitting gloves for infants (or toddlers for that matter). Some of them are made of stone and solid as well--would not work for the purpose. Then there are the smaller versions made of gold that were found in Asia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_dodecahedron#Similar_objects).

Similarly enigmatic ancient objects: the carved stone balls (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carved_stone_balls) from the British Isles.

Thanks for the link; those stone balls are wonderful. They are quite inspiring and I shall look at more examples to use as seeds for my concrete spheres.

My pleasure. They've intrigued me for years. Thanks for the link to the video.
Title: Re: What's this?
Post by: Recusant on May 09, 2024, 02:55:46 AM
Quote from: Tank on May 08, 2024, 07:34:11 AM
Quote from: Recusant on May 08, 2024, 03:49:41 AMI don't think the "knitting tool" hypothesis is conclusive. Some of those dodecahedrons are only about 4 centimeters tall (1.5 inches). Seems unlikely that they were knitting gloves for infants (or toddlers for that matter). Some of them are made of stone and solid as well--would not work for the purpose. Then there are the smaller versions made of gold that were found in Asia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_dodecahedron#Similar_objects).

Similarly enigmatic ancient objects: the carved stone balls (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carved_stone_balls) from the British Isles.

Damn! Spoil sport!  >:(

Yeah, though there's no saying that they weren't used by innovative Gauls to make gloves. :excuse:
Title: Re: What's this?
Post by: zorkan on May 10, 2024, 12:47:02 PM
Lorena Hitchens thinks they might have religious significance.

https://www.newarkadvertiser.co.uk/news/tv-show-to-star-mystery-roman-object-found-near-villa-site-w-9347699/

12 gods of Greece, maybe.
Roman's adopted Greek gods and changed their names.
Title: Re: What's this?
Post by: Asmodean on June 04, 2024, 02:10:04 PM
Quote from: Recusant on May 06, 2024, 03:39:12 AMUsed for an ancient precursor of Dungeons and Dragons, surely.
:smilenod: Is a D12 from before it was cool... Which, let's face it, it never actually was. :sad sigh:

The Asmo is a nerd though, and that is good enough for the Asmo.
Title: Re: What's this?
Post by: Icarus on June 26, 2024, 03:03:52 AM
A casual interest history article about Kublai Khan the Mongolian. 

https://www.historyextra.com/period/medieval/kublai-khan-life-rule-death/?utm_source=pocket-newtab-en-us (https://www.historyextra.com/period/medieval/kublai-khan-life-rule-death/?utm_source=pocket-newtab-en-us)