Quote from: hermes2015 on March 17, 2021, 04:07:25 AM
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okay. this tool cabinet is driving me nuts, because i don't know what all these things are. when i was a child, i had a reprint of an old 1902 sears and roebuck catalog, which had lots of images of 19th century woodbutcher's kits. so some of the tools are pretty esoteric, but i recognize them. others are just mysterious.
what are these things at the end of the red lines?
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specialized instruments are really interesting to me, and hand tools are the epitome of specialized stuff. i have hundreds of pounds of hand tools. some that i made for a single purpose are so specialized that i don't even remember what they do, but i can't get rid of them because th enext time i need them i will instantly recognize their purpose.
by the way, if you have an interesting tool that you use for something, i would be interested in seeing it. especially stuff that you have made yourself.
top right are mortice and tenon gauges but why there would be 4 I don't understand.
https://toolsforworkingwood.com/store/more/gaugeguide.html
do you use more than one when making something? maybe there is an advantage to having several at different settings?
how do use you them? i know jack about wood working.
the more i look into that set of tools the more i see that i dont understand. its so complete that it looks like a display piece, or maybe a salesman's sample set. id love to see whats in the drawers
Quote from: billy rubin on March 19, 2021, 09:08:43 PM
do you use more than one when making something? maybe there is an advantage to having several at different settings?
how do use you them? i know jack about wood working.
the more i look into that set of tools the more i see that i dont understand. its so complete that it looks like a display piece, or maybe a salesman's sample set. id love to see whats in the drawers
Have a look in the link. I recognise them but rarely use them.
I have a rosewood marking tool pretty much like the one you see if you scroll down to the "tip" picture. I seldom use it. If Studley made furniture, he would potentially need more M&T gauges, depending on the various thicknesses of wood he was using, but that seems a stretch. He also worked on pianos, but a perusal of piano tuning tools doesn't provide much information. In the right bay, the two cylindrical devices near the top and at either side look like they might be Yankee drivers. If the picture was clearer maybe I could make out what those things are.
Amends: Studley built pianos.
Also, Billy: If you are feeling munificent, you can buy a poster here:
https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/books-and-dvds/73767-studley-tool-chest-poster?item=LC130
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shit, i didn't know studley was a person. i thought it was a tool supplier
so he made this thing
what are these roundy things?
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th epictures on the net aren't the same. look at this. theres a tool missing just above th ecombinatio5on square, to the left of the 4-inch rule and below the screwdriver
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this tool chest is making me furiously curious. he has vast numbers of dividers for transferring measurements, but apparently no rule longer than the 12-inch square for generating an original length.
how can you lay out a piano with only a foot-long rule?
i dont see a single file, or a wood rasp. i can understand not having taps and dies, but no files?
how can you fit the metal pieces to a piano without files?
No idea what those roundy things are. I'm willing to bet that the files and rasps are going to be neatly sorted in those drawers, but how many files and rasps does one need to make a piano? I'm thinking pretty much none, personally. I'm also willing to bet that he had a folding wooden ruler in one of those drawers. https://www.amazon.com/Lufkin-X46SLN-Wood-Brass-Black/dp/B00HDSPIUE/ref=asc_df_B00HDSPIUE/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=366409914449&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13116002951045546179&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031634&hvtargid=pla-876272215117&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=76503872336&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=366409914449&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13116002951045546179&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031634&hvtargid=pla-876272215117 (https://www.amazon.com/Lufkin-X46SLN-Wood-Brass-Black/dp/B00HDSPIUE/ref=asc_df_B00HDSPIUE/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=366409914449&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13116002951045546179&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031634&hvtargid=pla-876272215117&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=76503872336&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=366409914449&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13116002951045546179&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031634&hvtargid=pla-876272215117)
DLs photo shows what is generally know by old craftsmen as A "Yankee" screwdriver. Push down on the handle and the screwdriver bit turns. Not as convenient as our current electric screwdrivers and not nearly as fast or easy. But it worked.
The tool box is a beauty but it is a bit ostentatious. For one thing the presumably dated tool box has iron planes. Old time craftsmen made planes of wood. That there are Machinists tools along with the woodworker tools is suggestive of some kind of exhibitionism. Not to be too critical........that craftsman was probably proud of all his tools and chose to show them as best he/she (not likely she in that time) could.
I confess that I have damned near every one of those tools including both wood and metal working and measuring tools. That is because I have had a really long period of time to collect all of those things. Some of them are, at this time not much used, treasures nonetheless...............for example I have a full set of letter drills that have never ever been used. They are the Cleveland Tap and Die brand which was state of the art of the long ago day. They are still in the original envelope packages. I inherited them from my father who inherited them from an even older machinist.
I recently sold, on Craigs List, some tools that I need like I need a paper ass. There was the boring head with carbide cutters for the milling machine, a beautiful set of ultra precise gauge blocks, a dial center finder for the mill and a precision sine bar.
I have sold some of the lesser tools at yard sales. I did not particularly need the money but I needed/wanted the space that they occupied. Aaah nostalgia ain't gonna matter when I am in my grave.....or in my case a box of powdery granules. Now that i think of it, what will the survivors do with my ashes? Hey I have got it. Mix my ashes with the several containers of ashes that were once my several beloved dogs.
I had a feeling the picture would evoke interest when I posted it, but not such deep analysis.
its a window that looks into a different world
I think most people here know I like to make connections. When I saw this tool cabinet, it immediately brought to mind the artist Joseph Cornell's assemblages. I think that was the main reason I was attracted to it.
https://milenaolesinska77.medium.com/joseph-cornell-pioneer-of-assemblage-art-87d7fa3c06c4
More Cornell.
https://www.pinterest.jp/pin/316940892521358708/
It looks kinda steam punk.
I don't like mortice and tenon gauges.
I remember high school woodwork, I didn't use them well so had to redo, my job got smaller and smaller.
i can't help myself
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1 large tack hammer
2 small tack hammer
3 c;aw hammer
4 1-foot rule
4 ???
7 ??
8 vernier calipers
9 adjustable hole cutter
10 steel square
11 ??????
12 part of 8
13 lar flat blade sxcrewdriver
14 small monkey wrench
15 this is a small plane, appraised at US$700 in 1993
16 4-inch rule
17 combination square
18 small outside calipers
19 larger outside calipers
20 compass
21 pin vise?
22 ???
23 ???
24 square?
25 ???
26 ???
27 largear monkey wrench
there's other ittl stuff that i can't distinguish. dunno whether its a tool or ornamentation
There are two tools numbered 15. #21 could be a center punch. A higher resolution picture would help immensely.
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somebody tell me what these are
there's a mental economy in storing you rtools lik ethis. i'm not that way, so i have five tubing cutters, four or five grease guns, multip[le 1/4-inch and 3/8-inch socket wrench extension sthe same size, two magnetic angle protractors, three or four wire crimpers, and so on. because i cant find stuff and have to go buy another
Earlier in the thread both Icarus and I identified #1 as a Yankee driver.
#2, no idea
#3, perhaps screwdrivers, as a sharpening steel for a cabinet scraper wouldn't require a duplicate
#4, and the #5 between the #6 are Forstner bits or hole saws
#6, I dunno. Appear to be scratch stocks, but nobody needs that many. They may be clamps?
#7 is a brass-loaded mallet
#8, don't see it
#9 are twist drill bits
#10 no idea
#11 no idea
#12 probably another screwdriver
#13 probably a compass
#14 possibly a thickness gauge
#15 is a brace and bit, or just a brace if it has no bits in it
#16 is a drill gauge
#17 (&22) wire and sheet metal thickness gauges
#18, 19, 20, Idunno
#21 appears to be dividers
#23, 24, 25, 26 Idunno
If you go to finewoodworking.com and chat some people up maybe they can help. There are probably some there who have seen it in person.
the 6 s are 5he mortise/tenon things
20 is a center gauge
https://www.amazon.com/Brown-Sharpe-599-650-1-Center-Gage/dp/B0006J3DN6/ref=asc_df_B0006J3DN6/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312065326466&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14333693276598823356&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9015215&hvtargid=pla-568114724086&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=67624217252&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=312065326466&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14333693276598823356&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9015215&hvtargid=pla-568114724086
ill bet yore right on 14. that never occurred to me
The tool #17 in your FIRST pic is a combination square with a center finder. #20 in your SECOND picture seems to be something else. OK, I went and looked. Center gauge is correct. That's not a tool I've encountered in my many years of wood and metal working. Kind of surprised, as I studied wood working for four years and metal working for 3-1/2 years in high school. Of course, having graduated HS in 1970, I'm certain that I've forgotten some things.
the combination square looks like an original starrett. he invented the thing back when nobody could work with that precision
https://www.starrett.com/docs/default-source/other-downloadable-resources/the-starrett-story-(1216).pdf?sfvrsn=2
"I saw no other way but to try to create a business for myself by inventing something
useful that people would want."
"I had worked at pattern making and used clumsy, fixed-blade try squares. I realized
the need of a more handy instrument, gave the subject careful study and drew a
design that pleased me, and made patterns of it, sitting at the kitchen table night after
night until the small hours."
"I secured a foot lathe for my room and after I had made patterns, got castings and a
blade for my combination square and took them to a nearby machine shop, engaged
the best workman and stood by for two days until he got finished. The man was an
expert toolmaker so when it was finished I asked: 'Well, what do you think of it?' He
said: 'I would not give a damn for it.' But that did not discourage me. I knew his reason.
He believed that the sliding blade in a square stock could not be ground sufficiently
accurate to be depended upon, the difficulty being the then almost impossible task
of grinding a perfect straight edge to form the blade, due to the heat generated in
grinding. I believed the difficulty could be overcome, and it was, so that we were
finally able to guarantee our squares standard for accuracy and they are so accepted
the world over."
i don't own a lathe, so i've never used one of these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7uVNurw2sc
I do believe that combination square with center finder and the 4" double square are Starrett. They look just like mine. The combination square scale is 6", in my case. His looks to be 8", scaling from the small square.
As for maintaining square, the "seats" inside are hardened. One can send a square back to Starrett for calibration. https://www.starrett.com/repair-services
The routine way to set the cutting tool height on a lathe uses a simple straight edge or metal ruler. hold the ruler against the part to be turned. The ruker vertical. Run the cutting tool lightly against the ruler. The cutting tool will force the ruler against the part to be turned. If the ruler is vertical then the tool height is about right. If it is tilted one way or the other from vertical, adjustment of the tool height is obvious.
Some smaller lathes will need to have the cutting tool slightly above center because of natural deflection of the tool. Big Bertha type lathes need no tweaking because they are so rigid. DL can tell us how the wood lathe is done. That is a different breed of cat.