Why The Seemingly Messy Ones May Be More Intelligent (http://iheartintelligence.com/2015/11/06/messy-ones-more-intelligent/)
New Research: Messy Desk is a Sign of Intelligence and Creativity (https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/new-research-messy-desk-sign-intelligence-creativity-arzoona-khalid)
The Psychology Behind Messy Rooms: Why The Most Creative People Flourish In Clutter (http://elitedaily.com/elite/psychology-behind-messy-rooms-messy-room-may-necessarily-bad-thing/708046/)
And lots more!
I was untidy as a kid, until a project got under way. 12 years in the RAF never cured me of this trait so I decided it was genetic and not worth eorrying about. I have net anal people with high IQs, but they are mostly super methodical, rarely creative in the "lateral thinking" sense. That trait has its uses and often solves existing problems, but rarely, in my experience, creates new ideas or products.
So, here's to untidiness! :cheers:
Hmmmph. I don't like this research. Fake news!
I was really tidy as a child. I had a reason for everything. Even moving my stuff had a purpose lol
Then my Dad met my step mom and somewhere between then and now I ended up really messy. Although probably cleaner than some others.
I call bullshit on the first two articles and horseshit on the other one. Those are feeble excuses for disorganization and slovenly behavior.
A sloppy workshop is a certified time waste mechanism. Your tools are scattered here and yon and you need a 14 mm socket but you can not find it for several minutes in the messy environment. If the place is tidy you can put your hand on that wrench in two seconds. Same deal for any other tool or part for the project being worked on. I ought to know...and I do. My desk obeys pretty much the same rules. I may have a stack of papers but the stack has some sense of organization so that I can find that receipt or note that I need. Messy people may be more creative but only to the extent that they can create more chaotic surroundings in a shorter length of time.
My wife, bless her heart, is a mental case. Her office is constantly in a state of confusion such that she can not find her ass with either hand. She calls me often to help her find some important item or document. On the other hand she is absolutely fastidious about her person. Her clothing, make up, hair, and nails are consistently near perfect. go figure.
Elaine is an E Bay power seller who ships many packages every day. To her credit, she does keep her substantial inventory of soaps, candles, and cosmetics pretty well sorted most of the time. When it gets messy she can not find an item that someone has ordered and then she panics because she is committed to shipping orders promptly. Gotta' find that item right now. " Gene, Help me find the Bath And Body Works lighthouse wallflower (or whatever)....I have to ship it today for sure......" Messy does not get it. P.S. Ladies if you are interested in Bath and Body works or Yankee Candle stuff.......Look for the e-bay seller named Radarsam.
Actually you have raised a good point, Icarus. I would not say that my work area is exactly tidy but everything I use regularly has its place (I have limited available wall space so stuff has to sit in boxes, but there is a box or shelf or other place for everything.)
But it would look like a tip to my friend who prefers everything shut in cupboards and drawers. My living area is similsr but there might be three or four sets of project matetials littering every horizontal surface. No-where to put them away whilst waiting for bits, ideas or time. In a second story bed sitter even the packing etc, is on display, waiting to be dumped or recycled, 'cos I have no bin area outside.
But I an not naturally inclined to worry about having to navigate piles of stuff or put things away every time I stop using them for a few hours. I know where they are if I need them.
It's a sort of ordered untidyness combined with diverted or occupied attention with the occasional collapse into lazyness! If its thinking time doing has to wait, the stuff will be there tomorrow or next week, the thought might not be.
Quote from: Gloucester on June 27, 2017, 09:11:26 PM
I have net anal people with high IQs...
How does one "
net anal people with high IQs", sounds like it could be an interesting sport. :grin:
:P
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on June 28, 2017, 02:54:23 AM
Quote from: Gloucester on June 27, 2017, 09:11:26 PM
I have net anal people with high IQs...
How does one "net anal people with high IQs", sounds like it could be an interesting sport. :grin:
:P
I'd like to volunteer to be the netter lol
Quote from: Arturo on June 28, 2017, 02:55:14 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on June 28, 2017, 02:54:23 AM
Quote from: Gloucester on June 27, 2017, 09:11:26 PM
I have net anal people with high IQs...
How does one "net anal people with high IQs", sounds like it could be an interesting sport. :grin:
:P
I'd like to volunteer to be the netter lol
Only if your netting technique is flawless. :P We don't want those anal people running away...
(I'm just poking some fun, your typos are the best, Gloucester! :hug: )
Oh wait until you see my netting...
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on June 28, 2017, 03:02:41 AM
Quote from: Arturo on June 28, 2017, 02:55:14 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on June 28, 2017, 02:54:23 AM
Quote from: Gloucester on June 27, 2017, 09:11:26 PM
I have net anal people with high IQs...
How does one "net anal people with high IQs", sounds like it could be an interesting sport. :grin:
:P
I'd like to volunteer to be the netter lol
Only if your netting technique is flawless. :P We don't want those anal people running away...
(I'm just poking some fun, your typos are the best, Gloucester! :hug: )
I know, I know - but why is it always the embarrassing ones that slip through my editting net? No, they are just the ones that get noticed...
:redface:
I actually watch my finger and am sure I hit the right on-screen-key but, no, missed again.
People who are organized are just too lazy to look for things! :) :)
Quote from: Tom62 on June 28, 2017, 06:03:17 AM
People who are organized are just too lazy to look for things! :) :)
Like your thinking there, Tom!
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Gloucester on June 28, 2017, 09:34:56 AM
Quote from: Tom62 on June 28, 2017, 06:03:17 AM
People who are organized are just too lazy to look for things! :) :)
Like your thinking there, Tom!
:thumbsup:
I'll second that, nice one Tom! 8)
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How does one "net anal people with high IQs", sounds like it could be an interesting sport.
But, possibly a back door entrance to a real shitty experience.
I like things to be clean and in their places. But when I'm working on something, I don't want to waste time and brain power on constantly cleaning up. Most times I work until I have to go do something else and don't have enough time to clean up. So then I have a pretty constant controlled mess. Every once in a while when it gets to be too much, I will go in and clean it all up and nice. Then start on my controlled mess all over again.
For the first little bit, the "mess" is more efficient than constantly looking for and grabbing what I need from its spot then putting it back when I'm done with it. Because a lot of the time, I'll just need the thing again after a few minutes.
Some people think my notes are messy, but I promise I have at least some structure. On the top left side I have the things I need to do and thus keep track of. The rest of it is for random notes that I need for whatever I'm working on at the time. And then the doodles are for anywhere they fit and to keep me awake during meetings.
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So I don't know if being smart makes people leave messes or if having a bit of a controlled mess is a smarter way to work, but I think it's the latter.
Quote from: Davin on June 28, 2017, 04:15:48 PM
I like things to be clean and in their places. But when I'm working on something, I don't want to waste time and brain power on constantly cleaning up. Most times I work until I have to go do something else and don't have enough time to clean up. So then I have a pretty constant controlled mess. Every once in a while when it gets to be too much, I will go in and clean it all up and nice. Then start on my controlled mess all over again.
For the first little bit, the "mess" is more efficient than constantly looking for and grabbing what I need from its spot then putting it back when I'm done with it. Because a lot of the time, I'll just need the thing again after a few minutes.
Some people think my notes are messy, but I promise I have at least some structure. On the top left side I have the things I need to do and thus keep track of. The rest of it is for random notes that I need for whatever I'm working on at the time. And then the doodles are for anywhere they fit and to keep me awake during meetings.
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So I don't know if being smart makes people leave messes or if having a bit of a controlled mess is a smarter way to work, but I think it's the latter.
Davin, I didn't realize you were bilingual, what language are your notes in?
I will certainly agree with most of what you have said, Davin, if stuff is going to be used in the near future (for me that's within the next 4 weeks mostly!) seems like a waste of time putting it away, especially when that means my getting the attic ladder rigged and climbing up it because a lot of stuff is stored up there.
Also why I have got three sets of the most commonly used small tools like screwdrivers, adjustable spanners, pliers etc - one in a box on my desk, one in a toolbox and tool roll in the cupboard for grabbing for jobs away from home and one in the attic for projects etc.. Then I know where all the tooks I need are when and where I need them.
But it all means there is more of what one friend calls "clutter"! Even her cupboards are almost bare, but then, she spends 90% of her leisure time watching soaps and Big Brother and X-Factor and the like.
Quote from: Father Bruno on June 28, 2017, 05:33:23 PM
Davin, I didn't realize you were bilingual, what language are your notes in?
Varying levels of English. Also depends on which hand I am writing with.
Quote from: Father Bruno on June 28, 2017, 05:33:23 PM
Davin, I didn't realize you were bilingual, what language are your notes in?
It appears to be a combination of
Vulcan,
Klingon, and
Romulan. :notsure:
Quote from: Magdalena on June 28, 2017, 08:24:57 PM
Quote from: Father Bruno on June 28, 2017, 05:33:23 PM
Davin, I didn't realize you were bilingual, what language are your notes in?
It appears to be a combination of Vulcan, Klingon, and Romulan. :notsure:
With a little Welsh thrown in!
Quote from: Gloucester on June 28, 2017, 08:31:27 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on June 28, 2017, 08:24:57 PM
Quote from: Father Bruno on June 28, 2017, 05:33:23 PM
Davin, I didn't realize you were bilingual, what language are your notes in?
It appears to be a combination of Vulcan, Klingon, and Romulan. :notsure:
With a little Welsh thrown in!
Some words might be
Na'vi. :snicker:
Whatever project I'm working on tends to fill the available space. Doesn't matter what it is, replacing a trailer axle or a valve cover job, the job takes over the yard or the shop depending on where I'm working. I have a Montezuma truck box that I was keeping in the hatch so I could stay organized and mobile. The box just doesn't suit my needs very well though and its a pain to pull tools from. So for now, its a collection of bags; one for basic hand tools, three for grinders, one for electrical... I need a bigger box that I can grab from.
A dry place to keep it would be nice too.
I was fooled: for a moment I though it was a page from the Voynich manuscript.