As there are everywhere at the moment, going to be getting a lot more this year alongside all the TV series that are coming out what is your favourite?
Mine is the first Blade film. It is a bit odd it feels like it was directed by two different people, one who wanted to hit an art house angle with carefully framed shots and contemporary underground music of the time period setting a laid back tone as day transitions into night. The other wanting a full action flick with a clear protagonist and antagonist culminating in a final battle. It stands out from all the others and set the tone for the darker comic book movies that came out almost a decade later. The way the film was shot made it feel like it was taking place in the background out of sight and was relevant to the setting.
Runner up would be Flash Gordon, it is fantastically camp and the soundtrack by Queen is amazing. We will never get a film like that again other than a bad imitation.
Honourable mention Ghost World and A History of Violence, I think these are better films than the two above but they don't fit the stereotype for the typical comic book movie.
The Dark Knight would top my list. Heath Ledger played the Joker to near perfection, I think.
The worst in my opinion would Antman, which was so mind-numbingly dull it doesn't even qualify as an OK popcorn flick.
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on March 13, 2016, 01:42:14 AM
The Dark Knight would top my list. Heath Ledger played the Joker to near perfection, I think.
Apart from Heath Ledger why would you say it is the best?
Even though I agree it was a brilliant performance by him I don't think it was a good depiction of the joker I don't think it was even slightly close but worked with the style of film and was a better showcase at what he was capable of.
Ultimately I think they ruined the story by trying to do the typical Nolan twist, we all know Harvey Dent is two face it was unneeded (Henri Ducard was Ra's al Ghul, and Miranda Tate is Talia al Ghul) but remove Rachel Dawes and Two Face and the film would be the best, no nee to add more complexity to it just do Joker vs Batman it works and that is why the series is still popular today.
I personally think it is too long, overly complex, too many villains, lacked character (except the Ledger), same plot structure of every Nolan film from Memento to Interstellar and ultimately the characters slide slightly too far away from the source material. Ledger makes that film and him alone helps disguise that it is no different than the first and third film.
I would love and I mean love to make a Batman film, I haven't read a comic in well over a decade and Batman was the one I did read (alongside Spiderman, X-Men and 2000AD) and was my favourite by far.
I didn't read any comics so I don't have that kind of reference, but most of all I liked the ambiance of the film. Also, the soundtrack wasn't bad. Even if it might not have been an accurate comic book portrayal of the Joker, Heath Ledger did great, which is the main reason why in my opinion it's the best superhero movie.
On the other side of the spectrum of Batman movies there's this atrocity:
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I think even though Nolan can be a little formulaic in his movies with the small twists, he pulls it off - unlike M. Night Shyamalan attempts, for instance.
I'm with xSilverPhinx. The Dark Knight treated its subject material with respect and a great story, IMO. Developing Harvey Dent into Two-False was important too, as it made his transition to Two-Face so much more tragic. If anything it was a shame that they chose to kill him off immediately afterward.
Lacked character? Perhaps Bruce Wayne did, and Christian Bale more or less admitted that in a recent interview. But between Two-Face, the Joker, and Gary Oldman's Commissioner Gordon, I thought it did a great job developing characters and the reasons for their actions. It was visually impressive too without heavy reliance on CGI, unlike the recent Marvel movies.
Some of the X-Men movies are up there too (X-Men 2 and First Class come to mind), but I think Nolan's treatment of the Bat will be hard to match.
I love Samurai Jack.
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Quote from: Bruno de la Pole on March 13, 2016, 08:22:54 PM
I love Samurai Jack.
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New Samurai Jack! Yesss!
Quote from: Crow on March 13, 2016, 03:03:33 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on March 13, 2016, 01:42:14 AM
The Dark Knight would top my list. Heath Ledger played the Joker to near perfection, I think.
Apart from Heath Ledger why would you say it is the best?
Even though I agree it was a brilliant performance by him I don't think it was a good depiction of the joker I don't think it was even slightly close but worked with the style of film and was a better showcase at what he was capable of.
+12 on this one... Ledger's character was impressive, but he was no Joker. I'll take Mark Hamill's over his any day. Even Jack Nicholson's was better... or Caesar Romero (for the campy version, that is).
Similarly, for Batman, I'll take Kevin Conroy, with Michael Keaton as a backup... and of course Adam West for the king of camp.
Back on topic - fave super hero movie? Hmmm... Tough choice. I'm gonna go with "Watchmen" (even with the changes).
Do graphic novels count? 300 was visually stunning.
Quote from: joeactor on March 14, 2016, 12:44:29 AM
+12 on this one... Ledger's character was impressive, but he was no Joker. I'll take Mark Hamill's over his any day. Even Jack Nicholson's was better... or Caesar Romero (for the campy version, that is).
Similarly, for Batman, I'll take Kevin Conroy, with Michael Keaton as a backup... and of course Adam West for the king of camp.
Back on topic - fave super hero movie? Hmmm... Tough choice. I'm gonna go with "Watchmen" (even with the changes).
Interesting. Why would you say Ledger was "no Joker?" He definitely had a darker take on it, but the reason behind his madness (chaos vs. order) fit in with what I've seen in the comics.
As for Watchmen...yes, well done, but not very imaginative, since it was almost frame-by-frame the comic book (with some additional Nixon thrown in). I did think the change away from the invading monster was an improvement, though.
Quote from: Firebird on March 14, 2016, 03:07:22 PM
Quote from: joeactor on March 14, 2016, 12:44:29 AM
+12 on this one... Ledger's character was impressive, but he was no Joker. I'll take Mark Hamill's over his any day. Even Jack Nicholson's was better... or Caesar Romero (for the campy version, that is).
Similarly, for Batman, I'll take Kevin Conroy, with Michael Keaton as a backup... and of course Adam West for the king of camp.
Back on topic - fave super hero movie? Hmmm... Tough choice. I'm gonna go with "Watchmen" (even with the changes).
Interesting. Why would you say Ledger was "no Joker?" He definitely had a darker take on it, but the reason behind his madness (chaos vs. order) fit in with what I've seen in the comics.
As for Watchmen...yes, well done, but not very imaginative, since it was almost frame-by-frame the comic book (with some additional Nixon thrown in). I did think the change away from the invading monster was an improvement, though.
Agreed on Watchmen, esp. the ending.
For Joker, I thought Ledger went way too far and completely missed the mark. He was just psychotic with none of the subtleties, humor and intelligent playful banter needed to embody "The Joker"... Again, an excellent character - just not the joker. Plenty of folks liked him in that role, but I'm not among them.
Oh, and "Batman and Robin"... (shudder) - damn, that was terrible!
Interesting connection (hopefully the only connection) between "Batman and Robin" and "Watchman"
Check out this music video from a song on the Batman and Robin sountrack:
Then check out this trailer from Watchmen:
Sound familiar?
Quote from: Firebird on March 14, 2016, 04:44:08 PM
Interesting connection (hopefully the only connection) between "Batman and Robin" and "Watchman"
...
Sound familiar?
Weird find...
I really enjoyed Captain America: Winter Soldier. I usually don't buy films out of sequence but I did with that one. X2 was pretty damn good, too.
-Nam
I never found Mark Hamil or *shudders* Jack Nicholson's joker to be suitable for the big screen. Sure, Hamil was great for the animated series but seeing that character on the screen wouldn't have interested me very much. In a film, the villain needs to be someone you wouldn't want to cross paths with in an alley. I don't like Jack Nicholson in general. Just always thought he was overrated. Bruce Dern could've played the part much better in the Michael Keaton film. Bruce could be frightening when he needed to be, had just about the right voice for it, and was still clever enough to pull off the weirdness believably. Check him out in Thumb Tripping if you don't believe me.
Quote from: jumbojak on March 15, 2016, 04:25:25 AM
I never found Mark Hamil or *shudders* Jack Nicholson's joker to be suitable for the big screen. Sure, Hamil was great for the animated series but seeing that character on the screen wouldn't have interested me very much. In a film, the villain needs to be someone you wouldn't want to cross paths with in an alley. I don't like Jack Nicholson in general. Just always thought he was overrated. Bruce Dern could've played the part much better in the Michael Keaton film. Bruce could be frightening when he needed to be, had just about the right voice for it, and was still clever enough to pull off the weirdness believably. Check him out in Thumb Tripping if you don't believe me.
Mark Hamil is perfect in the animated and Arkham stuff, agree with the live action stuff. Jack Nicholson was essentially just Jack Nicholson with latex and make-up on.
If I was going to cast the Joker top of my list to check out would be the actor Richard Sammel, he can do psychopathic very well but whether he could do the absurd side would be a question mark.
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There there Mags one day you will graduate from gifs to adverts, baby steps. You might even get to shorts or perhaps even tv programs, films might be a bit too far though.
I missed you too, Crow. :hug:
Not a movie, but the Daredevil series on Netflix is the best thing that Marvel has done so far. I'm really excited for season 2.
Quote from: Magdalena on March 15, 2016, 01:02:02 PM
I missed you too, Crow. :hug:
I think you should apply to become a buzzfeed "journalist". You would get to browse gifs all day and write articles pretty much entirely in gif form whilst getting paid to do it.
Quote from: jumbojak on March 15, 2016, 04:25:25 AM
I never found Mark Hamil or *shudders* Jack Nicholson's joker to be suitable for the big screen. Sure, Hamil was great for the animated series but seeing that character on the screen wouldn't have interested me very much. In a film, the villain needs to be someone you wouldn't want to cross paths with in an alley. I don't like Jack Nicholson in general. Just always thought he was overrated. Bruce Dern could've played the part much better in the Michael Keaton film. Bruce could be frightening when he needed to be, had just about the right voice for it, and was still clever enough to pull off the weirdness believably. Check him out in Thumb Tripping if you don't believe me.
I can definitely see Dern in that role - he'd be an excellent choice...
Quote from: Budhorse4 on March 15, 2016, 01:21:53 PM
Not a movie, but the Daredevil series on Netflix is the best thing that Marvel has done so far. I'm really excited for season 2.
Liked Daredevil too, but I thought Jessica Jones was more interesting in many ways. Also seemed odd to continue referring to Hell's Kitchen as a downtrodden area considering how much that neighborhood has transformed in real life.
Quote from: Crow on March 15, 2016, 01:27:34 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on March 15, 2016, 01:02:02 PM
I missed you too, Crow. :hug:
I think you should apply to become a buzzfeed "journalist". You would get to browse gifs all day and write articles pretty much entirely in gif form whilst getting paid to do it.
OK, but I just came here to say that I like
Spiderman and that I've missed you, that's all. :sadcheer:
I like gifs, but I don't think I like them
that much. A lot of people use them around here, but I'm the only one who's called an addict. >:(
--That's fine. Just...just...ban me again. :fingertap:
Quote from: Firebird on March 15, 2016, 02:19:04 PM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on March 15, 2016, 01:21:53 PM
Not a movie, but the Daredevil series on Netflix is the best thing that Marvel has done so far. I'm really excited for season 2.
Liked Daredevil too, but I thought Jessica Jones was more interesting in many ways. Also seemed odd to continue referring to Hell's Kitchen as a downtrodden area considering how much that neighborhood has transformed in real life.
Yeah I read online that they touched on that issue by saying that Hell's Kitchen was most affected by the alien invasion and that's why it is so run down.
Quote from: joeactor on March 15, 2016, 02:00:59 PMI can definitely see Dern in that role - he'd be an excellent choice...
Think about it, with the right script he could boast having killed both John Wayne AND Bruce Wayne. I should be in the movie business. Been working on a script since I was fourteen... skits are added on an almost weekly basis.
Quote from: Budhorse4 on March 15, 2016, 01:21:53 PM
Not a movie, but the Daredevil series on Netflix is the best thing that Marvel has done so far. I'm really excited for season 2.
Finally finished watching the second season. Much better than the first, not that I thought the first was bad the character Daredevil never really appealed to me, the whole catholic guilt thing never did it for me.
The Punisher is the best thing about the second season, another character I never really cared for but I could have easily have watched a season about that character and hope they do create one.
Quote from: Crow on March 24, 2016, 08:35:25 PM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on March 15, 2016, 01:21:53 PM
Not a movie, but the Daredevil series on Netflix is the best thing that Marvel has done so far. I'm really excited for season 2.
Finally finished watching the second season. Much better than the first, not that I thought the first was bad the character Daredevil never really appealed to me, the whole catholic guilt thing never did it for me.
The Punisher is the best thing about the second season, another character I never really cared for but I could have easily have watched a season about that character and hope they do create one.
I still have three episodes to go before I finish. Overall I think it's a pretty solid season. I hated the whole Matt/Karen thing though. I thought that it came out of nowhere seeing as Foggy was trying to get with her all last season. Plus they had no chemistry together and it was just boring.
Course, if anyone should get together it should be Matt and Foggy. They just have the best bromance.
Went to watch the Batman vs Superman film. There is clearly potential in it but it quite frankly is a poor film. It appeared to be going for a sombre tone like Dark Knight Returns (not the movie) but felt stale, none of the characters actually felt developed and the schemes of lex luthor to get the fight he wanted was a bit dumb and having him as a bit of an odd ball made no sense. The action sequences were good and would have actually liked to see more of that Batman, it was certainly more in keeping with the version I grew up with as a kid. They tried to do the whole impact that the superheros have on the people that get caught in the cross fire but I thought it was very poorly done, same with the dream sequences, yeah they happen a lot in the graphic novels but they usually add something. The pacing was all over the place and the last bit was stupid.
Quote from: Crow on April 22, 2016, 12:09:17 PM
Went to watch the Batman vs Superman film. There is clearly potential in it but it quite frankly is a poor film. It appeared to be going for a sombre tone like Dark Knight Returns (not the movie) but felt stale, none of the characters actually felt developed and the schemes of lex luthor to get the fight he wanted was a bit dumb and having him as a bit of an odd ball made no sense. The action sequences were good and would have actually liked to see more of that Batman, it was certainly more in keeping with the version I grew up with as a kid. They tried to do the whole impact that the superheros have on the people that get caught in the cross fire but I thought it was very poorly done, same with the dream sequences, yeah they happen a lot in the graphic novels but they usually add something. The pacing was all over the place and the last bit was stupid.
I haven't seen it but a mate at work went and said it was crap and people were leaving during the show.
Quote from: Crow on April 22, 2016, 12:09:17 PM
They tried to do the whole impact that the superheros have on the people that get caught in the cross fire but I thought it was very poorly done, same with the dream sequences, yeah they happen a lot in the graphic novels but they usually add something. The pacing was all over the place and the last bit was stupid.
This. Casting Ben Affleck worried me, but some of the previews made me hopeful that they would still manage to make a quality movie. And I liked Man of Steel too. But there was no depth to the characters, the story was pointless, and Jesse Eisenberg was completely miscast.
I didn't love the fight scenes either. Just too much CGI and quick cuts, and the amount of destruction was just so over the top. Always had this issue with Snyder, and it also bugs me when some comic issues do this (see The Dark Knight Strikes Again, for example).
I've been a huge fan of how the Daredevil series does this, wider pan shots that show what's going on much more clearly. There was a single-shot sequence during the first season that totally blew me away.
Quote from: Firebird on April 22, 2016, 01:59:59 PM
This. Casting Ben Affleck worried me, but some of the previews made me hopeful that they would still manage to make a quality movie. And I liked Man of Steel too. But there was no depth to the characters, the story was pointless, and Jesse Eisenberg was completely miscast.
I didn't love the fight scenes either. Just too much CGI and quick cuts, and the amount of destruction was just so over the top. Always had this issue with Snyder, and it also bugs me when some comic issues do this (see The Dark Knight Strikes Again, for example).
I've been a huge fan of how the Daredevil series does this, wider pan shots that show what's going on much more clearly. There was a single-shot sequence during the first season that totally blew me away.
In terms of the Batman and Superman characters the actors a fine with me, Affleck plays the slower more considered but far more violent version from the 90's which I would take over Bale every day. And the actor that plays Superman fits the roll well.
All the references in the film were good, almost too many as pretty much every shot had a ridiculous amount of references. Under everything the base is much better than most of the comic book films that have come before. My biggest problem was the story and that it really felt like the first 3 episodes to a series, or the prologue for the Justice League films but didn't really do anything, the writing was poor and pacing was totally crap. Doomsday wasn't necessary, nor was Lex Luthor as a protagonist. Snyder seems to get the comic book stuff well but at the expense of making an entertaining film and trying to do too much in 130mins.
One of the problems with Hollywood films and melee combat is the actors don't know how to fight and don't know how to fight to choreography, certainly not with sparing strength and impacts, that is why you get quick cuts so it doesn't look like play fighting. Daredevil is actually quite decent (the stairway scene specifically) but I like having a giggle at some of the scenes (anything acrobatics) as they look like kids play wrestling. But when it comes to characters such as Superman and Wonder Woman who could wipe out a city/state in a few mins they have to go for destruction. I like that they showed civilians dying in the quick cuts as they are both utter hypocrites, take the Avenger films fuck loads of people are dying in them but they never show it, I just feel they didn't go far enough with it especially as that was a motive for them to fight. So much potential lost.