I hope there are other Downton Abbey fans, so somebody at least knows what I'm talking about. What's the big deal about calling the former Mrs. Hughes, Mrs. Carson? It's not like saying "Mrs. Carson" and "Carson" is going to confuse anyone.
It highlights how difficult it was for them to break with tradition. Even the servants had a hard time seeing themselves in a new way.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on January 25, 2016, 01:02:41 PM
It highlights how difficult it was for them to break with tradition. Even the servants had a hard time seeing themselves in a new way.
It was traditional for servants not to marry? And I thought their lives were hard before . . .
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on January 25, 2016, 11:57:32 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on January 25, 2016, 01:02:41 PM
It highlights how difficult it was for them to break with tradition. Even the servants had a hard time seeing themselves in a new way.
It was traditional for servants not to marry? And I thought their lives were hard before . . .
Servants married, but Carson was an old bachelor and Mrs. Hughes had been there a long time. It was difficult for others to accept the change. These are just my thoughts - I'm not a Brit.
This question is regarding The Great British Baking Show's move from BBC to channel 4, which caused both presenters and one judge to leave the show -- what the heck is wrong with channel 4?
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on September 23, 2016, 05:34:45 AM
This question is regarding The Great British Baking Show's move from BBC to channel 4, which caused both presenters and one judge to leave the show -- what the heck is wrong with channel 4?
C4 isn't the BBC. It's a simple as that. It has adverts.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on January 25, 2016, 01:02:41 PM
It highlights how difficult it was for them to break with tradition. Even the servants had a hard time seeing themselves in a new way.
IIRC at one point servants needed to either get their employef's permission to marry or find another job.
This even applied to other jobs, especially in banking. The woman needed to get her boss's permission if she wanted to remain in work.
Quote from: Tank on September 23, 2016, 06:44:32 AM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on September 23, 2016, 05:34:45 AM
This question is regarding The Great British Baking Show's move from BBC to channel 4, which caused both presenters and one judge to leave the show -- what the heck is wrong with channel 4?
C4 isn't the BBC. It's a simple as that. It has adverts.
So it's basically a low rent channel they wouldn't be caught dead on?
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on September 23, 2016, 11:42:14 AM
Quote from: Tank on September 23, 2016, 06:44:32 AM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on September 23, 2016, 05:34:45 AM
This question is regarding The Great British Baking Show's move from BBC to channel 4, which caused both presenters and one judge to leave the show -- what the heck is wrong with channel 4?
C4 isn't the BBC. It's a simple as that. It has adverts.
So it's basically a low rent channel they wouldn't be caught dead on?
For some, over here, adverts are just breaks to make the tea or go to the loo. Otherwise they just get in the way of the programmes.
Channel Four gets some public money and used to do some good science and archaeology progs. Dunno about now, I have not watched any TV for 12 years, unless I was at another's house.
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on September 23, 2016, 11:42:14 AM
Quote from: Tank on September 23, 2016, 06:44:32 AM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on September 23, 2016, 05:34:45 AM
This question is regarding The Great British Baking Show's move from BBC to channel 4, which caused both presenters and one judge to leave the show -- what the heck is wrong with channel 4?
C4 isn't the BBC. It's a simple as that. It has adverts.
So it's basically a low rent channel they wouldn't be caught dead on?
It's very difficult to explain. TGBBO is one of the most popular TV programs in the UK. It's become 'abitofaninstitution' so any company that tried to steal it would be perceived pretty much like a baby snatcher!
So channel 4 lured the show away from BBC with promises of more stuff (I imagine money) for the producers, who didn't ask the on-air talent for their opinion before saying yes?
I'm sorry to see Mary, Sue and Mel go but I think (I hope) the show can survive a personnel change. I read somewhere that Jamie Oliver has already thrown his hat in the ring as a new judge.
Quote from: Tank on September 23, 2016, 06:44:32 AMC4 isn't the BBC. It's a simple as that. It has adverts.
The BBC has its moments and C4 even has a few good programs on it ("Gotham", "Agents of Shield" etc.) but broadly speaking yes, C4 has adverts and is shyte!
Keke
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on September 23, 2016, 08:19:44 PMSo channel 4 lured the show away from BBC with promises of more stuff (I imagine money) for the producers, who didn't ask the on-air talent for their opinion before saying yes?
Pretty much. Bet they're regretting it now.
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on September 23, 2016, 08:19:44 PMI'm sorry to see Mary, Sue and Mel go but I think (I hope) the show can survive a personnel change. I read somewhere that Jamie Oliver has already thrown his hat in the ring as a new judge.
Apparently the Oliver rumour is just that and no, I think this sounds the death knell for the show in it's current format ... Mary Berry is apparently going to lead a new BBC Bake Off show which I am absolutely sure is the one my family would watch since they have been rather caustic about the C4 news. I don't watch any of them ... I regard them all as disposable reality television and, thus, inherently crap.
Keke
Quote from: Tank on September 23, 2016, 06:44:32 AM
C4 isn't the BBC. It's a simple as that. It has adverts.
And commercial TV started in the UK when I was11 yoa, in 1955, so it is still "something new" for many adults. There was not even commercial radio at the time.
Do y'all seriously not have pumpkins? I'm a dog forum (background - plain canned pumpkin is a common remedy for mild stool problems) and a user is claiming to be in the U.K. and completely unable to access canned pumpkin because it is not sold anywhere in the U.K.
Quote from: Pasta Chick on November 09, 2016, 10:30:28 AM
Do y'all seriously not have pumpkins? I'm a dog forum (background - plain canned pumpkin is a common remedy for mild stool problems) and a user is claiming to be in the U.K. and completely unable to access canned pumpkin because it is not sold anywhere in the U.K.
We just do not have the tradition here, we have pumpkins iimported because someone introduced the carved out Halloween thing. Even Halloween is an import from America in its current form.
But, it seems, we can get the tinned stuff from Tesco and other suppliers. However, if we are talking pies I will go for steak and ale followed by apple and blackberry please.
Yeah... I know the custom around them is different, but pumpkins being squashes and squashes being pretty common ingredients - especially canned for baking - i find the concept of there simply being none an exaggeration at best. Unless there's a supply issue; We've had pumpkin shortages in the past.
Quote from: Pasta Chick on November 09, 2016, 11:23:56 AM
Yeah... I know the custom around them is different, but pumpkins being squashes and squashes being pretty common ingredients - especially canned for baking - i find the concept of there simply being none an exaggeration at best. Unless there's a supply issue; We've had pumpkin shortages in the past.
I don't think it is that simple, more historical. Corn and pumpkins figured early in the settlement of Europeans in America, C1620 on and probably, with "Indian" corn, formed an important part of the early diet. Sweetcorn did not appear much in this country until American troops in WW2, no idea when pumpkins arrived as decorations for Halloween, but I can remember helping carve my first one about age 12, so 1956 ish, when my best friend was a green grocer's son. IIRC we threw the carved out flesh away.
So, with 400 years of pumpkin, and other squash, noshing they are common place to you but still a little "exotic" as a food here. Sweetcorn, on the other hand is a firm favourite since it grows here without needing glass houses.
Food traditions change slowly I think, Brits hardly ate out in resturants before the "Bernie Inn" chain started in the 1960s. Yes, there were cafes and even Wimpy "hamburger" places but little open after 6pm in most towns. Now, there are resturants and gastropubs on almost every corner and serving every cuisine from Japanese to American (except few French ahd German, none in Gloucester).
Quote from: Pasta Chick on November 09, 2016, 10:30:28 AM
Do y'all seriously not have pumpkins? I'm a dog forum (background - plain canned pumpkin is a common remedy for mild stool problems) and a user is claiming to be in the U.K. and completely unable to access canned pumpkin because it is not sold anywhere in the U.K.
I'll take
Gloucester's word for it that you can find tinned pumpkin at Tesco, but the place I found it in the UK was Waitrose.
Quote from: Pasta Chick on November 09, 2016, 10:30:28 AM
Do y'all seriously not have pumpkins? I'm a dog forum (background - plain canned pumpkin is a common remedy for mild stool problems) and a user is claiming to be in the U.K. and completely unable to access canned pumpkin because it is not sold anywhere in the U.K.
Never seen canned pumpkin in the UK. 98% of pumpkins grown in the UK are sold at Halloween. Pumpkins and squashes in general are not as popular as they are in the USA.
Quote from: Gloucester on September 24, 2016, 09:54:49 AM
Quote from: Tank on September 23, 2016, 06:44:32 AM
C4 isn't the BBC. It's a simple as that. It has adverts.
And commercial TV started in the UK when I was11 yoa, in 1955, so it is still "something new" for many adults. There was not even commercial radio at the time.
Didn't become a thing in Norway until 1992.
Quote from: Tank on November 09, 2016, 08:48:41 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on November 09, 2016, 10:30:28 AM
Do y'all seriously not have pumpkins? I'm a dog forum (background - plain canned pumpkin is a common remedy for mild stool problems) and a user is claiming to be in the U.K. and completely unable to access canned pumpkin because it is not sold anywhere in the U.K.
Never seen canned pumpkin in the UK. 98% of pumpkins grown in the UK are sold at Halloween. Pumpkins and squashes in general are not as popular as they are in the USA.
Ah, did not realise that pumpkins are grown commercially in the UK! Lots do seem to be imported as well by the labels.
Still, like other things that have migrated from America, I am sure they will become more popular.
Oh, except that more people seem to be buying ready prepared food ad coming to some reports. I know that I do these days . . .
I think the most common use of tinned pumpkin (imported from the US) in the UK is for pumpkin soup. However, I've made pumpkin pie for my UK friends several times using my own recipe (more highly spiced than the standard American version) and it is well received, even requested.
In France, we saw many fields of small food pumpkins (as opposed to the large carving pumpkins) and I assume they're used there mostly for soup as well.