Google's AdSense sometimes makes some pretty stupid decisions (because it just finds keywords on pages and tries to match that with its ads). This leads to thinks like
http://www.churchfriends.com (http://www.churchfriends.com)
being advertised at a forum for Atheism (this one). The website is a Christian dating site. So, since I have a few days off and it's a boring Friday morning, my curiosity got the best of me and I clicked on the ad to check it out.
Some of these people's situations are sad. Not because they have been dealt a bad hand, but because they have made their lives lonelier than they need to be. Here's a post by one of their users:
QuoteI was raised to believe sex out side marriage -and divorce -and adultry doing drugs was wrong and smoking was bad - and you should never do wrong or bad things , so i have never done these things - but I may be alone and unloved for the rest of my life, because I can not find any woman that hasnt had children or sex out side marriage and have done drugs or been divorced - where are all the good woman - is my only choice for a life is to marry a bad woman - and feel unconfortable for the rest of my life ,-so for me sex out side marriage is wrong - every time you have sex you make intermate close conections which never leave you - so you can never totaly love the person your with unless the last person youloved is dead - and even then you will miss in some way the last person you loved - i believe - so ,sex out side marriage is totally wrong - so now I miss love and wish love and wish that i was dead - because i cant find a good woman to love - God willing he will grant me love soon before i get to old and or die - every one needs love and contact with others god hurts those who love and follow him the most -why is god evil to those that love and follow him ??? answer me that batman -said the riddler ????
Grammar problems aside, it is quite obvious that this person is confused, lonely, and has swallowed their religious dogma hook, line, and sinker.
This man is 42 and he is looking for someone (presumably close to his age) that meets these criteria:
-virgin
-has never smoked a single cigarette
-has never done a single drug
-is a Catholic, or at least a Christian (I'm assuming, based on this post and others he has made)
His search is most likely not going to be fruitful. This level of 'pickiness' basically rules out everyone (everyone's made a mistake right?).
Quoteadultry doing drugs was wrong and smoking was bad - and you should never do wrong or bad things
He is deluded by his wish of a perfect companion, someone who has "never done wrong or bad things".
Quotewhere are all the good woman
They are probably all around him if only he were to adjust his standards a bit. Good does not equal perfect. If he wants perfect, he chose the wrong universe to exist in.
Quoteevery time you have sex you make intermate close conections which never leave you - so you can never totaly love the person your with unless the last person youloved is dead - and even then you will miss in some way the last person you loved
This sounds exactly like the Teen Aid abstinence-only sex education that I received in highschool. If you have sex with someone, you can never love the next person with your whole heart. His mind has been poisoned by people he trusted. Now he's 42 and has a distorted sense of reality.
So Christians, which is it? You can't equate sex to love and in the same breath turn one hundred and eighty degrees and say there is a huge difference between sex and love. It's one or the other. You can't have it both ways.
QuoteGod willing he will grant me love soon before i get to old and or die - every one needs love and contact with others god hurts those who love and follow him the most -why is god evil to those that love and follow him ??? answer me that batman -said the riddler ????
This man is contemplating his mortality and his feeling of being let down by his (perceived) creator. This is the prime non-war example of when religion really hurts. If this man found out that his god was imaginary, he could significantly improve his quality of life. He could see the women around him as people. People with faults and strengths, not just the former.
Since when does clicking on ads out of boredom result in a rant this long?
Quote from: "Jassman"This man is 42 and he is looking for someone (presumably close to his age) that meets these criteria:
-virgin
-has never smoked a single cigarette
-has never done a single drug
-is a Catholic, or at least a Christian (I'm assuming, based on this post and others he has made) .
I met his criteria when I was 13. :lol:
(I tried smoking at 14; luckily that didn’t take.)
I feel sorry for that guy, even if he finds someone who meets his criteria that person may not be compatible with his personality.
Quote from: "Jassman"Quoteevery time you have sex you make intermate close conections which never leave you - so you can never totaly love the person your with unless the last person youloved is dead - and even then you will miss in some way the last person you loved
This sounds exactly like the Teen Aid abstinence-only sex education that I received in highschool. If you have sex with someone, you can never love the next person with your whole heart. His mind has been poisoned by people he trusted. Now he's 42 and has a distorted sense of reality.
So Christians, which is it? You can't equate sex to love and in the same breath turn one hundred and eighty degrees and say there is a huge difference between sex and love. It's one or the other. You can't have it both ways.
QuoteIt sounds like the same crap I got fed as well. I soon realized that sex and love are not the same thing, but they sure are better together. You can have love without sex and sex without love, but everything sort of clicks when you have both. 
Have you seen the Penn & Teller episode of Bullshit on abstinence? It's hilarious and points out the massive problems with abstinence-based sex ed; I just watched it the other day with my boyfriend. I'm going to try and go find it...
Yeah, the Bullshit! episode is great. Every Bullshit! episode is, though.
Well, for those who haven't seen it: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... r+bullshit (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8503508975371819705&q=penn+teller+bullshit)
Quote from: "Jassman"Yeah, the Bullshit! episode is great. Every Bullshit! episode is, though.
I've only seen a few, but I agree.
I find it hilarious. I grew up in South Texas yet I received better sex-ed than you guys in MIddle School.
Irony is such a bitch.
Great vid. I pity the teens that have been subjected to all of the abstinence hype, rather that receiving a broad-based sex education.
On the other hand, when I was a teen, there was no education whatsoever. It was the sixties though, so we figured it out...
I don't think sex is the same thing as love at all. I think people make the mistake initally (when attracted to someone, for example) that their feelings of sexual attraction equate to love, only to find out later (usually with regret), that this is not the case at all.
Love is a totally different thing from sex. Love is something we should practice towards all people, whereas sex, ideally, should be part of a committed, loving relationship. You may disagree with me, but how many people have stated that they are in love with someone, when it's only a sexual relationship, only to go off the person and dump them later.
Seems that after all, this 'love' that they had for the person was not love at all, but lust (or sex). Sex does not satisfy in the end, if it's a purely physical thing.
Love never ends.
Quote from: "onlyme"Love never ends.
That is the most naive thing I've ever heard. Who, above the age of 14, actually believes that?
Quote from: "onlyme"I don't think sex is the same thing as love at all. I think people make the mistake initally (when attracted to someone, for example) that their feelings of sexual attraction equate to love, only to find out later (usually with regret), that this is not the case at all.
Love is a totally different thing from sex. Love is something we should practice towards all people, whereas sex, ideally, should be part of a committed, loving relationship. You may disagree with me, but how many people have stated that they are in love with someone, when it's only a sexual relationship, only to go off the person and dump them later.
Seems that after all, this 'love' that they had for the person was not love at all, but lust (or sex). Sex does not satisfy in the end, if it's a purely physical thing.
Okay, I agree that this does happen. And often, especially at my age. However, I have discovered that real love, without sex, only hinders a relationship. It just creates too much, completely uneccessary stress and tension.
So, I think people just need to have better judgement. Or learn from their mistakes with "purely physical" relationships. It's much easier to identify a relationship based solely on lust once you've experienced it.
It is very possible to love someone then grow out of love. People change as they age and sometimes a couple finds themselves changing as individuals; going along separate paths. Sometimes these differences can be reconciled and the couple will fall in love again, other times they simply have grown too far apart.
People simply change...you can love the person they use to be yet not love who they have become. This happens with friendships all the time, yet people have a hard time accepting that it can happen with family and spouses.
When I said that love never ends, I was talking about real love. The caring love that people should have for all people.....to quote the bible...."love does no harm to one's neighbour"
This kind of love should also apply to one's spouse.
Love never ends
Oh man, my eyes are watering up, must be all the salsa I'm eating right now. Love is a man-made concept that serves its purpose as long as you don't try to fit it into things it doesn't belong. Last time I did that, I had a stint in jail.
Quote from: "onlyme"When I said that love never ends, I was talking about real love. The caring love that people should have for all people.....to quote the bible...."love does no harm to one's neighbour"
This kind of love should also apply to one's spouse.
Love never ends
What you are describing is agape love...not the type most would typically associate with a spouse.
You're right, there, laetus, except that I think that this kind of love should ALSO apply to a spouse, as well as the population at large, whereas sexual attraction should be limited to a spouse.
I think Court got the wrong end of the stick, and misunderstood me, since she said 'who is naive enough to believe that anymore?'
Sexual attraction should be limited, in order not to harm society, but (agape) love should be extended to all - including the spouse.
If it's true love
(True love)....
Love never ends
Quote from: "onlyme"Sexual attraction should be limited, in order not to harm society, but (agape) love should be extended to all - including the spouse.
How exactly do you limit attraction? Must be some weird xian thing.
Limiting response to sexual attraction I can understand, but limiting something as basic as attraction? And how the hell does sexual attraction "harm" society? Without sexual attraction, there wouldn't be a society to harm.
As for agape love, I don't use the term. It has too much xian baggage attached to it. So I guess that the next best thing would be unconditional love, which I don't believe in either. There are always strings...always.
MikeyV wrote : how does sexual attraction harm society?
I think there is a LOT of sexual attraction that harms society, and therefore it must be kept in check. Just look at the infidelity and child molestation statistics to see my point.
And regarding uncondition love...there are always strings....?
I don't agree, I think there are 'perceived' strings, such as smacking a child, which is seen at the time as not being 'love', but which, from a mature point of view, DOES indeed represent unconditional love. This is a subject that needs to be elaborated upon, though, I agree.
Also, from a Christian point of view, this practice of saying Xtian instead of Christian, or Xmas instead of Christmas, I find personally offensive, as I'm sure a lot of Christians do, since they are 'crossing Christ out of Christmas', etc. Please desist, if you will, as it's just laziness on your part.
This is just a request, but it will show, in my opinion, whether or not you are willing to be fair in your description and conduct on this forum (Bigmac is excepted here, coz he is a 'loose cannon', which I like, and find very stimulating)
Do you understand that, peeps?
Ok, this is probably not the right section to ask this question. I don't know any better, OK? But regarding this 'poll' listed on the right hand side of my homepage:
Who is John Stewart? Who is Steven Colbert?
Ok, I'm out of touch, ok? Give me a break...I'm still learning...
So...who is John Stewart and Steven Colbert?
Quote from: "onlyme"Ok, this is probably not the right section to ask this question. I don't know any better, OK? But regarding this 'poll' listed on the right hand side of my homepage:
Who is John Stewart? Who is Steven Colbert?
Ok, I'm out of touch, ok? Give me a break...I'm still learning...
So...who is John Stewart and Steven Colbert?
Alright, that's it. I'm starting a new thread just for you, onlyme:
Onlyme's Random Questions (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/ftopic143.html)
No rudeness meant, I promise.
Quote from: "onlyme"MikeyV wrote : how does sexual attraction harm society?
I think there is a LOT of sexual attraction that harms society, and therefore it must be kept in check. Just look at the infidelity and child molestation statistics to see my point.
Yeah, but how do you stop it? Can
you personally stop yourself from being sexually attracted to someone?
Quote from: "onlyme"And regarding uncondition love...there are always strings....?
I don't agree, I think there are 'perceived' strings, such as smacking a child, which is seen at the time as not being 'love', but which, from a mature point of view, DOES indeed represent unconditional love. This is a subject that needs to be elaborated upon, though, I agree.
Well, that's cute and naive of you. If that child were to grow up to be a rapist, I doubt his mother would support him. On the contrary, she'd probably be disgusted.
My mother's family, while they didn't "stop loving her" (or so they claimed), did kick her out of the house and take her off their medical insurance when she decided not to give me up for adoption at 19. Pretty shitty of them, since having a baby without medical insurance is dangerous...And I'll bet $10 they didn't love her less than any other parents love their kids. They were just caught up in their religious bullshit.
As Mikey said, there are always strings.
Quote from: "onlyme"Also, from a Christian point of view, this practice of saying Xtian instead of Christian, or Xmas instead of Christmas, I find personally offensive, as I'm sure a lot of Christians do, since they are 'crossing Christ out of Christmas', etc. Please desist, if you will, as it's just laziness on your part.
Laziness to use terminology that has been extant for quite some time?
Who, exactly, do you think came up with that abbreviation? That would be christians.
Here is some knowledge for you...
QuoteWhat does 'xian' mean?
"What does the abbreviation 'xian' mean? Is it an insult?"
When writing the name "Christ", it is quite common to abbreviate it to X or x, representing the first letter (chi) of the Greek XPICTOC khristos. For example, "xmas" is a common abbreviation of "Christmas". "Xian" just means "Christian".
According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the use of the abbreviation "xian" or "xtian" for "Christian" dates back at least as far as 1634. Before that, it was more usual to take the first two letters of XPICTOC, and write "xpian" for "Christian". Priests would record Christenings using the shorthand "xpen" or "xpn".
If you find it insulting, that's your hangup, not mine.
QuoteThis is just a request
Request denied. Carry on.
Quote(Bigmac is excepted here, coz he is a 'loose cannon', which I like, and find very stimulating)
So, if I become a "loose cannon", I can be a dick and you won't be offended?
QuoteDo you understand that, peeps?
Well, no, not really. I mean, if you're ashamed of the common abbreviation for your saviour....
Besides, you haven't seen me become insulting yet. So, untie your panties and take a deep breath.
Quote from: "onlyme"I don't agree, I think there are 'perceived' strings, such as smacking a child, which is seen at the time as not being 'love', but which, from a mature point of view, DOES indeed represent unconditional love.
Wait a minute. Did he just say that corporal punishment represents unconditional love?
Quote from: "MommaSquid"Quote from: "onlyme"I don't agree, I think there are 'perceived' strings, such as smacking a child, which is seen at the time as not being 'love', but which, from a mature point of view, DOES indeed represent unconditional love.
Wait a minute. Did he just say that corporal punishment represents unconditional love?
I think so....I disagree, there is no reason to have to smack a child if they are raised properly.
Quote from: "onlyme"I think there is a LOT of sexual attraction that harms society, and therefore it must be kept in check. Just look at the infidelity and child molestation statistics to see my point.
And you have once again missed the point. Sexual attraction is an involuntary response. It is not, in and of itself, a bad or good thing. It just is. Now, how one acts on a sexual attraction can be bad, good, or neutral.
Whether you like to admit it or not, you are a sexual being. It's hardwired, and there's no getting around it. It's part of species propogation. Males are looking at breast and hip size for good childbearers, while women are looking for strong virile males who are upwardly mobile to care for their young. Trying to control the attraction is like trying to control sneezes, or blinking, or breathing.
QuoteAnd regarding uncondition love...there are always strings....?
Yes, always. Show me an example of real world
unconditional love.
QuoteI don't agree, I think there are 'perceived' strings, such as smacking a child, which is seen at the time as not being 'love', but which, from a mature point of view, DOES indeed represent unconditional love. This is a subject that needs to be elaborated upon, though, I agree.
Yeah, that's not really an example of any sort of unconditional love. That's just an example of your responsibility to teach your progeny that certain acts have painful consequences.
Quote from: "laetusatheos"Quote from: "MommaSquid"Quote from: "onlyme"I don't agree, I think there are 'perceived' strings, such as smacking a child, which is seen at the time as not being 'love', but which, from a mature point of view, DOES indeed represent unconditional love.
Wait a minute. Did he just say that corporal punishment represents unconditional love?
I think so....I disagree, there is no reason to have to smack a child if they are raised properly.
Which is why I'm never having children. :lol:
Spanking discussion split to:
http://www.happyatheistforum.com/ftopic149.html (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/ftopic149.html)
(I screwed up a little while splitting so a post from onlyme and one of mine got lost in the process...sorry)
Quote from: "laetusatheos"Spanking discussion split to:
http://www.happyatheistforum.com/ftopic149.html (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/ftopic149.html)
(I screwed up a little while splitting so a post from onlyme and one of mine got lost in the process...sorry)
Plus a couple of mine were lost! Sorry if they were offensive to you. Geez, I was just kidding about Tasering kids!
Quote from: "McQ"Quote from: "laetusatheos"Spanking discussion split to:
http://www.happyatheistforum.com/ftopic149.html (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/ftopic149.html)
(I screwed up a little while splitting so a post from onlyme and one of mine got lost in the process...sorry)
Plus a couple of mine were lost! Sorry if they were offensive to you. Geez, I was just kidding about Tasering kids!

(they are there....just in the other thread)
Quote from: "laetusatheos"Quote from: "McQ"Quote from: "laetusatheos"Spanking discussion split to:
http://www.happyatheistforum.com/ftopic149.html (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/ftopic149.html)
(I screwed up a little while splitting so a post from onlyme and one of mine got lost in the process...sorry)
Plus a couple of mine were lost! Sorry if they were offensive to you. Geez, I was just kidding about Tasering kids!

(they are there....just in the other thread)
Ahem! (shuffles feet with head down)
Right, I knew it all the time....just seeing if you were paying attention. Yeah, that's the ticket! I didn't screw up, I was just checking your admin reflexes!
Doh!
mommosquid: Yes, corporal punishment (a light slap) CAN be included in unconditional love, if it's done with the intent of teaching the child and securing his safety. Is a lesser effective alternative better?
MikeyV: of course you can be a 'loose cannon' too. Seems there are a lot of loose cannons on here, and I sometimes think I'm the only SANE person here.
It reminds me of a fairytale I heard as a kid, can't remember how it went exactly, but it was something about a wicked witch poisoning the well, and everybody in the village, except one, drank from the well and became insane. Well, they all thought that the 'sane' person was insane, because they were all of one mind, and eventually the sane person got fed up and drank the water himself, then became insane. The result was that all the other people exclaimed...'Oh, look (so and so) has regained his sanity at last!'
Well, I'm keeping my sanity! Ha ha
I'm sane. I'm sane. I know if I keep telling myself this, I will be alright.
I'm sane. I'm sane. ... la de dah, dee da dum, la la dee
Onlyme, the thread split. Pay attention. Laetus posted a link to it.
http://www.happyatheistforum.com/ftopic149.html (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/ftopic149.html)
Quote from: "Court"Onlyme, the thread split. Pay attention. Laetus posted a link to it.
http://www.happyatheistforum.com/ftopic149.html (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/ftopic149.html)
Court: OK. Got you...I think....
I'm not the sharpest tool in the box, am I?
I believe it's good to test drive before buying the car so sex is fine by me. Divorce only when necessary, but then again, you should try to marry someone who you wouldn't need to divorce. (take Kim Kardashian's marriage to Kris as and example of what NOT to do.) Drugs/Smoking/Drinking/Every other 'bad' thing the guy can think of, do at your own will. Personally, I don't like the thought of being high and prefer alcohol to drugs, but I also never want to get drunk, just enjoy the taste.
Quote from: Jassman on July 28, 2006, 08:44:50 PM
Yeah, the Bullshit! episode is great. Every Bullshit! episode is, though.
Lol I friggin LOVE Penn and Teller; their Vatican Bullshit episode was fantastic.
Hey look, it's a resurrection!
Quote from: Jassman on July 28, 2006, 06:52:15 PM
Quoteevery time you have sex you make intermate close conections which never leave you - so you can never totaly love the person your with unless the last person youloved is dead - and even then you will miss in some way the last person you loved
This statement is proof to me that the 42-yr old man who wrote the ad being quoted was himself a virgin. It would take someone incredibly inexperienced to believe something this silly and frankly, I suspect a lot of virgins aren't this naive. Which must have made this Xtian looking for love extra-virgin. This was posted in 2006 so I hope he eventually found someone, either by getting a reality check for his standards or hitching up with a very plausible liar.