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I have read enough of these postings to realize that the majority of athiests here are only here out of fear of judgement, accountability, responability, commitment and out of just sheer ignorance.

 I am a happy Christian and that has alot to offer in this world which is constantly nudged out of control by the lack of insight and values that are spawned from lack of understanding that, God gave us all a choice. Obviously there are a great number of people on this site who are continuously making the wrong ones.

 Jesus died for our sins and I commit them all the time. The reason I am not an athiest is based on the experiences I have had with Faith. God waits for us all and I look forward to hearing from anyone who thinks that this so-called freedom they are experiencing leaves them feeling a little empty and useless. C'mon, You know it does!

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Quote from: "impuzzled"I have read enough of these postings to realize that the majority of athiests here are only here out of fear of judgement, accountability, responability, commitment and out of just sheer ignorance.

 I am a happy Christian and that has alot to offer in this world which is constantly nudged out of control by the lack of insight and values that are spawned from lack of understanding that, God gave us all a choice. Obviously there are a great number of people on this site who are continuously making the wrong ones.

 Jesus died for our sins and I commit them all the time. The reason I am not an athiest is based on the experiences I have had with Faith. God waits for us all and I look forward to hearing from anyone who thinks that this so-called freedom they are experiencing leaves them feeling a little empty and useless. C'mon, You know it does!

The title of the thread is, "What is a Happy Atheist to You?", not "Let me tell you Why You Are Not Really Happy."

Your post, impuzzled is one of ignorance and lack of insight, just the opposite of what you said you have read. If you have read the postings here by most of us, you would realize we absolutely do NOT fear judgment or accountability. How can you be so absolutely thick as to not get that atheists do not believe in god, therefore, do not fear accountability to god. You don't fear what does not exist.

As for ignorance, just what is it do you think we are ignorant of? Scripture?
Test us then. You'll find you have met your match in that category, I'm afraid.

What experiences have you had with faith that keeps you a christian? We're curious.

As for feeling empty and useless, you'll have to find that elsewhere too. Our lives have purpose and meaning. We are not slaves to an imaginary sky pixie. Where is the meaning of being beholden to an imaginary being?

Quote from: "impuzzled"Jesus died for our sins

What about all these younger children that get beaten, raped, and treated in ways that make Jesus in The Passion look like a walk in the park?

I dont recall that shit happening to him.

All your god bullshit is so vague and unspecific. If the bible explains all, then find the words 'proton, neutron, electron and quark' in it with proper references to how it works. No, 'god made us in 'X' days' doesnt cut it. Just one of the many things the bible lacks when it is said to explain so much.






Sorry McQ. I really dont give a shit about this guy, nor his repetitive stories that make complete irrational sense.






Empty and useless. Hmmm.....if we are empty and useless, whats your use home-boy? That---I am interested in. Well only if it goes deeper than 'to serve god.' (which makes no sense as why you wouldnt start and end in heaven in the first place...there would be no controversy and EVERYONE would be happy...wow, wouldn't that be nice.)

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Quote from: "impuzzled"I have read enough of these postings to realize that the majority of athiests here are only here out of fear of judgement, accountability, responability, commitment and out of just sheer ignorance.

 I am a happy Christian and that has alot to offer in this world which is constantly nudged out of control by the lack of insight and values that are spawned from lack of understanding that, God gave us all a choice. Obviously there are a great number of people on this site who are continuously making the wrong ones.

 Jesus died for our sins and I commit them all the time. The reason I am not an athiest is based on the experiences I have had with Faith. God waits for us all and I look forward to hearing from anyone who thinks that this so-called freedom they are experiencing leaves them feeling a little empty and useless. C'mon, You know it does!

The title of the thread is, "What is a Happy Atheist to You?", not "Let me tell you Why You Are Not Really Happy."

Your post, impuzzled is one of ignorance and lack of insight, just the opposite of what you said you have read. If you have read the postings here by most of us, you would realize we absolutely do NOT fear judgment or accountability. How can you be so absolutely thick as to not get that atheists do not believe in god, therefore, do not fear accountability to god. You don't fear what does not exist.

As for ignorance, just what is it do you think we are ignorant of? Scripture?
Test us then. You'll find you have met your match in that category, I'm afraid.

What experiences have you had with faith that keeps you a christian? We're curious.

As for feeling empty and useless, you'll have to find that elsewhere too. Our lives have purpose and meaning. We are not slaves to an imaginary sky pixie. Where is the meaning of being beholden to an imaginary being?

impuzzled, If you click on "disable BBCode in this post" it will make the quote system not work properly.  Try not to do that again, and make sure that you add new content when you create a new post. I am going to split your posts and related posts off into your their own thread so that this one can stay clean -laetusatheos

Hey impuzzled - when you type your post, you can click the "Preview" button to make sure it renders the way you intend it to.  It looks like one of your quote tags is off, and it makes it very hard to tell what you are responding to and what you are responding with.

I believe these are your words, so I will respond to them:

Quote from: "impuzzled"Jesus died for our sins and I commit them all the time. The reason I am not an athiest is based on the experiences I have had with Faith. God waits for us all and I look forward to hearing from anyone who thinks that this so-called freedom they are experiencing leaves them feeling a little empty and useless. C'mon, You know it does!

I would say that the idea that Jesus dies for our sins in unsubstantiated --- for one thing, if there are no gods then there can be no sin.  And what are you to do with all the opinions, presented firsthand, that we as atheists do not end up feeling "a little empty and useless"?  You just say "You know it does" - do you think these people are lying?

I do not feel empty, and I certainly don't feel useless.

Quote from: "impuzzled"

Quote from: "McQ"

Quote from: "impuzzled"I have read enough of these postings to realize that the majority of athiests here are only here out of fear of judgement, accountability, responability, commitment and out of just sheer ignorance.

 I am a happy Christian and that has alot to offer in this world which is constantly nudged out of control by the lack of insight and values that are spawned from lack of understanding that, God gave us all a choice. Obviously there are a great number of people on this site who are continuously making the wrong ones.

 Jesus died for our sins and I commit them all the time. The reason I am not an athiest is based on the experiences I have had with Faith. God waits for us all and I look forward to hearing from anyone who thinks that this so-called freedom they are experiencing leaves them feeling a little empty and useless. C'mon, You know it does!

The title of the thread is, "What is a Happy Atheist to You?", not "Let me tell you Why You Are Not Really Happy."

Your post, impuzzled is one of ignorance and lack of insight, just the opposite of what you said you have read. If you have read the postings here by most of us, you would realize we absolutely do NOT fear judgment or accountability. How can you be so absolutely thick as to not get that atheists do not believe in god, therefore, do not fear accountability to god. You don't fear what does not exist.

As for ignorance, just what is it do you think we are ignorant of? Scripture?
Test us then. You'll find you have met your match in that category, I'm afraid.

What experiences have you had with faith that keeps you a christian? We're curious.

As for feeling empty and useless, you'll have to find that elsewhere too. Our lives have purpose and meaning. We are not slaves to an imaginary sky pixie. Where is the meaning of being beholden to an imaginary being?

Nothing new came through with this post, impuzzled. If you're having difficulty with posting, let me or laetusatheos (or any veteren member) know and we'll help you figure out how to post using quotes. It's pretty easy once you get the hang of it.

Hey I'm new to this, but I'm offended by impuzzled's comments at the beginning of this. I just started, and if I may I'd like to give my reasons as to why I'm doing so.

I'm not here "out of fear of judgement, accountability, responability, commitment". I'm here because here I can find sane individuals who will at least entertain an idea before dismissing it. The reason I'm on these forums is to find a sense of acceptance and understanding which I can not in my own community. I'm sure many atheists here know the feeling of being the outsider or being ambushed and debated by several Christians (though I usually win)

Quote from: "ShimShamSam"Hey I'm new to this, but I'm offended by impuzzled's comments at the beginning of this.

Believers have to imagine all sorts of things to justify their beliefs.

Quote from: "impuzzled"I have read enough of these postings to realize that the majority of athiests here are only here out of fear of judgement, accountability, responability, commitment and out of just sheer ignorance.

Wow. We are here out of a sense of comrodory with other free thinkers, not out of fear. If we were so fearful, why do you suppose there would be pages of dialogue after a theist creeps on the site to attack us? No, we have no issue with taking people to task for their ignorance here at all. As for accountability, one of the wonderful things about being atheist, or rather not being a theist, is that we are accountable to ourselves instead of puff the magic dragon or Zeus. We have actual authority over ourselves and can change our behavior of our own accord. It's brilliant, actually, to be the author of one's own destiny.

Quote from: "impuzzled"I am a happy Christian and that has alot to offer in this world which is constantly nudged out of control by the lack of insight and values that are spawned from lack of understanding that, God gave us all a choice. Obviously there are a great number of people on this site who are continuously making the wrong ones.

Atheists have real morals, Christians have a book. What happens when the book is wrong, such as when it supports slavery, child molestation, war, murder, torture, etc? Do you abandon your morals and the book, or do you become the a monster?

As atheists, we can also author our moral codes. We don't have an ancient set of myths to adhere to, so we can be purely moral creatures of our own accord.

Quote from: "impuzzled"Jesus died for our sins and I commit them all the time.

There is no evidence that the Jesus of the Bible ever lived.

Quote from: "impuzzled"The reason I am not an athiest is based on the experiences I have had with Faith. God waits for us all and I look forward to hearing from anyone who thinks that this so-called freedom they are experiencing leaves them feeling a little empty and useless. C'mon, You know it does!

I would rather have the freedom to make my own decisions about the world than have them preached to me by a parent figure from 2000 years ago.

Quote from: "impuzzled"Jesus died for our sins and I commit them all the time. The reason I am not an athiest is based on the experiences I have had with Faith. God waits for us all and I look forward to hearing from anyone who thinks that this so-called freedom they are experiencing leaves them feeling a little empty and useless. C'mon, You know it does!

I've never heard anything so patronising. Prepare to have the favour returned.

You have bi-polar disorder, a great love of cats and a facial disfigurement. I deduced this from looking at your age. Also, just to be extra-convincing: C'mon, you know it's true, even if it isn't!

Seriously though, this is the etiquette in civilised society: make statement ===> substantiate *pat pat*. You should become accustomed to it because if you don't, then everything you say is effortlessly refuted... put it this way: train a parrot to say "No, you're wrong" whenever you speak to it, then try to convert it to Christianity. See who comes out on top.

Because of this, when you say "I have read enough of these postings" I'm forced not to believe you. And if you have read any posts then they've clearly had nothing to do with the manufacturing of your own. In fact, I doubt you did either. It's a time-old formula: always the same trundling parade of lethargic assertions, occasionally rearranged into a different order (check out posts by other brief bible-bashing visitors!). In fact I bet you had these accusations lined up before you'd even found this website. They read like something you and a flock of fellow undead have spent 2 hours, every day, chanting in unison over and over just to make sure you believed it all enough to get into heaven.

Quote from: "Mister Joy"train a parrot to say "No, you're wrong" whenever you speak to it, then try to convert it to Christianity. See who comes out on top.

:lol:  Dude - that was awesome.  Cripes, I'm still chuckling....

very interesting, its like asking us are we scared to go to court??

Quote from: "impuzzled"I have read enough of these postings to realize that the majority of athiests here are only here out of fear of judgement, accountability, responability, commitment and out of just sheer ignorance.

I have not been at this forum long enough to judge what the majority of atheists here feel or believe, but I will tentatively disagree. Perhaps I should just ask you to substantiate this belief. Why do you think they are this way? What have you read to suggest this?

QuoteI am a happy Christian and that has alot to offer in this world which is constantly nudged out of control by the lack of insight and values that are spawned from lack of understanding that, God gave us all a choice. Obviously there are a great number of people on this site who are continuously making the wrong ones.

And I am a happy atheist. What is your point? I know happy Christians, Muslims, Jews, agnostics, atheists...I've not yet seen evidence that Christians are the only ones to have happiness.
Furthermore, I see no reason why you can so broadly claim that those who disagree with your position are making the wrong choice. Have you proven your God yet?

QuoteJesus died for our sins and I commit them all the time. The reason I am not an athiest is based on the experiences I have had with Faith.

Good for you. Your personal experience really proves nothing, and quite frankly your religion fails to hold up to scrutiny. It appears that the only thing sustaining your religion (for you, at least) is emotion. Pure emotion.

QuoteGod waits for us all and I look forward to hearing from anyone who thinks that this so-called freedom they are experiencing leaves them feeling a little empty and useless. C'mon, You know it does!

Again, I'm a happy atheist. I feel neither empty nor useless. I don't claim that I'm happy because I'm an atheist, though perhaps some people might say they enjoy the freedom from religion. That is not my experience. I can, however, say that my time as a religious person is no different than my time as an atheist, speaking in terms of happiness. Make of that what you will.

I don't believe. And I don't regret it in any way.

Okay impuzzled. I know where you're coming from. You're trying to show all of us our wrongs and save us. I don't doubt you are a happy Christian. If religion makes you happy, good for you. But don't come here and tell us we aren't happy because we don't accept Jesus and don't try to tell us how we feel. I used to be a Christian and now I am an Atheist. I feel more freedom now than I ever did when I believed in God. I don't feel 'empty and useless'. On the contrary, I feel complete and full of life.

this thread makes no sense.

atheists are not worried about any future judgement.....hence why we are atheists.

scare tactics work on the weak (terrorism,global warming,ect ect)  but they dont work on the strong.

If you're interested in debate, like your profile states, your technique needs work. You have first insulted your opponent, then made some unsubstantiated blanket statements. Here are your insults:

Quote from: "impuzzled"...and out of just sheer ignorance.

QuoteObviously there are a great number of people on this site who are continuously making the wrong ones.

Here are your unsubstantiated, unsupported statements:

QuoteThe reason I am not an athiest is based on the experiences I have had with Faith.

Instead of listing the experiences, you think that this statement stands on it's own.

QuoteI am a happy Christian and that has alot to offer

Really? Like what? I would be interested in hearing what you have to offer.

QuoteJesus died for our sins

This assertion is only supported and propagated by the beliefs of religious people. No evidence.

Quoteand I commit them all the time

Sounds like you use the redemptive power of the death and resurrection of Jesus rather conveniently. That makes the idea of it even less appealing to me. Although I can't say that the idea blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins was ever really appealing. But if I could stomach it, the fact that you take it for granted makes sacrificial forgiveness even more pointless and horrible.

And by the way, who the hell would want to be held accountible to an invisible judge??? Atheists don't fear accountability or judgement, we just don't accept either from a source that can't be verified or held accountable itself.

*sighs, shakes head, reads first post, sighs again*

Most of the Atheists I know haven't become so out of fear or ignorance.  A few have, sure, just like I know some 'Christians' who have, too.  

Most of the Atheists I know are good people who are interested in people.  A lot like most of the Christians I know, too.  In fact, I've only met a handful of angry atheists.  

Most of what I've seen on this forum (albeit, I've only been here for a few days, but whatever) isn't driven by fear or ignorance or hatred.  Sure, there's a hell of a lot I disagree with, and some of it seems pointed, but most of the hostility given on this forum is done so as a reply to someone else's hostility (either on the board or in the world).

Generally, people will see whatever they're looking for.  If you want to see a bunch of stupid neo-Con Christers, then that's what you'll see.  If you want to see a bunch of lawless, immoral heathens, then that's what you'll see.  If you don't look for a fight, though, then there probably won't be one.  

(you should, however, look for bears when you're hiking.  While I've never seen one, I'm okay with that)

I don't fear accountability or judgment. In fact, like susangail said, I feel more free and full of life than I ever did when I was a Christian. I don't have to worry about God watching my every move, feeling guilty for every bad thought, and praying constantly for his forgiveness and for him to give my life meaning and direction. I can strike out on my own, do my own thing, pursue those things that really interest me without having to worry about what it might mean for me spiritually. I'm not weighed down by God. I can be myself.

Quote from: "Chimera"I don't fear accountability or judgment. In fact, like susangail said, I feel more free and full of life than I ever did when I was a Christian. I don't have to worry about God watching my every move, feeling guilty for every bad thought, and praying constantly for his forgiveness and for him to give my life meaning and direction. I can strike out on my own, do my own thing, pursue those things that really interest me without having to worry about what it might mean for me spiritually. I'm not weighed down by God. I can be myself.

Chimera very well put.And seeing how this poster seems to know what their God wants well then by all means feel free to live your life always looking up.I honestly don't see why people waste time coming here if they can't atleast see our side.My mind is my own,it's the only thing I will ever really own.And I don't want to waste my time praying to someone who isn't there.If God wants to be prasied then why is it goers who attend church always have to pay...If god is all knowing and powerful then why doesn't he help his believers..Oh wait I forgot because in order to be a good servant to God you must not question anything in the bible or God.And seeing how the bible damns blacks,women and homosexuals why the hell would I want to waste my time worshipping something that was man-made.The bible spreads hate and fear.I want no part of that.As for morals my morals are far better then most hypocrital god loving,Jesus freaks.

How is it we fear accountability?  We have no Savior to pawn our "sins" off on.  We have no Satan to blame for the bad thing we do.  We are accountable for OUR actions.  It must be nice to do bad things and simply ask God to forgive them and go on about life with no bubble and no troubles.

Quote from: "Dickson"*sighs, shakes head, reads first post, sighs again*

Most of the Atheists I know haven't become so out of fear or ignorance.  A few have, sure, just like I know some 'Christians' who have, too.  

Most of the Atheists I know are good people who are interested in people.  A lot like most of the Christians I know, too.  In fact, I've only met a handful of angry atheists.  

Most of what I've seen on this forum (albeit, I've only been here for a few days, but whatever) isn't driven by fear or ignorance or hatred.  Sure, there's a hell of a lot I disagree with, and some of it seems pointed, but most of the hostility given on this forum is done so as a reply to someone else's hostility (either on the board or in the world).

Generally, people will see whatever they're looking for.  If you want to see a bunch of stupid neo-Con Christers, then that's what you'll see.  If you want to see a bunch of lawless, immoral heathens, then that's what you'll see.  If you don't look for a fight, though, then there probably won't be one.  

(you should, however, look for bears when you're hiking.  While I've never seen one, I'm okay with that)

We need more Christians like you!

Quote from: "afreethinker30"We need more Christians like you!

Thanks!  

Quote from: "impuzzled"I have read enough of these postings to realize that the majority of athiests here are only here out of fear of judgement,

What do you mean? Who's judgement? Judgement for what?

Quote from: "impuzzled"accountability,

Wouldn't we all rather not be held accountable for something bad, regardless of gender, race or religion?

Quote from: "impuzzled"responability,

Responsibility for what? I'll gladly accept responsibility for something or someone I'm involved with. Or if accepting that responsibility fills up my bank account.

Quote from: "impuzzled"commitment

Commitment to what? I think most of us here are committed to something or someone.

Quote from: "impuzzled"and out of just sheer ignorance.

Every single human on this planet is ignorant, for the more we know, the more questions we have.

Quote from: "impuzzled"I am a happy Christian and that has alot to offer in this world which is constantly nudged out of control by the lack of insight and values that are spawned from lack of understanding that, God gave us all a choice.

Assuming gods exist. Prove that, then we'll talk.

Quote from: "impuzzled"Obviously there are a great number of people on this site who are continuously making the wrong ones.

Is it so obvious? And who are you to name someone else's choice wrong?

Quote from: "impuzzled"Jesus died for our sins and I commit them all the time.

Congratulations, you're going to hell.

Quote from: "impuzzled"The reason I am not an athiest is based on the experiences I have had with Faith.

Really?   Well, have fun praying.

Quote from: "impuzzled"God waits for us all and I look forward to hearing from anyone who thinks that this so-called freedom they are experiencing leaves them feeling a little empty and useless. C'mon, You know it does!

Useless and loving it. Not empty though. However, a belief in god does not make you any more useful or ... what was the opposite of empty..? than I am.

Quote from: "Dickson"Generally, people will see whatever they're looking for. If you want to see a bunch of stupid neo-Con Christers, then that's what you'll see. If you want to see a bunch of lawless, immoral heathens, then that's what you'll see. If you don't look for a fight, though, then there probably won't be one.

That's very true about a lot of things. If I believe in any prophecy at all, I believe in self fulfilling prophecy. People will find what they value in people and in situations, so we steer their own destiny to mirror those values. Conversely it's impossible to expect anyone outside of your group to value the same things that you do. Many Christians don't understand this. They think that everyone has to conform to their values or Die. When I say Die, I mean to die a spiritual death, whether that's Hell or just being annihiliated (while believers enjoy eternal bliss).

With any evangelical belief, there is an 'us and them' mentality whether or not you believe in hell, those saved by grace and those that are not. As a non-believer, I am able to look beyond the 'us and them' mentality and see humanity as one family, no matter the belief. This is such a refreshing way to see the world after years of believing that all non-Christians' souls would be tortured or killed after their physical death.

Quote from: "Dickson"(you should, however, look for bears when you're hiking. While I've never seen one, I'm okay with that)

I have seen a bear while hiking. It's terrifying. I had hiked about five miles into Ocala National Forest with two friends to camp for a few days. As we were setting up camp that afternoon a monsterous black bear ambled into a clearing right next to camp, and sat down. It was an enormous bear. I was really surprised at how big it was. So we just stood there looking at it, and it was there contently panting and staring back. Finally after about 15 minutes it got up and walked off down the trail. But that was the longest fifteen minutes of my life. My other bear encounter was in a tent with my wife. We were camping with some friends at a park known to have a bear population. A friend of ours was supposed to have taken the trash out after my wife and I went to bed, which was hanging next to our tent. He forgot. During the night we were woken by very deep grunts and snarls, and the sounds of ripping. Needless to say we were terrified. We laid there shivering afraid to open the tent since the trash was about two feet way. About an hour later we heard somebody exit their tent and we heard some rustling. So we exited the tent happy to be alive to find a demolished trash bag right next to our tent. We were so scared and pissed. I just about punched my friend. Since then I'm very bear wary, and I take bear mace just in case anytime I hike or camp.

Oh hell you could easily make this accusation in either direction. Could one not say that atheists are the ones who have to live with their mistakes? Whereas the Christian can easily brush his mistakes off his shoulders through asking forgiveness from god, rather than from those he wronged?

I really don't see why someones personal thought is being judged by those who must not throw stones.As long as we go on not hurting anyone no one should should be able to be judge and jury on someone they know nothing about.There are so many Christians that have done much more to harm others then atheists have.I suggest any Christian who wants to judge someone because of lack of faith read this quote from Mein Kampf

Quote"I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.."

Hitler

But wait there is more,much more.These good people have also : Killed people because they were involved in Pagan services.Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to pieces by a Chrisitian mob.Killed Pagan priests.Started the Crusades,over a million people were killed.Exterminated a christian sect for using birth control.Oh they burnt them crazy witches too.Using various forms of torture to get a statement.Spanish Inquisition.Killed 30,000 Protestants

Quote"In a single church fifty women were found beheaded," reported poet Friedrich Schiller, "and infants still sucking the breasts of their lifeless mothers."

.Murdered,raped and tortured many Native Peoples.Run Catholic extermination camps.I could go on and on but I think this just goes to show you how godly these people are.