http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/07/morning_sickness_can_more_sex_help_.single.html
Snipped for brevity's sake. Prior to this part, they were talking about the theories that morning sickness is an evolutionary adaptation to prevent the mother's immune system from kicking out the baby, or to prevent the mom from ingesting (or at least keeping down) stuff that could be bad for the baby. Some dude named "Gallup" disagrees. Now for the fun part:
QuoteSo what does Gallup say is the real culprit behind nausea and vomiting in early pregnancy? Semen. More specifically, unfamiliar semen. To understand where he's coming from, we need to think back to the maternal immune system's response to the fetus. Because half of the DNA the fetus is carrying comes from the father, the mother's body may initially treat the organism as foreign tissue or an infection. This response, Gallup says, triggers an immune reaction that is commonly experienced as nausea, vomiting, and malaise (aka morning sickness). The best cure for this type of sickness, says Gallup, is, strangely enough, the same thing as its cause. The more exposure a woman has to her partner's semen—that is to say, the more often she's inseminated prior to conception and during the early stages of the pregnancy—the more tolerance her body develops to his genetic material. This tolerance generalizes to a tolerance for the fetus and leads to successful maternal immunosuppression—and subsequently allows her to feel less like an infected zombie with serious stomach troubles.
Here is where Gallup's reputation as an innovative—if often highly speculative—evolutionary theorist comes into the picture. Gallup surmises that pregnancy sickness is not itself an adaptation, but instead a side effect of a broader maternal adaptation for favoring the best possible mates. He suggests that this broader adaptation serves primarily to facilitate reproduction with males that are likely to support mother and child (in evolutionary terms, to invest in the offspring), while weeding out the players. In previous work, Gallup has shown that women are more likely to develop preeclampsia—and thus have a higher infant mortality risk—in pregnancies resulting from unfamiliar semen. Historically, these would have included rape and "dishonest mating strategies" (tactics in which the man lies to the woman about his long-term intentions just to get into her pants) as well as unplanned conception occurring in a new, still-fragile relationship. From the point of view of Mother Nature's cold, cold heart, spontaneous abortions due to a reaction against unfamiliar semen might have been biologically adaptive. This is because conception and childbirth historically meant that a woman foreclosed on any other reproductive opportunities for 2 to 4 years, so pregnancies in which paternal investment was improbable would have meant an enormous gamble. Today, however, technological innovations such as barrier contraceptives (condoms reduce a woman's exposure to semen that would otherwise become familiar) and artificial insemination mimic some ancestral conditions. The maternal immune system has no way to distinguish between, say, conception by in vitro fertilization and rape.
Gallup's evolutionary reinterpretation of pregnancy sickness is quite new—so new, in fact, that it hasn't been put to a test.But at the 2012 meeting of the Northeastern Evolutionary Psychology Society in Plymouth, N.H., he and graduate student Jeremy Atkinson laid out a set of explicit predictions that, if borne out by data, would support their model and may lead scholarship away from the traditional embryo-protection account. First, the authors predict that the intensity of pregnancy sickness should be directly proportional to the frequency of insemination by the child's father. "Risk factors for morning sickness," they reason, "should include condom use, infrequent insemination, and not being in a committed relationship." In fact, Gallup and Atkinson believe that lesbians with little (if any) previous exposure to semen who are impregnated by artificial insemination should have some of the worst cases of nausea and vomiting. Also, pregnancy sickness should wane in severity from one consecutive pregnancy to the next, but only assuming that the same man sires each successive offspring. By contrast, a change in paternity between offspring should reinstate pregnancy sickness.
I love it. An untested theory that ladies can prevent or treat morning sickness by just slathering themselves in their partner's (but ONLY their partner's!) semen. Condoms as a risk factor.
Please tell me I'm not the only lady to give this "medical theory" a big old side eye. Reminds me of when Husband tried to convince me that a doctor told him that his up-all-night insomnia could be cured by nightly "exercise." ::)
I, for one, think we need more money being pumped into this research and also an awareness campaign.
I... don't even know, man.
Edit: On second thought, I had "all-day sickness" for about two months. If I had read this, I probably would have given it a try. haha.
My wife and I practised quite a lot before we had children, it didn't seem to prevent morning sickness.
How does a father know that the woman's body is rejecting competitors semen and that a particular child is theirs anyway?
This reminds me of a study I saw a few years ago suggesting there were health benefits for women who ingest their partner's semen. If I am not mistaken there was a reduced risk of breast cancer. But a big part of me thinks the researchers were a bunch of perverts who guessed no one would do a follow up study. Imagine the ad for test subjects! You couldn't place it in the paper!
Quote from: jumbojak on July 11, 2012, 11:30:50 PM
This reminds me of a study I saw a few years ago suggesting there were health benefits for women who ingest their partner's semen. If I am not mistaken there was a reduced risk of breast cancer. But a big part of me thinks the researchers were a bunch of perverts who guessed no one would do a follow up study. Imagine the ad for test subjects! You couldn't place it in the paper!
I used to be a rep for a components company and visited the labs at the Institute of Psychiatry in London. Now there was a TV programme that investigated the question of female stimulation by pornography. With a man they put a strain gauge around his penis. But how do you measure response in a woman? Well I happened to visit the lab and the technician that was given the job. The equipment turned out to be very simple it was a about the size of a medium cigar and contained a series of red LEDS set at 90 degrees to matching detectors. As the blood flow in the vaginal wall increased the amount of light passing between LED and detector increased; very simple. The guy admitted he'd got it working in 3 days but had
claimed it had been terribly difficult to calibrate and as such had needed lots of volunteers to test the device on (which was BS). He had notes on the response curves of over 300 nurses at the hospital!
Quote from: Tank on July 12, 2012, 12:03:19 AM
Quote from: jumbojak on July 11, 2012, 11:30:50 PM
This reminds me of a study I saw a few years ago suggesting there were health benefits for women who ingest their partner's semen. If I am not mistaken there was a reduced risk of breast cancer. But a big part of me thinks the researchers were a bunch of perverts who guessed no one would do a follow up study. Imagine the ad for test subjects! You couldn't place it in the paper!
I used to be a rep for a components company and visited the labs at the Institute of Psychiatry in London. Now there was a TV programme that investigated the question of female stimulation by pornography. With a man they put a strain gauge around his penis. But how do you measure response in a woman? Well I happened to visit the lab and the technician that was given the job. The equipment turned out to be very simple it was a about the size of a medium cigar and contained a series of red LEDS set at 90 degrees to matching detectors. As the blood flow in the vaginal wall increased the amount of light passing between LED and detector increased; very simple. The guy admitted he'd got it working in 3 days but had claimed it had been terribly difficult to calibrate and as such had needed lots of volunteers to test the device on (which was BS). He had notes on the response curves of over 300 nurses at the hospital!
My careers teacher never told me there were jobs like that.
Quote from: En_Route on July 12, 2012, 12:32:06 AM
Quote from: Tank on July 12, 2012, 12:03:19 AM
Quote from: jumbojak on July 11, 2012, 11:30:50 PM
This reminds me of a study I saw a few years ago suggesting there were health benefits for women who ingest their partner's semen. If I am not mistaken there was a reduced risk of breast cancer. But a big part of me thinks the researchers were a bunch of perverts who guessed no one would do a follow up study. Imagine the ad for test subjects! You couldn't place it in the paper!
I used to be a rep for a components company and visited the labs at the Institute of Psychiatry in London. Now there was a TV programme that investigated the question of female stimulation by pornography. With a man they put a strain gauge around his penis. But how do you measure response in a woman? Well I happened to visit the lab and the technician that was given the job. The equipment turned out to be very simple it was a about the size of a medium cigar and contained a series of red LEDS set at 90 degrees to matching detectors. As the blood flow in the vaginal wall increased the amount of light passing between LED and detector increased; very simple. The guy admitted he'd got it working in 3 days but had claimed it had been terribly difficult to calibrate and as such had needed lots of volunteers to test the device on (which was BS). He had notes on the response curves of over 300 nurses at the hospital!
My careers teacher never told me there were jobs like that.
They never do, do they.
I believe I read somewhere that male gynaecologists often end up in marriage counselling because they see so many vaginas the loose interest in their wives.
Quote from: Tank on July 12, 2012, 12:39:34 AM
Quote from: En_Route on July 12, 2012, 12:32:06 AM
Quote from: Tank on July 12, 2012, 12:03:19 AM
Quote from: jumbojak on July 11, 2012, 11:30:50 PM
This reminds me of a study I saw a few years ago suggesting there were health benefits for women who ingest their partner's semen. If I am not mistaken there was a reduced risk of breast cancer. But a big part of me thinks the researchers were a bunch of perverts who guessed no one would do a follow up study. Imagine the ad for test subjects! You couldn't place it in the paper!
I used to be a rep for a components company and visited the labs at the Institute of Psychiatry in London. Now there was a TV programme that investigated the question of female stimulation by pornography. With a man they put a strain gauge around his penis. But how do you measure response in a woman? Well I happened to visit the lab and the technician that was given the job. The equipment turned out to be very simple it was a about the size of a medium cigar and contained a series of red LEDS set at 90 degrees to matching detectors. As the blood flow in the vaginal wall increased the amount of light passing between LED and detector increased; very simple. The guy admitted he'd got it working in 3 days but had claimed it had been terribly difficult to calibrate and as such had needed lots of volunteers to test the device on (which was BS). He had notes on the response curves of over 300 nurses at the hospital!
My careers teacher never told me there were jobs like that.
They never do, do they.
I believe I read somewhere that male gynaecologists often end up in marriage counselling because they see so many vaginas the loose interest in their wives.
those are some sad and pathetic men ::)
Quote from: Sweetdeath on July 12, 2012, 01:01:09 AM
those are some sad and pathetic men ::)
I disagree. If someone ate Chinese food every day for the rest of their life, they would probably soon grow tired of it. The same could probably be said for vaginas.
Well, let that be a warning to men who like to brag about how many ladies they can bag. When you're knee deep in vag, you may find yourself craving Chinese instead. Or something. *solemn nod*
It's my understanding that morning sickness can be triggered by strong smells. I suppose that's a bit of a paradox.
Quote from: Budhorse4 on July 12, 2012, 03:41:38 AM
Quote from: Sweetdeath on July 12, 2012, 01:01:09 AM
those are some sad and pathetic men ::)
I disagree. If someone ate Chinese food every day for the rest of their life, they would probably soon grow tired of it. The same could probably be said for vaginas.
he's looking at them, not having sex with them. There is no excuse, really.
off topic: new icon = <3
Quote from: Sweetdeath on July 12, 2012, 03:55:58 AM
he's looking at them, not having sex with them. There is no excuse, really.
off topic: new icon = <3
I've gotten bored with a few things by looking. I don't think it is fair to expect men to want vagina all the time.
Thanks. It made me laugh.
Quote from: Budhorse4 on July 12, 2012, 03:41:38 AM
I disagree. If someone ate Chinese food every day for the rest of their life, they would probably soon grow tired of it. The same could probably be said for vaginas.
If only it were true.
I blame evolution.
You may pause briefly for sustenance but then it's back on the treadmill, quite pitiful really.
Quote from: Budhorse4 on July 12, 2012, 04:15:46 AM
Quote from: Sweetdeath on July 12, 2012, 03:55:58 AM
he's looking at them, not having sex with them. There is no excuse, really.
off topic: new icon = <3
I've gotten bored with a few things by looking. I don't think it is fair to expect men to want vagina all the time.
Thanks. It made me laugh.
I dont think it's fair to be with someone for just one thing either. :-\
Quote from: Sweetdeath on July 12, 2012, 05:59:15 AM
I dont think it's fair to be with someone for just one thing either. :-\
You're right, it's not fair to be with someone for one thing. But a majority of times, people get married because they love more than one thing about each other. Going to marriage counseling just because they are not having sex seems pathetic. If they really loved each other they would be able to talk about it and the wife would be able understand why the gynecologist did not want sex. Something tells me that there were underlying issues.
I had a buddy who worked at a pizza place for a couple of years during college, on the front line making the pizzas. He hates it now, though after ten years or so he can at least tolerate it. Is that kind of the same thing?
More to the original topic: I will try and dig up the research I read stating that immune antibodies that the male had developed could be passed through the semen to the child, and with enough "exposure" to the mother as well. It was inside of research regarding humans being attracted to those with immune system traits that complimented their own immune system's deficiencies, as a means to produce healthier offspring. Pheromones were what passed the information. So essentially stink and sperm is what makes healthy babies? Or is that too simplistic?? ;D
Quote from: Sweetdeath on July 12, 2012, 01:01:09 AM
Quote from: Tank on July 12, 2012, 12:39:34 AM
Quote from: En_Route on July 12, 2012, 12:32:06 AM
Quote from: Tank on July 12, 2012, 12:03:19 AM
Quote from: jumbojak on July 11, 2012, 11:30:50 PM
This reminds me of a study I saw a few years ago suggesting there were health benefits for women who ingest their partner's semen. If I am not mistaken there was a reduced risk of breast cancer. But a big part of me thinks the researchers were a bunch of perverts who guessed no one would do a follow up study. Imagine the ad for test subjects! You couldn't place it in the paper!
I used to be a rep for a components company and visited the labs at the Institute of Psychiatry in London. Now there was a TV programme that investigated the question of female stimulation by pornography. With a man they put a strain gauge around his penis. But how do you measure response in a woman? Well I happened to visit the lab and the technician that was given the job. The equipment turned out to be very simple it was a about the size of a medium cigar and contained a series of red LEDS set at 90 degrees to matching detectors. As the blood flow in the vaginal wall increased the amount of light passing between LED and detector increased; very simple. The guy admitted he'd got it working in 3 days but had claimed it had been terribly difficult to calibrate and as such had needed lots of volunteers to test the device on (which was BS). He had notes on the response curves of over 300 nurses at the hospital!
My careers teacher never told me there were jobs like that.
They never do, do they.
I believe I read somewhere that male gynaecologists often end up in marriage counselling because they see so many vaginas the loose interest in their wives.
those are some sad and pathetic men ::)
I think you need to explain your reasoning behind that comment. Labelling a person as 'sad or pathetic' because of the work they do is rather thoughtless.
Quote from: Sweetdeath on July 12, 2012, 03:55:58 AM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on July 12, 2012, 03:41:38 AM
Quote from: Sweetdeath on July 12, 2012, 01:01:09 AM
those are some sad and pathetic men ::)
I disagree. If someone ate Chinese food every day for the rest of their life, they would probably soon grow tired of it. The same could probably be said for vaginas.
he's looking at them, not having sex with them. There is no excuse, really.
off topic: new icon = <3
Have you not considered the fact that the issue may be that they can't see their wife any more except in the context of just another vagina? And why are you having a go at a group of people who have a recognised problem as simply 'buck your ideas up sunshine; be a man'.
Quote from: Tank on July 12, 2012, 08:38:49 AM
Quote from: Sweetdeath on July 12, 2012, 01:01:09 AM
Quote from: Tank on July 12, 2012, 12:39:34 AM
Quote from: En_Route on July 12, 2012, 12:32:06 AM
Quote from: Tank on July 12, 2012, 12:03:19 AM
Quote from: jumbojak on July 11, 2012, 11:30:50 PM
This reminds me of a study I saw a few years ago suggesting there were health benefits for women who ingest their partner's semen. If I am not mistaken there was a reduced risk of breast cancer. But a big part of me thinks the researchers were a bunch of perverts who guessed no one would do a follow up study. Imagine the ad for test subjects! You couldn't place it in the paper!
I used to be a rep for a components company and visited the labs at the Institute of Psychiatry in London. Now there was a TV programme that investigated the question of female stimulation by pornography. With a man they put a strain gauge around his penis. But how do you measure response in a woman? Well I happened to visit the lab and the technician that was given the job. The equipment turned out to be very simple it was a about the size of a medium cigar and contained a series of red LEDS set at 90 degrees to matching detectors. As the blood flow in the vaginal wall increased the amount of light passing between LED and detector increased; very simple. The guy admitted he'd got it working in 3 days but had claimed it had been terribly difficult to calibrate and as such had needed lots of volunteers to test the device on (which was BS). He had notes on the response curves of over 300 nurses at the hospital!
My careers teacher never told me there were jobs like that.
They never do, do they.
I believe I read somewhere that male gynaecologists often end up in marriage counselling because they see so many vaginas the loose interest in their wives.
those are some sad and pathetic men ::)
I think you need to explain your reasoning behind that comment. Labelling a person as 'sad or pathetic' because of the work they do is rather thoughtless.
That's a trap I'd never fall into :-X
Quote from: Budhorse4 on July 12, 2012, 03:41:38 AM
Quote from: Sweetdeath on July 12, 2012, 01:01:09 AM
those are some sad and pathetic men ::)
I disagree. If someone ate Chinese food every day for the rest of their life, they would probably soon grow tired of it. The same could probably be said for vaginas.
Eating them every day would make you grow tired of them? Again, Research is called for and in the interests of science I am selflessly prepared to offer myself as a volunteer.
Quote from: En_Route on July 12, 2012, 12:18:11 PM
Quote from: Tank on July 12, 2012, 08:38:49 AM
I think you need to explain your reasoning behind that comment. Labelling a person as 'sad or pathetic' because of the work they do is rather thoughtless.
That's a trap I'd never fall into :-X
Well it is opened in the sense that it asks for more information ;)
Quote from: Tank on July 12, 2012, 08:42:47 AM
Quote from: Sweetdeath on July 12, 2012, 03:55:58 AM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on July 12, 2012, 03:41:38 AM
Quote from: Sweetdeath on July 12, 2012, 01:01:09 AM
those are some sad and pathetic men ::)
I disagree. If someone ate Chinese food every day for the rest of their life, they would probably soon grow tired of it. The same could probably be said for vaginas.
he's looking at them, not having sex with them. There is no excuse, really.
off topic: new icon = <3
Have you not considered the fact that the issue may be that they can't see their wife any more except in the context of just another vagina? And why are you having a go at a group of people who have a recognised problem as simply 'buck your ideas up sunshine; be a man'.
Yes. Exactly.
Quote from: Budhorse4 on July 12, 2012, 06:22:46 AM
Quote from: Sweetdeath on July 12, 2012, 05:59:15 AM
I dont think it's fair to be with someone for just one thing either. :-\
You're right, it's not fair to be with someone for one thing. But a majority of times, people get married because they love more than one thing about each other. Going to marriage counseling just because they are not having sex seems pathetic. If they really loved each other they would be able to talk about it and the wife would be able understand why the gynecologist did not want sex. Something tells me that there were underlying issues.
Yeah :<
I mean, i seriously have tons in common with my girlfriend. I couldn't be with someone just because they were pretty or the sex was the good. That's a nice foundation for a short relationship.
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on July 12, 2012, 01:25:00 PM
Quote from: Tank on July 12, 2012, 08:42:47 AM
Quote from: Sweetdeath on July 12, 2012, 03:55:58 AM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on July 12, 2012, 03:41:38 AM
Quote from: Sweetdeath on July 12, 2012, 01:01:09 AM
those are some sad and pathetic men ::)
I disagree. If someone ate Chinese food every day for the rest of their life, they would probably soon grow tired of it. The same could probably be said for vaginas.
he's looking at them, not having sex with them. There is no excuse, really.
off topic: new icon = <3
Have you not considered the fact that the issue may be that they can't see their wife any more except in the context of just another vagina? And why are you having a go at a group of people who have a recognised problem as simply 'buck your ideas up sunshine; be a man'.
Yes. Exactly.
I don't know -- I'm having a hard time understanding why looking at pussy all day would put a man off sex with a wife or girlfriend. I can understand why a man might not want to look at another one, but that's hardly required for sex and there's a lot more to it than that. I guess what I don't understand is turning down an offer to just close your eyes, lie back and have an orgasm no matter what you've been looking at all day at work.
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on July 12, 2012, 03:43:29 PM
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on July 12, 2012, 01:25:00 PM
Quote from: Tank on July 12, 2012, 08:42:47 AM
Quote from: Sweetdeath on July 12, 2012, 03:55:58 AM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on July 12, 2012, 03:41:38 AM
Quote from: Sweetdeath on July 12, 2012, 01:01:09 AM
those are some sad and pathetic men ::)
I disagree. If someone ate Chinese food every day for the rest of their life, they would probably soon grow tired of it. The same could probably be said for vaginas.
he's looking at them, not having sex with them. There is no excuse, really.
off topic: new icon = <3
Have you not considered the fact that the issue may be that they can't see their wife any more except in the context of just another vagina? And why are you having a go at a group of people who have a recognised problem as simply 'buck your ideas up sunshine; be a man'.
Yes. Exactly.
I don't know -- I'm having a hard time understanding why looking at pussy all day would put a man off sex with a wife or girlfriend. I can understand why a man might not want to look at another one, but that's hardly required for sex and there's a lot more to it than that. I guess what I don't understand is turning down an offer to just close your eyes, lie back and have an orgasm no matter what you've been looking at all day at work.
I must say I can't see the problem myself and I remeber being surprised when I read the article.
Quote from: Tank on July 12, 2012, 12:39:34 AM
Quote from: En_Route on July 12, 2012, 12:32:06 AM
Quote from: Tank on July 12, 2012, 12:03:19 AM
Quote from: jumbojak on July 11, 2012, 11:30:50 PM
This reminds me of a study I saw a few years ago suggesting there were health benefits for women who ingest their partner's semen. If I am not mistaken there was a reduced risk of breast cancer. But a big part of me thinks the researchers were a bunch of perverts who guessed no one would do a follow up study. Imagine the ad for test subjects! You couldn't place it in the paper!
I used to be a rep for a components company and visited the labs at the Institute of Psychiatry in London. Now there was a TV programme that investigated the question of female stimulation by pornography. With a man they put a strain gauge around his penis. But how do you measure response in a woman? Well I happened to visit the lab and the technician that was given the job. The equipment turned out to be very simple it was a about the size of a medium cigar and contained a series of red LEDS set at 90 degrees to matching detectors. As the blood flow in the vaginal wall increased the amount of light passing between LED and detector increased; very simple. The guy admitted he'd got it working in 3 days but had claimed it had been terribly difficult to calibrate and as such had needed lots of volunteers to test the device on (which was BS). He had notes on the response curves of over 300 nurses at the hospital!
My careers teacher never told me there were jobs like that.
They never do, do they.
I believe I read somewhere that male gynaecologists often end up in marriage counselling because they see so many vaginas the loose interest in their wives.
Surely the solution is for them to practise anal sex. Obvious once you think about it. Which I do occasionally.
Quote from: Tank on July 12, 2012, 08:38:49 AM
Quote from: Sweetdeath on July 12, 2012, 01:01:09 AM
Quote from: Tank on July 12, 2012, 12:39:34 AM
Quote from: En_Route on July 12, 2012, 12:32:06 AM
Quote from: Tank on July 12, 2012, 12:03:19 AM
Quote from: jumbojak on July 11, 2012, 11:30:50 PM
This reminds me of a study I saw a few years ago suggesting there were health benefits for women who ingest their partner's semen. If I am not mistaken there was a reduced risk of breast cancer. But a big part of me thinks the researchers were a bunch of perverts who guessed no one would do a follow up study. Imagine the ad for test subjects! You couldn't place it in the paper!
I used to be a rep for a components company and visited the labs at the Institute of Psychiatry in London. Now there was a TV programme that investigated the question of female stimulation by pornography. With a man they put a strain gauge around his penis. But how do you measure response in a woman? Well I happened to visit the lab and the technician that was given the job. The equipment turned out to be very simple it was a about the size of a medium cigar and contained a series of red LEDS set at 90 degrees to matching detectors. As the blood flow in the vaginal wall increased the amount of light passing between LED and detector increased; very simple. The guy admitted he'd got it working in 3 days but had claimed it had been terribly difficult to calibrate and as such had needed lots of volunteers to test the device on (which was BS). He had notes on the response curves of over 300 nurses at the hospital!
My careers teacher never told me there were jobs like that.
They never do, do they.
I believe I read somewhere that male gynaecologists often end up in marriage counselling because they see so many vaginas the loose interest in their wives.
those are some sad and pathetic men ::)
I think you need to explain your reasoning behind that comment. Labelling a person as 'sad or pathetic' because of the work they do is rather thoughtless.
i'm sorry, Tank. I'm only saying a person who is tired of their wife or doesnt want to have sex with her just because they have this job is a sad excuse. I mean, i work with perfume all day, but that doesn't mean i don't want to smell nice when i go outside.
I don't know, it just makes me feel someone who thinks this way didn't respect their wife to begin with.
Quote from: Tank on July 12, 2012, 08:42:47 AM
Quote from: Sweetdeath on July 12, 2012, 03:55:58 AM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on July 12, 2012, 03:41:38 AM
Quote from: Sweetdeath on July 12, 2012, 01:01:09 AM
those are some sad and pathetic men ::)
I disagree. If someone ate Chinese food every day for the rest of their life, they would probably soon grow tired of it. The same could probably be said for vaginas.
he's looking at them, not having sex with them. There is no excuse, really.
off topic: new icon = <3
Have you not considered the fact that the issue may be that they can't see their wife any more except in the context of just another vagina? And why are you having a go at a group of people who have a recognised problem as simply 'buck your ideas up sunshine; be a man'.
That isn't what i am saying at all. :-[
Quote from: Sweetdeath on July 12, 2012, 04:21:42 PM
Quote from: Tank on July 12, 2012, 08:38:49 AM
I think you need to explain your reasoning behind that comment. Labelling a person as 'sad or pathetic' because of the work they do is rather thoughtless.
i'm sorry, Tank. I'm only saying a person who is tired of their wife or doesnt want to have sex with her just because they have this job is a sad excuse. I mean, i work with perfume all day, but that doesn't mean i don't want to smell nice when i go outside.
I don't know, it just makes me feel someone who thinks this way didn't respect their wife to begin with.
No, youngling. Unfortunately the one constant in life is change. People can grow up and grow together or grow apart. That doesn't mean they didn't love each other to begin with.
Quote from: Sweetdeath on July 12, 2012, 04:23:06 PM
Quote from: Tank on July 12, 2012, 08:42:47 AM
Quote from: Sweetdeath on July 12, 2012, 03:55:58 AM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on July 12, 2012, 03:41:38 AM
Quote from: Sweetdeath on July 12, 2012, 01:01:09 AM
those are some sad and pathetic men ::)
I disagree. If someone ate Chinese food every day for the rest of their life, they would probably soon grow tired of it. The same could probably be said for vaginas.
he's looking at them, not having sex with them. There is no excuse, really.
off topic: new icon = <3
Have you not considered the fact that the issue may be that they can't see their wife any more except in the context of just another vagina? And why are you having a go at a group of people who have a recognised problem as simply 'buck your ideas up sunshine; be a man'.
That isn't what i am saying at all. :-[
Beg pardon. My bad.
Quote from: Tank on July 12, 2012, 04:24:59 PM
Quote from: Sweetdeath on July 12, 2012, 04:23:06 PM
Quote from: Tank on July 12, 2012, 08:42:47 AM
Quote from: Sweetdeath on July 12, 2012, 03:55:58 AM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on July 12, 2012, 03:41:38 AM
Quote from: Sweetdeath on July 12, 2012, 01:01:09 AM
those are some sad and pathetic men ::)
I disagree. If someone ate Chinese food every day for the rest of their life, they would probably soon grow tired of it. The same could probably be said for vaginas.
he's looking at them, not having sex with them. There is no excuse, really.
off topic: new icon = <3
Have you not considered the fact that the issue may be that they can't see their wife any more except in the context of just another vagina? And why are you having a go at a group of people who have a recognised problem as simply 'buck your ideas up sunshine; be a man'.
That isn't what i am saying at all. :-[
Beg pardon. My bad.
I understand that people sometimes change and grow apart.
I suppose i just find this article a bit tasteless and a bad excuse.
Keep in mind, a gynecologist doesn't just look at vaginas all day, he or she looks at a lot of sick vaginas, too. Part of the reason we're able to find something arousing is because there's a bit of intrigue or excitement attached to it. And I think human sexuality is a lot more complicated than human desire for food - we have to eat to live, so hunger will pretty much always win out at the end. We don't need sex to live and what "turns us on" can be pretty mutable, I think. And our turn-ons aren't always exactly within our control.
If I examined 72,000 penis' (a rough estimate based on a doctor looking at 5 a day, 5 days a week, 48 weeks a year, for 30 years) in various states of health, I really can't say how I'd feel about them sexually. Maybe I'd still find a way to get excited about them, but if I couldn't, I don't think that'd make me a bad person or a bad wife.
I can totally understand how a gynecologist could get bored of there wife's vagina, I can also understand how a husband and wife could get bored of each other sexually in general, even if they still madly love each other and regardless of being a gynecologist or working in an industry that deals with the body.
I've seen a lot of penises and vaginas in my line of work, but I don't think it's affected my ability to be aroused by ones that I like. Wonder if women have an easier time compartmentalizing work and pleasure. I can imagine that if my (fictional) gynecologist-husband came home from work having had his face 6 inches from unhappy vulvas all day, he might be less enamored by the idea of doing similar to mine. There should be another study of lesbian gynecologists, just to see if there's a gender difference.
Quote from: Dobermonster on July 12, 2012, 06:38:06 PM
I've seen a lot of penises and vaginas in my line of work,
What the heck job do you have? If you don't mind my asking.
QuoteI can imagine that if my (fictional) gynecologist-husband came home from work having had his face 6 inches from unhappy vulvas all day, he might be less enamored by the idea of doing similar to mine.
I understand this part of it. I crunch numbers and write reports all day, and there are days when I just can't do that anymore after I leave the office, even tho I have bills begging to be paid. That's just another kind of number crunching as far as I'm concerned.
What I'm having a hard time with is the idea of turning down an orgasm because you don't want to look at or, presumably, touch any more pussy after a tiring day at the ob-gyn office. I've spent most of my sex life getting naked with other women and even I don't have to look at or touch (with my hands) a pussy to get the job done. There are all kinds of ways of taking this ride, is what I'm saying.
Personally, I have to agree that if a gyn dr. is a straight male and goes right off sex with women because of his job, there's more going on than just his line of work.
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Quote from: Dobermonster on July 12, 2012, 06:38:06 PM
I've seen a lot of penises and vaginas in my line of work,
What the heck job do you have? If you don't mind my asking.
Co-ed Prostitution.
Nah, I'm a Licensed Practical Nurse.
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I understand this part of it. I crunch numbers and write reports all day, and there are days when I just can't do that anymore after I leave the office, even tho I have bills begging to be paid. That's just another kind of number crunching as far as I'm concerned.
What I'm having a hard time with is the idea of turning down an orgasm because you don't want to look at or, presumably, touch any more pussy after a tiring day at the ob-gyn office. I've spent most of my sex life getting naked with other women and even I don't have to look at or touch (with my hands) a pussy to get the job done. There are all kinds of ways of taking this ride, is what I'm saying.
Personally, I have to agree that if a gyn dr. is a straight male and goes right off sex with women because of his job, there's more going on than just his line of work.
That part I don't understand either. It would take a *lot* for me to turn down an orgasm. :P Then again, I'm discussing a study I haven't even read yet.
Edit: Attributed quotation - Tank
Quote from: Dobermonster on July 12, 2012, 06:38:06 PM
Nah, I'm a Licensed Practical Nurse.
I hope you're on a higher pay grade than the Impractical Nurses.