A little girl (7 years old) was gunned-down in Chicago as she was selling lemonade.
Gawd...what a story!
It seems, it "just happened" because no reason is given - or even expected.
All we are told is Gang - Little Girl - Death - No Reason.
Seriously, does anyone believe this?
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/06/29/ministers-urge-people-to-turn-in-gunman-who-killed-girl-7/
I smell a rat in the woodpile: there is something more to this that people are talking about.
One thug shot at another, and managed to kill an innocent bystander. I don't see any mystery here. Personally, I don't think having your 7 year old daughter out operating a lemonade stand at 10:40 PM is a great choice, but that doesn't excuse the person who killed her.
Quote from: Recusant on June 29, 2012, 10:59:35 PM
One thug shot at another, and managed to kill an innocent bystander. I don't see any mystery here. Personally, I don't think having your 7 year old daughter out operating a lemonade stand at 10:40 PM is a great choice, but that doesn't excuse the person who killed her.
I don't know where you got that info - it may be true...I just don't know.
Here's some more info, and it seems like another guy was hit in the ankle. and it seems like the shooting happened very late at night.
Hmmmm...makes me wonder.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/06/28/girl-7-shot-dead-on-west-side/
From the story linked in the OP:
Quote[The little girl, Heaven] was outside with her mother as they sold lemonade, candy and snacks under a canopy set up in front of their home. Two men opened fire around 10:40 p.m. Wednesday, and Heaven was struck in the chest.
. . .
The fatal gunshot was fired by a gangbanger who was aiming at a rival who apparently had stopped to buy lemonade.
Police Supt. Garry McCarthy said detectives know which gangs were involved in the shooting, and said he expects them to wrap up the investigation quickly.
Quote from: Recusant on June 29, 2012, 11:11:57 PM
From the story linked in the OP:
Quote[The little girl, Heaven] was outside with her mother as they sold lemonade, candy and snacks under a canopy set up in front of their home. Two men opened fire around 10:40 p.m. Wednesday, and Heaven was struck in the chest.
. . .
The fatal gunshot was fired by a gangbanger who was aiming at a rival who apparently had stopped to buy lemonade.
Police Supt. Garry McCarthy said detectives know which gangs were involved in the shooting, and said he expects them to wrap up the investigation quickly.
Yes...I think you got it.
Nevertheless, I would be damned if I let my child sell lemonade to Recharging "Gang Bangers": don't you see how insane this is? Why should I want to fuel the means of my destruction?
I was understating for ironic effect when I described it as not a great choice, especially considering the mother knew it was a violent neighborhood.
Quote from: Recusant on June 29, 2012, 11:20:39 PM
I was understating for ironic effect when I described it as not a great choice, especially considering the mother knew it was a violent neighborhood.
I agree. You are right.
These things happen:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9167701/Three-guilty-of-Stockwell-shooting-which-left-five-year-old-girl-paralysed.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9167701/Three-guilty-of-Stockwell-shooting-which-left-five-year-old-girl-paralysed.html)
Our major cities also have gangs of half-crazed juvenile criminals indiscriminately firing their handguns.
Chicago has seen a huge increase in the number of murders and shootings recently. Chicago used to have one specific part of town that had housing projects for poor people, on the south side of the city. Most of the worst crime (drugs, shootings, gangs, etc.) were concentrated in that area. The city tried to clean it up by getting rid of the projects, and replacing them with better housing. That sent many of the poor people (and gangs) to scatter into other areas of town. It worked for a little while, but crime has found its way back. Now, the shootings are scattered over a wider area and gain more attention. People notice more than they did when the shootings were a problem down at the projects.
EDIT: doesn't seem like I have a point lol. I guess what I'm saying is that I don't think that a 7 year old girl killed in Chicago by stray gunfire smells of conspiracy. Sounds like she got hit by one of the many bullets flying around the city at any given point in time. Chicago is an example of how extreme gun laws don't stop crime. Gun control laws can help in the fight against crime, but they don't do any good without enforcement.
Quote from: fester30 on June 30, 2012, 12:53:05 PM
EDIT: doesn't seem like I have a point lol. I guess what I'm saying is that I don't think that a 7 year old girl killed in Chicago by stray gunfire smells of conspiracy. Sounds like she got hit by one of the many bullets flying around the city at any given point in time.
And it's sad that you'd be able to say that, isn't it? I know my first reaction, living all my life in LA county, was "well, that's just more of the same".
Gang related violence is terrible. Just another reason i am working hard to move out the country and live in a safer place. I really do want to grow old with my girlfriend, and not worry about these terrible things.
Quote from: Sweetdeath on July 07, 2012, 07:52:57 PM
Gang related violence is terrible. Just another reason i am working hard to move out the country and live in a safer place. I really do want to grow old with my girlfriend, and not worry about these terrible things.
I think every country has some degree of violence. It just depends on the area.
Quote from: Budhorse4 on July 07, 2012, 08:25:49 PM
Quote from: Sweetdeath on July 07, 2012, 07:52:57 PM
Gang related violence is terrible. Just another reason i am working hard to move out the country and live in a safer place. I really do want to grow old with my girlfriend, and not worry about these terrible things.
I think every country has some degree of violence. It just depends on the area.
Yes, i'm sure they do. Which is why i never want to live in a part of that area of any country.
Come and live near us. It's pretty quiet here in the Herefordshire countryside. We did have an invasion by the Welsh, who burned Hereford cathedral, but that was a while ago now. 1055, in fact. We've not had a lot of trouble since.
Quote from: OldGit on July 07, 2012, 08:37:00 PM
Come and live near us. It's pretty quiet here in the Herefordshire countryside. We did have an invasion by the Welsh, who burned Hereford cathedral, but that was a while ago now. 1055, in fact. We've not had a lot of trouble since.
Oooh~
Where are you again , OldGit?
In a little village not far from Hereford, England. That's close to the Welsh border.
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi647.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fuu198%2FRamblingSyd%2Fmap.jpg&hash=cebae15b7e7ff1cdac0dc7356d295bd198f9571e)
Quote from: OldGit on July 07, 2012, 08:56:36 PM
In a little village not far from Hereford, England. That's close to the Welsh border.
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi647.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fuu198%2FRamblingSyd%2Fmap.jpg&hash=cebae15b7e7ff1cdac0dc7356d295bd198f9571e)
*_* oh~
I'm sure i'd love to live near you/in your area!
Quote from: OldGit on July 07, 2012, 08:37:00 PM
Come and live near us. It's pretty quiet here in the Herefordshire countryside. We did have an invasion by the Welsh, who burned Hereford cathedral, but that was a while ago now. 1055, in fact. We've not had a lot of trouble since.
LOL
:P
Before you said the date I was actually wondering if I had heard about something like that happening in the news. A bit too far back, I'm afraid.
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on July 09, 2012, 01:41:44 AM
Quote from: OldGit on July 07, 2012, 08:37:00 PM
Come and live near us. It's pretty quiet here in the Herefordshire countryside. We did have an invasion by the Welsh, who burned Hereford cathedral, but that was a while ago now. 1055, in fact. We've not had a lot of trouble since.
LOL
:P
Before you said the date I was actually wondering if I had heard about something like that happening in the news. A bit too far back, I'm afraid.
I would have been amazed and a bit concerned if you had heard that in the news. :D
It's still news! (http://www.britannia.com/history/herefords/churches/herefordcath.html)
QuoteBy 1012, Bishop Athelstan (vir magnae sanctitatis, according to Florence of Worcester) found the church in a great state of decay and practically rebuilt it. The Bishop, although blind for thirteen years before his death in 1056, directed the affairs of his See with great fervour and it must have been a heavy blow to him when his Cathedral was burned down in 1055 by a Welsh horde who overran the city. The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle says, "They burned the town and the great mynstre, which the venerable Bishop Athelstan had before caused to be built, that they plundered and bereaved of relics and of vestments and of all things and slew the folk and led some away."
But it probably won't happen again - not this week, anyway - so we're a lovely part of the world to come and live.
Quote from: Budhorse4 on July 09, 2012, 02:01:20 AM
I would have been amazed and a bit concerned if you had heard that in the news. :D
I guess so. ???
Quote from: OldGit on July 09, 2012, 09:28:25 AM
It's still news! (http://www.britannia.com/history/herefords/churches/herefordcath.html)
QuoteBy 1012, Bishop Athelstan (vir magnae sanctitatis, according to Florence of Worcester) found the church in a great state of decay and practically rebuilt it. The Bishop, although blind for thirteen years before his death in 1056, directed the affairs of his See with great fervour and it must have been a heavy blow to him when his Cathedral was burned down in 1055 by a Welsh horde who overran the city. The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle says, "They burned the town and the great mynstre, which the venerable Bishop Athelstan had before caused to be built, that they plundered and bereaved of relics and of vestments and of all things and slew the folk and led some away."
But it probably won't happen again - not this week, anyway - so we're a lovely part of the world to come and live.
So it is! :D But then again a bit outdated it seems. When does news become history?
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on July 10, 2012, 02:27:08 AM
So it is! :D But then again a bit outdated it seems. When does news become history?
My policy is when you can tell a joke about said event without getting the stink eye, it counts as history.
QuoteWhen does news become history?
Depends on where you live. Out here, 500 years isn't all that long - at least to a medieval historian and architecture buff like me.
QuoteIn America, 100 years is a long time; in England, 100 miles is a long way.
I'm not sure who originally said that, but there's a lot of truth in it.
Quote from: OldGit on July 10, 2012, 08:49:32 AM
QuoteIn America, 100 years is a long time; in England, 100 miles is a long way.
I'm not sure who originally said that, but there's a lot of truth in it.
Nah we got trains that run regularly I can be at the other end of the country in 2 hours, 4 at the most if I am going end to end. If its by plane I can be in Spain in the same amount of time it takes me to get to London by train and for about the same price.