http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy
Anyone read up on this? I like the idea(I'm a civil engineer, go figure). As an example of potential implications, most government decisions regarding infastructure(Roads bridges etc) would voted on by people with experience and education in that field(Or perhaps their elected representatives) with some means of checks and balances. A high lvl of personal accountability for decision makers would be ideal(Financial disincentives for corruption and lack of reasonable effecincy. Make impeachment much easier by allowing petitions to initiate an all around vote on the matter.).
Seems to me that engineers and real scientists would be a lot harder to snow than your average fox news viewer.
(Edited to correct spelling of thread title. — Recusant)
So your average "Fox News Viewer" would have no say in the government?
Its an interesting idea.
Maybe better than rule by politicians?
Of course, the technocrats would then be politicians.
It's kind of happening already. I mean, how much of our lives does Google dictate these days?
Quote from: AliSo your average "Fox News Viewer" would have no say in the government?
This is an EXCELLENT idea. But I'm not sure how you are going to pull it off.
Quote from: technolud on June 30, 2012, 11:53:06 AM
Quote from: AliSo your average "Fox News Viewer" would have no say in the government?
This is an EXCELLENT idea. But I'm not sure how you are going to pull it off.
Make the voting system so complicated only people with an IQ of 100 can use it.
Quote from: TankMake the voting system so complicated only people with an IQ of 100 can use it.
Preferably jack it up to around 135 + good knowledge of Latin compulsory. One extra vote for each of: Old English, Greek, Old French.
Quote from: OldGit on June 30, 2012, 12:15:38 PM
Quote from: TankMake the voting system so complicated only people with an IQ of 100 can use it.
Preferably jack it up to around 135 + good knowledge of Latin compulsory. One extra vote for each of: Old English, Greek, Old French.
Uh-oh. I'm screwed.
Quote from: OldGit on June 30, 2012, 12:15:38 PM
Quote from: TankMake the voting system so complicated only people with an IQ of 100 can use it.
Preferably jack it up to around 135 + good knowledge of Latin compulsory. One extra vote for each of: Old English, Greek, Old French.
Add
scientifically literate to the list based on a threshold proposed by elite scientists, with a test score to prove it.
Also, people who pay a certain amount of money in taxes (that would leave the poor and religions out of the voting process).
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on June 30, 2012, 01:38:16 PM
Quote from: OldGit on June 30, 2012, 12:15:38 PM
Quote from: TankMake the voting system so complicated only people with an IQ of 100 can use it.
Preferably jack it up to around 135 + good knowledge of Latin compulsory. One extra vote for each of: Old English, Greek, Old French.
Add scientifically literate to the list based on a threshold proposed by elite scientists, with a test score to prove it.
Also, people who pay a certain amount of money in taxes (that would leave the poor and religions out of the voting process).
Hey, we could limit it to land-owners! I think that's a pretty good idea!
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on June 30, 2012, 02:03:24 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on June 30, 2012, 01:38:16 PM
Quote from: OldGit on June 30, 2012, 12:15:38 PM
Quote from: TankMake the voting system so complicated only people with an IQ of 100 can use it.
Preferably jack it up to around 135 + good knowledge of Latin compulsory. One extra vote for each of: Old English, Greek, Old French.
Add scientifically literate to the list based on a threshold proposed by elite scientists, with a test score to prove it.
Also, people who pay a certain amount of money in taxes (that would leave the poor and religions out of the voting process).
Hey, we could limit it to land-owners! I think that's a pretty good idea!
You get the idea ;)
Prometheus, I don't mean to make fun, but these kind of things are a bad idea and don't solve the root problems, only make a wider divide.
It sounds a bit clunky having engineers voting on projects, it could be inefficient, they aren't going to do it for free. Engineers will want more money for building stuff, educators will want more for education, military will want more for toys, doctors will want machines that go bing. The natural order is to have accountants in control denying funds to all, either that or just let Asmo take control.
Quote from: The Magic Pudding on June 30, 2012, 04:04:54 PM
It sounds a bit clunky having engineers voting on projects, it could be inefficient, they aren't going to do it for free. Engineers will want more money for building stuff, educators will want more for education, military will want more for toys, doctors will want machines that go bing. The natural order is to have accountants in control denying funds to all, either that or just let Asmo take control.
Heheh.
But then would accountants be out of a job?
I'd be happy with a system controlled by the Doctor.
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on June 30, 2012, 04:24:10 PM
Heheh.
But then would accountants be out of a job?
I shouldn't think so, accountants are excellent lackeys, who better to measure and record the obeisance of the populace, then report in a timely manner allowing the Grey One to efficiently unleash his wrath on the deserving? Someone has to keep track of all the Asmo merchandising too.
I think the Asmo would be very much pleased with this.
Though doubtless the Asmo also need shepherds aka priests to herd the populace? Such professionals are in high demand these days.
lol, never said the system would be perfect(Such a system is impossible). I think tho, that things would change a lot. Right now the votes of the responsible citizens who bother researching and questioning our leaders motives and actions are drowned out by the more numerous citizens who aren't responsible and make knee jerk decisions based on hype and public opinion.
Democracy/republic is far from perfect itself. By its very nature it promotes oppression of the few by the many(If ideally operated). Contrary to this, the system is so corrupt and the many so ignorant and disorganized that it has instead allowed the few to handily oppreess the many economically :P
Quote from: PrometheusRight now the votes of the responsible citizens who bother researching and questioning our leaders motives and actions are drowned out by the more numerous citizens who aren't responsible and make knee jerk decisions based on hype and public opinion.
I've always said that. One-man-one-vote produces bad politicians and inconsistent policies.
Quote from: OldGit on July 01, 2012, 08:37:42 AM
Quote from: PrometheusRight now the votes of the responsible citizens who bother researching and questioning our leaders motives and actions are drowned out by the more numerous citizens who aren't responsible and make knee jerk decisions based on hype and public opinion.
I've always said that. One-man-one-vote produces bad politicians and inconsistent policies.
On the other hand, disenfranchising a large section of the population is likely to mean their interests will be overlooked and the democratic deficit will either lead to civil disorder or the void being filled by potentially sinister forces.
I suppose that would be a danger, yes. Hmm...
I could see that.
Quote from: OldGit on July 01, 2012, 08:37:42 AM
Quote from: PrometheusRight now the votes of the responsible citizens who bother researching and questioning our leaders motives and actions are drowned out by the more numerous citizens who aren't responsible and make knee jerk decisions based on hype and public opinion.
I've always said that. One-man-one-vote produces bad politicians and inconsistent policies.
This is the problem with all forms of democratic governments. The need to appease the masses leads to very bad policies. Unfortunately failure to listen to them leads to civil unrest.
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on June 30, 2012, 04:52:29 PM
I'd be happy with a system controlled by the Doctor.
Bring it on ;D