Title: "Thou shalt not kill" list
Post by: shoruke on August 23, 2007, 04:00:59 AM
Post by: shoruke on August 23, 2007, 04:00:59 AM
(My first post on this forum, yay)
Growing up where I did, I'm an atheist but I've been exposed to some knowledge of Christianity...
And I hate all the christian hypocrisy I see, especially in the bible. They claim to be the ultimate (or rather, only) morality. Sure, their bible says "thou shalt not kill" in the ten commandments... the other nine WITHOUT EXCEPTION require someone to die if they are disobeyed. WHY???? So, this is MY perception of "thou shalt not kill" the way it is phrased in the bible.
THOU SHALT NOT KILL:
1. Midianites. (That means you, Moses you bastard)
2. Turks (See: crusades)
3. Blasphemers
4. Atheists, or supposed athesist (see: Inquisition)
5. Mosquitos, ants, other common pests
6. Kids in art class, for crying out loud... ("Thou shalt not make any imitation of any thing that is on this earth, in the water, or in the sky", or something like that... it's one of the ten commandments)
7. Livestock
8. That guy in the bible, who was picking up sticks on a sunday and those frickin kids KILLED the poor bugger just for working on a sunday
9.ANYTHING ELSE.
Killing is against my moral code, and surprisingly enough, that makes me a better person than moses in the eyes of his own bible. Ironic, isn't it? Someone tell me what you think.
Growing up where I did, I'm an atheist but I've been exposed to some knowledge of Christianity...
And I hate all the christian hypocrisy I see, especially in the bible. They claim to be the ultimate (or rather, only) morality. Sure, their bible says "thou shalt not kill" in the ten commandments... the other nine WITHOUT EXCEPTION require someone to die if they are disobeyed. WHY???? So, this is MY perception of "thou shalt not kill" the way it is phrased in the bible.
THOU SHALT NOT KILL:
1. Midianites. (That means you, Moses you bastard)
2. Turks (See: crusades)
3. Blasphemers
4. Atheists, or supposed athesist (see: Inquisition)
5. Mosquitos, ants, other common pests
6. Kids in art class, for crying out loud... ("Thou shalt not make any imitation of any thing that is on this earth, in the water, or in the sky", or something like that... it's one of the ten commandments)
7. Livestock
8. That guy in the bible, who was picking up sticks on a sunday and those frickin kids KILLED the poor bugger just for working on a sunday
9.ANYTHING ELSE.
Killing is against my moral code, and surprisingly enough, that makes me a better person than moses in the eyes of his own bible. Ironic, isn't it? Someone tell me what you think.
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Post by: rlrose328 on August 23, 2007, 05:35:20 AM
Post by: rlrose328 on August 23, 2007, 05:35:20 AM
I agree with you completely. :-) Nice post... I got a little chuckle.
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Post by: Amor Fati on August 23, 2007, 03:29:05 PM
Post by: Amor Fati on August 23, 2007, 03:29:05 PM
I enjoy meat too much to agree with you regarding livestock, but even then, number 9 would include plants, so what would we eat? :wink:
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Post by: rlrose328 on August 23, 2007, 08:05:34 PM
Post by: rlrose328 on August 23, 2007, 08:05:34 PM
Oooo... good point. I do enjoy meat... plants are optional. 
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Post by: SteveS on August 23, 2007, 08:29:10 PM
Post by: SteveS on August 23, 2007, 08:29:10 PM
Eh - even I, the simple swiller of fermented malt beverages, am guilty of killing. The little beer yeasts are still living in my homebrew when I consume it.....
Who am I kidding? I really like meat too - screw it, the cows are gonna have to die!
Who am I kidding? I really like meat too - screw it, the cows are gonna have to die!
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Post by: shoruke on August 24, 2007, 12:08:34 AM
Post by: shoruke on August 24, 2007, 12:08:34 AM
I thank you, good people, for responding to my post. This is a very good reason (politically, at any rate) to not be christian.
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Post by: Whitney on August 24, 2007, 03:10:18 AM
Post by: Whitney on August 24, 2007, 03:10:18 AM
Some bibles say you shall not murder...which translation is correct (anyone an expert in dead languages?)
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Post by: tigerlily46514 on August 24, 2007, 03:17:53 AM
Post by: tigerlily46514 on August 24, 2007, 03:17:53 AM
http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/atrocities.html (http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/atrocities.html)
Well, kill or murder, 'god' and his followers did plenty of either one, if there is any difference.......
. Above is a long list of ones who CAN be killed, such as people who pick up sticks on the sabbath.....
Shoruke is right--there is a ton of hypocrisy in that bible!!!!!
Well, kill or murder, 'god' and his followers did plenty of either one, if there is any difference.......
. Above is a long list of ones who CAN be killed, such as people who pick up sticks on the sabbath.....
Shoruke is right--there is a ton of hypocrisy in that bible!!!!!
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Post by: rlrose328 on August 24, 2007, 04:43:38 AM
Post by: rlrose328 on August 24, 2007, 04:43:38 AM
I was just having this conversation (kill vs. murder in the 10Cs) with the hubby the other day. I believe it's "murder" because then all the other killings, as in war or sacrifice to god, are allowable as moral and ethical (in THEIR book, anyway). We don't know for sure... but it made sense to us from a religious standpoint.
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Post by: tigerlily46514 on August 24, 2007, 05:00:52 AM
Post by: tigerlily46514 on August 24, 2007, 05:00:52 AM
ah! now i understand.
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Post by: rlrose328 on August 24, 2007, 05:14:23 AM
Post by: rlrose328 on August 24, 2007, 05:14:23 AM
Now that's just a GUESS on our part... But I have some recollection of having this conversation with my mom when I was a teen (and doubting BIG TIME) because my dad was AF and was in the Vietnam war. How can he justify being in a war where we were killing people and still hold the 10Cs... I believe that was her explanation. But your religious mileage may vary. :p
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Post by: SteveS on August 24, 2007, 05:58:09 PM
Post by: SteveS on August 24, 2007, 05:58:09 PM
Quote from: "laetusatheos"(anyone an expert in dead languages?)Haha! Certainly not me. English is hard enough that its become a lifelong pursuit of mine to hopefully master it one day.....and I'm getting behind. I can't understand what the hell the rap "singers" are saying :?
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Post by: MommaSquid on August 24, 2007, 06:25:44 PM
Post by: MommaSquid on August 24, 2007, 06:25:44 PM
Quote from: "Amor Fati"I enjoy meat too much to agree with you regarding livestock, but even then, number 9 would include plants, so what would we eat? :wink:
Twinkies!
I don't think there is any actual food in a Twinkie, so we should be safe. Of course we'd all get scurvy and die a horrible, painful death but we wouldn't piss off the almighty. :roll:
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Post by: Whitney on August 25, 2007, 12:29:07 AM
Post by: Whitney on August 25, 2007, 12:29:07 AM
Quote from: "rlrose328"Now that's just a GUESS on our part... But I have some recollection of having this conversation with my mom when I was a teen (and doubting BIG TIME) because my dad was AF and was in the Vietnam war. How can he justify being in a war where we were killing people and still hold the 10Cs... I believe that was her explanation. But your religious mileage may vary. :p
Well, if it was originally "thou shall not kill" then that adds another big contradiction to the religion. I have heard someone say before that it was changed to murder to avoid this issue. However, that doesn't mean that is really what happened. Thouh shall not murder is so much less strict than thou shall not kill....if you aren't supposed to murder that just means you have restrictions on what and who you kill.
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Post by: shoruke on August 25, 2007, 01:18:35 AM
Post by: shoruke on August 25, 2007, 01:18:35 AM
twinkies... LOL, I love it, this just became my favorite forum...
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Post by: Merc on November 03, 2007, 03:03:46 PM
Post by: Merc on November 03, 2007, 03:03:46 PM
"we must kill in the name of our lord!!" -pope innocent II
"but its against the commandments!"
".....GOD FORGIVES ALL (ecsept muslums, hindu's, non believers, whores ect ect)
"but its against the commandments!"
".....GOD FORGIVES ALL (ecsept muslums, hindu's, non believers, whores ect ect)
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Post by: Lindsey_Mcfarren on March 26, 2008, 08:07:37 PM
Post by: Lindsey_Mcfarren on March 26, 2008, 08:07:37 PM
Quote from: "shoruke"twinkies... LOL, I love it, this just became my favorite forum...
YES the 10 commandments does say "Thou Shalt Not Kill", however the old testament also states "An eye for an eye". So figure that one out. The bible is full of contradictions making it imposible for anyone to follow.
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Post by: pjkeeley on March 27, 2008, 09:22:33 AM
Post by: pjkeeley on March 27, 2008, 09:22:33 AM
QuoteYES the 10 commandments does say "Thou Shalt Not Kill", however the old testament also states "An eye for an eye". So figure that one out. The bible is full of contradictions making it imposible for anyone to follow.Eh, to be fair, I read that a more accurate translation of the original is "thou shalt not murder." Execution wasn't considered murder.
But I agree that otherwise the Bible is full of inconsistencies and you don't have to look very hard to find them.
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Post by: rational liberal on March 27, 2008, 11:58:08 PM
Post by: rational liberal on March 27, 2008, 11:58:08 PM
It's thou shalt not murder, at least, in the bible that I've read. Personally, I believe that killing is not wrong per se. To me, it depends on what the circumstances are. In war, for example I believe that killing is justified.