The "won't somebody please think of the children?" prudery is strong in Michigan.
"Saying 'vagina' got me fired, Battle Creek middle school teacher says" |
Detroit Free Press (http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2016/04/26/teacher-says-vagina-in-class-battle-creek-vword/83571076/)
QuoteVagina. It's a noun describing female anatomy that caused such outrage in the Michigan Legislature in 2012 that a legislator was blocked from speaking after using it.
Now, a substitute teacher says using it got her fired from a Battle Creek middle school after she said it in an art history lecture.
Allison Wint, who had been teaching art at Harper Creek Middle School since January, says she was speaking about a broader topic of controversy in art when she held up reproductions of paintings by Georgia O'Keefe, some of which have been seen as erotic.
At some point, Wint remembers saying: "Imagine walking into a gallery when [O'Keefe] was first showing her pieces, and thinking, 'Am I actually seeing vaginas here, am I a pervert? I'm either a pervert or this woman was a pervert.' "
She was hoping to have a thoughtful dialogue with a class of about two dozen eighth-graders on Thursday – but school officials have said her lesson ran afoul of policies.
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Or maybe it's something in the water in Battle Creek. It was the home of John Harvey Kellogg, who invented corn flakes as a way of helping in the prevention of masturbation (http://mentalfloss.com/article/32042/corn-flakes-were-invented-part-anti-masturbation-crusade).
It serves her right. She should have used the word cunt instead ;).
Huh. Maybe that's why my senior sociology teacher was afraid to talk about anything remotely pertaining to sex.
Which made for a fucking boring sociology class.
This happened in my home state, and the story has been in the news quite a bit today...was the prime discussion on the radio show this morning on my way into work...now the school district is coming out saying, "Teacher's firing wasn't for saying "vagina"... (http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2016/04/27/teacher-vagina-battle-creek-firing/83599410/)
Which is of course bullshit...what is equally or even more disturbing is the number of folks, both online and on the radio who didn't really disagree with the firing, or made shitty misogynist or homophobic comments about the teacher, or who immediately politicized the story, like this fuck wad.
Commentator Charles Brown
Note the speed at which the vaginal/politician Lisa Brown jumped on the story, with the ever-compliant Free Press quickly joining in, and with a re-broadcasting of Ms. Brown's Tweet. This isn't news. This is social media for Michigan Democrats.
So would this happen in any other western country besides ours? Seriously, can you Brits or Norwegians or Brazilians or whatever see this happening where you are? Or am I right in thinking this happened because we're still uptight prudes when it comes to sex and naked bodies?
I'm teaching my Year 7s the reproduction topic in biology at the moment, so they're age 11-12. The first lesson with them I actually get them to think of as many words as they know for the various parts as possible to get them all out of their system so for 5-mins I actually let them say anything they wanted including c*nt if they came up with it. Then we have a rule from then on the only words allowed are scientific names like penis, scrotum and vagina. They get tested on the reproductive system alongside all the other systems of the body so it's treated in the same way, as a part of the body which it is!
Maybe she was reported by a stickler for accuracy? I can remember a lot of O'Keefe paintings that resembled vulvas, but none that looked like vaginas.
Sausage wallet, is a good one.
Quote from: No one on April 28, 2016, 01:16:23 AM
Sausage wallet, is a good one.
Too limiting! The vag can do so much more than that.
(and it's still not what O'Keefe was depicting)
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on April 27, 2016, 11:00:30 PM
Maybe she was reported by a stickler for accuracy? I can remember a lot of O'Keefe paintings that resembled vulvas, but none that looked like vaginas.
I agree with you. Her paintings resemble vulvas, and not vaginas. Well, they resemble the labia majora and labia minora, clitoris, clitoral hood, and the external openings of the urethra and vagina.
I'm sorry if I just made someone faint with all those words. :eyeroll:
When I saw the title, I thought this was about not saying the V word, "Vegan." :P
Quote from: Magdalena on April 28, 2016, 02:51:43 AM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on April 27, 2016, 11:00:30 PM
Maybe she was reported by a stickler for accuracy? I can remember a lot of O'Keefe paintings that resembled vulvas, but none that looked like vaginas.
I agree with you. Her paintings resemble vulvas, and not vaginas. Well, they resemble the labia majora and labia minora, clitoris, clitoral hood, and the external openings of the urethra and vagina.
I'm sorry if I just made someone faint with all those words. :eyeroll:
Nah, you're not in a public schoolroom where they're fine with demolishing the separation of church and state but can't handle mention of human anatomy.
Quote from: Firebird on April 27, 2016, 10:06:31 PM
So would this happen in any other western country besides ours? Seriously, can you Brits or Norwegians or Brazilians or whatever see this happening where you are? Or am I right in thinking this happened because we're still uptight prudes when it comes to sex and naked bodies?
I would be very surprised if that happened here in Norway.
Quote from: Firebird on April 27, 2016, 10:06:31 PM
So would this happen in any other western country besides ours? Seriously, can you Brits or Norwegians or Brazilians or whatever see this happening where you are? Or am I right in thinking this happened because we're still uptight prudes when it comes to sex and naked bodies?
I think there maybe isolated pockets of prudeness here and there especially where the ultra religious are, but in general, no, I don't think so.
I'm not aware of any cases that got media attention.
What really gets me is the irony of hand-wringing over "won't somebody please think of the children!" When we know for a fact that teaching children cutesy names for gentalia and avoiding the subject as if it's bad and shameful makes them easier victims for sexual preditors.
I know this may be slightly off topic, but since it does have something to do with vaginas I thought I would post it here.
This morning one of the local radio stations played an on-air gag on this woman. They called her claiming to be from a local spa, and were informing her that her husband had made arrangements for her to receive an afternoon of treatments at the spa as a Mother's Day gift, and they were calling her to set the appointment.
At first she was extremely excited about her gift, and couldn't say enough about what a wonderful man her husband was to set this up.
They started to explain the treatment to her, which would start off with her enjoying a hot herbal tea in the relaxation room, dressed in one of their plush robes, and listening to soothing music.
After a brief stay in this room should would go into one of the private rooms were she would receive an light all-over body massage, including a facial, before they moved on to the main treatment.
She asked what the main treatment would be and they said, "A vaginal steam", and she replied," Excuse me a what? Did you say a vaginal steam"?
They confirmed and proceeded to tell her all of the benefits of the steam, and how they are all the rage and that even Gwyneth Paltrow recommends a to-do for your hoo-ha maintenance checklist, the Vaginal or V-steam.
This lady wasn't haven't any of this, and started to rail against the DJ on the call who was pretending to be from the spa, how this could be just as damaging as regular douching, and could mess up her good bacteria down there, and the heck with Gwyneth Paltrow.
As she started to get more upset the guy on the phone really started to mess with her especially when she said she didn't want the V-Steam and would rather trade it for a different treatment, with him finally saying something like, " Excuse me ma'am, but your husband specifically order this treatment, as he stated that the smells originating down there weren't too pleasant, and a V-Steam was really in order for you".
At this point she lost it, and they had to bleep out a couple words before finally letting her in on the gag, which although she sounded relieved to find out was a gag, still seemed to be somewhat pissed off at not only the guy on the radio, but especially her husband. I think if he was listening he may regret playing this gag on his wife, not sure I would want to be him when she got home that night.
I don't normally listen to these gags, but this one caught my attention. Anyway, the whole V-Steam thing is ludicrous, but it does strangely seem to be growing in popularity.
Well, I just had to find out if this was really a thing, so I googled "vagina steam Gwyneth Paltow". Thankfully I wasn't at work, though FSM help me if I die and someone looks at my google history. Yup, this is really a thing. According to one article warning what a terrible idea this was, the same spa she recommends also has an "A-cleaning" for men (you can guess what orifice they're referring to). No thank you, I'm already full of enough hot air.
I will say that I find it a shame that these asshole DJ's played on this woman's insecurity of how her vagina smells. I've noticed a lot of women are insecure about that, which is an unfortunate form of body shaming IMO.
Quote from: Bruno de la Pole on April 29, 2016, 02:35:02 AM
I know this may be slightly off topic, but since it does have something to do with vaginas I thought I would post it here.
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Yeah, I think this may be slightly off topic, and it does have something to do with vaginas, but it's one thing to say the word, vagina, and another to smell a vagina. Maybe this can be discussed in the health thread? If I had vaginal scent issues, the doctor and my partner would be the only ones I would talk to about it.
A lot of women share their vaginal scent insecurities with just anyone? Really? :???:
Quote from: Magdalena on April 29, 2016, 05:20:06 AM
Quote from: Bruno de la Pole on April 29, 2016, 02:35:02 AM
I know this may be slightly off topic, but since it does have something to do with vaginas I thought I would post it here.
.....
Yeah, I think this may be slightly off topic, and it does have something to do with vaginas, but it's one thing to say the word, vagina, and another to smell a vagina. Maybe this can be discussed in the health thread? If I had vaginal scent issues, the doctor and my partner would be the only ones I would talk to about it.
A lot of women share their vaginal scent insecurities with just anyone? Really? :???:
If you feel it best this moved to another thread, than please do so. My thought when posting my comment below wasn't to discuss vaginal scent issues, but to point out how many people ( I'm really just talking about "the Mens here") still treat it as something foreign and unknown, a subject best not talked about in the open. Most men I think don't even have a clue as to what the vagina actually is, and when you try to broach the subject with them act indifferent or even disgusted.
For every conversation I've had with men regarding women in the military and allowing them a role in armed combat (Which I wholeheartedly agree with, and have discussed widely) at some point the subject of vaginas comes up in the discussion, every single time.
Try it, mention women and be allowing ground combat roles in the military, and they'll come back and say things about vaginal discharge (Which is normal right, so what?), or you can't wade through waste high swamp water with those "V" things, the dirty water will get inside, etc...all of it based on ignorance.
Anyway I thought the radio gag which was a horrible joke to play on the air with someone in the first place, and the subject of V-Steam further proof that discussions of vaginas are still relatively taboo in our American society, and that they are still seen by many men as something dirty and broken.
Anyway I'm a guy obviously, so this may not be my place to comment in such detail, and I'm in no way trying to mansplain vaginas to women or double down on my comment below, only wanted to be clear in my attention for posting the comment in the first place.
Quote from: Magdalena on April 29, 2016, 05:20:06 AM
Quote from: Bruno de la Pole on April 29, 2016, 02:35:02 AM
I know this may be slightly off topic, but since it does have something to do with vaginas I thought I would post it here.
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Yeah, I think this may be slightly off topic, and it does have something to do with vaginas, but it's one thing to say the word, vagina, and another to smell a vagina. Maybe this can be discussed in the health thread? If I had vaginal scent issues, the doctor and my partner would be the only ones I would talk to about it.
A lot of women share their vaginal scent insecurities with just anyone? Really? :???:
I didn't mean to make anyone uncomfortable there, if I did I apologize. I wasn't trying to presume anything, it was an observation on my part.
Quote from: Firebird on April 29, 2016, 03:11:08 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on April 29, 2016, 05:20:06 AM
Quote from: Bruno de la Pole on April 29, 2016, 02:35:02 AM
I know this may be slightly off topic, but since it does have something to do with vaginas I thought I would post it here.
.....
Yeah, I think this may be slightly off topic, and it does have something to do with vaginas, but it's one thing to say the word, vagina, and another to smell a vagina. Maybe this can be discussed in the health thread? If I had vaginal scent issues, the doctor and my partner would be the only ones I would talk to about it.
A lot of women share their vaginal scent insecurities with just anyone? Really? :???:
I didn't mean to make anyone uncomfortable there, if I did I apologize. I wasn't trying to presume anything, it was an observation on my part.
Are you talking to me? I'm not uncomfortable talking about about anything that has to do with a vagina. I just think some topics are private.
You said, "I've noticed a lot of women are insecure about that." You are either a gynecologist, or you've been with a lot of women who feel this way. In my whole life, I've only talked about vaginal scent once with someone who wasn't my husband or a doctor-- and it was a man who started the topic. (Well, this is the second time). Maybe it is something men like to talk about, I don't know, I don't think it's a common topic amongst a lot women. We know vaginal scent changes due to many things, specially due to the menstrual cycle, it's no big deal.
I don't care if this conversation stays here, or it's move to the health thread, maybe some people need to talk about their vaginal scents with everyone, and others need to know, that's fine with me.
Quote from: Bruno de la Pole on April 29, 2016, 02:06:14 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on April 29, 2016, 05:20:06 AM
Quote from: Bruno de la Pole on April 29, 2016, 02:35:02 AM
I know this may be slightly off topic, but since it does have something to do with vaginas I thought I would post it here.
.....
Yeah, I think this may be slightly off topic, and it does have something to do with vaginas, but it's one thing to say the word, vagina, and another to smell a vagina. Maybe this can be discussed in the health thread? If I had vaginal scent issues, the doctor and my partner would be the only ones I would talk to about it.
A lot of women share their vaginal scent insecurities with just anyone? Really? :???:
If you feel it best this moved to another thread, than please do so. My thought when posting my comment below wasn't to discuss vaginal scent issues, but to point out how many people ( I'm really just talking about "the Mens here") still treat it as something foreign and unknown, a subject best not talked about in the open. Most men I think don't even have a clue as to what the vagina actually is, and when you try to broach the subject with them act indifferent or even disgusted.
For every conversation I've had with men regarding women in the military and allowing them a role in armed combat (Which I wholeheartedly agree with, and have discussed widely) at some point the subject of vaginas comes up in the discussion, every single time.
Try it, mention women and be allowing ground combat roles in the military, and they'll come back and say things about vaginal discharge (Which is normal right, so what?), or you can't wade through waste high swamp water with those "V" things, the dirty water will get inside, etc...all of it based on ignorance.
Anyway I thought the radio gag which was a horrible joke to play on the air with someone in the first place, and the subject of V-Steam further proof that discussions of vaginas are still relatively taboo in our American society, and that they are still seen by many men as something dirty and broken.
Anyway I'm a guy obviously, so this may not be my place to comment in such detail, and I'm in no way trying to mansplain vaginas to women or double down on my comment below, only wanted to be clear in my attention for posting the comment in the first place.
QuoteMost men I think don't even have a clue as to what the vagina actually
Some women don't have a clue as to what the vagina actually is, either. ;D
I guess men are curious about it and we should talk about it more.
Quote from: Magdalena on April 29, 2016, 04:54:26 PM
Quote from: Bruno de la Pole on April 29, 2016, 02:06:14 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on April 29, 2016, 05:20:06 AM
Quote from: Bruno de la Pole on April 29, 2016, 02:35:02 AM
I know this may be slightly off topic, but since it does have something to do with vaginas I thought I would post it here.
.....
Yeah, I think this may be slightly off topic, and it does have something to do with vaginas, but it's one thing to say the word, vagina, and another to smell a vagina. Maybe this can be discussed in the health thread? If I had vaginal scent issues, the doctor and my partner would be the only ones I would talk to about it.
A lot of women share their vaginal scent insecurities with just anyone? Really? :???:
If you feel it best this moved to another thread, than please do so. My thought when posting my comment below wasn't to discuss vaginal scent issues, but to point out how many people ( I'm really just talking about "the Mens here") still treat it as something foreign and unknown, a subject best not talked about in the open. Most men I think don't even have a clue as to what the vagina actually is, and when you try to broach the subject with them act indifferent or even disgusted.
For every conversation I've had with men regarding women in the military and allowing them a role in armed combat (Which I wholeheartedly agree with, and have discussed widely) at some point the subject of vaginas comes up in the discussion, every single time.
Try it, mention women and be allowing ground combat roles in the military, and they'll come back and say things about vaginal discharge (Which is normal right, so what?), or you can't wade through waste high swamp water with those "V" things, the dirty water will get inside, etc...all of it based on ignorance.
Anyway I thought the radio gag which was a horrible joke to play on the air with someone in the first place, and the subject of V-Steam further proof that discussions of vaginas are still relatively taboo in our American society, and that they are still seen by many men as something dirty and broken.
Anyway I'm a guy obviously, so this may not be my place to comment in such detail, and I'm in no way trying to mansplain vaginas to women or double down on my comment below, only wanted to be clear in my attention for posting the comment in the first place.
QuoteMost men I think don't even have a clue as to what the vagina actually
Some women don't have a clue as to what the vagina actually is, either. ;D
I guess men are curious about it and we should talk about it more.
How about that NFL draft yesterday, pretty exciting stuff wasn't it?
What do ya think Mags, will Connor Cook from MSU go first in the 2nd round picks today?
:lol:
I don't know, Bruno, that's something you should discuss only with someone who loves you very much.
I guess we can talk about it without getting personal: ;)
http://www.bustle.com/articles/64679-does-my-vagina-smell-healthy-5-common-vaginal-odors-explained (http://www.bustle.com/articles/64679-does-my-vagina-smell-healthy-5-common-vaginal-odors-explained)
I would beyond pissed off about the radio joke. Way crossing a line on the DJs part. I generally hate that type of joke, though, as it relies on getting someone mad or upset which just isn't funny to me.
I personally don't feel any particular insecurities about my vagina - anyone worried about (or willing to give grief about) the smell has clearly never smelled a pair of balls at the end of the day. But I wouldn't bring it up, because it will invariably be met by snickers and jokes about tuna, which is just aggravating.
Quote from: Pasta Chick on April 29, 2016, 05:47:25 PM
I would beyond pissed off about the radio joke. Way crossing a line on the DJs part. I generally hate that type of joke, though, as it relies on getting someone mad or upset which just isn't funny to me.
I personally don't feel any particular insecurities about my vagina - anyone worried about (or willing to give grief about) the smell has clearly never smelled a pair of balls at the end of the day. But I wouldn't bring it up, because it will invariably be met by snickers and jokes about tuna, which is just aggravating.
That's exactly what the conversation was about with this guy I told you about--fish smelling vaginas. ::) I said to him, "I don't know who you're sleeping with, but not all women's vagina smells like fish, if her vagina smells like fish she probably has an infection." He remained quiet for a second, thinking about it.
I move that we discuss the aroma of orchids, instead. Wonderful floral bouquet, rich nose, light finish.
Since we have now moved on to flowers, I must say, watching a woman plant tulips is a beautiful thing.
Quote from: No one on April 29, 2016, 08:16:04 PM
Since we have now moved on to flowers, I must say, watching a woman plant tulips is a beautiful thing.
:tellmemore:
Quote from: Magdalena on April 29, 2016, 05:59:01 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on April 29, 2016, 05:47:25 PM
I would beyond pissed off about the radio joke. Way crossing a line on the DJs part. I generally hate that type of joke, though, as it relies on getting someone mad or upset which just isn't funny to me.
I personally don't feel any particular insecurities about my vagina - anyone worried about (or willing to give grief about) the smell has clearly never smelled a pair of balls at the end of the day. But I wouldn't bring it up, because it will invariably be met by snickers and jokes about tuna, which is just aggravating.
That's exactly what the conversation was about with this guy I told you about--fish smelling vaginas. ::) I said to him, "I don't know who you're sleeping with, but not all women's vagina smells like fish, if her vagina smells like fish she probably has an infection." He remained quiet for a second, thinking about it.
I once had a little thing going with a woman whose vagina did have sort of a fishy odor to it.
But she did work in a fish smokey and had a distinct aroma of smoked cod all over, so it might be a special case. ;D
You know what is super cool about this forum? There are subjects that we can discuss without getting too much bent out of shape. Apparently nothing is sacred, which is feeble pun.
Quote from: Icarus on May 07, 2016, 03:37:21 AM
You know what is super cool about this forum? There are subjects that we can discuss without getting too much bent out of shape. Apparently nothing is sacred, which is feeble pun.
I don't think I can agree with you Icarus, at least not until we have a separate thread and discussion about the "
PENIS'.
Quote from: Bruno de la Pole on May 07, 2016, 04:19:46 AM
Quote from: Icarus on May 07, 2016, 03:37:21 AM
You know what is super cool about this forum? There are subjects that we can discuss without getting too much bent out of shape. Apparently nothing is sacred, which is feeble pun.
I don't think I can agree with you Icarus, at least not until we have a separate thread and discussion about the "PENIS'.
Oh!
Bruno, he has his own thread, don't you know? :smileshake:
Duke of Bullshit: "The" Donald
http://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=14128.0
Please continue with the "
PENIS'. discussion.
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Quote from: Magdalena on May 07, 2016, 04:37:43 AM
Please continue with the "PENIS'. discussion.
What is your favorite type of penis and why?
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on May 07, 2016, 09:44:09 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on May 07, 2016, 04:37:43 AM
Please continue with the "PENIS'. discussion.
What is your favorite type of penis and why?
I'm not sure what "type of penis" means. What types are there? I guess one that does what it's supposed to is a favorable one? :shrug:
What is
your favorite type of penis and why?
Quote from: Magdalena on May 07, 2016, 11:49:24 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on May 07, 2016, 09:44:09 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on May 07, 2016, 04:37:43 AM
Please continue with the "PENIS'. discussion.
What is your favorite type of penis and why?
I'm not sure what "type of penis" means. What types are there? I guess one that does what it's supposed to is a favorable one? :shrug:
What is your favorite type of penis and why?
I was leaving the door open for a creative answer on your part.
My favorite type is "mine" because it's the only one I've got.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on May 08, 2016, 01:40:49 AM
Quote from: Magdalena on May 07, 2016, 11:49:24 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on May 07, 2016, 09:44:09 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on May 07, 2016, 04:37:43 AM
Please continue with the "PENIS'. discussion.
What is your favorite type of penis and why?
I'm not sure what "type of penis" means. What types are there? I guess one that does what it's supposed to is a favorable one? :shrug:
What is your favorite type of penis and why?
I was leaving the door open for a creative answer on your part.
My favorite type is "mine" because it's the only one I've got.
Creative, or pornographic? :eyebrow:
I thought my answer was creative. :shrug:
I prefer them circumcised, as it gives them an identity, because without the cut it's seem like they have no face, no personality, very dull.
It's like a looking at a martian, but hey, that's me.
Quote from: Bruno de la Pole on May 08, 2016, 03:16:27 AM
I prefer them circumcised, as it gives them an identity, because without the cut it's seem like they have no face, no personality, very dull.
It's like a looking at a martian, but hey, that's me.
Have to agree. It's like pulling off a mask - it reveals the true essence.