Arizona, you are on The List, for this and many other reasons (how about that whole "Papers please" bullshit you passed a couple of years ago?)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/14/arizona-birth-control-bill-contraception-medical-reasons_n_1344557.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/14/arizona-birth-control-bill-contraception-medical-reasons_n_1344557.html)
QuoteArizona legislators have advanced an unprecedented bill that would require women who wish to have their contraception covered by their health insurance plans to prove to their employers that they are taking it to treat medical conditions. The bill also makes it easier for Arizona employers to fire a woman for using birth control to prevent pregnancy despite the employer's moral objection.
Under current law, health plans in Arizona that cover other prescription medications must also cover contraception. House Bill 2625, which the state House of Representatives passed earlier this month and the Senate Judiciary Committee endorsed on Monday, repeals that law and allows any employer to refuse to cover contraception that will be used "for contraceptive, abortifacient, abortion or sterilization purposes." If a woman wants the cost of her contraception covered, she has to "submit a claim" to her employer providing evidence of a medical condition, such as endometriosis or polycystic ovarian syndrome, that can be treated with birth control.
Moreover, according to the American Civil Liberties Union, the law would give Arizona employers the green light to fire a woman upon finding out that she took birth control for the purpose of preventing pregnancy.
"The bill goes beyond guaranteeing a person's rights to express and practice their faith," Anjali Abraham, a lobbyist for the ACLU, told the Senate panel, "and instead lets employers prioritize their beliefs over the beliefs, the interests, the needs of their employees, in this case, particularly, female employees."
The sponsor of the bill told the committee that it is intended to protect the First Amendment right to religious liberty.
"I believe we live in America," said Majority Whip Debbie Lesko (R-Glendale), who sponsored the bill. "We don't live in the Soviet Union. So, government should not be telling the organizations or mom-and-pop employers to do something against their moral beliefs."
Lesko's bill resembles recent efforts on the federal level to repeal the Obama administration's contraception mandate, which requires most employers to cover contraception with no co-pay for their employees. Obama's rule has a broad religious exemption that allows faith-based organizations to opt out of covering birth control and shifts the burden of coverage over to the insurer in those cases. But many conservatives, including Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.), are not satisfied with the exemption and believe all employers should be able to opt out of covering any kind of health service to which they morally object.
Lesko's bill is different from the controversial amendment Blunt proposed, in that it differentiates between birth control used for medical reasons and birth control used to prevent pregnancy. If the new law goes into effect, it will force female employees who can't afford to pay full price for birth control to share private, sometimes embarrassing medical information with her employer in order to get her prescription covered.
Lisa Love, a Glendale, Ariz., resident, testified before the committee about her polycystic ovarian syndrome in order to make a point about how private and personal the issue can be.
"I wouldn't mind showing my employer my medical records," she said, "but there are ten women behind me that would be ashamed to do so."
The bill now moves to the state Senate for a full vote.
Bonus Stupidity Points go to Ms. Lesko for comparing forcing employers to pay for normal health insurance benefits for women to "the Soviet Union" (apparently nobody told this lady that the USSR dissolved in 1991 and is no longer an apt metaphor. And that the Cold War has been over for a long ass time and we're not enemies anymore.) and making the tired old argument that if Xtians aren't allowed to force their beliefs on others, their religious liberty is being taken away.
Arizona, you are on The List.
Yes, because whether a worker likes sex is definitely the "moral" concern of her boss. Can't have all those loose women running around thwarting the will of God! They should be... having babies?
This whole thing reminds me of this Sarah Haskins "target women" segment. (for those who haven't seen her, she mocks all of the ridiculous marketing that's directed towards women. And it's funny.)
http://youtu.be/8oDyCx3A6Ao (http://youtu.be/8oDyCx3A6Ao)
The way to deal with this is a country wide boycott of any medical insurance company that offers such a policy.
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on March 29, 2012, 04:55:52 PM
Yes, because whether a worker likes sex is definitely the "moral" concern of her boss. Can't have all those loose women running around thwarting the will of God! They should be... having babies?
This whole thing reminds me of this Sarah Haskins "target women" segment. (for those who haven't seen her, she mocks all of the ridiculous marketing that's directed towards women. And it's funny.)
http://youtu.be/8oDyCx3A6Ao (http://youtu.be/8oDyCx3A6Ao)
Happy Period Control!
Wow, I am so disgusted and fed up with this self proclaimed "first world" country. This place isnt suitable for a life for my girlfriend and I.
Women's rights just seems to keep going backwards. And if one more theist says that religion is harmless, i'm going to drop kick them.
Because look how "harmless" a 2000 year old myth and its followers are.
((sorry, having a bad day xD... This just made me rage a bit))
Quote from: Sweetdeath on March 29, 2012, 07:21:37 PM
And if one more theist says that religion is harmless, i'm going to drop kick them.
Religion is harmless.
It's people that make things...
Quote from: AnimatedDirt on March 29, 2012, 07:25:28 PM
Quote from: Sweetdeath on March 29, 2012, 07:21:37 PM
And if one more theist says that religion is harmless, i'm going to drop kick them.
Religion is harmless.
It's people that make things...
Influenced by their religions. If religion does not influence behaviour it's utterly pointless isn't it?
Quote from: Tank on March 29, 2012, 07:41:07 PM
Quote from: AnimatedDirt on March 29, 2012, 07:25:28 PM
Quote from: Sweetdeath on March 29, 2012, 07:21:37 PM
And if one more theist says that religion is harmless, i'm going to drop kick them.
Religion is harmless.
It's people that make things...
Influenced by their religions. If religion does not influence behaviour it's utterly pointless isn't it?
^This
I figured you would care less about women's rights , AD, but now isnt a good time to be a sarcastic guy.
I don't think he actually doesn't care. I think he just doesn't "get" when a good or bad time might be to bring something up. Or how emotions play into a conversation.
As time goes on, he's reminding more and more of a Christian Data (no offense intended, AD)
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2Fthumb%2F0%2F09%2FDataTNG.jpg%2F250px-DataTNG.jpg&hash=0c37d28d6eb3a7836dc3152bc1d9df30547185c7)
Nooooo!!
Data is my fav star trek TNG character. He is amazing, and grows with emotions as the series progresses.
Dont compare him to my beloved Data ;___;~
Quote from: Sweetdeath on March 29, 2012, 07:48:43 PM
I figured you would care less about women's rights , AD, but now isnt a good time to be a sarcastic guy.
And how do you conclude that I couldn't care less about women's rights? I was just hoping you'd 'drop-kick' me... :)
USA is seriously going backwards. Heading towards Christian fundamentalism.
I predict a LOT of women in AZ will mysteriously develop mind-blindlingly painful cramps and heavy cycles that they *need* pills for. :P
Quote from: Amicale on March 29, 2012, 09:06:51 PM
I predict a LOT of women in AZ will mysteriously develop mind-blindlingly painful cramps and heavy cycles that they *need* pills for. :P
Well this is exactly what women did in the UK when the pill was first made available. Only married women could get it on prescription for contraception. Single women had to have a 'sound medical reason' :D
Quote from: Tank on March 29, 2012, 09:09:44 PM
Quote from: Amicale on March 29, 2012, 09:06:51 PM
I predict a LOT of women in AZ will mysteriously develop mind-blindlingly painful cramps and heavy cycles that they *need* pills for. :P
Well this is exactly what women did in the UK when the pill was first made available. Only married women could get it on prescription for contraception. Single women had to have a 'sound medical reason' :D
Yes, "my cramps are so bad I'll rip your damned jugular out if you don't hand over those pills" might just do it. :D
Quote from: Amicale on March 29, 2012, 09:14:09 PM
Quote from: Tank on March 29, 2012, 09:09:44 PM
Quote from: Amicale on March 29, 2012, 09:06:51 PM
I predict a LOT of women in AZ will mysteriously develop mind-blindlingly painful cramps and heavy cycles that they *need* pills for. :P
Well this is exactly what women did in the UK when the pill was first made available. Only married women could get it on prescription for contraception. Single women had to have a 'sound medical reason' :D
Yes, "my cramps are so bad I'll rip your damned jugular out if you don't hand over those pills" might just do it. :D
Haha!!
No woman should gave to lie for their b.c. It's their damn right.
((ignoring AD cuz he seems to be instigating)) ::)
Quote from: Sweetdeath on March 29, 2012, 09:24:49 PM
((ignoring AD cuz he seems to be instigating)) ::)
I wasn't instigating, but I can accept you thinking so.
Quote from: Amicale on March 29, 2012, 09:14:09 PM
Quote from: Tank on March 29, 2012, 09:09:44 PM
Quote from: Amicale on March 29, 2012, 09:06:51 PM
I predict a LOT of women in AZ will mysteriously develop mind-blindlingly painful cramps and heavy cycles that they *need* pills for. :P
Well this is exactly what women did in the UK when the pill was first made available. Only married women could get it on prescription for contraception. Single women had to have a 'sound medical reason' :D
Yes, "my cramps are so bad I'll rip your damned jugular out if you don't hand over those pills" might just do it. :D
*Snort* When I was going off to college, I asked my doctor to write me a 'scrip for bc pills "to regulate my period" because, for reasons I no longer remember, my mom was in the room (who goes in the drs office with their 18 year old?). Think either of them bought it? ;D
I'm just trying to think this through, trying to understand both side of the coin and what the problem is.
Christian business owner issue:
"My church tells me it is immoral to use contraceptives, that it is akin to murdering babies"
"My government tells me that I need to pay for health insurance for my staff and this now includes contraceptives"
"I don't want to financially support the murder of babies, even if the government tells me that I must, Oh my, I'm either going to hell for all eternity or I am going to go to prison and lose my business during this short earth life of mine. Head hurts!"
Woman employee issue:
"What business is it of my employer's if I am using contraceptives, I'm not having sex on work time"
"Don't push your insane, unsubstantiated beliefs on me"
"This is a total violation of my privacy, my personhood, my womanhood, WTF!"
"It's my life, I'm not going to have a million babies or stop enjoying sex because my boss is an idiot, WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Stevil's issue:
What does contraceptives have to do with health insurance?
Isn't contraceptives a BAU part of life, like buying clothes or breakfast or paying for electricity. It's not a medical accident that you need to insure against.
Quote from: Stevil on March 29, 2012, 10:13:09 PM
Stevil's issue:
What does contraceptives have to do with health insurance?
Isn't contraceptives a BAU part of life, like buying clothes or breakfast or paying for electricity. It's not a medical accident that you need to insure against.
Most forms of birth control are by prescription only, and thus are covered by prescription benefits which are part of the health insurance package. Since we have such a screwed up expensive medical care system, that's one of the two ways I know of to get affordable bc (the other is Planned Parenthood, which conservatives are also trying to do away with.)
Quote from: Ali on March 29, 2012, 10:01:43 PM
Quote from: Amicale on March 29, 2012, 09:14:09 PM
Quote from: Tank on March 29, 2012, 09:09:44 PM
Quote from: Amicale on March 29, 2012, 09:06:51 PM
I predict a LOT of women in AZ will mysteriously develop mind-blindlingly painful cramps and heavy cycles that they *need* pills for. :P
Well this is exactly what women did in the UK when the pill was first made available. Only married women could get it on prescription for contraception. Single women had to have a 'sound medical reason' :D
Yes, "my cramps are so bad I'll rip your damned jugular out if you don't hand over those pills" might just do it. :D
*Snort* When I was going off to college, I asked my doctor to write me a 'scrip for bc pills "to regulate my period" because, for reasons I no longer remember, my mom was in the room (who goes in the drs office with their 18 year old?). Think either of them bought it? ;D
XD Pfft
That's amusing,,Ali. I'm sure they were just glad you were being responsible. :)
Quote from: Ali on March 29, 2012, 10:18:01 PM
Most forms of birth control are by prescription only, and thus are covered by prescription benefits which are part of the health insurance package. Since we have such a screwed up expensive medical care system, that's one of the two ways I know of to get affordable bc (the other is Planned Parenthood, which conservatives are also trying to do away with.)
Aha,
So the solution ought to be that the pill and the morning after pill ought to be non prescription, unless of course there are dangers that need to be screened by qualified doctors.
You don't need prescription for condoms right, you can buy those at the supermarket right?
Like Ali said, most b.c have to be given through a doctor perscription. Though I think most planned parenthood offices will give yoy a way to get them for free or very little money.
My issue is that b.c should be free for all women. The same way you can just pick up free condoms at most places. ( at least in nyc)
I definitely dont need it, so I dont see why it would an issue with my job or health insurance. People shouldnt assume all women are b.c, and even if they are, NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS. B.c doesnt affect your job skills.
The only reason some people are making a big deal is because there isnt b.c for men aside from condoms, WHICH REALLY NEEDS TO CHANGE.
I am sick of women bearing all the burden with b.c issues.
Bad move, going back into the dark ages (and I mean that in the pejorative sense).
In a hypothetical world where people make don't allow for these things, women will have more illegal and more dangerous abortions because they weren't able to avoid contraception in the first place.
Religious ideas like this are just so insane and so inane that it can take a while to get used to.
Quote from: Stevil on March 29, 2012, 10:23:28 PM
Quote from: Ali on March 29, 2012, 10:18:01 PM
Most forms of birth control are by prescription only, and thus are covered by prescription benefits which are part of the health insurance package. Since we have such a screwed up expensive medical care system, that's one of the two ways I know of to get affordable bc (the other is Planned Parenthood, which conservatives are also trying to do away with.)
Aha,
So the solution ought to be that the pill and the morning after pill ought to be non prescription, unless of course there are dangers that need to be screened by qualified doctors.
You don't need prescription for condoms right, you can buy those at the supermarket right?
I'm pretty sure the morning-after pill is non-prescription (at least in Canada). As far as I know anyone can walk into a pharmacy and ask for one, it's just not widely advertised.
I can see why birth control is prescription, though. It may be a very common medication, but it does have side-effects and cautions that people have to be aware of. If you have clotting issues, for example, it can be deadly because most birth control increases your likelihood of throwing a clot. This is compounded if you smoke or have other issues, so that is something that should be examined and discussed with a doctor, I'd think. They can also effect your mood, weight, etc.
I'd like to commission a poem.
Title it ode to the abhorrent
I won't tell you what to write
But there's synonyms that fit
detestable, repugnant, repulsive
I have tried to do it myself,
but the thinking made me sick.
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on March 30, 2012, 03:01:26 AM
I'm pretty sure the morning-after pill is non-prescription (at least in Canada). As far as I know anyone can walk into a pharmacy and ask for one, it's just not widely advertised.
I can see why birth control is prescription, though. It may be a very common medication, but it does have side-effects and cautions that people have to be aware of. If you have clotting issues, for example, it can be deadly because most birth control increases your likelihood of throwing a clot. This is compounded if you smoke or have other issues, so that is something that should be examined and discussed with a doctor, I'd think. They can also effect your mood, weight, etc.
So if the pill requires a doctor's expertise, then someone has to pay for it.
I don't see why a Christian employer, whom considers the pill akin to murder, would be happy being forced to financially support it.
I also don't see why insurance companies would pay for something that is BAU and not accidental.
Shouldn't the government simply subsidise the cost of the pill, rather than put employers and insurance companies into a strange and difficult position?
They might not be happy to support it, but if they're offering health insurance, the current laws say the insurance has to cover birth control, just as it would cover any medication. It's not like the employers provide a custom list of medications they want covered or anything - and I do think that's probably a better way to go about things.
But I'm not all that familiar with how private insurance in the states works, because it's totally different in Canada. In Canada, the doctor's visit to get birth control is paid for by provincial coverage, but the woman has to pay for the birth control herself. Which is no big deal really, because it's pretty cheap here (again, I have no idea how much it is in the states, but most prescriptions cost more in the States).
Personally, I wouldn't find having to pay for the birth control myself to be the most offense part, it'd be the having to "explain myself" to my boss. Either cover it for everyone or don't. Unless you're a doctor, or it directly effects my work, it's none of your damn business why I'm taking any medication.
QuoteMoreover, according to the American Civil Liberties Union, the law would give Arizona employers the green light to fire a woman upon finding out that she took birth control for the purpose of preventing pregnancy.
This also implies that, even if the employer isn't paying for the birth control, they could still have grounds to fire any "disobedient" woman for violating her bosses' "morals". I have no idea how, if the employer isn't paying for it, they could find out whether a woman's taking birth control or not, but it's still pretty fucked up.
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on March 30, 2012, 04:46:15 AM
QuoteMoreover, according to the American Civil Liberties Union, the law would give Arizona employers the green light to fire a woman upon finding out that she took birth control for the purpose of preventing pregnancy.
This also implies that, even if the employer isn't paying for the birth control, they could still have grounds to fire any "disobedient" woman for violating her bosses' "morals". I have no idea how, if the employer isn't paying for it, they could find out whether a woman's taking birth control or not, but it's still pretty fucked up.
The saddest thing to me is, men will never have to face this kind of discrimination.
Whatever the reason is, b.c is a private matter. Just like the color if your socks, no one has the right to know , because it doesnt affect your work day.
Okay, this is my last post, I swear:
I know in some insurance cases you can get coverage for "routine" things and not just accidental or emergency situations. It might sound a funny parallel , but I worked a lot with pet health insurance when I was in the vet field. A lot of pet insurance programs offer "maintenance" coverage: as in, you pay a monthly premium and the insurance company covers routine things like exams, vaccines, food, etc. Plus accident coverage. It costs more than just accident insurance but, since most animals need routine check-ups, it makes sense.
I imagine there would be similar programs offered for people?
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on March 30, 2012, 04:46:15 AM
QuoteMoreover, according to the American Civil Liberties Union, the law would give Arizona employers the green light to fire a woman upon finding out that she took birth control for the purpose of preventing pregnancy.
This also implies that, even if the employer isn't paying for the birth control, they could still have grounds to fire any "disobedient" woman for violating her bosses' "morals". I have no idea how, if the employer isn't paying for it, they could find out whether a woman's taking birth control or not, but it's still pretty fucked up.
Absolutely agreed.
To put it into perspective, if you got caught breaking a traffic law or stealing or what not away from work, your employer doesn't have grounds to fire you but if you pop a contraceptive pill, then watch out!
Quote from: Stevil on March 29, 2012, 10:23:28 PM
Quote from: Ali on March 29, 2012, 10:18:01 PM
Most forms of birth control are by prescription only, and thus are covered by prescription benefits which are part of the health insurance package. Since we have such a screwed up expensive medical care system, that's one of the two ways I know of to get affordable bc (the other is Planned Parenthood, which conservatives are also trying to do away with.)
Aha,
So the solution ought to be that the pill and the morning after pill ought to be non prescription, unless of course there are dangers that need to be screened by qualified doctors.
You don't need prescription for condoms right, you can buy those at the supermarket right?
That condom moment!
"Hold on a moment love I'll just get this piece of lubricated rubber out of a foil package with damp fingers without using my teeth!"
"Right I'm ready!"
"What do you mean, the moments past!!!! I've got the fucking thing on now!!!"
Quote from: Tank on March 30, 2012, 07:31:10 AM
Quote from: Stevil on March 29, 2012, 10:23:28 PM
Quote from: Ali on March 29, 2012, 10:18:01 PM
Most forms of birth control are by prescription only, and thus are covered by prescription benefits which are part of the health insurance package. Since we have such a screwed up expensive medical care system, that's one of the two ways I know of to get affordable bc (the other is Planned Parenthood, which conservatives are also trying to do away with.)
Aha,
So the solution ought to be that the pill and the morning after pill ought to be non prescription, unless of course there are dangers that need to be screened by qualified doctors.
You don't need prescription for condoms right, you can buy those at the supermarket right?
That condom moment!
"Hold on a moment love I'll just get this piece of lubricated rubber out of a foil package with damp fingers without using my teeth!"
"Right I'm ready!"
"What do you mean, the moments past!!!! I've got the fucking thing on now!!!"
:D :D :D
It's a wonder you awesome straight folks ever manage to have FUN, let alone have kids, either on purpose or not. ;D
Quote from: Amicale on March 30, 2012, 07:34:52 AM
Quote from: Tank on March 30, 2012, 07:31:10 AM
Quote from: Stevil on March 29, 2012, 10:23:28 PM
Quote from: Ali on March 29, 2012, 10:18:01 PM
Most forms of birth control are by prescription only, and thus are covered by prescription benefits which are part of the health insurance package. Since we have such a screwed up expensive medical care system, that's one of the two ways I know of to get affordable bc (the other is Planned Parenthood, which conservatives are also trying to do away with.)
Aha,
So the solution ought to be that the pill and the morning after pill ought to be non prescription, unless of course there are dangers that need to be screened by qualified doctors.
You don't need prescription for condoms right, you can buy those at the supermarket right?
That condom moment!
"Hold on a moment love I'll just get this piece of lubricated rubber out of a foil package with damp fingers without using my teeth!"
"Right I'm ready!"
"What do you mean, the moments past!!!! I've got the fucking thing on now!!!"
:D :D :D
It's a wonder you awesome straight folks ever manage to have FUN, let alone have kids, either on purpose or not. ;D
The condom is a con. It's not a contraceptive. "Let's risk it, I can't be fucking bothered!", or "FFS! Just do it!!" should be written on many a birth certificate!
Quote from: Tank on March 30, 2012, 07:37:38 AM
Quote from: Amicale on March 30, 2012, 07:34:52 AM
Quote from: Tank on March 30, 2012, 07:31:10 AM
Quote from: Stevil on March 29, 2012, 10:23:28 PM
Quote from: Ali on March 29, 2012, 10:18:01 PM
Most forms of birth control are by prescription only, and thus are covered by prescription benefits which are part of the health insurance package. Since we have such a screwed up expensive medical care system, that's one of the two ways I know of to get affordable bc (the other is Planned Parenthood, which conservatives are also trying to do away with.)
Aha,
So the solution ought to be that the pill and the morning after pill ought to be non prescription, unless of course there are dangers that need to be screened by qualified doctors.
You don't need prescription for condoms right, you can buy those at the supermarket right?
That condom moment!
"Hold on a moment love I'll just get this piece of lubricated rubber out of a foil package with damp fingers without using my teeth!"
"Right I'm ready!"
"What do you mean, the moments past!!!! I've got the fucking thing on now!!!"
:D :D :D
It's a wonder you awesome straight folks ever manage to have FUN, let alone have kids, either on purpose or not. ;D
The condom is a con. It's not a contraceptive. "Let's risk it, I can't be fucking bothered!", or "FFS! Just do it!!" should be written on many a birth certificate!
ROFL! :D
"All mommy wanted was a backrub" shoulda been written on mine.
In the the UK it's not illegal to have sex in public. However if somebody complains the couple can be 'done' for a public order offence. If something is illegal in the UK the Police are placed under an obligation to stop it happening.
I was watching a parliamentary committee meeting debating whether having sex in public should be made illegal. The Police didn't want it as they would have to patrol numerous car parks that they didn't have to do at the moment. The argument want back and forth until a sage old MP piped up with "I wonder how many of us wouldn't be here today if this law had been in place during our parents lives?" It stopped he debate dead in its tracks and they decided to leave the law alone!!!
Quote from: Tank on March 30, 2012, 07:31:10 AM
Quote from: Stevil on March 29, 2012, 10:23:28 PM
Quote from: Ali on March 29, 2012, 10:18:01 PM
Most forms of birth control are by prescription only, and thus are covered by prescription benefits which are part of the health insurance package. Since we have such a screwed up expensive medical care system, that's one of the two ways I know of to get affordable bc (the other is Planned Parenthood, which conservatives are also trying to do away with.)
Aha,
So the solution ought to be that the pill and the morning after pill ought to be non prescription, unless of course there are dangers that need to be screened by qualified doctors.
You don't need prescription for condoms right, you can buy those at the supermarket right?
That condom moment!
"Hold on a moment love I'll just get this piece of lubricated rubber out of a foil package with damp fingers without using my teeth!"
"Right I'm ready!"
"What do you mean, the moments past!!!! I've got the fucking thing on now!!!"
So true, those romance movies don't capture that moment do they.
Quote from: Stevil on March 30, 2012, 09:22:42 AM
Quote from: Tank on March 30, 2012, 07:31:10 AM
Quote from: Stevil on March 29, 2012, 10:23:28 PM
Quote from: Ali on March 29, 2012, 10:18:01 PM
Most forms of birth control are by prescription only, and thus are covered by prescription benefits which are part of the health insurance package. Since we have such a screwed up expensive medical care system, that's one of the two ways I know of to get affordable bc (the other is Planned Parenthood, which conservatives are also trying to do away with.)
Aha,
So the solution ought to be that the pill and the morning after pill ought to be non prescription, unless of course there are dangers that need to be screened by qualified doctors.
You don't need prescription for condoms right, you can buy those at the supermarket right?
That condom moment!
"Hold on a moment love I'll just get this piece of lubricated rubber out of a foil package with damp fingers without using my teeth!"
"Right I'm ready!"
"What do you mean, the moments past!!!! I've got the fucking thing on now!!!"
So true, those romance movies don't capture that moment do they.
Nope! Gonorrhoea, syphilis, HIV, genital warts, clamidia etc. etc. etc. Never get the mention they deserve! :D
That's why they're movies. XD doing things that are just silly if you tried it yourself.
This thread is suddenly amusing. I just woke up :)
Quote from: Sweetdeath on March 29, 2012, 10:28:47 PM
The only reason some people are making a big deal is because there isnt b.c for men aside from condoms, WHICH REALLY NEEDS TO CHANGE.
There is but they are still in trial, as is ultra sound contraception for men (If this was available tomorrow I would get it done and paid for on the NHS).
Quote from: Crow on March 30, 2012, 11:23:32 PM
Quote from: Sweetdeath on March 29, 2012, 10:28:47 PM
The only reason some people are making a big deal is because there isnt b.c for men aside from condoms, WHICH REALLY NEEDS TO CHANGE.
There is but they are still in trial, as is ultra sound contraception for men (If this was available tomorrow I would get it done and paid for on the NHS).
Is it really in trial? I heard it was in trial like 3 years ago. It is taking too long :(
Apparently men can make themselves temporarily sterile by dipping their testicles in 115 degree water for ten minutes at a time once a day for three weeks.
http://www.newmalecontraception.org/heat.htm (http://www.newmalecontraception.org/heat.htm)
Sounds kind of comical, but if they could come up with a more systematic way of achieving the same results, it could be something worth looking at.
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on March 30, 2012, 11:35:57 PM
Apparently men can make themselves temporarily sterile by dipping their testicles in 115 degree water for ten minutes at a time once a day for three weeks.
http://www.newmalecontraception.org/heat.htm (http://www.newmalecontraception.org/heat.htm)
Sounds kind of comical, but if they could come up with a more systematic way of achieving the same results, it could be something worth looking at.
Haha, there's new info I never knew.
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on March 30, 2012, 11:35:57 PM
Apparently men can make themselves temporarily sterile by dipping their testicles in 115 degree water for ten minutes at a time once a day for three weeks.
WTF, that's hotter than boiling! I wouldn't last 1/10th of a second let alone 10 minutes.
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on March 30, 2012, 11:35:57 PM
Apparently men can make themselves temporarily sterile by dipping their testicles in 115 degree water for ten minutes at a time once a day for three weeks.
http://www.newmalecontraception.org/heat.htm (http://www.newmalecontraception.org/heat.htm)
Sounds kind of comical, but if they could come up with a more systematic way of achieving the same results, it could be something worth looking at.
That's perfect. How about they amend the law to say that if the woman isn't allowed to have her birth control, her sexual partners must all do this if asked by her? That would stop the law dead in its tracks.
I'm so glad I don't live in that bass ackwards state. It is very strange to see a number of conservative women who push invasive laws like this. Can't quite wrap my head around that one.
Quote from: Stevil on March 31, 2012, 03:44:46 AM
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on March 30, 2012, 11:35:57 PM
Apparently men can make themselves temporarily sterile by dipping their testicles in 115 degree water for ten minutes at a time once a day for three weeks.
WTF, that's hotter than boiling! I wouldn't last 1/10th of a second let alone 10 minutes.
115F = 46C we are talking pre-metric societies here. ;D
Quote from: Tank on March 31, 2012, 07:28:21 AM
Quote from: Stevil on March 31, 2012, 03:44:46 AM
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on March 30, 2012, 11:35:57 PM
Apparently men can make themselves temporarily sterile by dipping their testicles in 115 degree water for ten minutes at a time once a day for three weeks.
WTF, that's hotter than boiling! I wouldn't last 1/10th of a second let alone 10 minutes.
115F = 46C we are talking pre-metric societies here. ;D
I could try and tell my partner I'm safe, I've been having regular warm/hot baths.
I don't think she'd believe me though. :(
I'm coming a little late to this party, but this seems on point: Stupidest State Showdown -- Arizona vs. South Carolina (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5UIXtmiJcc)
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on March 31, 2012, 08:37:01 AM
I'm coming a little late to this party, but this seems on point: Stupidest State Showdown -- Arizona vs. South Carolina (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5UIXtmiJcc)
That gave me a good chuckle. :D
Quote from: Tank on March 31, 2012, 07:28:21 AM
Quote from: Stevil on March 31, 2012, 03:44:46 AM
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on March 30, 2012, 11:35:57 PM
Apparently men can make themselves temporarily sterile by dipping their testicles in 115 degree water for ten minutes at a time once a day for three weeks.
WTF, that's hotter than boiling! I wouldn't last 1/10th of a second let alone 10 minutes.
115F = 46C we are talking pre-metric societies here. ;D
Haha, yeah, sorry, the article is in Fahrenheit, I probably should have mentioned that.
Apparently the pain threshold for heat is around 118 degrees Fahrenheit, so this treatment would be quite warm, but do-able.
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on March 31, 2012, 04:08:59 PM
Quote from: Tank on March 31, 2012, 07:28:21 AM
Quote from: Stevil on March 31, 2012, 03:44:46 AM
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on March 30, 2012, 11:35:57 PM
Apparently men can make themselves temporarily sterile by dipping their testicles in 115 degree water for ten minutes at a time once a day for three weeks.
WTF, that's hotter than boiling! I wouldn't last 1/10th of a second let alone 10 minutes.
115F = 46C we are talking pre-metric societies here. ;D
Haha, yeah, sorry, the article is in Fahrenheit, I probably should have mentioned that.
Apparently the pain threshold for heat is around 118 degrees Fahrenheit, so this treatment would be quite warm, but do-able.
Says a person with their genitals on the inside >:(
Quote from: Tank on March 31, 2012, 04:12:41 PM
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on March 31, 2012, 04:08:59 PM
Quote from: Tank on March 31, 2012, 07:28:21 AM
Quote from: Stevil on March 31, 2012, 03:44:46 AM
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on March 30, 2012, 11:35:57 PM
Apparently men can make themselves temporarily sterile by dipping their testicles in 115 degree water for ten minutes at a time once a day for three weeks.
WTF, that's hotter than boiling! I wouldn't last 1/10th of a second let alone 10 minutes.
115F = 46C we are talking pre-metric societies here. ;D
Haha, yeah, sorry, the article is in Fahrenheit, I probably should have mentioned that.
Apparently the pain threshold for heat is around 118 degrees Fahrenheit, so this treatment would be quite warm, but do-able.
Says a person with their genitals on the inside >:(
:D hahaha No? Doesn't sound appealing? That's three whole degrees of comfort!