Hey. There was a debate/large argument on whether only Christians are straightedge, and that Atheist have no reason to be. Personally, I know a few Atheist who are s/e but I know more who aren't. i just wanted to see your opinions to prove my side. (Not allowed to say where I stand for fear it would 'influence your votes'. I'll probably post my answer later though. ;))
I am not straight edge. Actually, whiskey's my favorite beverage.
That said, I do enjoy the occasional Gorilla Biscuits song.
Quote from: BullyforBronto on November 12, 2011, 01:28:20 AM
whiskey's my favorite beverage.
I don't see anything wrong with that so long as you don't drink and drive.
I have some friends who considered themselves straightedge when they were in junior high/high school. They did the whole black "X"s on their hands and everything. As far as I know, they had no real affiliation with Christianity. Maybe they were Christian, but that never seemed to be their "reason". The impression that I got was always that they felt uncomfortable with drinking/drugs and this was a way for them to form their own group without it.
I voted that it's bull. I don't really have an issue with people who don't drink or do drugs, but I don't see why you need to form a whole identity with "rules" around it. I might be wrong, so correct me if I am, I was always told that the premise around "straightedge" was that you don't want to "pollute your body" . But what does that even mean? When it comes to being healthy, there are HUGE grey areas.
I mean, alcohol and drugs might seem obvious, but what about caffiene? What about over the counter drugs? What about preservatives and additives in food? What about processed food? What about gluten, I hear that's the devil now?
I think I'd find it to make a lot more sense if all "straightedgers" were holistic vegans, or something. Drawing the line at alcohol and "drugs" seems so arbitrary.
Keep in mind that the people I grew up with who were straight edge were also pretty obnoxious about it, so that may have left a bitter taste in my mouth. The fact that every single one of them, now that we're out of highschool, has given it up completely probably doesn't make it seem that much more credible to my mind.
So I'm a bit biased.
DeterminedJuliet, I can see your point. I've never come in contact with that sub-species of straightedger, and good thing... They probably would have been punched or worse. And as for the polluting your body thing, I guess they mean not being under the influence of anything, just my guess. Also, most straightedgers I've dealt with have a big thing against premarital sex.
Quote from: not your typical... on November 12, 2011, 01:44:04 AM
DeterminedJuliet, I can see your point. I've never come in contact with that sub-species of straightedger, and good thing... They probably would have been punched or worse. And as for the polluting your body thing, I guess they mean not being under the influence of anything, just my guess. Also, most straightedgers I've dealt with have a big thing against premarital sex.
No premarital sex? I think I like the sounds of it even less now.
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on November 12, 2011, 01:56:52 AM
No premarital sex? I think I like the sounds of it even less now.
hahaha! Yeah, a good friend of mine's mother once told us, "Don't settle and buy the car until you test-drive the merchandise and make sure everything is functioning properly." Then proceeded to tell us to take that whatever way we pleased. I don't think she's ever blushed that hard, nor had I laughed that hard before. ;D
what counts as straightedge?
Quote from: not your typical... on November 12, 2011, 02:01:02 AM
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on November 12, 2011, 01:56:52 AM
No premarital sex? I think I like the sounds of it even less now.
hahaha! Yeah, a good friend of mine's mother once told us, "Don't settle and buy the car until you test-drive the merchandise and make sure everything is functioning properly." Then proceeded to tell us to take that whatever way we pleased. I don't think she's ever blushed that hard, nor had I laughed that hard before. ;D
I know a couple who were very religious and waited to have sex until they got married. It turns out that they were COMPLETELY incompatible in the boudoir and they annoyed the ever-lovin'-fuck out of each other when they had to actually live under one roof. They were high school sweethearts and had been dating for 7 years, but their marriage only lasted a year and a half.
I always say that you should live with someone for at least a year before you even think of getting married (if you even want to). It's a good litmus test for being able to tolerate each other on a day-to-day basis.
Quote from: Whitney on November 12, 2011, 02:04:00 AM
what counts as straightedge?
No drinking and no smoking. If you would like to include no premarital sex, feel free. I do, but i know others who don't.
And DJ, I agree with the living together one year rule. :)
oh ok..
no...I don't see the point in not doing any of those things ever. Moderation and discretion is important though (for health's sake).
...and I totally have a glass of wine on my desk while writing this.
Quote from: RunFromMyLife on November 12, 2011, 02:23:06 AM
I'm an alcoholic who has been sober for a little over 5 years.
Congrats on 5 years sobriety. :) Really touching story. I get why you had a hard time choosing in between those.
And Whitney, lol. Nice. ;D
Quote from: RunFromMyLife on November 12, 2011, 02:23:06 AM
I voted that I'm straightedge, but not by choice. I almost voted that I'm proud of it but that doesn't really fit for me most of the time. I don't know what all goes into being "straightedge" so I'll just say I'm sober.
I used to smoke pot with friends occasionally when I was bored, mainly because I love the smell and the ritual of it. It never did anything for me, however.
I'm an alcoholic who has been sober for a little over 5 years. For a long time I was really SUPER strict about it: I wouldn't eat desserts or sauces with alcohol in them, I wouldn't take Nyquil, etc. I was afraid the taste and/or smell of the tiniest bit of alcohol would trigger me. Now that I have 5 years under my belt I feel more comfortable in my sobriety and have become less neurotic about that stuff.
I think this is different, though. A recovering alcoholic trying to do the responsible thing is vastly different than people who take sharpies to their hands in "straight edge" pride
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if they want to be straight edge they shouldn't dress in that preppy emo punk look....they should wear slacks and the girls should wear long dresses.
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on November 12, 2011, 02:33:33 AM
I think this is different, though. A recovering alcoholic trying to do the responsible thing is vastly different than people who take sharpies to their hands in "straight edge" pride
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Well, I don't believe that being straightedge is just limited to those kinds, since, like I said previously, I never dealt with that type of straightedger, but I know people who consider themselves straightedge. and with the whole recovering alcoholic thing, that's partially the reason I put up the 'not by choice' answer.
And not all straightedgers do the no premarital sex thing. Just some.
Quote from: RunFromMyLife on November 12, 2011, 02:44:04 AM
Thank you very much. :)
You deserve it. I know plenty that can't manage a day sober, let alone 5 years. It's a big accomplishment. :)
I'm not straightedge. I follow Jesus' example and drink wine. But I'm 59 so it doesn't really matter.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on November 12, 2011, 02:59:55 AM
I follow Jesus' example and drink wine.
In the Bible, it never specifies that He drinks. Merely states that it was in his presence. He may or may not have actually drank. It all comes down to your interpretation, I suppose.
I just don't like alcohol (don't like the taste of it) and cigarettes (ditto). I don't consider myself to be a moralist about the stuff, though I do personally feel that people who like those things have made bad choices ;D
Everything in moderation I suppose. I don't envy the addicted, however...
A Montecristo No2 Torpedo, a glass of Napoleon brandy and a buxom wench please, heaven! ;D
Being British I don't have to put up with these wierd 'club cults' that seem to afflict 'Mercan teenagers, age has its advantages.
Quote from: not your typical... on November 12, 2011, 03:01:54 AM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on November 12, 2011, 02:59:55 AM
I follow Jesus' example and drink wine.
In the Bible, it never specifies that He drinks. Merely states that it was in his presence. He may or may not have actually drank. It all comes down to your interpretation, I suppose.
Sorry, but he drank wine, for what it's worth, which is probably not much here. Here's the passage I can think of now: "Luke 7:33 For John the Baptist has come eating no bread and drinking no
wine, and you say, 'He has a demon!' 34
The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, 'Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!'"
John the Baptist drank no wine, Jesus did. John the Baptist was straightedge, Jesus wasn't.
Quote from: Tank on November 12, 2011, 08:07:37 AM
A Montecristo No2 Torpedo, a glass of Napoleon brandy and a buxom wench please, heaven! ;D
Being British I don't have to put up with these wierd 'club cults' that seem to afflict 'Mercan teenagers, age has its advantages.
Ditto.
And I'll drink to an 'edge' that's as loopy and curly as can be. There's no virtue in abstinence for its own sake.
Quote from: Tank on November 12, 2011, 08:07:37 AM
A Montecristo No2 Torpedo, a glass of Napoleon brandy
I would keep bottles with those labels just for the names...but just for display, not for drinking. 8)
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on November 12, 2011, 05:58:15 PM
Quote from: Tank on November 12, 2011, 08:07:37 AM
A Montecristo No2 Torpedo, a glass of Napoleon brandy
I would keep bottles with those labels just for the names...but just for display, not for drinking. 8)
Montecristo is a brand of cuban cigars ;)
I quit smoking (2 packs a day) 2 years ago cold turkey, and recently quit drinking. Not sure if the drinking was becoming a problem, but it damn sure wasn't a solution.
Quote from: Xjeepguy on November 12, 2011, 06:57:07 PM
I quit smoking (2 packs a day) 2 years ago cold turkey, and recently quit drinking. Not sure if the drinking was becoming a problem, but it damn sure wasn't a solution.
That's cool. I'm not straightedge myself. Not a big fan of being told I can't do what I enjoy. Never been one for being high or drunk though. Like xSilverPhinx said, everything in moderation. Oddly enough, I love the taste of alcohol, vodka and champagne being preferences. Can tolerate a smoke every once and a while. Sex, is a no brainer, who doesn't want to get laid? But when someone makes the choices to be straightedge, I respect that. It's all about what you feel you get out of it.
Quote from: Tank on November 12, 2011, 06:14:54 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on November 12, 2011, 05:58:15 PM
Quote from: Tank on November 12, 2011, 08:07:37 AM
A Montecristo No2 Torpedo, a glass of Napoleon brandy
I would keep bottles with those labels just for the names...but just for display, not for drinking. 8)
Montecristo is a brand of cuban cigars ;)
:-[ Whoops.
Well then, I wouldn't have to worry about anybody ever drinking it then :P
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Cigars are cool. Churchill style. 8) Respect.
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on November 12, 2011, 09:15:20 PM
Quote from: Tank on November 12, 2011, 06:14:54 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on November 12, 2011, 05:58:15 PM
Quote from: Tank on November 12, 2011, 08:07:37 AM
A Montecristo No2 Torpedo, a glass of Napoleon brandy
I would keep bottles with those labels just for the names...but just for display, not for drinking. 8)
Montecristo is a brand of cuban cigars ;)
:-[ Whoops.
Well then, I wouldn't have to worry about anybody ever drinking it then :P
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Cigars are cool. Churchill style. 8) Respect.
;D Good recovery!
Well I did tick the "WTF"-choise before I properly read the thread, but meh :P
I'm a non-alcoholic (and yes, I am an exception to the rule ;D Don't worry, most Finns still love their beer), I don't smoke nor do I use anything that would qualify as drugs. No meds either. Just Coca-Cola, all the way 8)
And there is no moral background to my choises either, those things just don't belong to my usual habits nor tastes. I do have other vices to cover up for them though.. :-\ Other then that, each to their own taste and prefenrences. If you want to use or try, fine by me. But as xSilverPhinx said: Everything in moderation.
And as for premarital sex: it's the couples own choise. Piste *grumbleyou-bloody-moral-nitpicketersmumble*
;)
P.S:
Piste translates as: Dot. Used a lot to make point that the opinnion id final or that the converasion is over. Just in case I use that in the future ;)
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on November 12, 2011, 09:15:20 PM
Cigars are cool. Churchill style. 8) Respect.
haha. Agreed. But nobody will ever let me get my hands on one... Says I'd be to provocative with it. ;)
And history_geek, thanks for the heads up... Piste. I like the word, but might I ask for the proper annunciation? :)
Quote from: not your typical... on November 13, 2011, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on November 12, 2011, 09:15:20 PM
Cigars are cool. Churchill style. 8) Respect.
haha. Agreed. But nobody will ever let me get my hands on one... Says I'd be to provocative with it. ;)
Who cares? It's cool ;D 8)
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Quote from: xSilverPhinx on November 13, 2011, 08:59:58 PM
Quote from: not your typical... on November 13, 2011, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on November 12, 2011, 09:15:20 PM
Cigars are cool. Churchill style. 8) Respect.
haha. Agreed. But nobody will ever let me get my hands on one... Says I'd be to provocative with it. ;)
Who cares? It's cool ;D 8)
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Well since my only chance of getting one is if I magically run into someone who has them and they randomly give me one... Although, I could just take one from the Hole. But I'd probably get chopped to bits for that.
There's not an option for my preference: Not Straightedge and don't care whether other people are or not. But I suppose, "Pass me a beer, would ya!" is the closest.
Other people can do or not do whatever they want as long as it doesn't unreasonably affect anyone else who doesn't want it to affect them... I really wish there was a shorter, quoteable version of that.
Quote from: Davin on November 14, 2011, 04:09:46 PM
There's not an option for my preference: Not Straightedge and don't care whether other people are or not. But I suppose, "Pass me a beer, would ya!" is the closest.
Other people can do or not do whatever they want as long as it doesn't unreasonably affect anyone else who doesn't want it to affect them... I really wish there was a shorter, quoteable version of that.
Haha. I guess I should have had that in there too, eh? Ah well, next time. :)