So the pro-gun people in the US always argue that making guns illegal will only take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens because criminals don't care if guns are illegal. Thereby leaving law abiding citizens to the mercy of gun wielding criminals. My thought is that this is probably not entirely true because surely it's got to be harder for even the criminals to get guns if they don't sell them everywhere. So just curious, for those of you that live in countries where guns are illegal or at least harder to get a hold of, what is your perspective? Do you see a lot of law abiding citizens being terrorized by criminals with illegal guns?
My stance on gun control is the same as buying a pet. They should be available, but the people buying should be screened, tested, and background checked. I think that making guns illegal to the general public is unfair because it punishes the law abiding citizens. I am not aposed to making them harder to get though. I went to a gun show one time because I was bored and in walking distance from my house. It was scary how easy it was for someone to just walk up to a vender, pay them, and walk away with their new prize.
Handguns are totally banned in the UK, so that even our Olympic team has to train abroad, but there is still a lot of gun crime on the streets of our cities - illegal weapons, of course. Target rifles are very strictly controlled and there is very little crime with them; of course, they are not much use to criminals.
Shotguns are less tightly controlled; they do no doubt get misused: typically a divorced man will kill his ex and kids, then himself. AFAIK there is little ordinary crime with shotguns.
Quote from: Ali on August 06, 2012, 05:42:38 PM
So the pro-gun people in the US always argue that making guns illegal will only take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens because criminals don't care if guns are illegal. Thereby leaving law abiding citizens to the mercy of gun wielding criminals. My thought is that this is probably not entirely true because surely it's got to be harder for even the criminals to get guns if they don't sell them everywhere. So just curious, for those of you that live in countries where guns are illegal or at least harder to get a hold of, what is your perspective? Do you see a lot of law abiding citizens being terrorized by criminals with illegal guns?
Personally I think that the 'horse has bolted' as far as gun control goes in the USA. There are simply too many guns to ever realistically be taken out of circulation.
A lot of gun crime in the UK is gang on gang stuff. You very rarely hear of hand guns being used in hold ups or the like. The weapon of choice for bank robbers is the sawn off shotgun and that can still be obtained if a gun owner's house is targeted.
Honestly, I know next to nothing about the gun laws in Canada, though I think most guns have to be registered here . Owning guns as a hobby is practically non-existent as far as I have ever seen -- the only people I know who own guns either use them exclusively for hunting or are police officers. I don't think I've ever met someone who has one for personal protection or for sport. I don't know that I'd attribute this to the laws as I think it might be a cultural thing. Violent crime is pretty low here, so people just don't feel like they need lethal weapons.
I honestly don't know if restricting access to guns in the States would help because there seems to be a prevalent attitude that people are "entitled" to them. If you feel entitled to something, you're going to get it whether its legal or not. I think people in Canada don't have guns because, largely, we don't want them.
Soooooo, I'm not sure what the solution is. :-\
Quote from: Tank on August 06, 2012, 06:55:47 PM
Quote from: Ali on August 06, 2012, 05:42:38 PM
So the pro-gun people in the US always argue that making guns illegal will only take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens because criminals don't care if guns are illegal. Thereby leaving law abiding citizens to the mercy of gun wielding criminals. My thought is that this is probably not entirely true because surely it's got to be harder for even the criminals to get guns if they don't sell them everywhere. So just curious, for those of you that live in countries where guns are illegal or at least harder to get a hold of, what is your perspective? Do you see a lot of law abiding citizens being terrorized by criminals with illegal guns?
Personally I think that the 'horse has bolted' as far as gun control goes in the USA. There are simply too many guns to ever realistically be taken out of circulation.
A lot of gun crime in the UK is gang on gang stuff. You very rarely hear of hand guns being used in hold ups or the like. The weapon of choice for bank robbers is the sawn off shotgun and that can still be obtained if a gun owner's house is targeted.
The biggest obstacle in the US is the second ammendment which might have been right for the time it was written, but soooo out of date. There is no going back as the Gun Lobby enjoys massive support and have feet under most serious political tables.
There's a fairly straightforward correlation between gun availability and gun-related deaths. Why would a person need a gun? Oh yeah, to shoot people! Duh! http://www.veganpeace.com/gun_control/GunAvailability.htm (http://www.veganpeace.com/gun_control/GunAvailability.htm)
I've noted before there should be a single question on a gun license application form: 'Do you want to own a gun?' If the answer is 'yes' then you are unsuitable to hold one.
In London one must be more weary of knives. Still a threat but much easier to stay out of range. And there is a much higher emotional investment charged to their malignant use. It is a comfort to know that the chances of coming across a gun toter are close to zero.
Lets take a look at some facts:
List of countries by firearm-related death rate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate)
USA is high on the list, behind countries in unrest and turmoil e.g. South Africa, Columbia, El Salvador...
Comparision of USA to England/Wales
Gun deaths per 10,000 population is 22.3 times higher
Homocide by guns is 59.1 times higher
Suicide by guns is 17.3 times higher
Unintentional deaths by guns is 23 times higher
Switzerland which is often help up as the poster child of unregulated gun access is quite high on the death by guns list, orders of magnitude above England.
Canada aren't too far off Switzerland, what are Canada's gun laws like?h
Quote from: Stevil on August 06, 2012, 08:31:30 PM
Lets take a look at some facts:
List of countries by firearm-related death rate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate)
USA is high on the list, behind countries in unrest and turmoil e.g. South Africa, Columbia, El Salvador...
Comparision of USA to England/Wales
Gun deaths per 10,000 population is 22.3 times higher
Homocide by guns is 59.1 times higher
Suicide by guns is 17.3 times higher
Unintentional deaths by guns is 23 times higher
Switzerland which is often help up as the poster child of unregulated gun access is quite high on the death by guns list, orders of magnitude above England.
Canada aren't too far off Switzerland, what are Canada's gun laws like?h
Switzerland's gun crime is massively biased by men killing unfaithful wives.
I don't know the Brazilian gun laws all that well, but it isn't commonplace for civilians to walk around with concealed weapons. Criminals get theirs abroad, by breaking into police and military barracks or stealing people's guns. I've never seen a gun shop around here. ???
I'm really not that surprised that Brazil is so high on that list.
Gun crime is rare but not uncommon, it is primarily gang related and therefore doesn't have much of an effect on the public, until it goes tits up then you get a Rhys Jones incident but is very rare. We have specialised police firearms units rather than every copper with a gun, which are only used in cases where they think the visual presence is necessary or a threat that may require firepower. Most of the guns on the streets comes from replicas that are adjusted or guns that are legal but have been stolen, it is also regional as well with gun crime being higher in London and Manchester.
I have never seen a gun in the UK [edit: well a proper gun]. Knifes on the other hand are a different story.
Haha Siz, I like your application question and agree. People always say "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" but it seems like guns sure do make it a heck of a lot easier. Also, guns are made specifically for killing people, so I don't see how, when you make a device specifically for killing people, and then make it available to the general public, people can still act shocked when humans use guns to do exactly what they were meant to do.
That's interesting about the knives though. I must be sheltered, I've never seen either a gun or a knife pulled "in anger" or to threaten anyone.
Quote from: Ali on August 06, 2012, 10:51:59 PM
That's interesting about the knives though. I must be sheltered, I've never seen either a gun or a knife pulled "in anger" or to threaten anyone.
It is something that you don't want to see.
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Quote from: Ali on August 06, 2012, 10:51:59 PM
That's interesting about the knives though. I must be sheltered, I've never seen either a gun or a knife pulled "in anger" or to threaten anyone.
It is something that you don't want to see.
It's a topic I avoid with my girlfriend, unless she wants to talk about it, since she's been there more than once.
Quote from: Stevil on August 06, 2012, 08:31:30 PM
Canada aren't too far off Switzerland, what are Canada's gun laws like?
I dunno, but I'm willing to bet that most of those accidental gun deaths are from hunting accidents.
Our gun laws are rather liberal, however the black market is small and most law-abiding citizens have better things to spend their coin on than guns.
Oh, there are probably more hunting rifles than people in the country, but those tend only to be used for hunting.
QuoteMilperra massacre - Two biker gangs, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_mass_murders)the Comanchero and the Bandidos, engaged in a shoot-out in a hotel car park, killing 7 people in 1984, including a bystander. Only one defendant was acquitted on the murder charges.
Joseph Schwab - 1987, Schwab shot dead 5 people in and around the Kimberley region in Western Australia before being shot dead by police. [1]
Hoddle Street massacre - Armed with two rifles and a shotgun, Julian Knight shot 7 people dead and wounded another 19 in 1987 before surrendering to authorities.
Queen Street massacre - Armed with a sawn-off rifle, Frank Vitkovic roamed the Australia Post building killing 8 and wounding 5, also in 1987. When the weapon was finally wrestled from him, he committed suicide by jumping out of a nearby window.
Surry Hills massacre - Paul Anthony Evers killed 5 people with a 12-gauge shotgun at a public housing precinct in Surry Hills in 1990 before surrendering to police. [2]
Strathfield massacre - In 1991 Wade Frankum killed 7 people and wounded 6 others with a large knife and an SKS before turning the gun on himself when he realised he could not escape.
Central Coast Massacre - Malcolm Baker killed 6 people and injured another with a shotgun in 1992 before being arrested by police.
Port Arthur massacre - In 1996, armed with two semi-automatic rifles, Martin Bryant killed 35 people around Port Arthur and wounded 21 before being caught by police the next day following an overnight siege.
Resctrictions introduced after the last incident -
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Port Arthur Massacre - Semi-automatic rifles and pump action/self-loading shotguns were banned from civilians, and ammunition capacity restricted to 5 rounds in magazine-fed rifles. Licensing is also introduced, and both a firearms license and a buyers permit are necessary to legally purchase a firearm. Furthermore, an acceptable reason must be stated on the permit for buying the weapon, and a minimum 28 day "cooling off" period must be enforced before the issuing of the license.
Monash University shooting - Pistols restricted to .38 calibre and magazine capacity restricted to ten rounds maximum unless under special circumstances. Furthermore, pistol barrels are restricted to a minimum of 120 mm (4.72 inches) and revolver barrels to a minimum of 100 mm (3.94 inches) to make pistols harder to conceal.
(Two people killed)
The list of mass murders doesn't list any gun incidents after laws were changed, I'm not sure how they defined mass murder, the minimum deaths on the list was five. Anyway I don't recall any major incident in the last 16 years. The restrictions were put in place by a conservative government.
It seems to be difficult to commit mass murder with a knife or a black belt in karate.
A chainsaw might do it, but you'd have have pretty strong arms and shoulders and be adventurous to chase after people with that.
Quote from: Asmodean on August 07, 2012, 08:39:55 AM
Oh, there are probably more hunting rifles than people in the country, but those tend only to be used for hunting.
There is a difference between a 0.22 or a shotgun for shooting rabbits and magpies or having an AK47 or 9mm pistol for shooting people.
Quote from: Stevil on August 07, 2012, 12:11:40 PM
It seems to be difficult to commit mass murder with a knife or a black belt in karate.
A chainsaw might do it, but you'd have have pretty strong arms and shoulders and be adventurous to chase after people with that.
I'm not sure about chainsaws, they can clag up, maybe throwing a coat on one would stop it. It's not a good idea to hit something with the tip of the bar. Chainsaws are a good weapon for opponents who don't move around much, trees for example.
The victim might notice the roar as you start your chainsaw. Or he might run away while you're frustratedly pulling the cord for the 8th time.
Quote from: StevilThere is a difference between a 0.22 or a shotgun for shooting rabbits and magpies or having an AK47 or 9mm pistol for shooting people.
I imagine shooting large animals in Scandinavia you'd want something a bit pokier than a .22"
In Norway there are a fair few guns, as sport shooting and hunting are quite popular, but there are some hoops you have to jump through to get a gun licence.
First there is the background check. Gun licences are issued by the police, so they handle the application and check your record while they're at it.
Then you must demonstrate adequate skill and use for a gun, by for example taking the hunters exam or joining and being a member of a registered target shooting club for more then 6 months.
Finally you must demonstrate to the licence issuing police officer that you have adequate storage capability for your weapon and ammo. For example a rifle locker or safe. This to prevent theft of weapon and accidental death of the non-gun users of the household.
Military rifles are of course banned from civilian ownership. If you see such a weapon in a civilian house it is an almost certainty that this person is an active service man or Home Guard.
I own a hunting shotgun, but it is registered in my fathers name and stored in his house since I have yet to take the hunters exam to get my own licence.
Police in Norway don't carry guns regularly on their belts. They keep pistols locked in the patrol cars for those situations where firearms might be needed, but mostly you will not see police carrying anything more severe then pepper gas. We private security dudes are not even that lucky...
Would you consider yourself lucky to drag around a gun and loads of ammo as part of your uniform?
Quote from: Guardian85 on August 07, 2012, 06:23:39 PM
Police in Norway don't carry guns regularly on their belts. They keep pistols locked in the patrol cars for those situations where firearms might be needed, but mostly you will not see police carrying anything more severe then pepper gas. We private security dudes are not even that lucky...
Reminds me of a joke of which the origin eludes me but speaks about police without guns. It goes;
Police to criminal running away: "Stop! or I'll yell 'Stop!' again!"
Quote from: Asmodean on August 07, 2012, 06:32:01 PM
Would you consider yourself lucky to drag around a gun and loads of ammo as part of your uniform?
A little one and a spare clip. Fits snugly on a belt. Or at least a decent whacking stick.
Quote from: AnimatedDirt on August 07, 2012, 06:46:38 PM
Quote from: Guardian85 on August 07, 2012, 06:23:39 PM
Police in Norway don't carry guns regularly on their belts. They keep pistols locked in the patrol cars for those situations where firearms might be needed, but mostly you will not see police carrying anything more severe then pepper gas. We private security dudes are not even that lucky...
Reminds me of a joke of which the origin eludes me but speaks about police without guns. It goes;
Police to criminal running away: "Stop! or I'll yell 'Stop!' again!"
And no innocent bystanders were killed by stray bullets from cops :)
Quote from: Tank on August 07, 2012, 08:53:04 PM
Quote from: AnimatedDirt on August 07, 2012, 06:46:38 PM
Quote from: Guardian85 on August 07, 2012, 06:23:39 PM
Police in Norway don't carry guns regularly on their belts. They keep pistols locked in the patrol cars for those situations where firearms might be needed, but mostly you will not see police carrying anything more severe then pepper gas. We private security dudes are not even that lucky...
Reminds me of a joke of which the origin eludes me but speaks about police without guns. It goes;
Police to criminal running away: "Stop! or I'll yell 'Stop!' again!"
And no innocent bystanders were killed by stray bullets from cops :)
True, but in L.A., cops love their clubs to speak up.
Quote from: Tank on August 07, 2012, 08:53:04 PM
Quote from: AnimatedDirt on August 07, 2012, 06:46:38 PM
Quote from: Guardian85 on August 07, 2012, 06:23:39 PM
Police in Norway don't carry guns regularly on their belts. They keep pistols locked in the patrol cars for those situations where firearms might be needed, but mostly you will not see police carrying anything more severe then pepper gas. We private security dudes are not even that lucky...
Reminds me of a joke of which the origin eludes me but speaks about police without guns. It goes;
Police to criminal running away: "Stop! or I'll yell 'Stop!' again!"
And no innocent bystanders were killed by stray bullets from cops :)
Even if the cops have guns, they aren't allowed to shoot at someone just for running away. There must be present and imminent danger.
Quote from: AnimatedDirt on August 07, 2012, 06:46:38 PM
Quote from: Guardian85 on August 07, 2012, 06:23:39 PM
Police in Norway don't carry guns regularly on their belts. They keep pistols locked in the patrol cars for those situations where firearms might be needed, but mostly you will not see police carrying anything more severe then pepper gas. We private security dudes are not even that lucky...
Reminds me of a joke of which the origin eludes me but speaks about police without guns. It goes;
Police to criminal running away: "Stop! or I'll yell 'Stop!' again!"
Well, most of our cops go easy on the donuts and are generally capable of chasing someone down :P
Quote from: Stevil on August 07, 2012, 10:34:49 PM
Quote from: Tank on August 07, 2012, 08:53:04 PM
Quote from: AnimatedDirt on August 07, 2012, 06:46:38 PM
Quote from: Guardian85 on August 07, 2012, 06:23:39 PM
Police in Norway don't carry guns regularly on their belts. They keep pistols locked in the patrol cars for those situations where firearms might be needed, but mostly you will not see police carrying anything more severe then pepper gas. We private security dudes are not even that lucky...
Reminds me of a joke of which the origin eludes me but speaks about police without guns. It goes;
Police to criminal running away: "Stop! or I'll yell 'Stop!' again!"
And no innocent bystanders were killed by stray bullets from cops :)
Even if the cops have guns, they aren't allowed to shoot at someone just for running away. There must be present and imminent danger.
My mother knows a guy who worked in the police force who said that they aren't allowed to shoot someone in the back when they run away. It's protocol. One day a thief was running away from his partner, then decided to suddenly turn around to shoot the guy right in the head. The cop was stuck in protocol and totally defenseless.
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on August 08, 2012, 05:06:32 PM
My mother knows a guy who worked in the police force who said that they aren't allowed to shoot someone in the back when they run away. It's protocol. One day a thief was running away from his partner, then decided to suddenly turn around to shoot the guy right in the head. The cop was stuck in protocol and totally defenseless.
Its a dangerous job being a cop, they are so under paid and under valued.
Quote from: Stevil on August 08, 2012, 08:00:59 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on August 08, 2012, 05:06:32 PM
My mother knows a guy who worked in the police force who said that they aren't allowed to shoot someone in the back when they run away. It's protocol. One day a thief was running away from his partner, then decided to suddenly turn around to shoot the guy right in the head. The cop was stuck in protocol and totally defenseless.
Its a dangerous job being a cop, they are so under paid and under valued.
Or like an ex-police office once told me, "The police and the gangs are cut from the same cloth, they both desire power and a sense of worth within a community, they just come from different social backgrounds. There are good and bad in both and will both kick your ass without a moments hesitation and use the same reasoning to justify it".
Quote from: Crow on August 08, 2012, 08:33:28 PM
Or like an ex-police office once told me, "The police and the gangs are cut from the same cloth, they both desire power and a sense of worth within a community, they just come from different social backgrounds. There are good and bad in both and will both kick your ass without a moments hesitation and use the same reasoning to justify it".
That's a bit dramatic.
Police don't punch you for looking at them.
Quote from: Stevil on August 08, 2012, 08:58:21 PM
Quote from: Crow on August 08, 2012, 08:33:28 PM
Or like an ex-police office once told me, "The police and the gangs are cut from the same cloth, they both desire power and a sense of worth within a community, they just come from different social backgrounds. There are good and bad in both and will both kick your ass without a moments hesitation and use the same reasoning to justify it".
That's a bit dramatic.
Police don't punch you for looking at them.
They don't need to, their techniques in psychologically bullying render a punch a preferable option.
Quote from: Stevil on August 08, 2012, 08:58:21 PM
Quote from: Crow on August 08, 2012, 08:33:28 PM
Or like an ex-police office once told me, "The police and the gangs are cut from the same cloth, they both desire power and a sense of worth within a community, they just come from different social backgrounds. There are good and bad in both and will both kick your ass without a moments hesitation and use the same reasoning to justify it".
That's a bit dramatic.
Police don't punch you for looking at them.
It's obvious that law enforcement officers in NZ are all loved and cherished by the people. It's not so in Los Angeles...and for good reason of which both sides have reason.
Quote from: Stevil on August 08, 2012, 08:58:21 PM
Quote from: Crow on August 08, 2012, 08:33:28 PM
Or like an ex-police office once told me, "The police and the gangs are cut from the same cloth, they both desire power and a sense of worth within a community, they just come from different social backgrounds. There are good and bad in both and will both kick your ass without a moments hesitation and use the same reasoning to justify it".
That's a bit dramatic.
Police don't punch you for looking at them.
Well I witnessed a friend get one hell of a smack for swearing in the general vicinity of a policeman. But those aren't my words and the person who was the ex-copper worked primarily against organised crime for the majority of his career.
Police do have some authority of the state behind them, so there are at an advantage when compared to gangsters. They don't need to punch you to put you in your place, just waving around their state-issued gun, police handcuffs and badge could probably get the desired effect from most people.
Quote from: Stevil on August 08, 2012, 08:58:21 PM
That's a bit dramatic.
Police don't punch you for looking at them.
No, but some of them (the real cunty ones) will pepper spray you in the face (http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2011/11/21/li-occupy-california-620-ap.jpg) for peaceably protesting.
Like most professions, 99% of the police are good solid people aiming to protect and serve. The remainder are the power hungry bitches giving the rest of them a bad name, and making the populace be skeptical of all of them. To me, a police officer is a normal person that we as a society have given a badge and a gun to, with the expressed purpose of upholding law and order. As soon as the don't do that, they need to not be cops anymore and be treated as criminals.
All that said, I think all police should be required to wear cameras on their uniforms, similar to the ones they have mounted on the dashboards of their cruisers in some places here in the states, as a protection measure for them. I think they should be allowed to use deadly force when necessary (ie: their life is threatened, an innocent bystander's life is threatened, etc) and the cameras would be a true record of the situation.
Quote from: Stevil on August 08, 2012, 08:00:59 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on August 08, 2012, 05:06:32 PM
My mother knows a guy who worked in the police force who said that they aren't allowed to shoot someone in the back when they run away. It's protocol. One day a thief was running away from his partner, then decided to suddenly turn around to shoot the guy right in the head. The cop was stuck in protocol and totally defenseless.
Its a dangerous job being a cop, they are so under paid and under valued.
If that are so grievously underpaid, I assume that there is major difficulty in recruiting them.
The police force in the UK has a mixed record, corruption being a constant spectre, and they have been party to a number of miscarriages of justice. The Gardai in Ireland are not whiter than white either by any means.
Quote from: Scissorlegs on August 06, 2012, 07:57:34 PM
The biggest obstacle in the US is the second ammendment which might have been right for the time it was written, but soooo out of date. There is no going back as the Gun Lobby enjoys massive support and have feet under most serious political tables.
My brother-in-law uses the second amendment in his arguments against mandatory registration and safety courses. I point out to him the right to bear arms isn't specific about which type of arms. Swords and daggers? Do I have the right to park an M1A1 Abrams Main Battle Tank with a 120mm round in the chamber in my front yard? Also, we are required to register our cars in the states, and cars weren't INTENDED to kill people.
Quote from: En_Route on August 09, 2012, 11:11:52 AM
Quote from: Stevil on August 08, 2012, 08:00:59 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on August 08, 2012, 05:06:32 PM
My mother knows a guy who worked in the police force who said that they aren't allowed to shoot someone in the back when they run away. It's protocol. One day a thief was running away from his partner, then decided to suddenly turn around to shoot the guy right in the head. The cop was stuck in protocol and totally defenseless.
Its a dangerous job being a cop, they are so under paid and under valued.
If that are so grievously underpaid, I assume that there is major difficulty in recruiting them.
There is a police academy that is near enough to me that I cross paths with regularly as they are on their morning or afternoon run. It is always about the same in number which leads me to conclude the class is a full class. It is my observation that some of these recruits seem to be the same 'thugs' from the inner city minus the gang related tats. Even running around as recruits, they think they own the road...
Starting salary is about $47k "up to" $83k ( LAPD Salary (http://www.joinlapd.com/salary.html) PLUS Benefits (http://www.joinlapd.com/benefits.html)) Not bad. Underpaid? I don't think so as no one is forced into that job.
Quote from: En_Route on August 09, 2012, 11:11:52 AM
Quote from: Stevil on August 08, 2012, 08:00:59 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on August 08, 2012, 05:06:32 PM
My mother knows a guy who worked in the police force who said that they aren't allowed to shoot someone in the back when they run away. It's protocol. One day a thief was running away from his partner, then decided to suddenly turn around to shoot the guy right in the head. The cop was stuck in protocol and totally defenseless.
Its a dangerous job being a cop, they are so under paid and under valued.
If that are so grievously underpaid, I assume that there is major difficulty in recruiting them.
The police force in the UK has a mixed record, corruption being a constant spectre, and they have been party to a number of miscarriages of justice. The Gardai in Ireland are not whiter than white either by any means.
In Brazil these sorts of jobs usually appeal more to the poorer classes. People place a
lot of importance in public/government and stable jobs, and being a policeman is one of the few that people with less education have better access too. It only requires a high school diploma, I think. No difficulty here recruiting them.
Quote from: En_Route on August 09, 2012, 11:11:52 AM
If that are so grievously underpaid, I assume that there is major difficulty in recruiting them.
The police force in the UK has a mixed record, corruption being a constant spectre, and they have been party to a number of miscarriages of justice. The Gardai in Ireland are not whiter than white either by any means.
This post makes me want to watch The Guard (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJxBKglv2zw) again.
Quote from: Crow on August 09, 2012, 05:43:21 PM
Quote from: En_Route on August 09, 2012, 11:11:52 AM
If that are so grievously underpaid, I assume that there is major difficulty in recruiting them.
The police force in the UK has a mixed record, corruption being a constant spectre, and they have been party to a number of miscarriages of justice. The Gardai in Ireland are not whiter than white either by any means.
This post makes me want to watch The Guard (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJxBKglv2zw) again.
You might well enjoy " I went down" with Brendan Gleeson if you haven't already seen it.
The Shield. That series sort of pleased The Grayness.
Quote from: Asmodean on August 09, 2012, 08:17:39 PM
The Shield. That series sort of pleased The Grayness.
I got into that a few years ago. (If we mean the same series)
Quote from: Sweetdeath on August 10, 2012, 06:27:03 AM
Quote from: Asmodean on August 09, 2012, 08:17:39 PM
The Shield. That series sort of pleased The Grayness.
I got into that a few years ago. (If we mean the same series)
Starts with a cool bald cop and an uncool one with hair killing a third cop, yes?