There is also the shroud of turin, which verifies Jesus in a new way than other evidences.
Quote from: zorkan on December 08, 2025, 03:10:16 PMWould different plants respond to the same vocal stimulus?
Why not just play Mozart?
Quote from: Recusant on December 09, 2025, 12:28:50 AMThank you it was not intent to be preachy at all, but thanks. I thought that I answered the question in a reply why but may be I missed something. I saw the question in the morning and found it is a bit difficult to reply and already had an idea for what I wrote for something else just my own blog. When I wrote that it seemed I answered the concerns I had with the post. It seemed that the poster didn't know how Jesus himself still supports people who are Christians on the earth by saying he was on earth still in physical form. He is not but he sends help by his Holy Spirit so I thought that I would state that. I put my own life experience when asked and also the scripture itself as we know is written in inspiration and Luke is said to be the most accurate historical version and the Dead Sea scrolls provide pieces of information to.Quote from: GreenBlaze on December 08, 2025, 11:43:56 PMHI Recusant it was not my aim to preach here in this thread, but to provide accurate information to a thread that I saw that had wrong information. I think that is important. I didn't start the thread.
Hi
What you've provided is "accurate information" about what you believe. What you've failed to do is provide any support for your implicit claim that your religious text is an objective source of evidence. I consider writing "This is not a preachy bit . . ." above a wall of preaching text to be disingenuous. Quoted below.The Good News From GreenBlaze
Quote from: GreenBlaze on December 07, 2025, 10:40:48 AMHi, I would say most Christians do not believe that Jesus is on earth as you say. I am a Christian and have never heard this and my church doesn't support this either. He doesn't lie, he is resurrected as he said. He has undergone the 1st resurrection of Christ and we are waiting on the 2nd coming of Christ. His disciples saw him after his 1st resurrection and then he went up to Heaven.
I wrote this today and this is how I think most Christians think that Jesus continues his presence on earth. He is in heaven though. I will share with you a post first about the supernatural world in terms of the faith as it sounds supernatural to me what you are saying, but that is as far as I go and I know that Jesus went up to Heaven as he said literally in the body. https://www.racheltestimony.com/2025/07/just-having-fun-with-alex-mack-kid-spin.html
This is not a preachy bit to come, but I wrote it today and it fits how he helps today. Not caught in a Jewish restaurant in the UK or by the sea. This may help some to understand more if they do not.
The Good Shepherd How does Jesus care for his flock as believers today-
Jesus cares for his followers and we are his sheep and he is the good shepherd as he called himself in the New Testament (John 10:14). Let's see what he called himself- " I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine." What are the qualities of a good shepherd. The qualities of a good shepherd is that they are protective, caring and that they are a good guide. Jesus counts everyone of us and wants us to get through to eternal life. This reminds me somewhat of Peter in Heidi the children's classic which I read and loved as a child by Joanna Spyri. Peter looked after the goats responsibly and with great affection to. Peter would herd his goats up and take good care of them. Jesus is like this with us and we are though his sheep.
How does Jesus today take care of his followers on earth-
1. Jesus sends his followers the Holy Spirit as a comforter in life which makes life more bearable (John 14:26).
2. Jesus offers his followers/sheep the promise of eternal life "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand" (John 10:28).
3. Jesus today gives us the Eucharist and feeds us through his Communion which is blessed at church-The Eucharist offers us the remission/forgiveness of sins so he forgives peoples sins and allows people to be a member of the Body Christ which Jesus Christ is the head of (1 Ephesians 1:22).
4. If the will of God Jesus can still heal us which has happened to me and this happens through the Holy Spirit today since he was resurrected to Heaven.
5. Jesus will help his followers fight spiritual wars today and will protect his lamb which we are against the wolves. He is more hands on and protective than he was on earth in Heaven as evil practices have gone up and he needs to protect his sheep against the wolf (John 10:12). The gifts he appoints of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians :12) may help with protection to if you have been given those gifts which is dependent on the needs you have in life. In Ephesians 6:12 we learn- "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. It is Jesus who appoints to the Holy Spirit gifts to his church members (Ephesians 4). In this role Jesus will act in protecting us against wolves which try to overtake his lamb (us) to and they will not be successful as promises us. Let's draw courage as well from Jesus' words of courage to us that Satan's plan will never work for his Church-that is for the members and the church itself (Mat 16:18).
6. Jesus really cares for you and will stand behind you supporting you in life as the stronghold and may be quiet at most times just peeping in to make sure you are ok "As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep (John 10:15). Jesus also said that he has divine love for his followers (John 15:9) (John 13:34-35).
7. Jesus gives us his church to support us with our spiritual journey (Hebrews 10:25).
8. Jesus does not give his followers a burden and so with your choices, you can do what you can. Jesus came to fulfil the law of the prophets and not to be a law breaker (Mark 2:27) . God the Father, was to the Shepherd of Israel and God which led them for 40 years and God still guides us today as the Father of all. God is the Jehovah Raah which means the Lord my Shepherd. This reminds me of Peter's grandfather who was the supreme lead in charge.
Quote from: GreenBlaze on December 08, 2025, 11:43:56 PMHI Recusant it was not my aim to preach here in this thread, but to provide accurate information to a thread that I saw that had wrong information. I think that is important. I didn't start the thread.
Hi
Quote from: GreenBlaze on December 07, 2025, 10:40:48 AMHi, I would say most Christians do not believe that Jesus is on earth as you say. I am a Christian and have never heard this and my church doesn't support this either. He doesn't lie, he is resurrected as he said. He has undergone the 1st resurrection of Christ and we are waiting on the 2nd coming of Christ. His disciples saw him after his 1st resurrection and then he went up to Heaven.
I wrote this today and this is how I think most Christians think that Jesus continues his presence on earth. He is in heaven though. I will share with you a post first about the supernatural world in terms of the faith as it sounds supernatural to me what you are saying, but that is as far as I go and I know that Jesus went up to Heaven as he said literally in the body. https://www.racheltestimony.com/2025/07/just-having-fun-with-alex-mack-kid-spin.html
This is not a preachy bit to come, but I wrote it today and it fits how he helps today. Not caught in a Jewish restaurant in the UK or by the sea. This may help some to understand more if they do not.
The Good Shepherd How does Jesus care for his flock as believers today-
Jesus cares for his followers and we are his sheep and he is the good shepherd as he called himself in the New Testament (John 10:14). Let's see what he called himself- " I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine." What are the qualities of a good shepherd. The qualities of a good shepherd is that they are protective, caring and that they are a good guide. Jesus counts everyone of us and wants us to get through to eternal life. This reminds me somewhat of Peter in Heidi the children's classic which I read and loved as a child by Joanna Spyri. Peter looked after the goats responsibly and with great affection to. Peter would herd his goats up and take good care of them. Jesus is like this with us and we are though his sheep.
How does Jesus today take care of his followers on earth-
1. Jesus sends his followers the Holy Spirit as a comforter in life which makes life more bearable (John 14:26).
2. Jesus offers his followers/sheep the promise of eternal life "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand" (John 10:28).
3. Jesus today gives us the Eucharist and feeds us through his Communion which is blessed at church-The Eucharist offers us the remission/forgiveness of sins so he forgives peoples sins and allows people to be a member of the Body Christ which Jesus Christ is the head of (1 Ephesians 1:22).
4. If the will of God Jesus can still heal us which has happened to me and this happens through the Holy Spirit today since he was resurrected to Heaven.
5. Jesus will help his followers fight spiritual wars today and will protect his lamb which we are against the wolves. He is more hands on and protective than he was on earth in Heaven as evil practices have gone up and he needs to protect his sheep against the wolf (John 10:12). The gifts he appoints of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians :12) may help with protection to if you have been given those gifts which is dependent on the needs you have in life. In Ephesians 6:12 we learn- "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. It is Jesus who appoints to the Holy Spirit gifts to his church members (Ephesians 4). In this role Jesus will act in protecting us against wolves which try to overtake his lamb (us) to and they will not be successful as promises us. Let's draw courage as well from Jesus' words of courage to us that Satan's plan will never work for his Church-that is for the members and the church itself (Mat 16:18).
6. Jesus really cares for you and will stand behind you supporting you in life as the stronghold and may be quiet at most times just peeping in to make sure you are ok "As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep (John 10:15). Jesus also said that he has divine love for his followers (John 15:9) (John 13:34-35).
7. Jesus gives us his church to support us with our spiritual journey (Hebrews 10:25).
8. Jesus does not give his followers a burden and so with your choices, you can do what you can. Jesus came to fulfil the law of the prophets and not to be a law breaker (Mark 2:27) . God the Father, was to the Shepherd of Israel and God which led them for 40 years and God still guides us today as the Father of all. God is the Jehovah Raah which means the Lord my Shepherd. This reminds me of Peter's grandfather who was the supreme lead in charge.
Quote from: Recusant on December 08, 2025, 09:58:23 PMIt's a pleasure to see followers of various myths stop by to parade their gaudy holiday vestments for us humble atheists. It's like sowing seeds in the road, to indirectly quote one mythical deity. Mildly amusing, if nothing else.HI Recusant it was not my aim to preach here in this thread, but to provide accurate information to a thread that I saw that had wrong information. I think that is important. I didn't start the thread.
Of course both GreenBlaze and godincarnate.me would appear to have violated our rule against preaching. I'll see if anybody remains in the mod section to consult about that.![]()
Quote from: zorkan on December 08, 2025, 04:40:33 PMThe shepherd, the lost sheep is simply a children's fairy tale.