Title: Evolution's new opponent...Ben Stein? Wtf?
Post by: User192021 on October 23, 2007, 03:55:27 AM
Post by: User192021 on October 23, 2007, 03:55:27 AM
Apparently Ben Stein made a movie which opposes the "dominance of Darwinian evolutionary theory" in science. I had no idea Ben Stein went for this kind of stuff. Kind of threw me for a loop. Anyway, I guess this is the creationists' latest attempt at creating the illusion of a "controversy" within the scientific community.
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20 ... w_Film.htm (http://www.christianpost.com/article/20070928/29497_Ben_Stein_Confronts_Dominance_of_Darwinian_Thought_in_New_Film.htm)
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20 ... w_Film.htm (http://www.christianpost.com/article/20070928/29497_Ben_Stein_Confronts_Dominance_of_Darwinian_Thought_in_New_Film.htm)
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Post by: Squid on October 23, 2007, 04:34:42 AM
Post by: Squid on October 23, 2007, 04:34:42 AM
They also used underhanded methods to speak with some scientists:
Clicky (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/27/science/27expelled.html?_r=2&n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/People/D/Dean,%20Cornelia&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)
Clicky (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/27/science/27expelled.html?_r=2&n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/People/D/Dean,%20Cornelia&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)
Title: Re: Evolution's new opponent...Ben Stein? Wtf?
Post by: rlrose328 on October 23, 2007, 05:52:55 AM
Post by: rlrose328 on October 23, 2007, 05:52:55 AM
Quote from: "User192021"Apparently Ben Stein made a movie which opposes the "dominance of Darwinian evolutionary theory" in science. I had no idea Ben Stein went for this kind of stuff. Kind of threw me for a loop. Anyway, I guess this is the creationists' latest attempt at creating the illusion of a "controversy" within the scientific community.
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20 ... w_Film.htm (http://www.christianpost.com/article/20070928/29497_Ben_Stein_Confronts_Dominance_of_Darwinian_Thought_in_New_Film.htm)
It doesn't surprise me at all... Ben Stein was a speechwriter for the Republican presidents from way back and has always been on the very conservative side of the river. It bums me out whenever I remember that because I loved him in "Ferris Bueller" and I adored his game show and then I remember that I do not agree with him on anything with regard to politics and, probably, religion.
Here is his blog... I'm quite disappointed by what I read there:
http://www.expelledthemovie.com/blog/20 ... bens-blog/ (http://www.expelledthemovie.com/blog/2007/08/21/bens-blog/)
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Post by: User192021 on October 23, 2007, 07:09:03 AM
Post by: User192021 on October 23, 2007, 07:09:03 AM
Here's a comment posted by a reader on his blog. 
I have some real fears that this film, however dishonest, will lend credibility to the creationist agenda and may change the minds of some of the "on the fence" Christians out there. The scientific community needs to step up and put a stop to this nonsense before this country slides back into the middle ages.
QuoteIf you had a ludicrous point of view, and wanted to shine it up and make it appear reasonable, who would you choose for the task? How about a political speech writer? Better yet…President Nixon’s speechwriter!
I have some real fears that this film, however dishonest, will lend credibility to the creationist agenda and may change the minds of some of the "on the fence" Christians out there. The scientific community needs to step up and put a stop to this nonsense before this country slides back into the middle ages.
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Post by: Will on October 23, 2007, 04:37:56 PM
Post by: Will on October 23, 2007, 04:37:56 PM
He was a politician by trade before being an actor, not a scientist. I mean he worked for Nixon, aka Bush light. Color me unsurprised.
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Post by: ryanvc76 on October 23, 2007, 09:05:31 PM
Post by: ryanvc76 on October 23, 2007, 09:05:31 PM
Has anyone else noticed how many people have gone from acting to politics and vice versa. It seems that both professions are based on fooling an audience into believing what they want you to - go figure!
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Post by: rlrose328 on October 24, 2007, 12:59:01 AM
Post by: rlrose328 on October 24, 2007, 12:59:01 AM
Quote from: "ryanvc76"It seems that both professions are based on fooling an audience into believing what they want you too - go figure!
You NAILED that one! :lol:
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Post by: SteveS on October 24, 2007, 06:12:16 PM
Post by: SteveS on October 24, 2007, 06:12:16 PM
Quote from: "Squid"They also used underhanded methods to speak with some scientists:Creationist using underhanded tactics when speaking with scientists?
Say it ain't so!Seriously - maybe creationists evolved from worms. Or weasels.
:wink:
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Post by: Will on October 24, 2007, 10:53:07 PM
Post by: Will on October 24, 2007, 10:53:07 PM
Creationists evolved from apes that didn't think they evolved from monkeys.
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Post by: donkeyhoty on October 25, 2007, 02:03:33 AM
Post by: donkeyhoty on October 25, 2007, 02:03:33 AM
Quote from: "Willravel"Creationists evolved from apes that didn't think they evolved from monkeys.I don't normally type this, but LOL.
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Post by: SteveS on October 25, 2007, 03:05:02 AM
Post by: SteveS on October 25, 2007, 03:05:02 AM
Haha! Good one Willravel - that's perfect! Hehe....
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Post by: Jesster85 on October 25, 2007, 03:29:11 AM
Post by: Jesster85 on October 25, 2007, 03:29:11 AM
Wow, I can't believe that. I really liked Ben Stein too. At least on the blog for the web site there is a lot of negetive posts.
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Post by: SabineMaia on November 04, 2007, 07:41:21 PM
Post by: SabineMaia on November 04, 2007, 07:41:21 PM
Wow. Wow. It never ceases to amaze me just how low some people will stoop to validate their insupportable ideas. "ID isn't welcomed by the scientific community -- it's a conspiracy!" WTF? It's not a conspiracy, it's just science abused.
You know, sometimes I do think ID should be taught alongside evolution, just as a means of demonstrationg what bad scientific method is, as opposed to good scientific method. Maybe that could quell some of this clap-trap from rearing its ugly head with each new generation.
You know, sometimes I do think ID should be taught alongside evolution, just as a means of demonstrationg what bad scientific method is, as opposed to good scientific method. Maybe that could quell some of this clap-trap from rearing its ugly head with each new generation.
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Post by: Girl Dancing In Orbit on December 28, 2007, 01:12:23 AM
Post by: Girl Dancing In Orbit on December 28, 2007, 01:12:23 AM
That thing about Ben Stein surprised me... I didn't know the guy at all, but I liked his show "win Ben Stein's money" I thought he was intelligent, well maybe he is... But I now need to be convinced of that again.
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Post by: Big Mac on January 05, 2008, 05:55:09 PM
Post by: Big Mac on January 05, 2008, 05:55:09 PM
Quote from: "Willravel"Creationists evolved from apes that didn't think they evolved from monkeys.
To all creationists who ask what good is half an eye, I counter with this simple adage: What good is half a brain?
I'm a conservative guy (on most things) but I find this a disappointment. Stein has always been one of those people I respect in connection with the Republican party but this is just disheartening. I heard him talking with some ultra-christian station at work and was just sad to hear about this movie a few months ago. The same station went on to say that "water-boarding" is not torture.
Frankly, neo-con types like that make me rather ill.
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Post by: Will on January 05, 2008, 06:45:35 PM
Post by: Will on January 05, 2008, 06:45:35 PM
Response to signature picture: Whoa, wait a second. Hillary is a neocon in Dem's clothing, not a socialist.
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Post by: Big Mac on January 05, 2008, 06:53:03 PM
Post by: Big Mac on January 05, 2008, 06:53:03 PM
Quote from: "Willravel"Response to signature picture: Whoa, wait a second. Hillary is a neocon in Dem's clothing, not a socialist.
Feh, cute but wrong. The Clintons are notorious commies. Remember how Bill and Boris were so buddy-buddy? Classic Commie Comrades.
Can't spell Democratic Repulic without Democrat.
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Post by: Will on January 05, 2008, 11:21:37 PM
Post by: Will on January 05, 2008, 11:21:37 PM
The US is a constitutional republic. Just FYI, from a poli sci major.
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Post by: Big Mac on January 05, 2008, 11:58:17 PM
Post by: Big Mac on January 05, 2008, 11:58:17 PM
Quote from: "Willravel"The US is a constitutional republic. Just FYI, from a poli sci major.
I'm referring to countries such as North Korea whose official names are "The Democratic Republic of <Cuntry>".
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Post by: Will on January 06, 2008, 12:40:01 AM
Post by: Will on January 06, 2008, 12:40:01 AM
OH... well to be fair China isn't exactly communist.
/threadjack
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Post by: Big Mac on January 06, 2008, 12:49:13 AM
Post by: Big Mac on January 06, 2008, 12:49:13 AM
Quote from: "Willravel"OH... well to be fair China isn't exactly communist.
/threadjack
Close enough. Just like a diamond can't be perfect, so is the same with philosophies. Otherwise, if we followed our constitution perfectly then I'd be able to pack my snubbie wherever I please. If only that were true.
At any rate, stop being a party-pooper.....gawd!!!
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Post by: donkeyhoty on January 06, 2008, 11:39:40 PM
Post by: donkeyhoty on January 06, 2008, 11:39:40 PM
Calling the Clintons commies is like calling G-dub and the neo-con(artists) facists. It's insulting to both commies and facists.