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There were obvious atheistic undertone in the movie. Some scenes showed Moslems and Catholics praying fervently before God for deliverance but to no avail. ceilings crumbled over them and men died praying for salvation. It is as if it was suggesting that No God can save human beings from termination except by hiring a private plane and pursuing a map in Yellowstone park to go to china in order to slip at the back door of the ark… Also, anywhere in the film, NO faith has been emphasized. It was all too obvious that 2012 is telling us that when doomsday comes, it is only man and a little bit luck can save himself from total annihilation.

Another one is, when the movie began showing Landmarks and Cities collapsing, including Rio De Janeiro’s giant Jesus Statue and the Vatican’s St. Peter’s cathedral and the Sistine Chapel, I was waiting for other religious shrine to be destroyed. The Ankor Wat in Cambodia? The Mecca in Saudi Arabia? The Pyramid of Giza? or the Giant Buddha in Thailand? uh-uh, none of them were destroyed. Wonder why?

The answer is simply, Emmerich was afraid that the Moslems will declare a fatwa on him.

So what Emmerich is saying is, “let us not destroy Islamic sites lest they might retaliate. Let’s just bombard Vatican and Catholic shrines and symbols because they can do nothing”.

Roland Emmerich is a Marxist by political ideology and an Atheist by religion. He doesn’t believe in any God except for himself, much like what most atheists stand for. Atheist has been very aggressive and vocal against the Catholic church yet nowhere in their blogs or in their statements would you find any prejudice against Moslems because it is clear that Christianity is a fair game precisely because Christians cannot hurt them. It is taught in one’s Christian upbringing that it’s not our nature to revenge. That’s why Hollywood with the likes of Emmerich can ridicule and lambaste catholicism and Christianity however they like since Christians are taught not to retaliate… Classic.

This is the main reason why I don’t believe in Atheistic Ideologies. They are cowards who bully Christians who doesn’t take offense against them. It’s like they are in the Children’s park, bullying only the kids who they know they can obviously overpower without having the threat of retaliation.

I am not saying that Islamic sites should be destroyed in the film. All I’m saying is that, if Emmerich is really against organized religion, then don’t pick on the ones he can easily bully. If Emmerich really believes that there is no God, then why not destroy even the Islamic Holy sites?

He can’t and he’ll never will.

Because he is afraid of the Fatwa or any attacks coming from the Moslem extremist or a worldwide protest against him by the Moslem community.

Same with atheist, they pick on Christians on their blogs as an easy target yet they can’t even have the balls to stand their ground against Moslems.

All you godless atheist are cowards!

wut? Um...thats pretty damn paranoid.

Perhaps the reason he chose "Christian" sites (not to mention the many, MANY secular sites he chose) are that it's prime audience are Americans in specific and westerners in general. Since many of the targeted viewers are going to be Christian it would be more of an impact for the film to see everything important to the target audience destroyed. It's supposed to be emotional. If it had been produced in the Midle East I could see many muslim sites destroyed (the pyramids are WAY pre-Islam btw), or produced in Asia, Ankor Wat (which is an abandned city not specificly religious in any way) or on of the large statue of Budha would have been shown destroyed. Many of the sites chosen in the film were probably picked for the greatest emotional impact to the target audience, not because he wanted to pick on the "poor, oppresed, Christians. The fact you seem to be mssing is THE ENTIRE WORLD IS DESTROYED not just "Cristian" countres. The movie is pretty long as it is showing every major landmark in the entire world would take hours if not dayss.

Stop looking for conspericies where none exist.

All you godless atheist are cowards!

QuoteAll you godless atheist are cowards!

Godless Atheist is a bit redundant don't you think? I'm sorry if I don't take the word of a person who does cut and paste spam attacks rather then have an open diologue on what cowardice is.

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http://bluepanjeet.net/2009/11/17/5871/2012s-atheistic-undertone-roland-emmerichs-cowardice/


...so which strike is that?

The OP needs to get out more.

Some people can find hidden messages in any movie.  I had a co-worker once (very Christian btw) who swore up and down that in the movie "The Ring" that the little girl who kept killing everyone was actually an angel.  Apparently he read some Christian interpretation of the movie and ... well its pretty obvious they can see stuff that isn't there.  Come on now God and the Bible as the word of God ... pfft.  A loving message in the bible at that ... .

How do I explain this simply...oh right...It's a freakin movie.

Quote from: "curiosityandthecat"...so which strike is that?

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PJ, at HAF copy and paste posting is considered spamming.  Also, if you continue to start new topics but neglect to respond in the ones you have already created I will consider every new topic of yours spam.  So, if you want to stick around, respond thoughtfully to responses to your posts and don't post copy and paste text (even if it is your own work).

Quote from: "pj084527"Same with atheist, they pick on Christians on their blogs as an easy target yet they can’t even have the balls to stand their ground against Moslems.

I think someone needs to do a bit more research before making themselves appear crazy, paranoid and ignorant.  

Just a couple examples:

Infidel :A female atheist tells her story of being abused by fundamentalist Islam
http://www.amazon.com/Infidel-Ayaan-Hir ... 0743289692 (http://www.amazon.com/Infidel-Ayaan-Hirsi-Ali/dp/0743289692)

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^obviously directed at Islamic Extremism

and recently at HAF:  viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4219 (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4219)

Quote from: "curiosityandthecat"...so which strike is that?

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Quote from: "pj084527"There were obvious atheistic undertone in the movie. Some scenes showed Moslems and Catholics praying fervently before God for deliverance but to no avail. ceilings crumbled over them and men died praying for salvation. It is as if it was suggesting that No God can save human beings from termination except by hiring a private plane and pursuing a map in Yellowstone park to go to china in order to slip at the back door of the ark… Also, anywhere in the film, NO faith has been emphasized. It was all too obvious that 2012 is telling us that when doomsday comes, it is only man and a little bit luck can save himself from total annihilation.

Please describe in detail, citing verifiable evidence, the last time that god or gods intervened with the universe in a way that cannot be attributed to any natural phenomena. Go ahead, I'll wait.

For the record, nearly 6 billion people died in the 2012 movie, and about 1 billion of them were Muslim. The only reason we didn't see Mecca getting hit by a pyramid being carried by a tidal wave was the very real threat of violence from Muslim religious extremists. Actual physical violence. I'd say the lack of Islamic destruction visible directly in the film is actually a very real condemnation of radical Islam. Because the more radical elements of that faith act like little children, they don't get to join in our fun disaster porn. It's their loss, regardless of whether they see it that way or not.

So, was Titanic an atheistic propaganda film, too?  People were praying on the deck as the ship sank and they weren't saved, either.

Quote from: "pj084527"All you godless atheist are cowards!

Um, because we aren't willing to die for our art?  Why should we be willing to die for our art?  Maybe you are willing to die for your belief because you think it's real, we aren't willing to die just because we disagree with you.

Believers always forget that atheism isn't a religion, we aren't like religious people who are willing to die for their beliefs because... atheism isn't a religion.  Why would we die for a non-belief or risk death to prove that you really, really disagree with somebody else?  What kind of fool would do that, anyway?

Quote from: "Whitney"How do I explain this simply...oh right...It's a freakin movie.

Clearly the fact that the rising action of Die Hard all happened during a Christmas Party shows that Die Hard is a film meant to attack the Christian faith as a whole! More specifically, giant christmas trees in office buildings.

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Quote from: "Whitney"How do I explain this simply...oh right...It's a freakin movie.

Clearly the fact that the rising action of Die Hard all happened during a Christmas Party shows that Die Hard is a film meant to attack the Christian faith as a whole! More specifically, giant christmas trees in office buildings.

...did you just watch the nostalgia critic??

pj084527  I actually found the first part of your post really interesting and I want to watch the movie (umm, when it comes out on video) to see if I see the same events and symbolism as you, and find out what I think for myself.


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I think you should have stopped right after you wrote the word "Classic".  You must understand that what this movie portrays is not official propaganda authorized by the Office of Atheist Intelligence.  (And as far as an Office of Atheist Intelligence, there isn't one, it doesn't exist, THAT WAS A JOKE.)

We have no vatican.  We have no leaders.  We have no preachers.  Each one of us is responsible for our own opinions, artwork and speech.  We are not an official group.  If this movie offended you, take offense with the director alone and not with us as a whole.  I think perhaps there are other explanations for the events shown in the movie, i.e. Christian monuments were shown being destroyed because this was a movie created for a Western audience familiar with Western symbols of culture and therefore the destruction of these would have a greater emotional impact.  Other monuments may not have been recognized by an audience unfamiliar with them, or caused positive feelings (say the destruction of a mosque)  in a Western audience.

As far as the depiction of worshippers being destroyed despite their prayers, I think this is just reality.

If there ever is a catastrophe pj084527, you do not stop to pray or rely on faith, you must use your head, do not panic, assess the danger and the situation, remember your basic physical needs and act fast.  This is how to survive.

Haha you're totally right!

I didn't think it was a really good movie. Why does Roland Emmerich always blow up the world?

Speaking of Atheist propaganda, I just watched a small film called THE EVANGELIST. It's funny. I'm sure it can be interpreted as a religious film, but it totally came across as an advocate for freethinking. It's about a young boy who goes on a religious crusade and totally freaks out!

See for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVI3VeSavtw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVI3VeSavtw)

I think you can also watch the film on July 6 on the website: http://theevangelistmovie.wordpress.com/web-premiere/ (http://theevangelistmovie.wordpress.com/web-premiere/)

WHY CAN'T WE JUST GET ALONG?

Quote from: "MrDavidBowers"Haha you're totally right!

I didn't think it was a really good movie. Why does Roland Emmerich always blow up the world?

Speaking of Atheist propaganda, I just watched a small film called THE EVANGELIST. It's funny. I'm sure it can be interpreted as a religious film, but it totally came across as an advocate for freethinking. It's about a young boy who goes on a religious crusade and totally freaks out!

See for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVI3VeSavtw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVI3VeSavtw)

I think you can also watch the film on July 6 on the website: http://theevangelistmovie.wordpress.com/web-premiere/ (http://theevangelistmovie.wordpress.com/web-premiere/)

WHY CAN'T WE JUST GET ALONG?

BECAUSE OF CAPS LOCK!!!!  

I wasted 2 and a half hours of my life watching this movie. Luckily I didn't pay for the ticket.  

Quote from: "Cecilie"I wasted 2 and a half hours of my life watching this movie. Luckily I didn't pay for the ticket.  

Well it wasn't too bad, sort of 6/10 like any effects movie with no decernable plot eg Avatar

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Quote from: "Cecilie"I wasted 2 and a half hours of my life watching this movie. Luckily I didn't pay for the ticket.  

Well it wasn't too bad, sort of 6/10 like any effects movie with no decernable plot eg Avatar

What does 'decernable' mean?

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Quote from: "Cecilie"I wasted 2 and a half hours of my life watching this movie. Luckily I didn't pay for the ticket.  :D

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Quote from: "Cecilie"I wasted 2 and a half hours of my life watching this movie. Luckily I didn't pay for the ticket.  :D

It was a total cliché.

It was still awesome.

Quote from: "karadan"It was still awesome.

The special effects, yes. The plot, no.

Well what do you expect? It was a James Cameron film! I still thought the plot was awesome. But then i'm a sucker for sci-fi.

I loved Avatar. It was awesome

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Quote from: "Cecilie"I wasted 2 and a half hours of my life watching this movie. Luckily I didn't pay for the ticket.  

Well it wasn't too bad, sort of 6/10 like any effects movie with no decernable plot eg Avatar

What does 'decernable' mean?

Discernible. Might have helped if I had spelt it right.

To be able to see something, to pick it out from a background. For example one could say one had 'discerned a persons argument' one had understood it. So to have 'no discernible plot' would mean it had no plot that one could recognise. Does that help?

I loved Avatar, but it could have been so much better  

Quote from: "Tank"I loved Avatar, but it could have been so much better  

Yeah, it could have had Arnie in it :p

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Quote from: "Tank"I loved Avatar, but it could have been so much better  

Yeah, it could have had Arnie in it :p

Yes. But only if it had been made in his hay day.

Quote from: "karadan"Well what do you expect? It was a James Cameron film!

Well you got me there.

QuoteI think you should have stopped right after you wrote the word "Classic". You must understand that what this movie portrays is not official propaganda authorized by the Office of Atheist Intelligence. (And as far as an Office of Atheist Intelligence, there isn't one, it doesn't exist, THAT WAS A JOKE.)

I think you may have violated security procedures with this post.

Equating movies with Rorschach pictures here: what I "saw" while watching it  was the downfall of religion in the world, with it being put in its proper place in this new millenia. I especially felt all giddy when they used B.C.E instead of B.C in the movie. Not atheistic propaganda, but atheistic expression.

But I could have gotten it all wrong. The director could be trying to tell us that it was the Mayans that had it right all along, and that the world will end because their gods are just as petty and jealous as any other power-hungry human being trying to enslave minds. Oh, well.

Seriously now, the original post is stupid.

Quote from: "xSilverPhinx"Equating movies with Rorschach pictures here: what I "saw" while watching it  was the downfall of religion in the world, with it being put in its proper place in this new millenia. I especially felt all giddy when they used B.C.E instead of B.C in the movie. Not atheistic propaganda, but atheistic expression.

But I could have gotten it all wrong. The director could be trying to tell us that it was the Mayans that had it right all along, and that the world will end because their gods are just as petty and jealous as any other power-hungry human being trying to enslave minds. Oh, well.

Seriously now, the original post is stupid.

I love how you managed to drag Watchmen into this.  

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Quote from: "xSilverPhinx"Equating movies with Rorschach pictures here: what I "saw" while watching it  was the downfall of religion in the world, with it being put in its proper place in this new millenia. I especially felt all giddy when they used B.C.E instead of B.C in the movie. Not atheistic propaganda, but atheistic expression.

But I could have gotten it all wrong. The director could be trying to tell us that it was the Mayans that had it right all along, and that the world will end because their gods are just as petty and jealous as any other power-hungry human being trying to enslave minds. Oh, well.

Seriously now, the original post is stupid.

I love how you managed to drag Watchmen into this.  :cool:

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Quote from: "Cecilie"

Quote from: "xSilverPhinx"Equating movies with Rorschach pictures here: what I "saw" while watching it  was the downfall of religion in the world, with it being put in its proper place in this new millenia. I especially felt all giddy when they used B.C.E instead of B.C in the movie. Not atheistic propaganda, but atheistic expression.

But I could have gotten it all wrong. The director could be trying to tell us that it was the Mayans that had it right all along, and that the world will end because their gods are just as petty and jealous as any other power-hungry human being trying to enslave minds. Oh, well.

Seriously now, the original post is stupid.

I love how you managed to drag Watchmen into this.  :cool:

Totally.  

Quote from: "pj084527"Some scenes showed Moslems and Catholics praying fervently before God for deliverance but to no avail.

He should ask him self why it is in the real world, 26 000 children that dies of hunger alone EVERY DAY who prays for salvation, but to no avail?

He would rather be upset about this in a bloody movie. The narrow mindedness is staggering.

Real question here is: What are you doing watching 2012?

Quote from: "RappingAgnostic"Real question here is: What are you doing watching 2012?

Getting acting lessons from John Cusack?

Quote from: "RappingAgnostic"Real question here is: What are you doing watching 2012?

I watched 2012 at the cinema on a Tuesday afternoon with my eldest daughter because there was nothing better to do. It  did benefit from being seen on the big screen.

Quote from: "RappingAgnostic"Real question here is: What are you doing watching 2012?

Doing what most teenagers do during bad movies.

I can outline this example to a religious bias:

The new TV series "V" (the remake) is subliminal religious programming. It represents the war on science to where religion views science as an invader to destroy their way of life or ideology. Here the Visitor is painted as the devil or the serpent offering forbidden knowledge in attempt to destroy mankind. They try to paint the visitors as a religious entity or cult over their own. The devils work as you can say.. They make the visitors appear cold and calculated without emotion, feeling, heart, or soul as if they are the complete opposite of life, and as if this is what science will do to all humanity.. They portray the government as pandering to their will similar to how christian's are now trying to label our government to pandering to secular idealism when they feel the government was supposed to be a "Christian Nation" or founded on Christianity vs Deism.. Thus, they are waging a holy war on our government, and on science to where they actually plan to take both of them and indoctrinate them into the Christian religious ideology.. To install a Theocracy, or religious police state.. Here both leaders of the movement represent the Authority and force to impose their law or religious ideology upon the masses... And they used the defectors of the Visitors as examples of redemption, salvation, and submission to the ideology to give comfort to those they threaten war with.. Hence, join us or die.. :brick:

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Quote from: "RappingAgnostic"Real question here is: What are you doing watching 2012?

Doing what most teenagers do during bad movies.

What, throw popcorn around, fart loudly and giggle?

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Quote from: "RappingAgnostic"Real question here is: What are you doing watching 2012?

Doing what most teenagers do during bad movies.

What, throw popcorn around, fart loudly and giggle?

Nope.

They fondle each other's wobbly bits.

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Quote from: "Ellainix"Doing what most teenagers do during bad movies.

What, throw popcorn around, fart loudly and giggle?

Nope.

They fondle each other's wobbly bits.

Damn, I should have known I was doing something wrong when I took a girlfriend to see a war film and she asked 'Aren't you going to pay me any attention!?'

QuoteDamn, I should have known I was doing something wrong when I took a girlfriend to see a war film and she asked 'Aren't you going to pay me any attention!?'

NO NO NO NO! YOU SHOOT HER IN THE FACE WHILE WATCHING A WAR FILM!