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World Religions:

If anyone says that his/her religion is the only path to God and that other paths lead to hell, I have one humble question.  The question is for every religion without any trace of partiality.  The simple question is: Today I have heard your Religion and if I follow that, I reach God and if I refuse I will go to the hell for my own fault.  This is very much reasonable.  But before your ancestors discovered our country, the literature or even the name of your religion was not known to our ancestor and he could not reach God for no fault of him.  But your ancestor reached God through your religion at that time.

Even if I assume that my ancestor will take rebirth now and will follow your religion to reach God, such possibility is ruled out because you say that there is no rebirth for the soul.  Thus my ancestor suffered forever for no fault of him and the responsibility for this falls on the partiality of God.  Had the God been impartial, He could have revealed your religion to all the countries at a time. Had that happened, my ancestor might have also reached God as your ancestor.  Therefore your statement proves your own God partial.  

The only way left over to you to make your God impartial is that you must accept that your God appeared in all the countries at a time in various forms and preached your path in various languages.  The same form did not appear everywhere and the same language does not exist everywhere.  The syllabus and explanation are one and the same, though the media and teachers are different.  Can you give any alternative reasonable answer to my question other than this?  Certainly not!  Any person of any religion to any other religion can pose this question.  

Moreover every religion states that their God only created this world.  Unfortunately this world is one only and every God cannot create the same world.  There are no many worlds to justify that each God created His own world.  Therefore any human being with an iota of commonsense has to agree that there is only one impartial God who created this one world and He came in different forms to different countries and preached the same path in all the languages simultaneously at one time.  

Let this logic sword of the divine knowledge cut the rigid conservatism of the religious fans in this world to establish the Universal Peace.  I need not beg all these religious followers to be united and harmonious to each other for the sake of world peace.  Such begging appeals are made enough in the past.  The religious fans feel that there is no unity really in the religions but they have to be united since their kind hearts melted by these appeals.  Thus a temporary change was only brought.  At the maximum one generation of the followers got united.  The next generation fights with each other because they feel that there is no real unity in them due to lack of the real unity in their religious scriptures.

A permanent solution for this does not lie in the begging appeals, which may or may not unite the followers.  Even if the appeals unite such unity is not permanent.  If the real unity in all the religious scriptures is exposed through the logical divine knowledge, the followers have to be united for generations together.  Therefore, My attack is not on the hearts of the followers through love and kindness.  My attack is on all the religious scriptures through intellectual logical analysis of divine knowledge.  The unity of hearts through love can be only temporary.  The unity of brains through intellectual analytical divine knowledge will be permanent.  Hearts agree but brains realize.  Agreement is temporary, but realization is permanent.  Thus this is My first blow of My divine Conch shell for the permanent unity of all the religions aiming at eternal Universal Peace.  


At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

Anil Antony

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Quote from: "dattaswami"World Religions:

If anyone says that his/her religion is the only path to God and that other paths lead to hell, I have one humble question.  The question is for every religion without any trace of partiality.  The simple question is: Today I have heard your Religion and if I follow that, I reach God and if I refuse I will go to the hell for my own fault.  This is very much reasonable.  But before your ancestors discovered our country, the literature or even the name of your religion was not known to our ancestor and he could not reach God for no fault of him.  But your ancestor reached God through your religion at that time.

Even if I assume that my ancestor will take rebirth now and will follow your religion to reach God, such possibility is ruled out because you say that there is no rebirth for the soul.  Thus my ancestor suffered forever for no fault of him and the responsibility for this falls on the partiality of God.  Had the God been impartial, He could have revealed your religion to all the countries at a time. Had that happened, my ancestor might have also reached God as your ancestor.  Therefore your statement proves your own God partial.  

The only way left over to you to make your God impartial is that you must accept that your God appeared in all the countries at a time in various forms and preached your path in various languages.  The same form did not appear everywhere and the same language does not exist everywhere.  The syllabus and explanation are one and the same, though the media and teachers are different.  Can you give any alternative reasonable answer to my question other than this?  Certainly not!  Any person of any religion to any other religion can pose this question.  

Moreover every religion states that their God only created this world.  Unfortunately this world is one only and every God cannot create the same world.  There are no many worlds to justify that each God created His own world.  Therefore any human being with an iota of commonsense has to agree that there is only one impartial God who created this one world and He came in different forms to different countries and preached the same path in all the languages simultaneously at one time.  

Let this logic sword of the divine knowledge cut the rigid conservatism of the religious fans in this world to establish the Universal Peace.  I need not beg all these religious followers to be united and harmonious to each other for the sake of world peace.  Such begging appeals are made enough in the past.  The religious fans feel that there is no unity really in the religions but they have to be united since their kind hearts melted by these appeals.  Thus a temporary change was only brought.  At the maximum one generation of the followers got united.  The next generation fights with each other because they feel that there is no real unity in them due to lack of the real unity in their religious scriptures.

A permanent solution for this does not lie in the begging appeals, which may or may not unite the followers.  Even if the appeals unite such unity is not permanent.  If the real unity in all the religious scriptures is exposed through the logical divine knowledge, the followers have to be united for generations together.  Therefore, My attack is not on the hearts of the followers through love and kindness.  My attack is on all the religious scriptures through intellectual logical analysis of divine knowledge.  The unity of hearts through love can be only temporary.  The unity of brains through intellectual analytical divine knowledge will be permanent.  Hearts agree but brains realize.  Agreement is temporary, but realization is permanent.  Thus this is My first blow of My divine Conch shell for the permanent unity of all the religions aiming at eternal Universal Peace.  


At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

Anil Antony

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antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

Sorry Skippy, but Atheists don't believe in God. No god. No gods. None. Get it? Now go wash the Lotus feet.

Dude, we don't care. Okay? We don't believe in any gods and some crazy HIndu or Paki or whatever you are, isn't going to change our minds. Saner people have tried and they have failed. Now go watch one of those god-awful Bollywood movies and leave us alone.

Quote from: "dattaswami"World Religions:
Let this logic sword of the divine knowledge cut the rigid conservatism of the religious fans in this world to establish the Universal Peace.

Wow, I love this sentence! Back to the sixtees, man. Yeah..., let's smoke some more pot and  bring-out the mystical guru's.

Chances however are that no-one on this forum takes you seriously. After all this is an atheist forum; and atheists don't believe in God, Gods or Lotus Feets.

Only foreigners can make the English language so poetically stupid. I'm in awe of thise man's insanity.

Quote from: "Big Mac"Dude, we don't care. Okay? We don't believe in any gods and some crazy HIndu or Paki or whatever you are, isn't going to change our minds. Saner people have tried and they have failed. Now go watch one of those god-awful Bollywood movies and leave us alone.

Big Mac;


Can you show me that these hell and heaven are not there. you also cannot prove that hell & heaven are not there. So atleast an equal probability is there i.e., 50-50 chance.

Ex: A blind fellow is walking on road. Two people approach him. One says, there is a manhole in front of you. Other fellow says, first fellow is fooling you. There is no manhole and so can proceed. Now what the blind fellow should do?

If he is wise, he will take a small diversion and then walk away happily. By taking diversion definitely, he has put extra effort, energy and time. But it is not at all a loss, why because if by chance manhole is there, he will fall in that and consequence will be more difficult to imagine.

Now an atheist with rigidity will follow the second fellow's advice.

An atheist with little bit of wisdom follow the first fellow. How? If you take an atheist, sofar he has spent some part of his life as an atheist. Now atleast for some part of time he can experiement thinking that Lord is there and observe and compare the differences in his own life before and after. Instead of doing this in his own life for sometime, he unnecessarily spends lot of time in gossipping nonsense stating that Lord is not there. He believes in people who support him only. This is the rigidity. Our wise blind man in our above example has taken diversion instead of going straight and saved himself. Likewise these atheists should experiment theism in their life for sometime and then come to conclusion.

It is highly ridiculous to see these so called atheists not even thinking in this direction but they claim as wisest. This small idea did not occur to their wisest minds. They are not even allowing their mind to think momentarily also that Lord exists, this shows their extent of rigidity. That is the reason why they could not experience an iota of His grace sofar in their lives knowingly.

Wow, you just gave us a diluted version of Pascal's wager. I'll let you in on a secret: It's been refuted again and again. No one here is going to buy it.

Why doesn't the blind fellow just use a cane and feel around to see if there is a manhole. Finding none, he continues on, wiser than ever. You need to stop being so crazy, it might get you killed on day.

And it's not just a 50/50 chance. What about all the other religions? Greek, Roman, Norse Mythology claims if you are a good person you go to Hades (the good part of Hades) or Valhalla. Or how about Buddhists with Nirvana?  Or Jews, Muslim, etc. with their heavens and hells. There is more than just a 50/50 chance here, you unstable little twit.

Now please, read some science text-books and see the world for what it is.

Let us begin a massive "ignore" campaign of dattaswami and his lotus feet.  He is like the buzzing of flies!!!  

Buzz, buzz.

Quote from: "Big Mac"Why doesn't the blind fellow just use a cane and feel around to see if there is a manhole. Finding none, he continues on, wiser than ever. You need to stop being so crazy, it might get you killed on day.

And it's not just a 50/50 chance. What about all the other religions? Greek, Roman, Norse Mythology claims if you are a good person you go to Hades (the good part of Hades) or Valhalla. Or how about Buddhists with Nirvana?  Or Jews, Muslim, etc. with their heavens and hells. There is more than just a 50/50 chance here, you unstable little twit.

Now please, read some science text-books and see the world for what it is.

Buddha kept silent about God. This means that God is beyond words, mind and logic as said in the Veda. Buddha means the Buddhi or Jnana yoga that speaks about the absolute God. Thus He is the greatest incarnation of God. If one thinks Him as atheist, there can be no better fool. Mohammed showed the formless medium in which God exists, which is energy and this is presented by Shankara, because basically energy and awareness are one and the same. The prophet itself means human incarnation. Prophet is carrying on the message of God. The divine knowledge is in Him. Is He not greater than other human beings? Message of divine knowledge is the characteristic of God (Satyam Jnanam â€" the Veda) and so we say God is in Him. Why do you deny it, when God is omnipresent?

Then every human being should give the same message of God, since God is omnipresent. But why Mohammed alone gave it? Because the power of God or knowledge of God is in him only. Then the power of God, in the form of knowledge is not omnipresent. In any case, you have to accept that either God or His Power is only in Prophet Mohammed. That is what human incarnation is. You are fighting with us, without analysing the concept of human incarnation.

Thus Buddha, Mohammed and Shankara have made the single phase, which was essential to the level of the followers at that time. The concept of human incarnation was well established by Krishna and Jesus. You can find all three branches of Hinduism (Advaita, Visishta Advaita, Dvaita) in Christianity because Jesus told that He and God are one and the same (Advaita), that He is the son of God (Visishta Advaita) and that He is the messenger of God (Dvaita). The stage of philosophy was expressed according to the required stage of the people of that time.

Can you say that again but in Non-Crazy?

I'm not sure if this guy is Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, or just nuts.
I'd put my money on the latter.

dattaswami, you are so sure that we are lost in a world of ignorant rigidity but, the truth is, it is you who are lost in a world of unverifiable mystic mumbo jumbo.  The language you use betrays you for what you are - a mystical Hindu/Buddhist fundy.  There can be no useful discussion here; you are incapable of seeing things as we see them, or even trying - which is about as rigid as it gets.  You think you are smart and wise and insightful yet your own words betray you because you obviously can't even properly grasp the meaning of atheism; if you did, you wouldn't be peddling your wares here. Your lack of understanding of such a simple thing would give any thinking person serious reservations about your cutting insights into reality.

By the way, do you think there is a 50/50 chance that leprechauns might exist? It would be the wisest position to adopt wouldn't it.

Please spare us more of your fundy mystic insights and go contemplate your lotus feet some more.

Quote from: "MommaSquid"Let us begin a massive "ignore" campaign of dattaswami and his lotus feet.  He is like the buzzing of flies!!!  

Buzz, buzz.

Okay MommaSquid, I'm now going to try and join your "ignore" campaign.

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Quote from: "MommaSquid"Let us begin a massive "ignore" campaign of dattaswami and his lotus feet.  He is like the buzzing of flies!!!  

Buzz, buzz.

Okay MommaSquid, I'm now going to try and join your "ignore" campaign.

Thanks for your support.  



Buzz, buzz.

Dattaswami, what are you? A muslim, hindu, buddhist, christian, or a crazy religious fundie? I think i know...

...confused sound more like it.

Buzz, buzz.

I take back my comment about really smart people being the only ones to have crappy websites. My apologies to all.

A thought for Dr. Boobly Boobly:

The law of non-contradiction holds that both (a) and not (a) cannot exist together without qualification. Christianity/Islam/Judaism all have rigid exclusionary principles. According to the law of non-contradiction all three cannot be correct hypotheses simultaneously. Please explain why the law of non-contradiction does not apply.

Every major religion in the world claims exclusivity, and every major religion in the world has a point of exclusion.

Hinduism, for example, is often represented as being the most tolerant and accepting of other faiths. That is just not true. All Hindus believe in two fundamental, uncompromising doctrines—The Law of Karma, and the belief in reincarnation. These will not be surrendered. In fact, Buddhism was born out of the rejection of two other very dogmatic claims of Hinduism. Buddha rejected the authority of the vedas and the caste system of Hinduism. The issue here is not who was right or wrong. The truth is that they were systemically different—both claiming rightness.

Islam, as you know, is very clearly an exclusive claim to God. A Muslim will never tell you that it doesn't matter what you believe or that all religions are true.

But before we get upset with such claims, let us remember that it is the very nature of truth--Truth by definition is exclusive. Everything cannot be true. If everything is true, then nothing is false. If nothing is false then it would also be true to say everything is false. We cannot have it both ways. One should not be surprised at the claims of exclusivity. The reality is that even those who deny truth's exclusivity, in effect, exclude those who do not deny it. The truth quickly emerges. The law of non-contradiction does apply to reality. We mean by that, that two contradictory statements cannot both be true in the same sense.

To deny the law of non-contradiction is to affirm it at the same time. You may as well talk about a one-ended stick as talk about truth being all-inclusive.

Where does that leave us? We must not be surprised at truth claims but we must test them before we believe them. If the test demonstrates truth then we are morally compelled to believe it.  When testing truth, philosophers tell us of the two principal tests: Correspondence and Coherence.  Statements must correspond to reality. And all statements collated must cohere.




Please don't waste my time by arguing something stupid to refute the law of non-contradiction like using dialectic logic systems.  Even hindus look both ways before they cross the street.  It's either the car or you, but not both.



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Quote from: "silviakjell"Dattaswami, what are you? A muslim, hindu, buddhist, christian, or a crazy religious fundie? I think i know...

silviakjell;

I want to bring the world peace by bringing the brotherly-hood among the religions.  Unless this is brought, the brotherly-hood among the followers of various religions will not come.  Religion is only the external plastic cover.  Spiritualism is the same material packed in different religions.  Whatever may be the color of the external plastic cover, the internal metallic wire and current are one and the same in all the wires.

 Whatever may be the color of the plastic cover, every wire will move the fan since the same current is passing in all the wires.  For the sake of money, one man is quarreling with another man without recognizing the same soul that is present in all the human beings.  Similarly one country is fighting with another country due to the difference in the religions without recognizing the same spiritual current that exists in all the religions.

 If you want to convey the greatness of spiritualism present in your religion, you must expose the common points between your religion and the other religion.  Then the person of other religion will become your friend.  After that you expose the greatness of spiritualism in your religion.  Then he will understand and appreciate your religion.  But if you deeply analyze, the same spiritualism to the same depth is present in all the religions.  The Lord is only one and came to different countries and taught the same syllabus in different languages.  Religion is only the external culture of dress, food habits, language etc.; Spiritualism is the subject related to one God who created this entire universe.

Quote from: "Big Mac"Why doesn't the blind fellow just use a cane and feel around to see if there is a manhole. Finding none, he continues on, wiser than ever. You need to stop being so crazy, it might get you killed on day.

And it's not just a 50/50 chance. What about all the other religions? Greek, Roman, Norse Mythology claims if you are a good person you go to Hades (the good part of Hades) or Valhalla. Or how about Buddhists with Nirvana?  Or Jews, Muslim, etc. with their heavens and hells. There is more than just a 50/50 chance here, you unstable little twit.

Now please, read some science text-books and see the world for what it is.

Lord created the universe for entertainment. He has given free will to all the human beings to do whatever they like. But, the results will follow the deeds. So, He is indirectly controlling, that is to say that enjoyment for good deeds and misery for bad deeds. Misery is to bring realisation only and not to repeat the same bad deed. Otherwise, He is not responsible for one's deeds. There is nothing like His enjoying when one harms the other. He watches this as a cinema only.

One has to receive the fruits of the deeds whether good or bad (Naabhuktam Ksheeyate Karma).  There is only one way to escape the fruits of the deeds.  The Lord comes down in human form and undergoes the punishments for your sake and saves you.  At the same time He will protect the prestige of God of Justice and the theory of Karma.  This is the main reason for His human incarnation.  

He will never cancel the fruits of deeds.  He will sacrifice Himself and protects you.  When you cannot pay the fine, your father pays it.  You must become eligible for such grace of the Lord.  You achieve the eligibility when you do not aspire to get rid of the fruits of your deeds and prepare to undergo the punishments of all your sins.  You should never think that the Lord should sacrifice for your sake.  

Most of the times, we misunderstand God and interpret wrongly. For proper understanding of Him, we should learn the divine knowledge and practice it. Lord preaches the true spiritual knowledge in human form only, like Jesus, Krishna and Prophet Mohammed. His mission is to uplift human beings by preaching the divine knowledge. We should participate in His mission as His servants without aspiring anything in return. The practical participation (in form of donating money and physically spending \by working) will only prove our devotion.

Real love involves sacrifice. When we sacrifice ourselves and serve our kith-kin we are getting enjoyment. Our enjoyment comes with the enjoyment of our beloved, which clearly shows that the true love involves sacrifice.

I see Professor Boobly Boobly The Spammer is ignoring my post.   I guess philosophy isn't a discipline that His Holiness engages in.  What a shock...



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Quote from: "iplaw"I see Professor Boobly Boobly The Spammer is ignoring my post.   I guess philosophy isn't a discipline that His Holiness engages in.  What a shock...



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Anil Probe

iplaw;

Do not worry about the sins of your close family members. Tell them once and help them in the analysis. Do not hate them and resist their side attractions. Resistance will only increase the attraction. You are promoting it indirectly. You help them in analysis and still if they do not change neglect them. In this world, the souls and five elements are real but the attractions or feelings, which are called as bonds are unreal. The actors, stage, dress, lights etc., are real but the story and dialogues, which together called as drama, are unreal. God, the absolute reality, is the source of both the reality and unreality of this world.

When I say that the world is a dream, you should not mistake it and confuse by thinking that everything in the world is a dream. If you analyse your wife and child, their souls and gross bodies are real. But their subtle bodies which are made up of feelings (gunas) are unreal. The vessel (gross body) and the water (causal body) are real. But the waves in the water (subtle body) are unreal, which constitutes the whole drama â€" dream. All the actors and the materials used in the picture shooting are real. Only the story, dialogues and the feelings expressed like attraction and hatredness are unreal. The Advaita scholars misunderstand here and say that the entire world is unreal.

At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

Anil Antony

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QuoteIf you analyse your wife

She's not in to that...but your interest in the topic doesn't surprise me ANIL...





WTF was that.  I asked for a response to my post, not more boobly boobly talk.  You are a coward and deserve to be banned.  I will give you one more chance to actually respond to my post before you are summarily ignored.  I actually tried to enagage you in honest discourse and you chose not to respond...which I halfway expected.



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Uh Ip, don't feed the crazy troll. I mean I was just talking to my new Mossberg 590 A1 but even I know he's crazy!

I know where I know this guy from now:

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Quote from: "iplaw"I see Professor Boobly Boobly The Spammer is ignoring my post.   I guess philosophy isn't a discipline that His Holiness engages in.  What a shock...



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Anil Probe

iplaw;

Regarding your comment about re-incarnation;

The human being is entangled in the cycle of deeds called as karma charka. The thought in the mind is the seed, which grows and generates action. The action certainly gives its result. Even if you escape the result of your action in this world you cannot escape from it in the upper world. In fact the result in the upper world is very severe due to the compounded interest due to the delay in getting the result. Therefore blessed are those who are punished in this world itself. Jesus says “It is better to punish yourself for your sin in this world itself than to fall into eternal hell”.
The punishment reduces the thought (which caused the deed) to the state of a tiny seedling. However the punishment cannot destroy the thought completely. The thought exists in a very minute called the state of subconsciousness.

Even you are not aware of your subconscious thought. When the soul comes from hell to the earth and enters a new human body, the child contains all the qualities or thoughts of previous births, hidden in the subconscious state. Therefore the child is unaware of anything and appears to be the most innocent and sacred. In the child the thoughts are like seeds that have not germinated. Whatever may be the external atmosphere in which the child grows, those strong thoughts will certainly germinate and grow up to be tender plants if not strong trees. But if the external atmosphere is favorable, the strong thoughts become trees, and weak thoughts will become plants. These germinated thoughts will result in corresponding actions. The actions will give their own fruits whether here or there.

The fruits are the punishments, which will again reduce the thoughts to seeds. This is the cycle of the deeds. When it is said that you are enjoying the fruit of the action of your previous birth, it has to be understood in the context of this cycle. The action of your previous birth was punished in hell and has reduced your thought to the form of a seed. In this birth the seed grows and results in its corresponding action. Such action can give you its result in this world if you are captured here itself. The judicial system in this world also functions under the direction of the Lord only. If you have escaped the judicial system in this world, it too is by the will of Lord alone.

 The Lord might have judged your case and might have given you a chance of transformation. Sometimes you are punished wrongly in a case. Do not abuse the court or God. Perhaps you are punished for some other sin. Do not think that you have escaped a punishment that you deserve just because the courts find you ‘not guilty’. Perhaps God is directing you for a severe punishment in hell, which cannot be provided by the court here. Therefore do not think that you have fooled the court or that the deity of justice is blind with a cloth tied on her eyes. Even this court is functioning according to the will of the Lord because the Lord governs everybody and everything in this world. Therefore do not blame God or do not say that God does not exist if some criminal escapes punishment of human courts.

 Destroying the Seed

Now the main point is how to escape from this cycle? You cannot escape from this cycle by preventing the deed or punishment. If you are tied with a rope, you will not do the deed as long as you are tied. You will do the deed as soon as you are released from the rope. You may escape the result of your deed here by someone’s recommendations, but you cannot escape from it in hell. The only way to stop this cycle is to destroy the thought which is the initiating seed of this cycle. How to destroy it?
The seed is a thought which is a living property (sentient property) or a property of life. If it were an inert property like light or heat, it could be prevented by physical methods. Only knowledge, which is another living property, can destroy this thought. Only a diamond can cut another diamond. The wrong knowledge, which generates this sin, is dangerous.

Ignorance, which is zero, is better than wrong knowledge, which is minus (negative). Therefore only righteous knowledge can destroy wrong thoughts. You can differentiate the right knowledge from the wrong knowledge through careful, patient analysis and discrimination. The knowledge of God alone can create devotion in your mind and develop it. Thus by knowledge alone can you get rid of this cycle and attain and please God. Shankara says “Jnanat eva tu kaivalyam”, which means that knowledge alone can give salvation. Jesus preached the same spiritual knowledge throughout His life.

The atheist is always rigid and does not accept God even if a miracle is performed by God physically. He will attribute it to hypnotism and magic. When Lord Krishna showed the vision of His cosmic form in the court, Duryodhana fell unconscious, but he attributed it to an illusion and hypnotism. Therefore a rigid foolish atheist can never be transformed and he shall be condemned forever like a student debarred by the university. One must have an open mind to recognize the truth and must have the courage to come out of one’s conservative rigid circle.

 The atheist blames the devotees regarding their foolish conservative limits, but he himself is trapped by such limits! For a wise person even a subtle experience in small incidents taking place in his life is sufficient proof to realize the existence of God. God is giving proof of His existence even in very small incidents that take place in every walk of your life. If you sit and analyze your past life with careful, shrewd analysis, you can see the existence of God at every step and how He is trying to help you always.

Some say that God loves only His devotees and thus He is partial. This is meaningless. If all people in the world loved Him equally and if He still loved only a select few, then alone can it be called partiality.

Maybe it's me... but I think dattaswami might be translated from esperanto.

If Tolstoy and Nieche had any offspring, then this is how they'd write!

Just my opinion.  I like my concepts a bit more concrete.

Well no, Nietzche wasn't crazy and Tolstoy was an alright fella. THis guy is just shit bonkers. And peopel wonder why I say we should let Pakistan and India kill each other.

Quote from: "joeactor"Maybe it's me... but I think dattaswami might be translated from esperanto.

If Tolstoy and Nieche had any offspring, then this is how they'd write!

Just my opinion.  I like my concepts a bit more concrete.

Ah, wait!  Now I get it...

I think we'll all understand once we fully embrace this site:
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sorry... I'm a bit surley in the morning...

That still wasn't a even close to a coherent response Dr. Boobly Boobly.  You have officially earned my "No Thank You, Moron" seal of approval.  Goodbye Dr. Boobly Boobly...

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I'm banning him now since he didn't actually respond (just spewed more gibberish) and everyone is done playing too.

Quote from: "laetusatheos"I'm banning him now since he didn't actually respond (just spewed more gibberish) and everyone is done playing too.

Thank you. You're a kind and wonderful person!  

yw, I hope the banning thing worked...I hadn't tried it before and the behind the scenes stuff didn't do what I had expected.

Ya know, it may sound silly, but I liked reading what he had to say... It was, how shall I say, interesting? Oh well, I can see where it got just tiresome and a chore to read, but he did have some good points eh? ..... Some off-topic, hairbrained, incoherent points, but yeah well, whatever.

P.S.- I like being here. Don't get ill-tempered for me playing devil's advocate!  

Quote from: "Fourth Iteration"Ya know, it may sound silly, but I liked reading what he had to say... It was, how shall I say, interesting? Oh well, I can see where it got just tiresome and a chore to read, but he did have some good points eh? ..... Some off-topic, hairbrained, incoherent points, but yeah well, whatever.

P.S.- I like being here. Don't get ill-tempered for me playing devil's advocate!  

I liked his whole idea that all religions could be valid (I think that's what he was getting at and do like that view...I really only have read the parts of what he posted due to it being hard to read).  What got him banned was an inability to switch out of mystic mode in order to discuss what he had to say, most of the members being annoyed, and that he spammed the same messages on multiple forums.

So, ya, some of his points were good...Though, I think his target audience should be theistic forums and that he should be prepared to switch to speaking in a way that normal people can accept as rational.  It seems that everything he normally posts elsewhere got posted here and I won't be deleting the threads...I'm actually about to unlock them after I post this message.

If you'd like to try and carry on a conversation with him I think his email is in his posts and profile.  I would propose unbanning him just for you but don't think anyone else would like that too much.

LoL. Oh no, I understand whole heartedly why he was banned. Moreover, I wouldn't dream of asking you to unban him because I know his unpopularity with the populous.

I liked what he had to say (not how he said it), and I HATED the spamming. I was only mentioning what we came to an agreement on.

Ok, cool...Just trying to make sure everyone is happy

:cheers: Good to go!

datta touches himself at night, that's what killed the Dinosaurs!