In fact, history is the study of dusty old facts.
HISTORY, n. An account mostly false, of events mostly unimportant, which are brought about by rulers mostly knaves, and soldiers mostly fools.
AB
My son got the Devil's Dictionary. It's a hilarious read.
Quote from: No one on May 04, 2023, 12:46:06 AMHISTORY, n. An account mostly false, of events mostly unimportant, which are brought about by rulers mostly knaves, and soldiers mostly fools.
AB
There's no doubting that.
Quote from: Dark Lightning on May 04, 2023, 01:14:14 AMMy son got the Devil's Dictionary. It's a hilarious read.
Indeed. I came across it at a tender age, and have no doubt that Bierce had a significant influence on my life. Some might say for the worse, though I would deny it. ;D
Quote from: Recusant on May 04, 2023, 03:43:29 AMQuote from: Dark Lightning on May 04, 2023, 01:14:14 AMMy son got the Devil's Dictionary. It's a hilarious read.
Indeed. I came across it at a tender age, and have no doubt that Bierce had a significant influence on my life. Some might say for the worse, though I would deny it. ;D
It's that wicked wit that gets the appreciation, yes? MAD Magazine, then National Lampoon, etc.
How "tender" can barbarians be?
Children are tender. Not as tender as babies I'll give you that, but with a proper marinade....
I believe in being idle, and then getting busy.
Facts matter.
why?
Reasons.
The reason why facts matter is because facts are better than lies.
why?
Why is a lie bad? You figure it out.
Lies aren't necessarily bad. Like, when grandma tells you you're handsome.
Quote from: No one on May 06, 2023, 03:19:13 AMLies aren't necessarily bad. Like, when grandma tells you you're handsome.
But I am handsome. haha
so that was bad?
what constitutes good and bad?
Everything I like is good.
Everything I don't like, is bad.
If I don't like it, and you do, you are the one who is wrong.
And being wrong is bad.
Quote from: billy rubin on May 06, 2023, 03:12:30 PMso that was bad?
what constitutes good and bad?
If you like crap, you like crap.
what is your measure, marcus?
no intent to pursue.
just curious about your opinion.
I like crap as much as the next bloke but I know that it is crap.
"All men are created equal." Crap.
Quote from: MarcusA on May 06, 2023, 03:15:41 AMWhy is a lie bad? You figure it out.
It is a matter of perspective. A lie that serves someone is
good for them.
A lie used to prevent damage is acceptable. A lie to deceive is not acceptable.
yet all lies decieve.
every lie is an assertion that someone elae does not deserve to be treated equally with respect to knowledge of the truth.
fhe jew in the closet is the clearest example of the dilemma that i know of.
...But then, one may argue that everyone does not, in fact, deserve to be treated equally with respect to knowledge of every truth.
To put it this way, do I somehow deserve equality to yourself in the knowledge of the truth about how often you have sex with your wife?
I think the only "natural equality" should be that under the law. For the rest - competition is in itself a form of discrimination (That of "cans" from "cannots" or "the best" from "the rest")
youre not distinguishing "right to know" from "right to be told the truth."
there is a difference. i can quite happily answer your question by saying i will not tell you.
that is very different from deception. lies always disrespect and devalue the person lied to. they say clearly "i am better able to process and more deserving of factual knowledge than you."
in some traditions this is explicit. espionage is one. disinformation in wartime is another.
what i am talking about are the physicians who wont tell me that i am dying, because they know better than me what knowledge i should hold.
as another example, i have never lied to my children. ever. about anything. if they have ever had a question thst merited an answer, they got the truth, in as much detail as their age allowed them to process.
when i explained human reproduction the responses were hilarious.
Quote from: billy rubin on May 09, 2023, 12:56:48 PMyet all lies decieve.
every lie is an assertion that someone elae does not deserve to be treated equally with respect to knowledge of the truth.
fhe jew in the closet is the clearest example of the dilemma that i know of.
Quite so. But if my wife asks me some questions I value my life too much to give a 100% honest answer on occasion.
lol
diplomacy is important too
You can have general principles and qualifications of them, like civilised legal systems.
Or you can have a tyranny of simplicity.
That sounds like one of those bald statements you so despise.
Does not, it has a second line, makes all the difference.
History has a way of catching up with you. History can be rewritten but not remade.
the cherokee, chickasaw, seminole, creek, choctaw, ogalala, dakota, wichita, pawnee, crow, nez perce, arapaho, comanche, apache, kiowa, mandan, seneca, iroquois, pottawattamie, huron, mohican, ute,cheyenne, and osage might disagree.
The Asmo. He might do so as well.
Time will always catch up with you. History..? If you are "lucky," most of yours will be written long after your death. If "not" - it will "never" even know you existed. Such is the view from the ehights of Mount Future. The vast majority of people are just ants, and obscured by the clouds besides.
So... I don't see an argument for history having a way of catching up with people, unless they were prominent participants in "great events," and perhaps not even then.
With the doctrine of Terra Nullius, White Australians rewrote the history of an entire continent.
wisdom appropriate for our current state of being
(https://i.imgur.com/F9X87Y1.png)
wha' happen? My image did not appear in the post above... I'll try again.....
(https://imgur.com/gallery/d69GLcg)
Lets try this bit of bloody history...........
Quote from: Icarus on July 09, 2023, 12:17:25 AMwha' happen? My image did not appear in the post above... I'll try again.....
(https://i.imgur.com/F9X87Y1.png)
The link they supplied is for the Imgur gallery page, rather than for the image itself.
(To get the proper image link from the gallery page, right-click on the image and choose "Copy image address" from the context menu that pops up. Paste the resulting link within img tags here and Bob's yer uncle.)
Quote from: Icarus on July 09, 2023, 02:19:23 AMLets try this bit of bloody history...........
A classic video with appropriately dark humor. :thumb:
I am being sabotaged by an administrator, I suspect. I am out of here if it goes on any longer.
I moved a couple of your posts. My Bad I should have said, but you didn't answer my last PM so I don't know if you didn't see it or couldn't be bothered to answer.
Quote from: MarcusA on July 24, 2023, 06:02:12 AMI am being sabotaged by an administrator, I suspect. I am out of here if it goes on any longer.
You have not replied to any private messages addressed to you from admin that I am aware of. You are welcome to make yourself at home, but ignoring the publican will produce results you may not find pleasing.