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Laid Back Lounge / Re: What's on your mind today?
Last post by billy rubin - Today at 02:44:05 AM
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History / Re: What's this?
Last post by billy rubin - Today at 02:42:28 AM
yes!!!!
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Last post by Dark Lightning - Today at 01:43:15 AM
That particular example in the link above is cast bronze. My wife has one that used nails for the knobs. The different size holes are for different size fingers.
Here is one in use-
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Religion / Re: Christian Nonduality
Last post by Icarus - May 06, 2024, 11:23:15 PM
^ Perception is reality.
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History / Re: What's this?
Last post by Icarus - May 06, 2024, 11:19:25 PM
 it is an errant space ship brought by tiny aliens who misplaced their balls.

In fact it is a superb piece of work by a highly skilled artisan. A bit too intricate for a sand cast mold. Probably a clay mold of some sort. The most difficult part of the mold was the cavities for the knobs. Aside from the method of production, the maker of the object knew more than a little about solid geometry and a helping of trig..

I spent a part of my professional life designing molds for various objects and various materials.  I'd have gotten a headache while doing that mold design work. 

Our casting/sculpting/artistic  Hermes might weigh in on the possible method that was used.

The object need not have a specific purpose. It could be an exercise in artful creation by a very clever person.     
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Science / Re: Oral Insulin
Last post by Icarus - May 06, 2024, 10:43:23 PM
Welcome news for insulin dependent people.
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Laid Back Lounge / Re: What's on your mind today?
Last post by Icarus - May 06, 2024, 10:36:48 PM
 :bravo:
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Laid Back Lounge / Re: What's on your mind today?
Last post by Tom62 - May 06, 2024, 04:26:19 PM
Great race. Lando did everything right. Max on the other hand made a big mistake that damaged his car. Luckily he didn't lose much points because he still came in second.
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Laid Back Lounge / Re: What's on your mind today?
Last post by Tank - May 06, 2024, 10:24:21 AM
This is the first time he has been with the team when they have won a race. He was at Arrows when they had their last win. He was asked to come back by Andreas Stella the McLaren team manager. Andrew is definitely living his best life. :)
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Religion / Re: Christian Nonduality
Last post by Me_Be - May 06, 2024, 09:05:39 AM
Quote from: zorkan on May 05, 2024, 11:54:25 AMDo theists allow you to have your own beliefs, or do they force them on you?
The brainwashing of young minds.

No one is ever born with a belief. Belief's were imposed upon every newborn.

While it does seem as though later on when you leave the unknowing state of newborn to become self-aware you exist as a separate entity in your own right, because a name/label had been imposed upon you, the ''beliefs'' of others seem as though they have been forced on you. Like your name for example: you were given a name by someone else, and you believed that your name was who you are. You became aware of yourself as a concept, and that moment was the birth of your conception, before that, you were pure absolute beingness but did not know it, you only know it in relation to something else, namely, your name.

 And so it seems that most people accept their conditioning, the beliefs imposed upon them by others, without ever questioning them, they are happy to go along with herd mentality, they are happy to believe something they are told simply because everyone else is believing it as well. However, everyone can change their mind at any time they want about what they think they know, or believe to be truth.

However; that which is a AWARE of the mind set of beliefs,  can't be changed. Tis only the mind that can change.

Mind is relative to the absolute truth that is the observer, and so any relative claims about the absolute truth, are never the absolute truth, they are only half truths.

What you are is already the absolute truth. You can never know or speak about the absolute, because you are it. Knowing the absolute is mental interpretation, which is subject to change, and therefore temporal and limited representations or interpretations, and never ever this immediate absolutely true present, which is beyond the mind and beyond words. Words can never touch it...so anything we speak of is never it absolutely.

 The true present is always this immediate presentation and NEVER a representation of the present formed of beliefs and ideas.

Our beliefs are always ( The lies which tell the truth )  In other words, there are no absolute truths, only relative truth by association.



Quote from: zorkan on May 05, 2024, 11:54:25 AMThe bible is a forgery.
The genocidal god of the OT could not possibly have become the loving god of the NT.
We know nothing about the authors of any book in the bible, and there are no original manuscripts.
All of it is recycled and translated from earlier beliefs found in the ancient world.

In scientific terms what theism is to the Anthropic Principle, atheism is to the Copernican Principle.
The human mind is torn between the two.


The human mind is the story teller, something that is being observed, but not by the mind. That in a nutshell, is the truth of what is this nondual-dual reality. The dual truth is the only truth the mind knows, within the illusory dream of separation, where it seems there is a knower and that which is known....seemingly two, but always inseparably one and the same knowing.

Like I said, you cannot know the absolute, because you are the absolute. To know the absolute one would have to split off from the absolute to become relative. But while the relative is known, the known can know nothing of the absolute, because the relative is illusory, within the artificial dream of separation...thus, any relative ideas about the absolute are absurd.

The Truth will always be the Truth regardless of our beliefs, twinges, thoughts, or opinions about it. Rendering all human mind-made knowledge nothing more than pure imagination, belief and story.