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Onlyme keeps interrupting threads with these random-ass questions, so I figured he should have a thread for them. Here it is.

Quote from: "onlyme"Ok, this is probably not the right section to ask this question.  I don't know any better, OK?  But regarding this 'poll' listed on the right hand side of my homepage:

Who is John Stewart?  Who is Steven Colbert?

Ok, I'm out of touch, ok?  Give me a break...I'm still learning...

So...who is John Stewart and Steven Colbert?

Hey, I now have my own thread for random-*** questions.  Is that cool, or what?

It is rather cool for you.
So, I'll answer your first question.
Steven Colbert and John Stewart are both comedians with their own daily shows. Colbert hosts the Colbert Report and Stewart hosts The Daily Show with John Stewart.
You can see both of them on www.comedycentral.com (http://www.comedycentral.com)

Jon Stewart.  Jon.  Not John.  

(Sorry for being a stickler, but for some reason that bothers me.)

Oh, whoops. Sorry

Ah, the daily show.  I've watched that. If it's the same show as that aired in the UK, a spoof news broadcast.  Can't remember the name of the host, though.  I will check it out.

Ok, question number 2, which has been touched upon in a previous conversation - regarding Christmas, santa claus, etc.

Do atheists buy presents for their kids at Christmas, and if so, what do they tell them that they are celebrating?

Quote from: "onlyme"Ok, question number 2, which has been touched upon in a previous conversation - regarding Christmas, santa claus, etc.

Do atheists buy presents for their kids at Christmas, and if so, what do they tell them that they are celebrating?

Some do, some don't.  Jake, who runs the atheist network, celebrates christmas with his kids.  He lets them know that santa is just an imaginary person but that it's fun to pretend and have family together time.  They are celebrating family togetherness.

My step-mom is agnostic but you would never be able to tell from all the christmas crap she still displays.  She's a kid at heart and just has fun with the holiday.

I put up lights and a little tree around christmas...they are pretty.  I also tend to call christmas giftmas...because that's pretty much how my family treats it anyway.  Christmas was always more about being together as a family and an excuse to spend extra money on things we normally wouldn't buy than it was a religious celebration.

Question 3:  Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

As a creationist believer, I believe it was the chicken, since God created the animals, then commanded to reproduce 'after their kind'

What do evolutionists say, and why?

I love christmas, because it is so pretty at my house. In fact, I want my wedding to be silver, white, and red like my mom has always done christmas.
Even though my parents are religious, christmas is more about family togetherness and gift-giving than church. I think it's a wonderful tradition, minus all the blatantly religious decorations, and one I would definitely continue after I move out completely.

Quote from: "onlyme"Question 3:  Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

As a creationist believer, I believe it was the chicken, since God created the animals, then commanded to reproduce 'after their kind'

What do evolutionists say, and why?

My answer: Doesn't frickin' matter. How does this stupid question relate to real life?

Quote from: "onlyme"Question 3:  Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

As a creationist believer, I believe it was the chicken, since God created the animals, then commanded to reproduce 'after their kind'

What do evolutionists say, and why?

The correct evolution answer to the question is the egg.  The bird that laid the egg would not quite be a chicken but the bird inside the egg would be a chicken.

Quote from: "onlyme"Question 3:  Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

As a creationist believer, I believe it was the chicken, since God created the animals, then commanded to reproduce 'after their kind'

What do evolutionists say, and why?

The egg.

Because the chicken evolved from another egg-laying animal, over time. Egg-laying was going on for hundreds of millions of years in countless species before chickens came on the scene.

Here's a couple for you, onlyme:

Did Adam and Eve have navels?

Who was Cain afraid of, when he complained to God, in Genesis 4:14,  that, "Behold, Thou hast driven me this day from the face of the ground; and from Thy face I shall be hidden, and I shall be a vagrant and a wanderer on the earth, and it will come about that whoever finds me will kill me."?

If Cain was the only remaining child of Adam and Eve, then who else was around to kill him?

Since we're asking questions, I thought I'd ask those.

court, but it does matter, since most evolutionists expend a lot of time explaining the origins of the universe and life, etc, and trying to produce viable evidence to support it.

Since scientists spend such time, money and effort probing such things, surely the fundamental question is one that demands some kind of answer?

I think you are just avoiding the issue.   A more reasoned and thought out response would go a long way to supporting your views.

onlyme...if you have researched evolution at all then you should have known the evolutionists answer to the chicken and egg question before you even asked the question.

Quote from: "onlyme"court, but it does matter, since most evolutionists expend a lot of time explaining the origins of the universe and life, etc, and trying to produce viable evidence to support it.

Yup, but at least scientists don't think they have all the answers. My best guess would be the egg (Laetus and McQ did a good job of explaining why).

Quote from: "onlyme"Since scientists spend such time, money and effort probing such things, surely the fundamental question is one that demands some kind of answer?

What came first: chicken or egg is the fundamental question? Okay, then. But I don't know the answers to the fundamental question, because I'm not that arrogant. I do know, however, that "god did it" is a cop-out answer.

Quote from: "onlyme"I think you are just avoiding the issue.   A more reasoned and thought out response would go a long way to supporting your views.

Well, I kind of thought you were being sarcastic, because I think that question is dumb. So I gave a smart-ass answer. And you're condescending me again. Big surprise.

Quote from: "onlyme"court, but it does matter, since most evolutionists expend a lot of time explaining the origins of the universe and life, etc, and trying to produce viable evidence to support it.

Evolutionists (a loose term, to be sure) do not try and explain the origin of the universe. Cosmologists do. Evolutionary Biologists seek the nature of life and how it evolved, not if it evolved. You're going to have to learn to get it right, or you'll just continue to look like you're out of your league.

Quote from: "onlyme"Since scientists spend such time, money and effort probing such things, surely the fundamental question is one that demands some kind of answer?

Probing what things? The answer to the chicken and the egg? Scientists don't spend time answering that, because it is not a fundamental question to science. It is only a fun question to ask to stimulate thought among kids. However, it has turned into something else here. It's not even a valid question to science. Sort of like, "How fast does Santa's sleigh fly?"

Quote from: "onlyme"I think you are just avoiding the issue.   A more reasoned and thought out response would go a long way to supporting your views.

I don't speak for Court, 'cause she does a great job herself, but I doubt she's avoiding the issue. Instead of telling her she should give a more reasoned and thought out response, perhaps you should ask some reasoned and thought out questions.

Quote from: "Court"

Quote from: "onlyme"court, but it does matter, since most evolutionists expend a lot of time explaining the origins of the universe and life, etc, and trying to produce viable evidence to support it.

Yup, but at least scientists don't think they have all the answers. My best guess would be the egg (Laetus and McQ did a good job of explaining why).

Quote from: "onlyme"Since scientists spend such time, money and effort probing such things, surely the fundamental question is one that demands some kind of answer?

What came first: chicken or egg is the fundamental question? Okay, then. But I don't know the answers to the fundamental question, because I'm not that arrogant. I do know, however, that "god did it" is a cop-out answer.

Quote from: "onlyme"I think you are just avoiding the issue.   A more reasoned and thought out response would go a long way to supporting your views.

Well, I kind of thought you were being sarcastic, because I think that question is dumb. So I gave a smart-ass answer. And you're condescending me again. Big surprise.

No, you're right on, court. You thought it was a dumb question. You're right. It is. It's not a fundamental question to science. It's just a kid's thought stimulation question, misused by unthinking people for years.

The egg came before there was an organism that could be called a chicken.  For example, dinosaur embryos found fossiled in eggs way before there were chickens.

McQ, I don't suppose Adam and eve did have navels.

After Adam and eve had cain and abel, they lived hundreds of years and had other children.  The bible doesn't say 'they' were the only two offspring of Adam.

And of course i confuse scientists and evolutionists, etc.  I'm simply (lazily) speaking generally of those who are 'not creationists'...anybody who is not one of 'us'.  But I think you failed to see the light-hearted nature of my question.  Oh, I'm a lazy typist.

another random question:

what do you think of rumours about concentration camps in america?

http://www.freedomdomain.com/concamp.html (http://www.freedomdomain.com/concamp.html)

this is for all you who think you have your freedoms gauranteed.  Ha.

America -land of the free, home of the brave (is that the right way round?)

Ok, cry 'conspiracy theory' if you want.  But there is a lot of information out there about just this subject.

see also :  
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps.htm (http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps.htm)

http://www.geocities.com/Northstarzone/CAMPS.html (http://www.geocities.com/Northstarzone/CAMPS.html)

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20 ... merica.htm (http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Government/Police%20State/concentration_camps_in_america.htm)

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/concentration.html (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/concentration.html)

Quote from: "onlyme"McQ, I don't suppose Adam and eve did have navels.

After Adam and eve had cain and abel, they lived hundreds of years and had other children.  The bible doesn't say 'they' were the only two offspring of Adam.

Re-read Genesis, onlyme. There was no time passage whatsoever (ok, maybe a minute or two) in between Cain killing Abel and God exiling him.

And if we are all made in God's image, why didn't Adam and Eve have navels. All of the rest of humanity has them. Did God only make most people in his image?

My point here is to not take the Bible literally, as too many Christians do.

Onlyme, that's so ridiculous, I'm speechless.

Quote from: "onlyme"another random question:
what do you think of rumours about concentration camps in america?

We did have concentration camps for Japanese Americans back during WWII...but not the type that was set up to kill anyone and it was very wrong.

I'm sure some suspected terrorists who are actually innocent are being held in jails, but it's not like they are going around rounding up anyone who looks like an arab.  There aren't any rumors of concentration camps here, sounds like anti-american propoganda.

I do know they are being quick to deport anyone who is here on something like a student visa from places like Iraq if they do anything remotely wrong.  We had one student picked up by the feds and deported (about 6 months after 9/11) after some girls complained about his inappropriate sexual advances.  There may had been more to it, but that seemed to be the reason; especially since his roomate didn't get deported.

There are a lot of rumors foating around about a huge government conspiracy to hide UFOs and that they are now slowly releasing that information in preparation for letting the genral public know about the existance of real aliens...but that doesn't mean the rumors are true.

Don't believe everything you read

Quote from: "onlyme"this is for all you who think you have your freedoms gauranteed.  Ha.

America -land of the free, home of the brave (is that the right way round?)

Nothing in life is guaranteed, including your next breath.

Onlyme, there also are quite a few holocaust denial websites. So using your "logic" (the term is used here so loosely it makes Bill Clinton sport a chub) that means that enough people talk about and believe it, it probably is true. Just like when everyone thought the world was flat and was the center of the universe. Riiiight...

Here's some of the Holocaust denial:

http://www.ihr.org/other/tehrantimesdec05.html (http://www.ihr.org/other/tehrantimesdec05.html)

http://www.codoh.com/index.shtml (http://www.codoh.com/index.shtml)

http://www.zundelsite.org/ (http://www.zundelsite.org/)

http://www.cwporter.com/ (http://www.cwporter.com/)

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/revisionist4.html (http://www.revisionisthistory.org/revisionist4.html)

http://www.imperium-europa.org/ (http://www.imperium-europa.org/)

See? There are plenty of people who claim a lot of things, doesn't make it true automatically.

And so what if they're might be a civilian inmate labor camp? Prisoners do all kinds of labor all the time. It's not inhumane, it's cost-effective to make them work. That's probably why they're in prison to begin with, too lazy to get a skill or be a human being. Of course you probably feel a kinship with them seeing as you are an ex-mugger.

Ok, mommasquid, I popped up on the correct forum eventually

But you didn't answer my question regarding your avatar.   Does it respresend the UK TV series 'tales of the unexpected', James Bond, Tomb Raider, or something completely different?

Or are you just not saying?

Quote from: "Big Mac"Onlyme, there also are quite a few holocaust denial websites. So using your "logic" (the term is used here so loosely it makes Bill Clinton sport a chub) that means that enough people talk about and believe it, it probably is true. Just like when everyone thought the world was flat and was the center of the universe. Riiiight...

Here's some of the Holocaust denial:

http://www.ihr.org/other/tehrantimesdec05.html (http://www.ihr.org/other/tehrantimesdec05.html)

http://www.codoh.com/index.shtml (http://www.codoh.com/index.shtml)

http://www.zundelsite.org/ (http://www.zundelsite.org/)

http://www.cwporter.com/ (http://www.cwporter.com/)

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/revisionist4.html (http://www.revisionisthistory.org/revisionist4.html)

http://www.imperium-europa.org/ (http://www.imperium-europa.org/)

See? There are plenty of people who claim a lot of things, doesn't make it true automatically.

And so what if they're might be a civilian inmate labor camp? Prisoners do all kinds of labor all the time. It's not inhumane, it's cost-effective to make them work. That's probably why they're in prison to begin with, too lazy to get a skill or be a human being. Of course you probably feel a kinship with them seeing as you are an ex-mugger.

Bigmac, many of these website seem fundamentally anti-jewish in content and sentiment.  There are many alive today who lived through the holocaust, including American soldiers, who witnessed first hand the liberation of these camps.

also, do you really think you are better off believing the islamist, anti jewish, anti-american camp in these things?

Just a matter for your perusal.

Big Mac wasn't saying he believed those sites....he was using them as an example of how rumors are generally just that...rumors not truth.

OK, laetus, I get you

But did you click on the links I posted?  and do you think they are just rumours?  Or is there something more at stake?

I already answered that.

Quote from: "onlyme"But you didn't answer my question regarding your avatar.   Does it respresend the UK TV series 'tales of the unexpected', James Bond, Tomb Raider, or something completely different?

Or are you just not saying?

The avatar is a chick with guns...I am also a chick with guns.


See, when you post random questions in the random question thread they get answered.  It's more effective than prayer.

Quote from: "onlyme"

Quote from: "Big Mac"Onlyme, there also are quite a few holocaust denial websites. So using your "logic" (the term is used here so loosely it makes Bill Clinton sport a chub) that means that enough people talk about and believe it, it probably is true. Just like when everyone thought the world was flat and was the center of the universe. Riiiight...

Here's some of the Holocaust denial:

http://www.ihr.org/other/tehrantimesdec05.html (http://www.ihr.org/other/tehrantimesdec05.html)

http://www.codoh.com/index.shtml (http://www.codoh.com/index.shtml)

http://www.zundelsite.org/ (http://www.zundelsite.org/)

http://www.cwporter.com/ (http://www.cwporter.com/)

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/revisionist4.html (http://www.revisionisthistory.org/revisionist4.html)

http://www.imperium-europa.org/ (http://www.imperium-europa.org/)

See? There are plenty of people who claim a lot of things, doesn't make it true automatically.

And so what if they're might be a civilian inmate labor camp? Prisoners do all kinds of labor all the time. It's not inhumane, it's cost-effective to make them work. That's probably why they're in prison to begin with, too lazy to get a skill or be a human being. Of course you probably feel a kinship with them seeing as you are an ex-mugger.

Bigmac, many of these website seem fundamentally anti-jewish in content and sentiment.  There are many alive today who lived through the holocaust, including American soldiers, who witnessed first hand the liberation of these camps.

also, do you really think you are better off believing the islamist, anti jewish, anti-american camp in these things?

Just a matter for your perusal.

I actually got them off of Wikipedia, I did browse them to find articles that were on the sites listed. Holocaust denial is interesting, in that I PARTIALLY can see how it goes about. I personally think the numbers may have been trumped up a bit or maybe not. Still it happened and it is horrific. But keep in mind the victors of wars write history. Imagine what may or may not have been put in the history books had the Axis powers won. Just as I'm sure the American Revolution is called something else by you Brits and George Washington probably is portrayed in the same light as he is here.

AGAIN, IN BIG LETTERS SO YOU DON'T MISS THE POINT, I AM NOT AN ANTI-SEMITE, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE FOR ME. I'LL LEAVE THAT TO YOUR IMAGINATION.

I'm super busy this week, but after glancing through a few of the recent threads tonight, I decided I have to ask onlyme a question (we can ask him questions too, right?).

Quote from: "onlyme"Hey, I now have my own thread for random-*** questions.  Is that cool, or what?

Why did you feel the need to turn "ass" into "***"? Do you see it as a 'bad' word of some sort? What makes "ass", "fuck", or "shit" any worse than, say, "jump" or "feces"? I find it strange that many Christians think that specific words in our language are intrinsically wrong when there is no biblical basis for that type of thinking, at least to my knowledge...

I may not be able to reply for a couple days.

Quote from: "mommasquid"See, when you post random questions in the random question thread they get answered. It's more effective than prayer

If we had +1's on this forum, that deserved one.

Edit: $5 says onlyme asks what a +1 is....

Court, you're absolutely right.  I don't know what a +1 is, so what is it?  This is, after all MY forum, where I can ask random questions, with or without looking stupid.   I'll have to pay you in Pounds, though, we don't do dollars.

Jassman:  since you asked, I will answer, and I will answer honestly.  I think that we will all have to give an account to God eventually, even for 'every idle word' we speak.   Now, also, as I've said before, I admit that, for my part, it is easier to control the tongue than it is to control other aspects of my life.  Maybe I'm just trying to make myself feel better - that I've at least done something - while being guilty of more serious things.  

At least, as far as the things I CAN control, I will at least make an effort.  Also, as I said in an earlier post, from my experience, those who swear either do it to look 'hard', or to 'fit in with the crowd', which is not a sign of strength in my view, but weakness, if you have to 'conform' to those around you.

Does that go some way to clarifying my position?

mommasquid, you know what?  You come across as quite a scary person.

Tell you what, I wouldn't like to meet you in a dark alley.

Why don't you put some pictures in your gallery, so I can see if you are as scary in real life as you are in cyberspace?

Ha ha ha

Quote from: "onlyme"mommasquid, you know what?  You come across as quite a scary person.

Shall I tell you how you come across?  

Quote from: "onlyme"Tell you what, I wouldn't like to meet you in a dark alley.

I’m smart enough to stay out of dark alleys.

Quote from: "onlyme"Why don't you put some pictures in your gallery, so I can see if you are as scary in real life as you are in cyberspace?

I’ve already answered that.

Quote from: "Court"

Quote from: "mommasquid"See, when you post random questions in the random question thread they get answered. It's more effective than prayer

If we had +1's on this forum, that deserved one.

Danke schön!

Onlyme, you didn't say what exactly is wrong with those words. What makes them "bad"? Does god say, "Now, don't you have a potty mouth, young man" somewhere in the bible that I missed? What, exactly, makes you think he would make you "answer" for saying certain words?

Link (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/18/story_1836_1.html)

QuoteQ. Where does the Bible list "curse words," and where does it say we should not use foul language? What's the difference between using good or bad words?  


As far as I know, the Bible does not give a list of "swear words" anywhere. But it forbids cursing, swearing, mockery, and generally foul language in many places. For example, in Ephesians 5:2-4, Christians are exhorted to "walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us," and thus "[l]et there be no filthiness, nor silly talk, nor levity, which are not fitting; but instead let there be thanksgiving." In Colossians 3:8 we read: "[P]ut them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and foul talk from your mouth." Among the radical teachings of Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount, there is a prohibition of abusive language against any person: "Whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council; and whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be liable to the hell of fire" (Matthew 5:22b). The worst case of cursing and abusive language is against God. In the Old Testament, blasphemy against God is prohibited under pain of death (Leviticus 24:16). The First Commandment includes the warning "You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain" (Exodus 20:7). The righteous Job, despite severe trials testing his faithfulness, refused to curse God when goaded by his wife and thus became an example of true righteousness, because "in all this Job did not sin with his lips" (Job 2:9-10).

So remember, it's OK to hit your kids as long as you don't curse at them.

Quote from: "MommaSquid"So remember, it's OK to hit your kids as long as you don't curse at them.

The Bible: a transcendent guide to marriage and parenting. Want to fuck up your kids and beat your wife? Find justification here!

Sarcasm...it's a beautiful thing.  

First, Bigmac, why don't you post some pictures of your brown ass?  Instead of hiding behind a cloak of anonymity?

Mommasquid, are you really a German?  Well, that breaks the ice, for one thing.  I love the German people, I've been there, and have always been interested in every aspect of German culture.  I took my daughter there, and even spent quite some time learning the German language.  They are the second best people on the planet, after the English, of course, which is the superior race.

I went to Cologne, Dusseldorf, Bruhl, and other places.  I love it, and we are planning to go back there this year. I think we will go first to Berchtesgaden, then Hamburg, then Munich.  I love Germany.  Fantastic place.  There is no other higher culture than that found in the German nation....excepting, of course, the English....the epitome of refinement.

Quote from: "Court"The Bible: a transcendent guide to marriage and parenting. Want to fuck up your kids and beat your wife? Find justification here!

When I worked in a domestic violence program we had an intervention group for batterers.  You'd be surprised (or maybe not) at how many came through there using the bible as justification for their actions.

Squid, do you really think that most Christians are militaristic and violent?

I know that there are so-called Christian millitia in the middle east.  I don't agree with them.  He who lives by the sword will die by the sword.  And are there not an equal number of non-believers who are violent in the domestic setting?

I believe that true Christian belief prohibits violence, for any reason(except maybe in defence of family and loved ones).  As I said before, I was a proficient martial artist, which unfortunately I abused, for God knows what reason.  Please don't use Christianity as the scapegoat for all the violence and evil in the world today.  We are not all like that.  Some of us have learned to care for people, you know.

Quote from: "onlyme"Squid, do you really think that most Christians are militaristic and violent?

how did you get that from:

Quote from: "squid"When I worked in a domestic violence program we had an intervention group for batterers. You'd be surprised (or maybe not) at how many came through there using the bible as justification for their actions.

laetus, I was wondering why you take the time to be an administrator on a forum such as this, or any other, for that matter?

I mean, is there any financial, or other, reward?

i ask genuinely, because I don't know.  I'm not so computer savvy.  Ok, that is not strictly true.  When I did my computer courses at college, it was before the advent of the internet.  I gained the status of 'advanced craft, supervisor and technician'

email was just a one-line, text only thing at that point, and the internet was still the domain of the military.

But what motivates you, if anything, to do this?

Just curious, that's all.

No financial gain...it actually costs me money (and time) each month to host and run the site.

This website originally started mainly as just a website (originally www.laetusatheos.com (http://www.laetusatheos.com)) but I decided to attach a forum to it in case anyone wanted to comment on the content of the site.  The forum ended up getting enough members that I decided it was worth hosting somewhere a little more solid than a free forum host.  Grabbed this domain, then went through a few design changes and eventually got it to what it is now...mainly a forum rather than a website that connects to a forum.

Quote from: "onlyme"Mommasquid, are you really a German?

I am a third generation American (my grandparents were all born here).

Quote from: "onlyme"Squid, do you really think that most Christians are militaristic and violent?

I know that there are so-called Christian millitia in the middle east.  I don't agree with them.  He who lives by the sword will die by the sword.  And are there not an equal number of non-believers who are violent in the domestic setting?

That's not what I said.  I stated an observation from the program I worked in that many of the people there (99% men - there were a couple of women while I worked there), not all, used the bible to justify their actions.  That's it.

Quote from: "onlyme"I believe that true Christian belief prohibits violence, for any reason(except maybe in defence of family and loved ones).

...but Angus likes sugar with his porridge...

Quote from: "onlyme"As I said before, I was a proficient martial artist, which unfortunately I abused, for God knows what reason.  Please don't use Christianity as the scapegoat for all the violence and evil in the world today.  We are not all like that.  Some of us have learned to care for people, you know.

I didn't use it as a scapegoat for all the violence and evil in the world - please don't put words in my mouth.

ok, sorry squid, i won't put words in your mouth

But how come you specify that so many use the bible to justify their actions?  You could equally read the news reports of mass murderers, for example, who say that 'satan' made me do it.

As regards your other post, saying uh, what did I do?  wait a minute, I'll get back to you.  It's only a joke, by the way.

squid, yeah, I remember now, it was something to do with that little penguin thingy you have in your signature, and I asked how you can display my browser type and ISP.  You said it was part of the evil atheist conspiracy.

Just a joke, bro.

Quote from: "onlyme"But how come you specify that so many use the bible to justify their actions?  You could equally read the news reports of mass murderers, for example, who say that 'satan' made me do it.

If you paid attention to context then you'd know why he mentioned the bible specifically.

Quote from: "laetusatheos"No financial gain...it actually costs me money (and time) each month to host and run the site.

Is there anything we can do to help alleviate the costs? Clicking on the links help any?

I would be willing to donate through paypal or something. I couldn't donate much, but if even a small amount would help... count me in.

Quote from: "onlyme"Jassman:  since you asked, I will answer, and I will answer honestly.  I think that we will all have to give an account to God eventually, even for 'every idle word' we speak.   Now, also, as I've said before, I admit that, for my part, it is easier to control the tongue than it is to control other aspects of my life.  Maybe I'm just trying to make myself feel better - that I've at least done something - while being guilty of more serious things.  

At least, as far as the things I CAN control, I will at least make an effort.  Also, as I said in an earlier post, from my experience, those who swear either do it to look 'hard', or to 'fit in with the crowd', which is not a sign of strength in my view, but weakness, if you have to 'conform' to those around you.

Does that go some way to clarifying my position?

onlyme, if you go back and read the specific questions I asked, you will realize that you never really answered any of them... If you have the time, I'd appreciate if you'd answer the questions more specifically rather than just giving a general answer. If not, I can gather at least a little bit of what your perspective involves from the above.

big mac, jassman, thank you for wanting to help out.  Clicking on ads on the header or, if you happen to be ordering through Amazon anyway, using the amazon banner on the home page attaches my associate ID to the order for a referral percentage...doing things like that should be enough to help cover hosting.

Quote from: "onlyme"ok, sorry squid, i won't put words in your mouth

But how come you specify that so many use the bible to justify their actions?  You could equally read the news reports of mass murderers, for example, who say that 'satan' made me do it.

As regards your other post, saying uh, what did I do?  wait a minute, I'll get back to you.  It's only a joke, by the way.

That's not what I was talking about.  These guys used the bible as justification to beat their wives.  My statement never went past that.  I never said people use the bible to commit mass genocide and so forth.

I stated an observation from my own experience.  That observation was (I'll post it very specifically for you):

1) The organization I worked for had intervention groups for men who beat their wives or girlfriends.

2) Out of the entire group, there were many who utilized the bible as justification for beating their wives.

3) My statement was in response to a commment Court posted which stated:

Quote from: "Court"The Bible: a transcendent guide to marriage and parenting. Want to fuck up your kids and beat your wife? Find justification here!

That's it.  I made no claims, insinuations, allusions, hints or otherwise past what I exactly stated.  You are seeing something in my post that isn't there.

laetus, maybe you can answer this:

the logo that is displayed top-left of the home page, which looks like something along the lines of the hell's angels' winged logo, is it the eye of horus?  Or something completely different?

Quote from: "onlyme"laetus, maybe you can answer this:

the logo that is displayed top-left of the home page, which looks like something along the lines of the hell's angels' winged logo, is it the eye of horus?  Or something completely different?

look at http://www.invisiblepinkunicorn.com (http://www.invisiblepinkunicorn.com)

That explains it better, squid.  Personally I think that the people you described were totally out of order.  In fact I think anyone who beats his wife for any reason is out of order.  But to use the bible as justification is simply the lowest.

Thanks for clearing it up, anyway.

Ah, the link explains it. So that's what it is, I've heard that mentioned somewhere before on this forum.   As you can see, I'm a naturally curious person.  Sorry if some of my inquisitiveness causes you extra work, but you do a good job of explaining things in response to my (probably stupid sounding) questions.

Quote from: "onlyme"That explains it better, squid.  Personally I think that the people you described were totally out of order.  In fact I think anyone who beats his wife for any reason is out of order.  But to use the bible as justification is simply the lowest.

Thanks for clearing it up, anyway.

Cool, glad we're on the same page now.

I was just viewing these short video clips from youtube, which state that there is no law in America requiring it's citizens to pay taxes, and that basically, people are being duped into doing this.  I was wondering what you people thought.  This is one that I would especially like to ask of the lawyers on here.

there are several clips in the list, please, if you will, watch them and add your comments and thoughts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N331kGvh0U0&NR (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N331kGvh0U0&NR)

Onlyre, that movie was retarded and alarmist. We are all dumber for having watched it, I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_i ... ted_States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_the_United_States)

That link gives a little background on taxation in the USA.  I've heard of the "we don't actually have to pay taxes" conspiracy theory before (the video wasn't playing correctly, so I didn't watch it)...the conspiracy I heard deals with the difference between direct and indirect taxation, I think the wiki article gives enough background to show that taxation is perfectly constitutional.  A government can't run without taxes...it's almost stupid for someone to claim that we aren't legally required to pay them.

I could have sworn it states near the beginning of the constitution that congress will be able to levy taxes, raise an army and a navy, etc. How do you pay for such projects without taxation? People aren't going to just freely donate to help for the greater good.

Article 16 (1913) - The Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

I guess they never read the Constitution.

onlyme, here's a little free advice:  lay off the "Brits are superior campaign" you seem to be on.  You don't have many friends left on this forum.  

Now, go pay your television license fee like a good boy.  The BBC needs money to fund such stellar shows as "Jonathan Creek".

QuoteNow, go pay your television license fee like a good boy. The BBC needs money to fund such stellar shows as "Jonathan Creek".

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

And don't forget anything with Graham Norton on it  

I forgot who was telling me how great Channel 4 is or something. It sounds just like a mix of Fox and various other stations over here just lumped into one channel.

Hiya.  We do have some really good tv over here and the aforementioned BBC is a great resource tv-wise for drama, science/nature programmes, documentaries, politics and current affairs type programmes but there's a helluva lot of dross too plus the Director General (big boss) is a devout Catholic and so there's going to be an increase in religious programming so we're told which doesn't please me I have to say.  Channel 4 isn't what it once was, it is a bit of a mish-mash now.  It used to be quite cutting edge, showing things that no one else dared show but it's become more corporate now, like everything.  What the BBC does well is news and also its radio programmes.  I like Radio 4 and also BBC World Service.

Quote from: "~Jonathan~"Hiya.  We do have some really good tv over here and the aforementioned BBC is a great resource tv-wise for drama, science/nature programmes, documentaries, politics and current affairs type programmes but there's a helluva lot of dross too plus the Director General (big boss) is a devout Catholic and so there's going to be an increase in religious programming so we're told which doesn't please me I have to say.  Channel 4 isn't what it once was, it is a bit of a mish-mash now.  It used to be quite cutting edge, showing things that no one else dared show but it's become more corporate now, like everything.  What the BBC does well is news and also its radio programmes.  I like Radio 4 and also BBC World Service.

It can't beat the intellectual behemoth of MTV! We have Trippin'!

Quote from: "MommaSquid"onlyme, here's a little free advice:  lay off the "Brits are superior campaign" you seem to be on.  You don't have many friends left on this forum.  

MommaSquid, don't worry, I'm sure he doesn't think the Brits are superior.

He just forgot about the Canadians for a second. :wink:

Hey, the BBC is who created and aired "The Root of All Evil".  I don't think PBS will be airing that little Richard Dawkin's creation anytime soon.  Also, "Monty Python".  Nuff said.

I also love BBC radio.  NPR isn't bad... but it doesn't hold a candle to the BBC.  Where else would we have gotten "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy", "Dr Who", and BBC News.

onlyme said "Ah, the link explains it. So that's what it is, I've heard that mentioned somewhere before on this forum."

I think I asked that question...

Can I ask my random questions on this thread too? I don't want to start another random questions thread untill this one gets full. (if ever)

How do you make those special smilies?

ask away, silviakjell.  I've no qualms about you using MY special part of this forum for your random questions (within reason, of course), but yeah, fire away.

Until it gets full?  Well, I've a lot of questions still to ask, given time.  So I suppose it depends on the capacity of the servers, or something like that.

And I was wondering how to make those special smileys, too.

But mommasquid, I don't think the Brits are superior.  I KNOW they are superior.  In every way. It's just an established and accepted fact. Superior in intellect, in culture, in language, in manners, and so on and so forth.....You are, after all, and as I said before, our spawn, our offspring, much like the Australians, only they were sent there because of their crimes, whereas you,...... well, ...maybe you DID score a little military victory over us at some point in your history.  Which you all probably realise by now was a mistake...

Hey, lighten up a little, why don't you?   That's what I was told early on in my career on this forum.

...Otherwise I MIGHT just start believing the rumours that all atheists are blood-drinking, child-sacrificing, devil-worshipping, dog-raping............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz............give me a minute here, ok?.............grave-robbing, insidious, night-crawling, humourless, world-ruling, conspiratorial,.....oh, never mind, I lost track of my original thought and it's intended direction by now, anyway......

Hey, did my attempt at putting one of those smiley faces work?  I just tried it, but as I type now on my screen, it doesn't seem to be showing.

edit:  Hang on, it DOES seem to be showing.  But at the top of my post, and not at the bottom, where I would like it, and where everyone else manages to include it.  Any tips, anybody?

Right a mistake. We have guns, you guys don't. We are not watched by cameras as much as you people. We're definitely more free here than over at your country. You can claim to be free but anyone who isn't allowed to own a gun is just a few steps from calling his government "Master". At least we have the ability to fight such measures.

Did you also get told to "lighten up" early in your career as a mugger? See in your country, you tell people to treat muggings like a business transaction.  In America, we treat it like school, the mugger learns quick or dies trying. Maybe that's why we're a super power and you guys haven't been one for quite some time. Not to mention we had to save your asses a couple of times. Of course you and the French tend to forget without the US, you'd probably be speaking German, or maybe even Russian.

Maybe it's time for America to put it's "father/mother" into the nursing home.

Bigmac wrote:

Of course you and the French tend to forget without the US, you'd probably be speaking German, or maybe even Russian.


Or American, maybe?

Hey, has anybody noticed that I'm now the 'top poster' on this forum, with 422 posts to my credit?  No mean feat, eh, for a Christian on an atheist forum?

well, I keep you on your toes, no?

Who's the daddy?

Some of us are just a tad behind 400-someodd posts.

Onlyme, that's because you post twice. All the time. It's like you can't put multiple thoughts in one post. It's quite annoying.

Court, what do you mean, I post twice?  All the time?

I know I annoy you, Court.  I've known that for a long time, from your answers in response to my posts.    But you know what?  Though you are young and beautiful, I am not captivated or swayed by your beauty.  I respond to civility.   I've no beef with you, court, like you seem to have with me.  I've said it many times. You are undoubtedly a clever person.

Quote from: "Court"Onlyme, that's because you post twice. All the time. It's like you can't put multiple thoughts in one post. It's quite annoying.

Not just twice...sometimes 3 or 4 posts in a row...usually somewhat random thoughts or something which is not too much different from the previous post.

Post count means nothing if the posts don't contain any thoughtful content.

Onlyme, learn how to use the edit button when you want to say more after posting...it helps to keep the thread less cluttered.

Quote from: "onlyme"Bigmac wrote:

Of course you and the French tend to forget without the US, you'd probably be speaking German, or maybe even Russian.


Or American, maybe?

Hey we didn't force you guys to enjoy our culture, you came to it on your own accord. We didn't Blitz your country like the Nazi's did. You like watching our American television and our reality shows and our music videos and our Jeans and stuff.

And see what I just did, I hit the QUOTE button. Use it to quote someone, it opens up a page to post a whole response to.

And you do triple post a lot. It's annoying.

Quote from: "onlyme"Court, what do you mean, I post twice?  All the time?

Yes. All the time. Sometimes more than twice.

Quote from: "onlyme"I know I annoy you, Court.  I've known that for a long time, from your answers in response to my posts.    But you know what?  Though you are young and beautiful, I am not captivated or swayed by your beauty.  

Wow. That is the first time anyone has ever accused me of trying to "sway" them with my beauty.  :lol:  I don't care if you like me, onlyme, and as I've said before, I don't put effort into how I look because I don't care. Pretty much ever.
I'm sorry, that's just one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. I wasn't aware you thought I was hiding my dislike.

Quote from: "onlyme"I respond to civility.   I've no beef with you, court, like you seem to have with me.  I've said it many times. You are undoubtedly a clever person.

I don't really care, luckily enough. Plenty of people don't like me, or think I'm mean and blunt. What other people think isn't really that important.
You have proven yourself distasteful, and I have no reason to like you. I wish you would get over it (ie-Stop mentioning it). What I think about you doesn't really matter.

For onlyme, if you are still reading the threads, here is a suggested forum to visit:

http://www.christianforums.com/index.php (http://www.christianforums.com/index.php)

It's run nicely (unless it has changed for the worst over the past six months or so...I haven't been there in a while) and you can talk with people from a lot of different backgrounds.  In the section open to all members you will find pagans, deists, atheists, buddhists etc.

Quote from: "silviakjell"And MommaSquid, in your sig, did George Bush actually say that?  

Yes.  Here's my Source (http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/ghwbush.htm)

I figure we should use the 'random question' thread even if we're not talking to onlyme.  It keeps the other threads neat and tidy.

Quote from: "MommaSquid"I figure we should use the 'random question' thread even if we're not talking to onlyme.  It keeps the other threads neat and tidy.

Good idea, I'll just retitle the thread "Random Questions"

Why did all the dinosaurs die?

Quote from: "Big Mac"Why did all the dinosaurs die?

They all joined a dooms day cult and committed mass suicide

Quote from: "Big Mac"Why did all the dinosaurs die?

They never lived: God created fossils just to confuse us.

meteor? change in climate?

why do men age and go bald, and women just age?

Quote from: "silviakjell"why do men age and go bald, and women just age?

Because there really is a god and she's a woman!   :lol:


Seriously, do you know how pissed off I'd be if I lost my hair!?

hahahaha, then women shoudn't get old either.

you know, my 10 year old sister doesn't take care of her hair(wash, comb, etc.) and she started to go bald. actually true! an area about as big as your fist had no hair whatsoever.

Hey I just removed all the shot and powder out of a shotgun shell, what do you think will happen if I chamber it and fire it with just the primer? Do you think it'll be a loud bang?

I think it will jam in your shotgun.

Even a Pump shotgun? It chambers and exits normally, just ejects out further.

Dunno.  I'm no expert but I wouldn't risk it.

I've done it with a shot gun shell with a spent primer...Nothing happen. shot gun was pump, and the shell came out fine.

This is a live primer, I was bored so I wanted to compare buck with bird shot and now curiousity has got my cat.

Quote from: "Big Mac"All politicians, lawyers, cops, and anything that deals with the government or authority in general, are wankers.

I thought you wanted to be a cop.

Quote from: "Big Mac"This is a live primer, I was bored so I wanted to compare buck with bird shot and now curiousity has got my cat.

Honestly, I think it'd work just fine. The primer will probably sound about like a fire-cracker I'd imagine. Or, maybe just a very short hiss?

I have a random question:

How do I start a poll?

Please answer, that is, if any of you are still talking to me, (in a cyber sense, of course)

Ok, two questions:

How do I get rid of this hideous avatar?

You get rid of the avatar when you stop putting up this facade, onlyme. Not to mention when you stop being a troll.

Deleted.

This was a random question so I'm answering it here:

Quote from: "fundie"Hey, who put that avatar up there?

I think I detect the intervention of laetus in all this.

Shame on you, laetus.

You have been trolled for lying to the forum (you were about to be trolled anyway before you asked for your other account to be deleted)...I thought of just banning you since that is a big forum no no, but decided to give you a chance to redeem yourself.

Quote from: "laetusatheos"This was a random question so I'm answering it here:

Quote from: "fundie"Hey, who put that avatar up there?

I think I detect the intervention of laetus in all this.

Shame on you, laetus.

You have been trolled for lying to the forum (you were about to be trolled anyway before you asked for your other account to be deleted)...I thought of just banning you since that is a big forum no no, but decided to give you a chance to redeem yourself.

Laetus:

Have I been lying to the forum?  I didn't think I would be allowed to re-register with a user-name that had already been used once.

And your conclusion is?

Personally, I don't mind if I'm banned.  I have not been known for losing excessive amounts of sleep recently over who likes me/bans me, etc, on this forum

What about the question I posted about how to start a new poll? You should know, if anybody.  That is, if you haven't banned me already.

So what is the answer?  I want to start a new onlyme popularity poll.  For amusement purpose only, you understand.

Incidentally, as a matter for the public record, I don't intend responding to people who have shown an intense dislike for me in the past.  
Not to name any names (I'm thinking of a matriarchal sea creature with tentacles).  You are safe, all you people who don't like me.  I am not interested in talking to people who aren't interested in talking to me.

Why not just ban him laetus? He says he only interested in talking to people who want to talk to him, but he never answered any of the posts I made to him, including your request for him to answer pages worth of questions and posts I made for him.

If he can't take the time to courteously respond to the ONLY person in here who defended his sorry ass when he first pissed everybody else off, then screw him.

McQ:

But I will respond to you, if you just remind me of the question.  I'm not very good at this thing.  But I believe that my God has the wisdom to humble you, whatever it is you posted.  Please enlighten me.   Please refresh my memory.

Ban me, laetus, as McQ said.  As I've said before, I am not renowned for losing too much sleep over what atheists think of me, or of God.

McQ, I am generally, as far as I know, regarded as a courteous person.  As I understand it, you are one of the few people on here who are willing to give me a fair hearing.  Not everybody is like that.  

Do I care?  Not really.

After all, you (that includes ALL of you), don't have to answer to me, but to GOD.

Ridicule ME all you want.  But the story is not over yet, don't you know?

When the final chapter has been played out, then please tell me I was wrong.  If you can.

Remember  my name.    Stephen Howarth..

Quote from: "fundie"McQ:

But I will respond to you, if you just remind me of the question.  I'm not very good at this thing.  But I believe that my God has the wisdom to humble you, whatever it is you posted.  Please enlighten me.   Please refresh my memory.

I'm as humble as I need to be, onlyme. And I already reminded you of all the things you were asked to answer. YOU go back and read the damn posts. I'm not going to re-repost shit for you. It's all there. Go find it. I tried to get you to answer things at the time. Show some courtesy yourself first, and maybe you'll get it from others. I'm breaking my own rule by even responding to you right now. And worry about your own humility while you're at it.

Quote from: "McQ"

Quote from: "fundie"McQ:

But I will respond to you, if you just remind me of the question.  I'm not very good at this thing.  But I believe that my God has the wisdom to humble you, whatever it is you posted.  Please enlighten me.   Please refresh my memory.

I'm as humble as I need to be, onlyme. And I already reminded you of all the things you were asked to answer. YOU go back and read the damn posts. I'm not going to re-repost shit for you. It's all there. Go find it. I tried to get you to answer things at the time. Show some courtesy yourself first, and maybe you'll get it from others. I'm breaking my own rule by even responding to you right now. And worry about your own humility while you're at it.

McQ, I don't know how to do what you suggest. I'm not computer savvy enough.  I feel no shame in that.  But I know that if you were hurting, hungry, lost, fearful, skint, I would be there for you

Are semantics and dogma the only thing people of this world understand?  I found out differently.  If you disagree, fine.   But my brother, my own flesh and blood, when he comes to me, I will try to help him in that need.

Think what you will. I will continue to live for today.   When I see a need, I will try to meet it.  You may criticise.  That's ok.   Criticise.  It might be you next.

If my faith doesn't translate into real, practical help and advice for my fellow human beings, then it means nothing, to me, or the people I'm supposed to be helping.

Think I'm a fraud?  There is nobody, in my opinion, who I would rather be on my side, than I, myself.  I am for you.


Mock, mock, mock.

The people who know me don't mock

Quote from: "fundie"

Quote from: "McQ"

Quote from: "fundie"McQ:

But I will respond to you, if you just remind me of the question.  I'm not very good at this thing.  But I believe that my God has the wisdom to humble you, whatever it is you posted.  Please enlighten me.   Please refresh my memory.

I'm as humble as I need to be, onlyme. And I already reminded you of all the things you were asked to answer. YOU go back and read the damn posts. I'm not going to re-repost shit for you. It's all there. Go find it. I tried to get you to answer things at the time. Show some courtesy yourself first, and maybe you'll get it from others. I'm breaking my own rule by even responding to you right now. And worry about your own humility while you're at it.

McQ, I don't know how to do what you suggest. I'm not computer savvy enough.  I feel no shame in that.  But I know that if you were hurting, hungry, lost, fearful, skint, I would be there for you

Are semantics and dogma the only thing people of this world understand?  I found out differently.  If you disagree, fine.   But my brother, my own flesh and blood, when he comes to me, I will try to help him in that need.

Think what you will. I will continue to live for today.   When I see a need, I will try to meet it.  You may criticise.  That's ok.   Criticise.  It might be you next.

If my faith doesn't translate into real, practical help and advice for my fellow human beings, then it means nothing, to me, or the people I'm supposed to be helping.

Think I'm a fraud?  There is nobody, in my opinion, who I would rather be on my side, than I, myself.  I am for you.


Mock, mock, mock.

The people who know me don't mock

Oh I'm not mocking you at all. You have consistently misread that from my posts. I'm just telling you that I won't explain to you how to do something a second time. You have all the information you need to go look back at the old posts. You just need to be a bit less lazy about it. By going back yourself you will show that you are actually willing to walk the talk.

I was already there for you, by the way. You proved to me that my defending you was a mistake by your arrogance and lack of humility. That is why I have had nothing more to do with you until now. Now get down to business, look up the old posts and there might be something to be accomplished. Otherwise, it's no skin off my nose. As I've said numerous times to you already, "I've been where you are now." But you haven't been where I am. So are we going to fish or just cut bait?

Let's say we wanted someone to leave this forum of his own free will.  We know that banning him will not work, and ignoring his posts only seems to encourage him to make more posts.  He is inconsiderate of basic forum etiquette and claims it is not his fault.  We have made attempts to educate him on the proper way of doing things and have instructed him in the past, and yet he does not seem to learn from our tutelage or his mistakes.  He adds nothing intelligent to our conversations and frequently derails us with off-topic questions.  He knows this is an atheist forum and yet he insults our beliefs with his fundamentalist content.  He thinks he is doing us a favor by being here and spreading the word of the lord even though we have marked him with the "shame on me" Troll for Christ.  


How do we get rid of this guy?  Would voting him off actually convince him to leave?


Say this guy was stupid enough to use his full name and provide us with the name of the town in which he resides.  Would it be OK to display his home address and phone number?  

This guy left of his own free will before, but came crawling back.  Maybe his home-life in unsatisfying.  Maybe we should write a letter to his wife asking her to intervene in our behalf.

I'm not saying we would ever take these drastic measures.  Just thinking out loud.  


Unwelcome posters should leave on their own.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.   I don't intend to pander to the wishes of those who wish to draw me into an argument.  But if you were on the side of the road, needy, who would you rather be within reach of you?

I rest my case

Quote from: "MommaSquid"Let's say we wanted someone to leave this forum of his own free will.  We know that banning him will not work, and ignoring his posts only seems to encourage him to make more posts.  He is inconsiderate of basic forum etiquette and claims it is not his fault.  We have made attempts to educate him on the proper way of doing things and have instructed him in the past, and yet he does not seem to learn from our tutelage or his mistakes.  He adds nothing intelligent to our conversations and frequently derails us with off-topic questions.  He knows this is an atheist forum and yet he insults our beliefs with his fundamentalist content.  He thinks he is doing us a favor by being here and spreading the word of the lord even though we have marked him with the "shame on me" Troll for Christ.  


How do we get rid of this guy?  Would voting him off actually convince him to leave?


Say this guy was stupid enough to use his full name and provide us with the name of the town in which he resides.  Would it be OK to display his home address and phone number?  

This guy left of his own free will before, but came crawling back.  Maybe his home-life in unsatisfying.  Maybe we should write a letter to his wife asking her to intervene in our behalf.

I'm not saying we would ever take these drastic measures.  Just thinking out loud.  


Unwelcome posters should leave on their own.

That is my full name : my full name is Stephen Howarth.  I live at 58 Woodhouse lane, Wigan, Lancashire. WN6 7LN. UK. My mobile phone number is 07788 181394.  I have nothing to hide.  Have you?

As I said before, I will be there for my brother who is in need, whatever his background, ethnicity, race, inclination.  You name it.  Try my number.  You will get me in person.  The only other person who answers my phone is my daughter, Lisa,  occasionally, or my grandson, Connor.

Quote from: "fundie"That is my full name : my full name is Stephen Howarth.  I live at 58 Woodhouse lane, Wigan, Lancashire. WN6 7LN. UK. My mobile phone number is 07788 181394.  I have nothing to hide.  Have you?

As I said before, I will be there for my brother who is in need, whatever his background, ethnicity, race, inclination.  You name it.  Try my number.  You will get me in person.  The only other person who answers my phone is my daughter, Lisa,  occasionally, or my grandson, Connor.

I'm a relative new guy here, so I don't have the history you all have with "onlyme"...

But if that's fundie's real info, he's called your bluff.  That takes some Big Brass Ones here in the anonymous net.

I've had my differences with fundie, but to be honest, they've so far been of a mostly polite nature.  I've had bigger issues with others here.

So, for my two cents... I'd like to start fresh with Fundie.  Everyone deserves a second chance.

Hello Stephen.  My name is Joe - pleased to meet you.

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Quote from: "fundie"That is my full name : my full name is Stephen Howarth.  I live at 58 Woodhouse lane, Wigan, Lancashire. WN6 7LN. UK. My mobile phone number is 07788 181394.  I have nothing to hide.  Have you?

As I said before, I will be there for my brother who is in need, whatever his background, ethnicity, race, inclination.  You name it.  Try my number.  You will get me in person.  The only other person who answers my phone is my daughter, Lisa,  occasionally, or my grandson, Connor.

I'm a relative new guy here, so I don't have the history you all have with "onlyme"...

But if that's fundie's real info, he's called your bluff.  That takes some Big Brass Ones here in the anonymous net.

I've had my differences with fundie, but to be honest, they've so far been of a mostly polite nature.  I've had bigger issues with others here.

So, for my two cents... I'd like to start fresh with Fundie.  Everyone deserves a second chance.

Hello Stephen.  My name is Joe - pleased to meet you.

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Quote from: "MommaSquid"Let's say we wanted someone to leave this forum of his own free will.  We know that banning him will not work, and ignoring his posts only seems to encourage him to make more posts.  He is inconsiderate of basic forum etiquette and claims it is not his fault.  We have made attempts to educate him on the proper way of doing things and have instructed him in the past, and yet he does not seem to learn from our tutelage or his mistakes.  He adds nothing intelligent to our conversations and frequently derails us with off-topic questions.  He knows this is an atheist forum and yet he insults our beliefs with his fundamentalist content.  He thinks he is doing us a favor by being here and spreading the word of the lord even though we have marked him with the “shame on me” Troll for Christ.  


How do we get rid of this guy?  Would voting him off actually convince him to leave?


Say this guy was stupid enough to use his full name and provide us with the name of the town in which he resides.  Would it be OK to display his home address and phone number?  

This guy left of his own free will before, but came crawling back.  Maybe his home-life in unsatisfying.  Maybe we should write a letter to his wife asking her to intervene in our behalf.

I'm not saying we would ever take these drastic measures.  Just thinking out loud.  


Unwelcome posters should leave on their own.

That is my full name : my full name is Stephen Howarth.  I live at 58 Woodhouse lane, Wigan, Lancashire. WN6 7LN. UK. My mobile phone number is 07788 181394.  I have nothing to hide.  Have you?

As I said before, I will be there for my brother who is in need, whatever his background, ethnicity, race, inclination.  You name it.  Try my number.  You will get me in person.  The only other person who answers my phone is my daughter, Lisa,  occasionally, or my grandson, Connor.

58 Woodhouse Lane? Is that up by Canal Street or down at the other end by Diggle Street?

You got me there, McQ,  Have you been looking at Google Earth, by any chance?  

The answer to your question is yes, by the way.

Oh, what a wonderful thing the internet is, don't you agree? Now, what is your 20?  (1980's CB speak for your location)

Quote from: "fundie"You got me there, McQ,  Have you been looking at Google Earth, by any chance?  

The answer to your question is yes, by the way.

Oh, what a wonderful thing the internet is, don't you agree? Now, what is your 20?  (1980's CB speak for your location)

Oh I'm just waiting for you to answer some leftover posts. My location? Sitting at my computer desk, facing south.

hey onlyme, answer my instant messages dammit!

What Instant message is that, Bigmac?

I looked at my 'new messages', at the top of the page, as I always do, but found no new messages, as usual.  Maybe I'm missing something, I don't know.  I will get back to you on that one, I promise.  

Give me time, OK?

Ok, I looked for messages, can't find any. Can you enlighten me in any way, McMuffin?  Sorry, Bigmac?

How am I supposed to access Ims on this thing?  I ain't not been on this thing long enough to know how it works.

No no, I meant instant message on Yahoo. Since you posted your yahoo address I've been sending you IM's on yahoo.

Quote from: "Big Mac"No no, I meant instant message on Yahoo. Since you posted your yahoo address I've been sending you IM's on yahoo.

Don't quite get you there, McFlurry, or Bigmac, or whatever your global corporate name happens to be,

What does it mean "since you posted your yahoo address I've been sending you IMs on yahoo?"

Does that mean emails?  I ain't never used IMs.  My daughter uses them all the time.  I don't.  If you could enlighten me as to how I could access these messages, I would.  Please explain. Please clarify.

Simple, download Yahoo Instant messenger if you don't have it already.

Just log in to it like you would your yahoo e-mail.

Quote from: "fundie"But I know that if you were hurting, hungry, lost, fearful, skint, I would be there for you

By "be there for you", he means "mug your ass while you're not looking." In the name of Jesus, of course.

Quote from: "onlyme"Think what you will. I will continue to live for today.  

I thought Christianity taught you to live for the afterlife?

Quote from: "joeactor"But if that's fundie's real info, he's called your bluff.  That takes some Big Brass Ones here in the anonymous net.

I consider my bluff called.   :bang:  I guess that means he's staying.

Quote from: "fundie"It's so refreshing to hear from someone like you, joeactor, who is not so blinkerered.

I don't know what that means, but it feels like an insult.  No matter.

It's not Joe's fault. He has yet to fully experience the frustration and pure stubborn stupidity that is onlyme.

Quote from: "Big Mac"Simple, download Yahoo Instant messenger if you don't have it already.

Just log in to it like you would your yahoo e-mail.

Bigmac, I loaded up Yahoo messenger, and the only messages were from somebody called malloveday -  3 messages about a girlfriend or something.  That wouldn't be you, would it?

Oh I wish I were oscar mayer weiner.....

I'm telling you, he's being stupid on purpose.
Which makes him not just a fucking dumbass, but a frustratingly annoying fucking dumbas..

Eh, well you're letting him win if you get mad. Just ignore him, his time is running out when Laet gets back on.

You're lucky she's busy with school and stuff, onlyme, she's going to get rid of you, no doubt.

Quote from: "Big Mac"Eh, well you're letting him win if you get mad. Just ignore him, his time is running out when Laet gets back on.

You're lucky she's busy with school and stuff, onlyme, she's going to get rid of you, no doubt.

You know what?  I don't care.  I am now leaving this forum for the LAST time.  Laetus, please delete my information again.  I have no more to offer or to receive.  I give you my word as a Christian that I will never again sign in or post anything on this atheist forum.


And you call Christians exclusive?  

But remember my name. That is, if you want to.  Whether you are saved, in which case we will shake hands one day, or whether you are not, and you are suffering unquenchable torment.    

I told you.

Remember my name.  I came as a friend.  

But you atheists are willing to put up with anything except a born again Christian, who cares only for your soul (believe it or not)

You made your bed.  You will now lie in it, no doubt.

I'm not deleting your info again...you are banned.

And don't play the persecution card, we do have another Christian on this forum and another theist.

Quote from: "laetusatheos"I'm not deleting you info again...you are banned.

And the peasants cheered!   :party:   Hurray!!

PB&J for everyone!

Oh I am so scared of your merciful god. Because I didn't kiss his cosmic ass, I will suffer forever while some rapist/murderer/child molestor/violent thief who accepted Jesus on his death bed will enjoy eternal life. Talk about justice. There is no justice in the world, only what we make in it. My justice is measured in gauges and calibers, backed by the names of S&W, GLOCK, Kalashinov, and Colt. Pocket pistols for all, to all a good night. GLOCK bless us, everyone....

Harboring delusions of spirits, afterlives et al. is still no excuse for being a jackass.