There is also the shroud of turin, which verifies Jesus in a new way than other evidences.
Quote from: Icarus on June 13, 2025, 06:08:25 AMI lived in the Nutmeg State for a while Harmonie. It is beautiful for most of the year, but one has to live there for a while to believe that the winter scene is beautiful. I never did make friends with black ice and that sort of winter phenomena. Chains on tires were not my favorite implements either.
One of the things I liked best about Connecticut is that I found my wife there. I loved her dearly for thirty five years. She went to the happy hunting grounds in 1984 and I still love that "damn Yankee" woman with all my heart. The words "Damn Yankee" are terms of endearment in this case.
Quote from: Vocaloldfart on May 22, 2025, 02:52:24 AMDeath and taxes, such is life. We cannot escape either.Nor should we. Imagine how boring "forever" would get long before you even got "half way." Then, try to finance paving the stretch of road between your home and the grocery store out of your own pocket.
QuoteHowever science and medicine is slowly extending the human life span, but death will always win out in the end. Perhaps with A.I. and trans-humanism???Yeah... Perhaps, but not in "our" lifetime, and honestly, you'd likely not appreciate being one of the first generations of cyborgs.
QuoteWe pay taxes and expect our respective governments to provide services that we rely on, such as security, housing, medical, biosecurity and transportation for a start.with the exception of security, I do not expect the government to provide any of that. I expect the government to provide public infrastructure and facilitate access to education and health care. The fact that where I live, the government will also largely pay fpor the latter is a privilege. To expect such is to invite disappointment.
QuoteWe gladly pay these because our society cannot function without the services provided.You pay your rent to live in a nice place, and if the landlord is even the least bit competent, then chances are that place is pretty much what you pay for.
QuoteTaxes are a payment for services provided , the taxpayer is not allowed to say how his money is being spent.You don't have elections in your country? In mine, how tax money is spent is more or less front and center in every single one of those. And if no party aligns with my specific wants and needs, I am even free to start my own and advocate for those. Blackjack. And hookers. In fact, forget the blackjack.
QuoteThere is corruption in governments that is for sure and the taxpayer has a right to see to the matter.Has he? From whence cometh said right?
QuoteThere is another global government corruption, that is a lot more insidious than sticky fingers in our tax pockets.So vote nationalist if your country is a net contributor - vote globalist if it is a net recepient of international benefits. You can be as self-serving with your mandate as you please.
QuoteThis is the global governments financing, instigating and carrying out murder on an industrial scale.Puh-lease! The Gliobal Government(tm) is a coalition of often-opposing interests, who cannot agree on pretty-much anything at all.
QuoteThe taxpayer, via their respective government pays the military industrial complexes, not just for our protection but also for espionage, aggression and intimidation.Of course. Diplomacy does not end when you have asked the bad man to respect your interests all nicely-like and he said "NO."
QuoteGovernments are the expression of the various peoples and cultures, every taxpayer world wide is a share holder in their own form of government.No. Every citizen is, in a way, a shareholder in his nation. Not every taxpayer is the same. That's where my rent analogy comes in nicely. If you rent a home, you do not automatically have an ownership stake in it. You may, or you may not.
QuoteWe cannot blame our respective government, for they are the expression of us! We dare not complain about the global wars and carnage because it is us who pay.But "we" do can and do dare do that. Again, some of "us" don't live in bloody North Korea.
QuoteWE ARE THE MERCENARIES WHO FINANCE THE DEATH AND CARNAGE!Nah. In this analogy, we are the warlords who hire them mercs. Mercs don't finance wars. They get paid.
Quote from: Vocaloldfart on June 05, 2025, 01:26:27 PMWe as atheists do worship a god!!Generally, no. Atheism does not in itself preclude a lot of people from having faith of the most irrational kind in causes they find agreeable, but if we agree to separate a deity from, say, a natural force by the presence of intent and further agree that "worship" is a stronger word than "respect" or "admiration," then quite simply no. No, "we" do not.
QuoteIt has as many names as there are nations on earthLess than two hundred, then? Not too bad.
QuoteThe names are many but collectively we call It MONEY.Use it - all the time. Try to manipulate it for personal gain - sure. Seek it - less so, as what many are looking for, is the things money can do and buy for them. Worship? No.