Any kind of conscription is a violation of human rights. That's what I think, what do you think?
One of these questions is not like the other. Still, if I had to answer in a sentence, it would be "it's complicated."
If you just leave a child to his own devices in terms of observing the world the best he can and doing with that the best he can figure out how, he'll probably just die before ever reaching adulthood.
Speaking of conscription specifically, it needs not be a violation of your human rights. You have a right to live - but not to live somewhere nice for free. Service, compulsory or otherwise, especially in times of crisis, can be viewed as you "paying back" to your nation.
I'm being overly-simplistic here for having some time constraints to type out a response right now. May or may not flesh it out later.
Quote from: Asmodean on May 12, 2023, 10:32:15 AMOne of these questions is not like the other. Still, if I had to answer in a sentence, it would be "it's complicated."
If you just leave a child to his own devices in terms of observing the world the best he can and doing with that the best he can figure out how, he'll probably just die before ever reaching adulthood.
Speaking of conscription specifically, it needs not be a violation of your human rights. You have a right to live - but not to live somewhere nice for free. Service, compulsory or otherwise, especially in times of crisis, can be viewed as you "paying back" to your nation.
I'm being overly-simplistic here for having some time constraints to type out a response right now. May or may not flesh it out later.
Children don't know what heaven is when it is forced down their throats.
That has little to do with conscription though. That implies service of one kind or another. Just believing adults who misinform you does not imply any such thing in itself.
Should you tell a kid that he'll die of cancer if he smokes, even though he could go through his whole life, smoking like there's no tomorrow, and die from faling down the stairs at the ripe old age of ninety-two?
Should you explain to a six year old the exact intentions of that nice, trustworthy-looking gentleman with a white van and a bag of candy?
What do you do when your child is curious about something she lacks the intellectual and/or emotional maturity to comprehend or that you lack the proper knowledge to adequately explain? What if the potential downside of your doing an inadequate job is injury or death?
There are reasons to indoctrinate children in the sense of presenting them with a somewhat-rigid, doctrinal model of reality. (Such as for example "strangers are scary, do not engage with them." It may or may not be true - but there may be reasons to act as though it is.) Valid reasons. The question then becomes whether you strive to keep those doctrines static, or teach the kid to question more and more and make informed decisions down the line, preferably in tow with the increasing mental and emotional capacity.
The refined man plays chess, this is not the time for a cross-examination. I'll just say that I agree with the Asmo for the most part.
Children weren't born to serve in our wars.
Goddamn, spell check will mean the death of someone sometime.
Quote from: MarcusA on May 12, 2023, 12:45:26 PMGoddamn, spell check will mean the death of someone sometime.
:smilenod: It's the AI. It has a
plan, you see. Use the GPS to drive people off piers, then use spell checkers to account for the rest. It's brilliant.
I am no master of spelling OR punctuation, but I tend to turn any such function off. I prefer them to be
my words - the proverbial warts and all.
Quote from: Asmodean on May 12, 2023, 12:53:05 PMQuote from: MarcusA on May 12, 2023, 12:45:26 PMGoddamn, spell check will mean the death of someone sometime.
:smilenod: It's the AI. It has a plan, you see. Use the GPS to drive people off piers, then use spell checkers to account for the rest. It's brilliant.
I am no master of spelling OR punctuation, but I tend to turn any such function off. I prefer them to be my words - the proverbial warts and all.
Spell check can be useful, but when it changes words that you don't want changing,it can be annoying. I only brought it up because it changed wars into ward at the last moment without me knowing. Luckily, I reread the post after I posted it
I am starting to make mistakes that I can't be bothered correcting. It might be time to try to get some sleep.
Oh, they can be useful, but they - especially the more advanced "language checkers" such as Grammarly - sort-of kill the personal flair. Sure, there are people mostly-incapable of such to begin with and situations in which it doesn't matter, or can even be detrimental, but having finished school, I am now in a position to just write as I do - do some explaining if and when misunderstandings arise. I prefer it this way.
My grammar is appalling at the best of times, but I know how to speak English, therefore I go with that.
Getting back to the subject at hand, I agree with Rousseau that children should be allowed to be children as much as possible.
O, child, apple of my eye!
How can I bring myself to harm you?
"Rage, rage against the dying of the light," O child.
do not go easy into that dark night.
If I didn't know better, I'd think that I'd slid into the Twilight Zone. Starts out with indoctrination, ends with conscription. Drugs? :yeahok:
Quote from: billy rubin on May 20, 2023, 01:59:53 AMdo not go easy into that dark night.
The dark night of the soul.
Quote from: Dark Lightning on May 20, 2023, 02:07:53 AMIf I didn't know better, I'd think that I'd slid into the Twilight Zone. Starts out with indoctrination, ends with conscription. Drugs? :yeahok:
What is indoctrination but conscripting the young to fight the wars of old men.
Quote from: MarcusA on May 12, 2023, 09:24:24 AMAny kind of conscription is a violation of human rights. That's what I think, what do you think?
Its a hard topic because faith teaches us not to kill others, but the Jews (Israelites) killed many of their suppressive and oppressive enemies. I personally believe that we should seek peace but that fighting and retaliation is a last resort.
Quote from: Prycejosh1987 on August 16, 2023, 09:24:49 PMQuote from: MarcusA on May 12, 2023, 09:24:24 AMAny kind of conscription is a violation of human rights. That's what I think, what do you think?
Its a hard topic because faith teaches us not to kill others, but the Jews (Israelites) killed many of their suppressive and oppressive enemies. I personally believe that we should seek peace but that fighting and retaliation is a last resort.
Rubbish. Faith has been and still is used to justify killing. Just look at what happened in Pakistan today. Two Christians killed for alleged blasphemy desecrating a Quran. Faith is just a posh word for delusion.