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Title: Not quite the heathen
Post by: MarcusA on April 24, 2023, 08:46:52 AM
I have always doubted but I have never quite been a heathen.
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: No one on April 24, 2023, 09:31:26 AM
Come to the dark side. We have cookies.
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: MarcusA on April 24, 2023, 10:06:36 AM
Is that you, Darth?
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: Tank on April 24, 2023, 11:35:33 AM
No. No one
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: MarcusA on April 24, 2023, 11:58:38 AM
No-one, hey, I'm a nobody.
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: Asmodean on April 24, 2023, 01:29:34 PM
Asmo. The Asmo. Pleasantries.

I put more stock in scepticism than I do in belief one way or the other. I don't buy any non-vague description of a god as a thing that must - or is even likely to - exist, especially as a god, and find those of more vague variety irrelevant to my existence.

In any case, scepticism can take you far on the intellectual journey that is life, I think. Doubt is good. Well, unless you are a soldier, whose is but to do and die, or a child faced with the dilemma of crossing the road in front of a speeding lorry or not.
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: MarcusA on April 24, 2023, 05:52:14 PM
I believe that scepticism is healthy in small doses. One must believe in something other than ourselves, anything other than religion. For me, it is humanism that helps me to stay grounded.

It is not doubt but certainty that  drives you mad. - Friedrich Nietzsche
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: MarcusA on April 25, 2023, 09:32:50 PM
Madness is hell.
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: MarcusA on April 25, 2023, 09:37:33 PM
I am not a teacher but a heathen, parodying Robert Frost.
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: Asmodean on April 26, 2023, 07:38:50 AM
Quote from: MarcusA on April 24, 2023, 05:52:14 PMIt is not doubt but certainty that  drives you mad. - Friedrich Nietzsche
The gloriously-mustachioed one was onto something there. The question, I think, is how you approach said certainty. If the hardest, most brittle model of reality you apply is subject to change, then it's probably not too bad. If, however, your world is contingent on thing being just-so... Yeah. With the advent of a conflicting reality - or just a better model, it may be subject to... Madness.
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: MarcusA on April 27, 2023, 05:10:06 PM
Quote from: Asmodean on April 26, 2023, 07:38:50 AM
Quote from: MarcusA on April 24, 2023, 05:52:14 PMIt is not doubt but certainty that  drives you mad. - Friedrich Nietzsche
The gloriously-mustachioed one was onto something there. The question, I think, is how you approach said certainty. If the hardest, most brittle model of reality you apply is subject to change, then it's probably not too bad. If, however, your world is contingent on thing being just-so... Yeah. With the advent of a conflicting reality - or just a better model, it may be subject to... Madness.

Madness is a whole other world.
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: Asmodean on April 28, 2023, 07:46:34 AM
Not at all. It's just a persistently-poor model of the world or approach to it.
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: MarcusA on April 29, 2023, 06:01:42 AM
Quote from: Asmodean on April 28, 2023, 07:46:34 AMNot at all. It's just a persistently-poor model of the world or approach to it.

I think that it is just the luck of the draw.
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: No one on April 29, 2023, 12:41:23 PM
The world is just fine. It's the hooman infestation that's the issue.
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: Asmodean on May 02, 2023, 11:05:24 AM
Quote from: No one on April 29, 2023, 12:41:23 PMThe world is just fine. It's the hooman infestation that's the issue.

:sadnod: The Asmo spent one and a half hour to travel five kilometers by car this morning. He blames humans.

...Come to think of it, He ought to SMITE some, is what He ought to do. :smilenod:
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: No one on May 02, 2023, 11:09:32 AM
Smite them all.

Every. Last. Mother fucking. One. Of. Them.
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: MarcusA on May 02, 2023, 06:37:30 PM
No one, I know that you like playing around, but humanity is in crisis.
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: No one on May 02, 2023, 06:40:10 PM
I fucking hate people.
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: MarcusA on May 02, 2023, 06:55:52 PM
And you hate yourself so much that you talk to them.
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: No one on May 02, 2023, 06:59:08 PM
I like individual persons, I do not like the species. They are fucking awful creatures.
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: MarcusA on May 02, 2023, 07:20:45 PM
Compared to nature, human beings are nothing different.
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: No one on May 03, 2023, 10:43:18 AM
Right. Are you new to the planet?
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: MarcusA on May 03, 2023, 08:59:33 PM
I am lame, not tame.
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: No one on May 03, 2023, 09:04:19 PM
Is that a yes?
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: MarcusA on May 03, 2023, 09:44:59 PM
I don't know. You decide for yourself.
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: MarcusA on May 05, 2023, 01:10:10 AM
Humanism might be all I have in the end.
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: Asmodean on May 05, 2023, 07:21:47 AM
That's a bit sad, as statements go. One really ought to have more in life than its overarching philosophy. Of course, a lot of people do not... Some don't even have that, really.
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: MarcusA on May 06, 2023, 04:35:07 AM
Quote from: Asmodean on May 05, 2023, 07:21:47 AMThat's a bit sad, as statements go. One really ought to have more in life than its overarching philosophy. Of course, a lot of people do not... Some don't even have that, really.

There's no heaven or hell in humanism.
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: Asmodean on May 09, 2023, 08:27:03 AM
One could argue that there is no heaven or hell in existence.

Why is its absence or presence in Humanism at all relevant? If your preferred life philosophy had a doctrine of Santa-worship, would you then believe in Santa just because "an ideology demands it?"
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: MarcusA on May 10, 2023, 12:47:50 AM
Quote from: Asmodean on May 09, 2023, 08:27:03 AMOne could argue that there is no heaven or hell in existence.

Why is its absence or presence in Humanism at all relevant? If your preferred life philosophy had a doctrine of Santa-worship, would you then believe in Santa just because "an ideology demands it?"

Humanism forces nothing on me.
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: Asmodean on May 10, 2023, 07:27:13 AM
Therein lies my question; how is Humanism having a heaven or hell relevant to your life philosophy?
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: MarcusA on May 10, 2023, 05:55:33 PM
Quote from: MarcusA on May 06, 2023, 04:35:07 AM
Quote from: Asmodean on May 05, 2023, 07:21:47 AMThat's a bit sad, as statements go. One really ought to have more in life than its overarching philosophy. Of course, a lot of people do not... Some don't even have that, really.

There's no heaven or hell in humanism.
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: Asmodean on May 11, 2023, 07:49:15 AM
I'm at best a coincidental Humanist though - I doubt that many Humanists would call me one.
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: MarcusA on May 11, 2023, 08:40:15 PM
Quote from: Asmodean on May 11, 2023, 07:49:15 AMI'm at best a coincidental Humanist though - I doubt that many Humanists would call me one.

No-one can really call themselves a humanist. It is usual to call a person a humanist after they are dead.
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: MarcusA on May 13, 2023, 06:36:41 AM
A man is but an animal without a woman.
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: Asmodean on May 15, 2023, 07:28:57 AM
 :lol: Better that, I suppose, than being an animal with a woman... Well, unless both parties are into such kinks.
Title: Re: Not quite the heathen
Post by: MarcusA on May 17, 2023, 02:52:36 AM
I want to fuck you like an animal - Nine Inch Nails. Damn good song.