The issue of trigger-happy police deserves a thread. Rotten bastids.
I hope (and believe) that if I were confronted with a law enforcement officer yapping about "taser" who then pulled a gun and pointed it at me, I'd have the presence of mind to instantly and firmly inform them "That's a gun, you idiot," even when I was only 20. Nobody's life should depend on that when dealing with a person whose job is supposedly to protect the public.
"The Cop Who Killed Daunte Wright Meant To Tase Him But Accidentally Fired Her Gun, Police Said" | BuzzFeed News (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/juliareinstein/daunte-wright-minnesota-shooting-brooklyn-center)
[Edited for context. - R]
Rec I am certain that you would have the presence of mind to help the cop understand about her choice of gun instead of taser. Sad to say that such an appeal to rationality would have found you as dead as the subject unfortunate victim.
Rec this forum cannot afford to have lost you. You are one of the essential driving forces here. I beseech you to take every effort to avoid confrontations with either, trigger happy, or confused cops.
All that as it may be, I claim to be on the side of the law enforcement people....... maybe not on the side of the militant ones or the confused ones,.
Thank you for your kind words, Icarus. There was a time when I had regular interactions with police in their official capacity. The nature of my life was such that intermittent encounters with them were to be expected. Politeness and compliance are all well and good, but I recognised even then that having a northern European complexion makes a significant difference.
These days, I have little to do with police, and intend to keep it that way.
It is sad that people put themselves in danger by resisting the arrests. It is also sad that the lady cop grabbed a gun instead of a taser. I attribute that to being too much in a rush to stop the criminal. Mistakes happen.
At this point I will listen to the explanation from the veteran lady cop.
She made a monumental mistake but the situational conditions go farther than that. She had the guys license number, his home address, and knew about his minor rap sheet. It was not like he was a sought after axe murderer. Why not let him escape? Not release him from arrest, but simply, hands off, allow him to go home or wherever? It would have been easy to pick the guy up later if there was reasonable cause. A vehicle violation gone very bad.
That was a situation that surely need not have escalated toward the use of firearms, maybe not even worth firing the "intended" laser. The victim was a small time perp who was driving with an expired license tag...............now he is no longer with us.
I want to side with the lady cop but it is a stretch to do so. The guy is dead and she is for all practical purposes career dead. There may be more to this story...............we will see as time goes by.
Quote from: Icarus on April 16, 2021, 12:03:02 AM
I want to side with the lady cop but it is a stretch to do so. The guy is dead and she is for all practical purposes career dead. There may be more to this story...............we will see as time goes by.
This has nothing to do with a traffic or vehicle violation. The guy had an outstanding warrant for a robbery. He even threatened to kill his victim. So, we are not talking about a harmless police victim but about a real nasty piece of shit.
Ah, judging and executing a death sentence is OK if some people think the victim is a nasty piece of shit. Can't see anything wrong with letting cops going around killing people and bypassing the justice system. That should result in a very stable and safe society, I'm sure.
Quote from: Davin on April 16, 2021, 03:15:21 PM
Ah, judging and executing a death sentence is OK if some people think the victim is a nasty piece of shit. Can't see anything wrong with letting cops going around killing people and bypassing the justice system. That should result in a very stable and safe society, I'm sure.
The police can only go on the information they have to hand. If the warrant detailed his previous behaviour the cops will be on edge. That's when accidents happen.
Quote from: Davin on April 16, 2021, 03:15:21 PM
Ah, judging and executing a death sentence is OK if some people think the victim is a nasty piece of shit. Can't see anything wrong with letting cops going around killing people and bypassing the justice system. That should result in a very stable and safe society, I'm sure.
The problem with this is that "my kind" are also seen as, "a nasty piece of shit" --for existing. After all, Trump said we come from "Shithole countries, we are rapist, and drug dealers."
And if we committed a crime 25 years ago and paid for our crime to society by spending 3 years in jail, it doesn't matter, don't mourn us when a cop kills us, they will just say, "She wasn't a police victim but a real nasty piece of shit."
Racist cops have been given too much power and they are very happy to abuse it.
--Mother fuckers.
I don't think that it has anything to do with racism. It was an arrest that went bad, because of a stupid mistake. One thing is however sure. If the guy would not have resisted his arrest, he would still be alive.
Quote from: Tom62 on April 16, 2021, 09:02:39 PM
I don't think that it has anything to do with racism.
Um, yes, it has to do with racism. "Dark skin people are dangerous" is their motto.
Quote from: Tom62 on April 16, 2021, 09:02:39 PM
It was an arrest that went bad, because of a stupid mistake. One thing is however sure. If the guy would not have resisted his arrest, he would still be alive.
No, if the cop would not have shot him, he would still be alive. Resisting arrest should not be punishable by death.
Quote from: Tom62 on April 16, 2021, 09:02:39 PM
I don't think that it has anything to do with racism. It was an arrest that went bad, because of a stupid mistake. One thing is however sure. If the guy would not have resisted his arrest, he would still be alive.
Given how many armed white men have resisted arrest and gotten out of it alive (even sometimes been bought lunch), I don't think either of those things can be assumed.
Only the first four minutes are pertinent to this subject, but the rest (on Matt Gaetz) are entertaining too.
Doughnut dollies have allowed bigoted, intolerant, and prejudiced reasoning to flourish for far too long.
Quote from: Magdalena on April 16, 2021, 09:11:56 PM
Quote from: Tom62 on April 16, 2021, 09:02:39 PM
I don't think that it has anything to do with racism.
Um, yes, it has to do with racism. "Dark skin people are dangerous" is their motto.
Quote from: Tom62 on April 16, 2021, 09:02:39 PM
It was an arrest that went bad, because of a stupid mistake. One thing is however sure. If the guy would not have resisted his arrest, he would still be alive.
No, if the cop would not have shot him, he would still be alive. Resisting arrest should not be punishable by death.
Looking at the body camera video it is clear that the female cop realised that she made a terrible mistake. She thought that she used a taser instead of a gun. That is not murder but involuntary manslaughter.
The media will call it differently of course because it doesn't fit their racist and bad white cop narrative. They act like prosecutor, judge and executor all at the same time. This fake narrative already causes loads of havoc on the streets with riots and looting. BTW: What ever happened to "innocent, until proven guilty"?
I agree that people should not be killed for resisting arrest. When that does happen, we need to find out whether the use of force was accidental (what seems to be the case here), justified (when your own life of that of others was in danger) or malicious.
i dont see much ambiguity in an officer killing someone by mistake.
whatever the mans history, he was pulled over for a missing license tag sticker and an air freshener tree hanging from his rearview mirror.
he became afraid, because in the town he lives in, people like him are killed by the police under those circumstances.
and then the police did kill him.
this is why so many black men run from the police and resist them in the first place. they know that the police are likely to kill them, so they run for their lives
Quote from: billy rubin on April 17, 2021, 03:07:34 PM
i dont see much ambiguity in an officer killing someone by mistake.
whatever the mans history, he was pulled over for a missing license tag sticker and an air freshener tree hanging from his rearview mirror.
he became afraid, because in the town he lives in, people like him are killed by the police under those circumstances.
and then the police did kill him.
this is why so many black men run from the police and resist them in the first place. they know that the police are likely to kill them, so they run for their lives
I have to say that that I agree with this assessment.
Quote from: Tom62 on April 17, 2021, 01:42:34 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on April 16, 2021, 09:11:56 PM
Quote from: Tom62 on April 16, 2021, 09:02:39 PM
I don't think that it has anything to do with racism.
Um, yes, it has to do with racism. "Dark skin people are dangerous" is their motto.
Quote from: Tom62 on April 16, 2021, 09:02:39 PM
It was an arrest that went bad, because of a stupid mistake. One thing is however sure. If the guy would not have resisted his arrest, he would still be alive.
No, if the cop would not have shot him, he would still be alive. Resisting arrest should not be punishable by death.
Looking at the body camera video it is clear that the female cop realised that she made a terrible mistake. She thought that she used a taser instead of a gun. That is not murder but involuntary manslaughter.
The media will call it differently of course because it doesn't fit their racist and bad white cop narrative. They act like prosecutor, judge and executor all at the same time. This fake narrative already causes loads of havoc on the streets with riots and looting. BTW: What ever happened to "innocent, until proven guilty"?
I agree that people should not be killed for resisting arrest. When that does happen, we need to find out whether the use of force was accidental (what seems to be the case here), justified (when your own life of that of others was in danger) or malicious.
I hear what you're saying, but maybe the way you see your police officers is different than the way some of us see the cops here.
The cops are supposed to serve and protect, not murder or commit involuntary manslaughter.
The media reporting the cop's abusive behavior is not a bad thing. They need to be exposed because no one is policing them.
"BTW: What ever happened to "innocent, until proven guilty"?"
Yes, the police officer will have their day in court, it would be nice if they gave the people they kill the same chance.
You posted this video:
Quote from: Tom62 on March 27, 2021, 08:57:14 PM
Great TV commercial from Denmark
I don't see any black people in the video. Maybe this is why we see things a little different.
Well, Daunte Wright was afraid of going to going back to jail, because there was an outstanding arrest warrant for him. The media narrative that he was a harmless, innocent black young man is therefore incorrect. So he decided to take his chances and make a run for it. Was a that a good idea? I don't think so. It might sounds like a cool thing nowadays but this risks are just too high.
Yes, the cop situation here in Germany is a bit different. The police doesn't have to deal with the constant daily threat of being killed. There are not so many guns hanging around here and it is very difficult to obtain a license. We also have a 5 times lower crime rate per capita than the USA and I believe that our police is better trained to handle certain crisis situations. In general they try to use non lethal force stop instead of kill people. When they do kill someone (approx. 8-10 people per year) then there will be only be major uproar, if the person killed is non-white.
Quote from: Tom62 on April 18, 2021, 07:05:51 AM
Well, Daunte Wright was afraid of going to going back to jail, because there was an outstanding arrest warrant for him. The media narrative that he was a harmless, innocent black young man is therefore incorrect.
I could have a warrant for my arrest if I fail to pay parking tickets, appear in cour, or pay a fine, that doesn't make me
automatically a "violent minority." So, the cops' narrative that he was a dangerous, and utomatically guilty black young man, enough to kill him or tase him, is therefore incorrect as well.
IMHO.
Quote from: Tom62 on April 18, 2021, 07:05:51 AM
So he decided to take his chances and make a run for it. Was a that a good idea? I don't think so. It might sounds like a cool thing nowadays but this risks are just too high.
I highly doubt he ran to be cool.
Quote from: Tom62 on April 18, 2021, 07:05:51 AM
Yes, the cop situation here in Germany is a bit different. The police doesn't have to deal with the constant daily threat of being killed. There are not so many guns hanging around here and it is very difficult to obtain a license. We also have a 5 times lower crime rate per capita than the USA and I believe that our police is better trained to handle certain crisis situations. In general they try to use non lethal force stop instead of kill people. When they do kill someone (approx. 8-10 people per year) then there will be only be major uproar, if the person killed is non-white.
I wonder why.
Maybe they should've included non-white people in the video and ask, "Who here has been discriminated because of the color of their skin?"
:shrug:
when you are running away from anyone, you are legally no longer considered to be a threat. as well as by common sense.
unless you are runnin*towards* someone, or to retrieve a weapon you are going to use, it is illegal to shoot you.
this is true both for cops and for citizens using a gun in self defense. restraint is legal, not killing.
the cop clearly made a deadly mistake. this is legally manslaughter, at the least.
People of color especially the varying degrees of brown face a battle that those who are not can never fully appreciate.
From Full Metal Jacket:
Neo-Nazi bootboys
That the cops never seem to arrest
I was once arrested for simply walking down the street, because of the way I look.
I was once yanked out of my car, and practically strip searched on the side of the road because of the way that I look.
I know that cops are only human, they make mistakes, sometimes those mistakes are deadly. Deadly mistakes happen every day, in hospitals, in the workplace, on the streets. In these cases, even though it's an honest mistake, and there wasn't any intended ill will, the "guilty" party is still held accountable.
I saw a post where an idea that cops have some sort of malpractice insurance, which I thought was a worthwhile idea. Even in accidental incidents, there should be some form of accountability.
In case you're wondering
https://youtu.be/KJMP0FEz51U
This is thread that has become delicate, or worse, for one of our cherished members. The fact is that not many of us have ever walked around in a skin that was not white. We cannot comprehend the abuse that those "others" have endured, that they are so often regarded as less worthy mortals.
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Quote from: Icarus on April 20, 2021, 02:24:24 AM
This is thread that has become delicate, or worse, for one of our cherished members. The fact is that not many of us have ever walked around in a skin that was not white. We cannot comprehend the abuse that those "others" have endured, that they are so often regarded as less worthy mortals.
Very, very well said.
It remains to be seen how it goes on appeal. After taking in more of the testimony than was good for me, I concur with the decision of the jury. As an AP story from last month (https://apnews.com/article/race-and-ethnicity-shootings-trials-death-of-george-floyd-racial-injustice-d89d8aa796d203681a04bef0c1ca5fe7) pointed out
*, the issue of looming protests and the possibility that they've influenced the jury's decision has lead to verdicts being overturned in the recent past. I prefer to doubt that will happen in this case.
*Quote from: APA U.S. appeals court in 1999 vacated white Detroit police officer Larry Nevers' conviction in the beating death of a Black motorist, even though evidence against him seemed strong. The court noted how at least one juror heard that the National Guard was on standby in case Nevers was acquitted and violence ensued.
"The Court cannot imagine a more prejudicial extraneous influence than that of a juror discovering that the City he or she resides in is bracing for a riot," it said. It added that letting the conviction stand would send the wrong message that rights to an impartial jury "do not extend to an obviously guilty defendant."
Similarly, an appeals court in Florida tossed the conviction and ordered a new trial for a plain-clothed Hispanic officer, William Lozano, who fatally shot Black motorcyclist Clement Lloyd in 1989 as Lloyd sought to elude a patrol car trying to stop him for a traffic violation. A passenger on the motorcycle, Allan Blanchard, who was also Black, died in the resulting crash. Protests erupted in Miami.
At the 1991 trial in Miami, jurors found Lozano guilty of manslaughter. The appellate ruling months later that overturned the conviction highlighted how some jurors admitted they feared an acquittal would renew protests.
"We simply cannot approve," the court said, "the result of a trial conducted ... in an atmosphere in which the entire community — including the jury — was so obviously (and) justifiably concerned with the dangers which would follow an acquittal."
At his 1993 retrial in Orlando, more than 200 miles from Miami, Lozano was acquitted.
[Link to full article. (https://apnews.com/article/race-and-ethnicity-shootings-trials-death-of-george-floyd-racial-injustice-d89d8aa796d203681a04bef0c1ca5fe7)]
Noting the dates there, and the history they speak to. Particular cases from recent decades, evoking a pattern that extends back centuries.
I find it difficult to understand how anyone, white supremacists included, want a police force that can abuse their power, take away the rights of citizens, and kill without any accountability.
And yes, I hope that the ruling is not overturned.
I agree. The police should not be "above" the law and abuse its powers.
the appeal is going to be difficult.
california representative maxine waters went to minnesota and went on the news threatening street protests if chauvin were not convicted.
in the past, the threat of public protests has allowed convictions like this to be overturned, because the defense asserted that the threat of public unrest influenced the jury to convict.
if waters had just kept her mouth shut until after the trial, then chauvin's lawyers would have nothing to use. but she's not good at that, and because of her, chauvin may go free.
Agree that Waters should have kept her mouth shut, but unless they can show that this actually affected the verdict, I don't think it will cause the verdict to be overturned. I hope.
that defense has been used successfully several times, in recent cases where a cop was obviously guilty of excessive force.
its up in the air again.
Why does Maxine Waters comments have anything to do with the outcome or resolution of the trail? Why should she have any more influence on the results of the outcome of the trial than i do, or you do ? Waters got her mouth engaged before her brain was in charge. She is/was presumably a skilled politician. I do tend to agree with her
but not if it infers violence of any sort. But then I have never walked a mile in her moccasins.
i think shes right too but if chauvin wins on appeal because of her premature mouth i will be pissed off
Quote from: billy rubin on April 24, 2021, 03:05:51 AM
i think shes right too but if chauvin wins on appeal because of her premature mouth i will be pissed off
Telling a mob to get more confrontational, if they don't get what they want? That is disgusting! This basically means that she thinks it is OK that the BLM/Antifa mob can use violence, destroy the cities, loot, plunder and burn. These are similar tactics as the Nazi's used in the Germany in the 1930's against the Jewish population.
No, Maxine Waters is a deranged old fart, who should apologise and leave politics.
Quote from: Tom62 on April 24, 2021, 04:51:30 PM
Quote from: billy rubin on April 24, 2021, 03:05:51 AM
i think shes right too but if chauvin wins on appeal because of her premature mouth i will be pissed off
Telling a mob to get more confrontational, if they don't get what they want? That is disgusting!
We had to hear Trump tell his crowd to get confrontational if they don't get what they want for four fucking years.
That was even more disgusting!
Quote from: Tom62 on April 24, 2021, 04:51:30 PM
This basically means that she thinks it is OK that the BLM/Antifa mob can use violence, destroy the cities, loot, plunder and burn. These are similar tactics as the Nazi's used in the Germany in the 1930's against the Jewish population.
This basically means that Trump/and all the racist mother fuckers also think it is OK that the Proud Boys/Facist mob can use violence, run over people during a protest, take the Capitol, etc, if they don't get what they want.
Quote from: Tom62 on April 24, 2021, 04:51:30 PM
No, Maxine Waters is a deranged old fart, who should apologise and leave politics.
Trump is also a deranged old fart, who should apologise and leave this planet.
When minorities get tired of injustices and fight back for their right to live--verbally, they are compared to the tactics Nazi's used in Germany in the 1930's?
Wow.
well the fact that the murdering bastard got convicted on all three counts is a plus for western civilization. if the conviction sticks it will be a huge step in the right direction. its way past time for american cops to have to consider that they no longer have the authority to kill with impunity.
chauvin's murder was an especially bad case, because he knew what he was doing and didn't let up in the middle of a crowd of people telling him he was killing a man. i don't think he intended for floyd to die, but the important part is that he didn't care whether he did or not.
Quote from: billy rubin on April 25, 2021, 12:43:43 AM
... i don't think he intended for floyd to die, but the important part is that he didn't care whether he did or not.
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That, is
The important part. That should be the main thing when they are supposed to: "Protect, (life...everyone's) and to serve, everyone, not just some certain people's interests."
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Quote from: Magdalena on April 24, 2021, 09:03:56 PM
Quote from: Tom62 on April 24, 2021, 04:51:30 PM
Telling a mob to get more confrontational, if they don't get what they want? That is disgusting!
We had to hear Trump tell his crowd to get confrontational if they don't get what they want for four fucking years.
That was even more disgusting!
That has nothing to do with this particular case. But yes, Trump was also in the wrong. At least he asked his mob to be peaceful. That is unlike Waters, who wanted to see more violence and destruction. At the elections she also told people to harass Trump's followers. So, I think Waters calls for violence is at least as disgusting as Trump's but probably more.
How can the Democrats keep such a hate monger in their party and why are they such hypocrites (seeing only right violence but sweeping left violence under the rug)?
Quote from: Magdalena on April 24, 2021, 09:03:56 PM
Quote from: Tom62 on April 24, 2021, 04:51:30 PM
This basically means that she thinks it is OK that the BLM/Antifa mob can use violence, destroy the cities, loot, plunder and burn. These are similar tactics as the Nazi's used in the Germany in the 1930's against the Jewish population.
This basically means that Trump/and all the racist mother fuckers also think it is OK that the Proud Boys/Facist mob can use violence, run over people during a protest, take the Capitol, etc, if they don't get what they want.
You are moving the goalposts again. Trump cannot be hold responsible for the long history of bad cops, shooting and harassing people in the USA.
If at all, people like Waters should be blamed. She is part of the system for many decades. She and her husband profited from that system quite a lot, unlike the people she is supposed to govern. Also, anyone who opposed the left is nowadays a racist or a fascist. These labels have no longer any meaning.
Finally, two wrongs don't make one right.
Quote from: Magdalena on April 24, 2021, 09:03:56 PM
When minorities get tired of injustices and fight back for their right to live--verbally, they are compared to the tactics Nazi's used in Germany in the 1930's?
Wow.
Yes, if they use violence, destruction and oppression they indeed cross that line. Mob rule is ugly, evil and hurts the cause. Yes, we want less bad cops. But no one, in their right minds, wants (again) entire (black) neighbourhoods being destroyed for many months to come. So, whenever Democratic leaders make any suggestions that violence is allowed then I suggest that their mob destroy their own rich neighbourhoods. I bet that they'll call the police immediately.
Quote from: Tom62 on April 25, 2021, 07:49:08 AM
Quote from: Magdalena on April 24, 2021, 09:03:56 PM
Quote from: Tom62 on April 24, 2021, 04:51:30 PM
Telling a mob to get more confrontational, if they don't get what they want? That is disgusting!
We had to hear Trump tell his crowd to get confrontational if they don't get what they want for four fucking years.
That was even more disgusting!
That has nothing to do with this particular case. But yes, Trump was also in the wrong. At least he asked his mob to be peaceful. That is unlike Waters, who wanted to see more violence and destruction. At the elections she also told people to harass Trump's followers. So, I think Waters calls for violence is at least as disgusting as Trump's but probably more.
How can the Democrats keep such a hate monger in their party and why are they such hypocrites (seeing only right violence but sweeping left violence under the rug)?
Quote from: Magdalena on April 24, 2021, 09:03:56 PM
Quote from: Tom62 on April 24, 2021, 04:51:30 PM
This basically means that she thinks it is OK that the BLM/Antifa mob can use violence, destroy the cities, loot, plunder and burn. These are similar tactics as the Nazi's used in the Germany in the 1930's against the Jewish population.
This basically means that Trump/and all the racist mother fuckers also think it is OK that the Proud Boys/Facist mob can use violence, run over people during a protest, take the Capitol, etc, if they don't get what they want.
You are moving the goalposts again. Trump cannot be hold responsible for the long history of bad cops, shooting and harassing people in the USA.
If at all, people like Waters should be blamed. She is part of the system for many decades. She and her husband profited from that system quite a lot, unlike the people she is supposed to govern. Also, anyone who opposed the left is nowadays a racist or a fascist. These labels have no longer any meaning.
Finally, two wrongs don't make one right.
Quote from: Magdalena on April 24, 2021, 09:03:56 PM
When minorities get tired of injustices and fight back for their right to live--verbally, they are compared to the tactics Nazi's used in Germany in the 1930's?
Wow.
Yes, if they use violence, destruction and oppression they indeed cross that line. Mob rule is ugly, evil and hurts the cause. Yes, we want less bad cops. But no one, in their right minds, wants (again) entire (black) neighbourhoods being destroyed for many months to come. So, whenever Democratic leaders make any suggestions that violence is allowed then I suggest that their mob destroy their own rich neighbourhoods. I bet that they'll call the police immediately.
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I've heard enough.
Quote from: Tom62 on April 25, 2021, 07:49:08 AM
Quote from: Magdalena on April 24, 2021, 09:03:56 PM
Quote from: Tom62 on April 24, 2021, 04:51:30 PM
Telling a mob to get more confrontational, if they don't get what they want? That is disgusting!
We had to hear Trump tell his crowd to get confrontational if they don't get what they want for four fucking years.
That was even more disgusting!
That has nothing to do with this particular case. But yes, Trump was also in the wrong. At least he asked his mob to be peaceful. That is unlike Waters, who wanted to see more violence and destruction. At the elections she also told people to harass Trump's followers. So, I think Waters calls for violence is at least as disgusting as Trump's but probably more.
How can the Democrats keep such a hate monger in their party and why are they such hypocrites (seeing only right violence but sweeping left violence under the rug)?
To be clear, Trump asked his mob to be peaceful exactly one times, while the rest of it was talking about taking things back, marching on the capital, fighting, and war. All mentioned far more times than the one peaceful comment. It's odd that the one mention of peace outweighs the entire rest of the rhetoric for you, maybe you need to see why you're biased that way.
Quote from: Tom62
Quote from: Magdalena on April 24, 2021, 09:03:56 PM
Quote from: Tom62 on April 24, 2021, 04:51:30 PM
This basically means that she thinks it is OK that the BLM/Antifa mob can use violence, destroy the cities, loot, plunder and burn. These are similar tactics as the Nazi's used in the Germany in the 1930's against the Jewish population.
This basically means that Trump/and all the racist mother fuckers also think it is OK that the Proud Boys/Facist mob can use violence, run over people during a protest, take the Capitol, etc, if they don't get what they want.
You are moving the goalposts again. Trump cannot be hold responsible for the long history of bad cops, shooting and harassing people in the USA.
Trump changed the DOJ policy of overseeing police departments that Obama had instated, so while he can't be held for the long history, it would be niave to not hold him responsible for his part and the increase in police behaving badly in the four years he was in power.
Quote from: Tom62
If at all, people like Waters should be blamed. She is part of the system for many decades. She and her husband profited from that system quite a lot, unlike the people she is supposed to govern. Also, anyone who opposed the left is nowadays a racist or a fascist. These labels have no longer any meaning.
Sure there are some crazy people, but in general, most of the people that oppose the left nowadays are racist and fascist, I mean the talking heads and leaders, and only basing the judgment on what they themselves say and do that tends to be racist and fascist. It's like people can't accurately describe a person these days without being criticized for taking away the meaning of the terms. And also... I mean, you did just compare someone speaking against racism and injustice to Nazis. So you don't exactly have a leg to stand on trying to decry people for removing the meaning of labels.
Quote from: Tom62
Finally, two wrongs don't make one right.
Neither do all the wrongs committed by the police every day.
Quote from: Tom62
Quote from: Magdalena on April 24, 2021, 09:03:56 PM
When minorities get tired of injustices and fight back for their right to live--verbally, they are compared to the tactics Nazi's used in Germany in the 1930's?
Wow.
Yes, if they use violence, destruction and oppression they indeed cross that line. Mob rule is ugly, evil and hurts the cause. Yes, we want less bad cops. But no one, in their right minds, wants (again) entire (black) neighbourhoods being destroyed for many months to come. So, whenever Democratic leaders make any suggestions that violence is allowed then I suggest that their mob destroy their own rich neighbourhoods. I bet that they'll call the police immediately.
"[...]if they use violence, destruction and oppression they indeed cross that line."
Like the police are doing every day, got it. The Police are exactly like Nazi Germany according to your metrics. Excellent work. That surely doesn't make the term "Nazi" less meaningful...
When a democrat says, "get more confrontational." it's suggesting violence is OK. But when Trump talks for an hour about marching on the capital and fighting and taking control and war, but says "peaceful" exactly once, it's just fine. I think this is a clear textbook example of bias. So thank you for that, this is exactly what an irrational bias looks like.