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General => Politics => Topic started by: Firebird on October 23, 2019, 11:55:29 PM

Title: So about Brexit?
Post by: Firebird on October 23, 2019, 11:55:29 PM
Kinda surprised I'm not seeing more discussion about it here. How's everyone feeling? What the fuck is going to happen??
I liked this quote from Roger Cohen of the New York Times about the possibility of a second referendum:

QuoteAs a British friend wrote me recently, "I'm just saying if I narrowly decided to order fish at a restaurant that was known for chicken, but said it was happy to offer fish, and so far I've been waiting three hours, and two chefs who promised to cook the fish had quit, and the third one is promising to deliver the fish in the next five minutes whether it's cooked or not, or indeed still alive, and all the waiting staff have spent the last few hours arguing about whether I wanted battered cod, grilled salmon, jellied eels or dolphin kebabs, and if large parts of the restaurant appeared to be on fire but no one was paying attention to it because they were all arguing about fish, I would quite like, just once, to be asked if I definitely still wanted fish."
Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: Siz on October 24, 2019, 12:37:08 AM
Aaaand there it is - my last Brexit-free safe-space contaminated.

Fucking sick of it. Pleeeaaase, someone, make it stop...😫
Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: Firebird on October 24, 2019, 04:35:35 AM
Sorry!  :daisies:
Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: Tank on October 24, 2019, 06:38:43 AM
The largest clusterfuck in UK history that did not involve a war.
Although one Brexit nutter killed a Remain MP.
Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: Siz on October 24, 2019, 01:54:06 PM
Quote from: Tank on October 24, 2019, 06:38:43 AM
The largest clusterfuck in UK history that did not involve a war.
Although one Brexit nutter killed a Remain MP.

What makes you think this wasn't part of the Russian long-game?

Not men-in-the-trenches war, but war nonetheless.

Can I take my foil hat off now?
Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: Tank on October 24, 2019, 02:13:26 PM
Quote from: Siz on October 24, 2019, 01:54:06 PM
Quote from: Tank on October 24, 2019, 06:38:43 AM
The largest clusterfuck in UK history that did not involve a war.
Although one Brexit nutter killed a Remain MP.

What makes you think this wasn't part of the Russian long-game?

Not men-in-the-trenches war, but war nonetheless.

Can I take my foil hat off now?

I mean a war where people are killed.
Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: Firebird on October 24, 2019, 03:10:30 PM
Quote from: Tank on October 24, 2019, 02:13:26 PM
Quote from: Siz on October 24, 2019, 01:54:06 PM
Quote from: Tank on October 24, 2019, 06:38:43 AM
The largest clusterfuck in UK history that did not involve a war.
Although one Brexit nutter killed a Remain MP.

What makes you think this wasn't part of the Russian long-game?

Not men-in-the-trenches war, but war nonetheless.

Can I take my foil hat off now?

I mean a war where people are killed.

I don't think that's so tin-foil hat from where I'm standing in the US.
Mostly I'm trying to make sense of the various political forces over in the UK. It seems insane to me that anyone is still in favor of this madness, but clearly there's a strong contingency that is, even if it means no deal, as shown by the new Brexit party. For example, what the hell is Jeremy Corbyn doing? Why is Labour basically waffling and trying to play both sides rather than just come out strongly against Brexit? Are they just scared of a backlash?
Would a second referendum really still win for leaving the EU?
Help a political geek out.
Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: billy rubin on October 24, 2019, 06:03:52 PM
i love the brexit drama.

it reassures me to know that america is not the only place where politics is looney.
Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on October 24, 2019, 07:17:00 PM
Quote from: billy rubin on October 24, 2019, 06:03:52 PM
i love the brexit drama.

it reassures me to know that america is not the only place where politics is looney.

Exactly. Except that Putin is rubbing his hands with glee.  The whole USA/UK/Western Europe alliance is falling apart.  Soon they will be inviting him back into Poland and Hungary. 
Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: Tom62 on October 25, 2019, 04:15:23 AM
The following joke is going around in Germany on Facebook.

In the year 2068 planet Earth joins the Galactic Federation
And the UK is still trying to leave the EU
Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: Tank on October 25, 2019, 08:35:59 AM
Quote from: Tom62 on October 25, 2019, 04:15:23 AM
The following joke is going around in Germany on Facebook.

In the year 2068 planet Earth joins the Galactic Federation
And the UK is still trying to leave the EU

I'm sooooo using that!!!!
Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on October 25, 2019, 05:09:53 PM
It's nuts to leave the EU. Just like it was nuts for the South to leave the Union over here.  There is more strength in unity, and when nations/states start separating, that allows other forces to move into the void.  As one from a state that once separated, my advice is "don't do it", but it may be too late. 
Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: Siz on October 26, 2019, 01:42:23 AM
Quote from: Firebird on October 24, 2019, 03:10:30 PM

I don't think that's so tin-foil hat from where I'm standing in the US.
Mostly I'm trying to make sense of the various political forces over in the UK. It seems insane to me that anyone is still in favor of this madness, but clearly there's a strong contingency that is, even if it means no deal, as shown by the new Brexit party. For example, what the hell is Jeremy Corbyn doing? Why is Labour basically waffling and trying to play both sides rather than just come out strongly against Brexit? Are they just scared of a backlash?
Would a second referendum really still win for leaving the EU?
Help a political geek out.
My working hypothesis is that that the british public have been duped into believing that their current financial discomfort is as a result of EU policy. And they keep voting domestically for the very people that maintain the upward flow of money. On a personal level, I've never worked so hard for so little benefit while all of my public services are going to shit. It isn't the fault of immigrants or dole scroungers or EU bureaucracy as the govenment and media would have you believe, its the policy makers of my own government stealing from me.
And as for Corbyn, the problem is that by taking a firm stance either side of the fence is to alienate half (almost exactly half) of his electorate. Too big a price to pay...

However, this (admittedly somewhat biassed) article struck a chord with me:
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/facebook-comment-jeremy-corbyn-going-viral/31/05/ (https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/facebook-comment-jeremy-corbyn-going-viral/31/05/)

A second referendum is not a real solution either in terms of uniting the country. I do believe that, if put to the people again, we would end up remaining. The problem with that is that the Brexiters will - quite understandably - then call for best of three.
Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: Bad Penny II on October 26, 2019, 02:00:24 AM
I find the claim that to have another vote would be undemocratic a bit odd.
The electorate would have to be a lot better informed now.
When we had a referendum to dump the queen and become a republic we voted for a particular model.
Wouldn't it have been better to have come up with a model, checked the EU was OK with it and then voted on it?
Well this is the kind of problem you get when you have land border, I recommend to everyone, situate your country on its own island.
Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: Siz on October 26, 2019, 02:23:07 AM
Quote from: Bad Penny II on October 26, 2019, 02:00:24 AM
I find the claim that to have another vote would be undemocratic a bit odd.
The electorate would have to be a lot better informed now.
Indeed and yes (respectively). Although "informed" requires head extraction from arses to be actionable.

Democracy is a process, not an event - (my new favorite intelligent-sounding buzz-phrase)
Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: jumbojak on October 26, 2019, 03:15:07 AM
You seem to be adding to the contamination of your safe space Siz. Tsk, tsk.
Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: Siz on October 26, 2019, 03:23:14 AM
Quote from: jumbojak on October 26, 2019, 03:15:07 AM
You seem to be adding to the contamination of your safe space Siz. Tsk, tsk.

Yeah, that damned ulcer you cant stop tonguing.
Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: jumbojak on October 26, 2019, 03:28:00 AM
Do what I did, say fuck it and stop paying attention. It's liberating.
Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: Siz on October 26, 2019, 07:56:26 AM
Quote from: jumbojak on October 26, 2019, 03:28:00 AM
Do what I did, say fuck it and stop paying attention. It's liberating.
I hear ya!
But its compulsive - a soap opera played out in the news every night. Things are happening all the time (without, of course, anything actually happening).
Then there's 'Brexitcast' which is a few respected reporters on the BBC discussing the day's events.
It's an addiction, from which HAF gave a little light relief.

...And then FB came in and unfolded a fat wrap of H...
Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: Siz on October 27, 2019, 08:10:22 AM
(https://i.redd.it/u0aamapp31131.jpg)
Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: Tank on October 27, 2019, 08:58:55 AM
The really sad thing about Brexit is that it has shown just how basically incompetent and incapable our system of government is.
Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: hermes2015 on October 27, 2019, 09:27:19 AM
Quote from: Siz on October 27, 2019, 08:10:22 AM
(https://i.redd.it/u0aamapp31131.jpg)

Is that by R. Crumb?
Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: Siz on October 27, 2019, 05:06:39 PM
No, it was by me.

Don't know who drew it though.
Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: jumbojak on October 27, 2019, 10:38:12 PM
Quote from: Siz on October 27, 2019, 08:10:22 AM
(https://i.redd.it/u0aamapp31131.jpg)

Since when are you a Labour supporter Siz...?

Guys, GUYS, I think that the real Siz is dead and we have an imposter on our hands!
Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: Siz on October 27, 2019, 11:36:43 PM
I don't need to be a Labour supporter because I dislike the Conservatives. Ours isn't a two-party system.

But I did realise that there is no future in conservative capitalism.... Or any capitalism.

I'm all about Universal Basic Income. A socialist of sorts. Looking for a future I'd be happy for my kids to live in.

I blame HAF for sewing the seed.  And a diet of transhumanist reading for shedding light on the bigger picture.

Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: jumbojak on October 28, 2019, 12:10:42 AM
 :thinking: Sounds like Six... Looks like Siz... Proper grammar... Correct sentence structure... :thinking:

Everyone, he's alive and he changed!
Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: Siz on October 28, 2019, 12:58:25 AM
Quote from: jumbojak on October 28, 2019, 12:10:42 AM
:thinking: Sounds like Six... Looks like Siz... Proper grammar... Correct sentence structure... :thinking:

Everyone, he's alive and he changed!
A beautiful new me!
...But you're all still wrong, and I'm still right, so nothing's really changed!

And bless-you for noticing my English. I do like to make an effort. Albeit from an American, you have just validated a lifetime in pursuit of grammatical integrity. Mostly.
Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: jumbojak on October 28, 2019, 01:27:12 AM
You do alright for a Franco-Anglo-American from London. I don't even try anymore.
Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: Siz on October 28, 2019, 01:42:23 AM
Quote from: jumbojak on October 28, 2019, 01:27:12 AM
You do alright for a Franco-Anglo-American from London. I don't even try anymore.
I'd be incensed by your impudence were I not so impressed by your memory.

Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: jumbojak on October 28, 2019, 02:33:07 AM
A memory like mine is a terrible curse.
Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: Siz on October 28, 2019, 07:48:40 AM
Quote from: jumbojak on October 28, 2019, 02:33:07 AM
A memory like mine is a terrible curse.
You may be right, but the alternative is pretty uncomfortable, I assure you.
Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: xSilverPhinx on October 29, 2019, 11:47:37 PM
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Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: billy rubin on January 28, 2020, 03:00:33 PM
hey brits

the only thing thatgives me relief from the comedic tragedy of american politics is looking at 6you guys trying to deal with brexit.

youve got like three days to go until its 1972 again.

whats the plan?
Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: Tank on January 28, 2020, 03:42:55 PM
Quote from: billy rubin on January 28, 2020, 03:00:33 PM
hey brits

the only thing thatgives me relief from the comedic tragedy of american politics is looking at 6you guys trying to deal with brexit.

youve got like three days to go until its 1972 again.

whats the plan?

No idea.
Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: Siz on January 30, 2020, 12:02:55 PM
Well, we've broken the eggs, now let's see the how omelette tastes...
Not sure I trust the chefs!
Title: Re: So about Brexit?
Post by: Tank on January 30, 2020, 12:10:05 PM
Did you see Farages face when they cut his microphone off yesterday? Like a toad who had swallowed a wasp  ;D